Nov JUDDD / Alternate Day (We can do hard things!)

[CrystalPistol]

Originally Posted by Redeemed

CrystalPistol: Love your avatar. Hope JUDDD is going well for you.

TYVM! I'll need to change it soon since Halloween is almost forgotten. As far as JUDDD goes, I've been winging it instead of being accurate. For that, I have been staying steady. I would (obviously) prefer to lose some poundage before heading to HCG next month, however. Time to get serious. It's a DD for me today and I'm feeling good. Skipping lunch today due to work/home schedules. I decided to try to do lowcarb DDs because that's done me well in the past.

Hmm, changing my mind about trying those noodles. I am inclined to get me a spaghetti squash sometime soon, tho.

[BillB]

Hey everybody,

UD for me...nice to have my appetite suppressed. I tried a new recipe today, don't know if it is original or not--it's sort of my version of a shrimp salad I've had at a Peruvian restaurant, it's a basic shrimp salad served over a sliced fresh avocado (at the restaurant).

I found 4 oz packs of frozen salad shrimp at Food Lion for $.95. Side note, they also have several seafood options in individual servings for under a buck. I will be trying more of them.

I thawed and drained the shrimp (they purged a good bit of water, I did not weigh them after draining).

I mashed 1/4 of a smallish avocado and blended with 1/2 T. mayonnaise (might try ranch next time) and a squeeze of lemon.

I chopped some celery (about 2/3 cup) and onion (about an ounce) and mixed the chopped veggies with the shrimp, stirred in the avocado dressing and left in the fridge overnight. I sprinkled with sea salt and fresh ground pepper before I ate it. It was very tasty and filling. I get conflicting data about the calories in the avocado, but it was a cheap, tasty and easy meal that I think I could use on a DD. It's also tasty enough to eat on UDs as well.



Hope everyone is having a great day!

--bill

[Leo41]

Crystal-

I'm just curious about why you chose JUDDD for your time off HCG rather than standard low carb. The reason I'm asking is that the first 2 weeks of DDs is supposed to activate a gene that provides health benefits, but once you go off for a short while, you no longer get that effect. It just seems that JUDDD isn't that beneficial short term.

My own reason for doing JUDDD is that I have such a compromised metabolism that I can't lose unless I eat <1000 cal a day. Trying to do that on a daily basis was so frustrating that I often overate and then stalled. With my UDs on JUDDD, I am able to eat "normally" half the time, and that's been working for me.

[CrystalPistol]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Crystal-

I'm just curious about why you chose JUDDD for your time off HCG rather than standard low carb. The reason I'm asking is that the first 2 weeks of DDs is supposed to activate a gene that provides health benefits, but once you go off for a short while, you no longer get that effect. It just seems that JUDDD isn't that beneficial short term.

My own reason for doing JUDDD is that I have such a compromised metabolism that I can't lose unless I eat <1000 cal a day. Trying to do that on a daily basis was so frustrating that I often overate and then stalled. With my UDs on JUDDD, I am able to eat "normally" half the time, and that's been working for me.

I do think LCing is a great WOE. I did it in 2007 (and followed it up with WW bc I missed carbs terribly) and lost about 50 lbs. After I went off plan for almost a year, I tried LCing again and the results were minimal, if almost non-existent. I also started to feel very restricted again and got incredibly sick of protein. I know it wasn't for lack of creativity, because I had really awesome menus. Anyway, I still haven't gotten past that hurdle as far as LCing completely. Later, I tried restricting calories to the same number each day, and once again.. I wasn't losing much, if any weight.

So I decided to try JUDDD because it was the first WOE I found that didn't mark any particular food as off-limits. It also felt less like "dieting" because every other day is so DOABLE. I realize it was still considered calorie-counting, but there is definitely something about calorie CYCLING that seemed to get the weight off. It did really well. Had I not fallen off the wagon and allowed myself to make every day a UD, who knows where I'd be. I "re-started" that WOE so many times, that I decided to do something dramatic until I felt like I could control myself again. Phew! Sorry for the long story.

-The Endish...

[CrystalPistol]

Originally Posted by BillB

Hey everybody,

UD for me...nice to have my appetite suppressed. I tried a new recipe today, don't know if it is original or not--it's sort of my version of a shrimp salad I've had at a Peruvian restaurant, it's a basic shrimp salad served over a sliced fresh avocado (at the restaurant).

I found 4 oz packs of frozen salad shrimp at Food Lion for $.95. Side note, they also have several seafood options in individual servings for under a buck. I will be trying more of them.

I thawed and drained the shrimp (they purged a good bit of water, I did not weigh them after draining).

I mashed 1/4 of a smallish avocado and blended with 1/2 T. mayonnaise (might try ranch next time) and a squeeze of lemon.

I chopped some celery (about 2/3 cup) and onion (about an ounce) and mixed the chopped veggies with the shrimp, stirred in the avocado dressing and left in the fridge overnight. I sprinkled with sea salt and fresh ground pepper before I ate it. It was very tasty and filling. I get conflicting data about the calories in the avocado, but it was a cheap, tasty and easy meal that I think I could use on a DD. It's also tasty enough to eat on UDs as well.



Hope everyone is having a great day!

--bill

That sounds delish! I loooooove shrimp AND avocado!

[Redeemed]

Crystal: I love speghetti squash. I think I will use them the next time I make chicken noodle soup. After 2 weeks of true JUDDD, the gene S!RT1 is activated. That activates resveratrol in the body I believe. The SIRT1 is supposed to speed metabolism slow the aging process. Maybe you have read the book.

Snaggle: Well, I wish you lived next door! I'd run those 10 packages of noodles I ordered over to your house in break-neck speed.

[CrystalPistol]

Redeemed - I have not read the book, but have done research and your explanation is my understanding of how alternate-day fasting works as well. Activating SIRT1 and metabolic speediness and age-defying whatnot.

[BillB]

A lot of the recipes say that you should stir-fry them (kinda quick, I think) in an asian-ish sauce with some protein and / or veggies. The konjac plant is supposed to be a very healthy food. I don't miss noodles enough to go out of my way to buy the konjac noodles, but I do take glucomannan. I am a supplement junkie.

--bill

[Ilpirata]

Morning... o wait its afternoon LOL. Well I'm home sick today. Just a cold, not the flu. Well I've shed TEN POUNDS of water weight that I gained over a carbocide weekend. Still up a few from my sig weight but getting back down there. UD today.

[BillB]

OK. It's official.

JUDDD controls my appetite like nothing else I have ever experienced.

2 weeks on a LC (mostly VLC) plan, and my calories were edging up bit by bit. AND I WAS HUNGRY THE WHOLE TIME. And my blood glucose was back up to 140-150.

Two DDs later, my BG is down to 110-120, and today (UD) I only had about 1400 cals. A little shy of my protein goal, but...I am not going to eat when I am not hungry.

If it turns out that JUDDD is bad for my pancreas (worried about that) then I will try tweaking it to the point that I can still do it.

OK, that's all for me. Hope everyone is doing well.

Kisha, get better soon.

--bill

[Leo41]

Yea, Bill! JUDDD is good for you! You might want to ask your doctor about that pancreas issue. I see an endocrinologist for my thyroid, and he didn't seem to think that JUDDD would be a problem for his diabetic patients. I don't have another appointment until March, otherwise I'd ask him about the pancreas.

And that shrimp/avocado recipe sounds terrific--those are two of my favorite things.


Crystal-
Thanks for that explanation, and except for the fact that I love low carb eating, our stories are similar. I simply can't keep my calories low enough to lose on anything except JUDDD. And not only can we eat 'normally' every other day, most of us have found JUDDD very forgiving. For example, when I went on vacation last year and had a series of UDs, I was able to lose the vacation weight (2.5 lbs) with just a few DDs the following week. But when I was doing standard low carb, I'd gain 7-8 lbs if I was away for a week (and that was with watching my calories closely), and it would take a couple of months for me to lose that weight. It was so very frustrating.

Kisha-
Hope you feel better soon. Note my comment to Crystal (above). Isn't it nice how quickly JUDDD helps us lose the lbs from those "dietary indiscretions"? You'll be below siggie weight before you know it.

[EmandM]

Bill - that is great news! I found I learned a lot about my eating habits through JUDDD. Fascinating, isn't it?

Kisha - feel better soon! Congrats on losing! You will be back at siggy weight soon!

Redeemed - I have always wanted to try spaghetti squash. Maybe this weekend...

Hi to e/e and Happy Friday-eve!

[EmandM]

Hi all, you will have to refresh my memory and help a co-worker of mine. She wants to try JUDDD and will begin the 2 weeks of 500 calorie DD's. I can't remember if she has to do strict alternate day rotation during the 2 weeks, or if she can do a M/W/F DD's, Sat MD and Tues/Thurs/Sun DD's. Will that work to get the SIRT1 going for her?

TIA!

[Redeemed]

Originally Posted by BillB

A lot of the recipes say that you should stir-fry them (kinda quick, I think) in an asian-ish sauce with some protein and / or veggies. The konjac plant is supposed to be a very healthy food. I don't miss noodles enough to go out of my way to buy the konjac noodles, but I do take glucomannan. I am a supplement junkie.

--bill

Thanks for the advice. The ones I tried yesterday were Tofu. The ones I ordered in the mail are konjac plant. Maybe they are better. I haven't tried them yet. I did boil the tofu noodles quite a long time - maybe that was part of the problem.

[Redeemed]

EmandM: Induction is strict alteration. Always start on a DD and never exceed 500 calories on DD's (per the book). So it's: DD, UP, DD, UP, DD, etc. It is supposed to take two weeks to activate the SIRT1 gene. After induction you can experiment with a Monday, Wed, Friday DD pattern so you can have weekends free for UP Days.

Kisha: Hope you feel better tomorrow.

[Leo41]

EmandM-

I never did strict alternation, so perhaps I never activated the SIRT gene? All I read was 'first two weeks' so I assumed that was a certain number of DDs until the gene was activated. I began from the website, although I later read the book, but I don't recall ever seeing an insistance that one do strict alternation at the beginning.

I've never gone over 500 cal on my M,W,F DDs in 10 months of doing JUDDD so I hope that SIRT got activated at some point. But even if it didn't, I'm happy with JUDDD.

[Jaysma]

Morning & Happy Friday all!

I'm glad to report that yesterday was my 2nd DD since coming back from vacation (& bringing home 7lbs!) and I'm back to my original weight this morning. I think my body is loving JUDDD

Hope everyone has a great weekend!

[Redeemed]

Originally Posted by Leo41

EmandM-

I never did strict alternation, so perhaps I never activated the SIRT gene? All I read was 'first two weeks' so I assumed that was a certain number of DDs until the gene was activated. I began from the website, although I later read the book, but I don't recall ever seeing an insistance that one do strict alternation at the beginning.

I've never gone over 500 cal on my M,W,F DDs in 10 months of doing JUDDD so I hope that SIRT got activated at some point. But even if it didn't, I'm happy with JUDDD.

Dr. Johnson's website seems to indicate strict alternation on induction. I had two copies of the book and gave them both away. It was about a year ago that I read the book - I must of gotten the idea of strict alteration from there. Sorry I can't give you any specific quotes. Maybe I'm wrong?

[nitenurse]

I can get my shiritake noodles off the internet (Konjac). Also have found them in an oriental grocery store. The ones mixed with tofu have some calories, I don't use them. the plain glucomannen ones have none. They really are "chewy", which helps fill me up if a DD is tough. Really rinse them good with water to get the seaweed taste away, then really hot water, just bring to a boil and rest a little in the pan before draining and adding to italian type tomato dishes, have made mock potato salad with them, mostly chicken noodle soup. I think the smaller shapes like angel hair are easier to eat, the large shell ones are more like "rubber bands" in texture.. also helps if you are missing bread. I think those of us that need to chew to make our brains think we've eaten, appreciate the shiritake, that isn't everyone's experience.

[CrystalPistol]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Yea, Bill! JUDDD is good for you! You might want to ask your doctor about that pancreas issue. I see an endocrinologist for my thyroid, and he didn't seem to think that JUDDD would be a problem for his diabetic patients. I don't have another appointment until March, otherwise I'd ask him about the pancreas.

And that shrimp/avocado recipe sounds terrific--those are two of my favorite things.


Crystal-
Thanks for that explanation, and except for the fact that I love low carb eating, our stories are similar. I simply can't keep my calories low enough to lose on anything except JUDDD. And not only can we eat 'normally' every other day, most of us have found JUDDD very forgiving. For example, when I went on vacation last year and had a series of UDs, I was able to lose the vacation weight (2.5 lbs) with just a few DDs the following week. But when I was doing standard low carb, I'd gain 7-8 lbs if I was away for a week (and that was with watching my calories closely), and it would take a couple of months for me to lose that weight. It was so very frustrating.

Agreed! JUDDD was the first WOE where I actually lost weight quickly and almost effortlessly! It will always have a special place in my heart. When I'm at goal, this will most likely be my permanent WOE. I'm actually using it to maintain right now, and it's working PERFECTLY. It's a miracle WOE! And about correcting our indescretions.. AMEN! It would always take me at least a week to fix a fall off the wagon. Not so with JUDDD.. most of the time, it takes just one DD.

Originally Posted by nitenurse

I can get my shiritake noodles off the internet (Konjac). Also have found them in an oriental grocery store. The ones mixed with tofu have some calories, I don't use them. the plain glucomannen ones have none. They really are "chewy", which helps fill me up if a DD is tough. Really rinse them good with water to get the seaweed taste away, then really hot water, just bring to a boil and rest a little in the pan before draining and adding to italian type tomato dishes, have made mock potato salad with them, mostly chicken noodle soup. I think the smaller shapes like angel hair are easier to eat, the large shell ones are more like "rubber bands" in texture.. also helps if you are missing bread. I think those of us that need to chew to make our brains think we've eaten, appreciate the shiritake, that isn't everyone's experience.

Thank you very much for that info! I'm curious enough that I think I will still try them with your suggestions.

[Redeemed]

I may try the konjac shirataki when they arrive. My understanding about the konjac is that their presentation is not as aesthetic as the tofu, but have a better "mouth-feel". If I don't like them, Snaggle: may be getting a free Christmas present in the mail. Just kidding, my DH will eat anything, maybe even those.

[Leo41]

Redeemed--You may be right about the strict alternation during Induction on JUDDD, but I just wanted to point out that if it's necessary, I didn't do it. But I really didn't catch that on the website, just the importance of the calorie limit on DDs.

As long as I can lose with this WOE, I'm not very worried about what genes are or are not activated because my body is so screwy that even if I did it perfectly, it might not work for me.

Can you tell I'm depressed because I'm in the middle of a tough DD?
I just keep telling myself that I've done this before and can do it again, etc.

[nitenurse]

I'm wrestling with my DD this time, too, didn't eat much on my UD yesterday, don't quite know how that affects the next day, but it seems to, in my life. I need to get busy with something. later.

[EmandM]

Thanks for the responses, Leo and Redeemed. I will tell my co-worker both replies and she can decide. I am pretty sure when I started JUDDD I had fixed DD's and didn't do true alternation either. Leo, I would hope the SIRT1 was activated for both our sakes! lol

[Redeemed]

I contacted another website that does JUDDD and calls themselves "Friends of Dr. Johnson." I believe he has contact with the thread team leader. I posted a question on a thread regarding induction as it was intended to be followed. I'll post their response when I get one.

[EmandM]

Originally Posted by Redeemed

I contacted another website that does JUDDD and calls themselves "Friends of Dr. Johnson." I believe he has contact with the thread team leader. I posted a question on a thread regarding induction as it was intended to be followed. I'll post their response when I get one.

That's great! Thanks so much!

[BillB]

I don't want to rub it in, but I am having an easy DD....but....

I am having a mega-stressful day with my dad, who's being mean to my mom and basically unreasonable about everything. I know it isn't exactly his fault--Alzheimer's is no fun for anyone--but it doesn't make his behavior any easier to tolerate.

I think I am clinging to JUDDD and DDs in particular, because I have a feeling of control. (Isn't that a symptom of anorexia?) I never thought of myself as much of a control freak, but maybe I am a little. But, when I served my demanding diabetic dad his blueberry cobbler earlier, I had no desire to eat any of it. (Well, maybe I would eat a few delicious raw blueberries if they were in front of me).

Blood sugar around 115 all day today...so much better.



--bill

[Redeemed]

Okay, here is how "Bug" the team leader from Friends of Dr. Johnson, responded to my question about how to do induction:


"You can do MWF as down days, Sat as up, Sun as medium. Not up but more than down. Mid way so to speak. Welcome!"

My screenname over there is MinnesotaLady, if you want to read my post.

[Whitlin']

I have only been able to catch up through page 4 and am hoping you all will forgive me as I post without catching up. Bill will understand (as will several others here) that my eldercare responsibilities are keeping me from reading here as much as I’d like.

First, I wanted to come back and say I have stayed on target weight. My highest fluctuation has been just one pound up. Very happy about that.

Second, I wanted to respond to Bill’s concern about BG numbers. I’m happy to read one day’s was back to 120-something and was much better. I notice this was after having been back home for a while. I just wanted to point out further something you already see, Bill, and that is the correlation between BG numbers and eldercare/homelife stress, BUT ALSO the stress one feels when realizing you’re not available (while away). It would not be surprising to me to see that after returning home and acclimating to daily life and eldercare/helping again your numbers would stabilize. Please don’t get pregnant just to steady the numbers. I predict this is not as big a glitch as you might think, and is totally related to the eldercare/stress see-saw we feel between availability and absence.

Grammy Pat asked about my menus on maintenance. I have just about decided that my system wants a large salad a day. I have resisted this for variety’s sake, but have given in. It is just too helpful for digestion to ignore, and gives me a full feeling, a feeling of spending time on a meal. Now in maintenance, I am able to include more avocados in the salads. The almond milk has taken the place of shakes for me – I doubt if I will bother with shakes any more although I still recommend them to others for the first 2 weeks of JUDDD, of course. More things to mention but time runs out.

[EmandM]

Originally Posted by Whitlin'

I have only been able to catch up through page 4 and am hoping you all will forgive me as I post without catching up. Bill will understand (as will several others here) that my eldercare responsibilities are keeping me from reading here as much as I’d like.

First, I wanted to come back and say I have stayed on target weight. My highest fluctuation has been just one pound up. Very happy about that.

Second, I wanted to respond to Bill’s concern about BG numbers. I’m happy to read one day’s was back to 120-something and was much better. I notice this was after having been back home for a while. I just wanted to point out further something you already see, Bill, and that is the correlation between BG numbers and eldercare/homelife stress, BUT ALSO the stress one feels when realizing you’re not available (while away). It would not be surprising to me to see that after returning home and acclimating to daily life and eldercare/helping again your numbers would stabilize. Please don’t get pregnant just to steady the numbers. I predict this is not as big a glitch as you might think, and is totally related to the eldercare/stress see-saw we feel between availability and absence.

Grammy Pat asked about my menus on maintenance. I have just about decided that my system wants a large salad a day. I have resisted this for variety’s sake, but have given in. It is just too helpful for digestion to ignore, and gives me a full feeling, a feeling of spending time on a meal. Now in maintenance, I am able to include more avocados in the salads. The almond milk has taken the place of shakes for me – I doubt if I will bother with shakes any more although I still recommend them to others for the first 2 weeks of JUDDD, of course. More things to mention but time runs out.

Whittlin - how many calories are you taking in on maintenance for your DD's?