Nov JUDDD / Alternate Day (We can do hard things!)

[Hydramatic]

Originally Posted by BillB

I think I forgot to welcome you and Hydramatic, so

I love those screen names, BTW.

--bill

Thanks! Glad to be here.

[Leo41]

Bill-

If HCG can trick your body into believing that you're pregnant, you must have a very dumb body

Seriously, it makes sense that it would be muscle sparing, but I struggle to do 3 DDs a week (and am so proud of myself for accomplishing that) that I really doubt that I could eat only 500 cal for 3 weeks or so. But it's not an issue, as I have such a compromised metabolism that I don't dare do anything like that. I just need to keep JUDDD working.

[cherlyndria77]

Originally Posted by Redeemed

Cherlynda I am planning on making that soup today and wonder how long it will keep in the fridge. I have never used the shirataki noodles. My grocery store carries them, so I will pick some up today. Do they keep well after cooking?

I don't know how well they keep after cooking, sorry - I usually scoff the lot on a dd! I have kept them in their liquid in tupperware in the fridge for about a week and they seem to be fine. They are a very strange noodle, I wouln't recommend eating them on their own, but they are great for soups.
Enjoy xx

[GrammyPat]

I noticed in one of your posts you listed a bison burger as part of your menu for the day? if so, where do you get your bison? there are so many sites out there that sell it...and is it tender or tough because it is so lean? Thanks for the info in advance. Today was supposed to be a DD but turned into an UD; I moved me and my boss at work today. We're now in the executive "fish bowl" - I hate it. Anyway, it's a job and I was "looking for love in all the wrong places" that housed chocolate! Maybe I can do a DD tomorrow and get back on the program, but part of me is saying, hey! don't even try...the stress of moving is enough to deal with...I don't know.

[BillB]

I just got a great response from Jenny...

She thinks that JUDDD might be my problem. I will have to experiment.

--bill

[EmandM]

Bill - there is a lovely lady on these boards by the username of shunsweets. She was on the JUDDD thread and the tweakers, but she had to stop JUDDD'ing (yes, it's a verb lol) due to her bgl's. I bet if you pm'd her she would be able to help you as well. She is a nurse and very knowledgeable and compassionate.

[Leo41]

GrammyPat-

I get my bison at northstarbisondotcom

The North Star products are great, the website is very easy to navigate and order from, and their customer service is excellent.

I don't find it at all tough, but I've been eating grass fed beef for years, and some people find that tough.

I buy tenderloin steaks (like butter!) and lately they have a preformed burger that's so convenient--since it's new, it's been on sale for a while, so it's very reasonable. If I get a roast, it's usually for the crockpot, so I don't know how their more tender ones are. They make a hot dog that I love, except that it's rather salty. It's just 90 cal (and really big), and I used to have them on DDs.

Bill-

That's right--I forgot about Shunsweets having problems with her BG on JUDDD. As I mentioned to you, Dr. J has a warning in his book that the plan might not work for diabetics. But you don't need to worry because if you have to return to just straight low carb, you are so good at controlling your calories that you should have no trouble losing as you have been. And you can stay on this board and chat with us, too!

[BillB]

Originally Posted by EmandM

Bill - there is a lovely lady on these boards by the username of shunsweets. She was on the JUDDD thread and the tweakers, but she had to stop JUDDD'ing (yes, it's a verb lol) due to her bgl's. I bet if you pm'd her she would be able to help you as well. She is a nurse and very knowledgeable and compassionate.

I am familiar with her posts....I will track her down and interrogate her. Thanks for the tip.

--bill

[BillB]

Leo, you totally rule.



--bill

[GrammyPat]

Leo, you DO rule! thank you so much for the info - I just ordered some from them (wish I knew who you were so you could get the referral credit). Good luck with the BG info Bill....please let us know what you find.

OK, am making this a DD - need to get a grip and stop the whining! Got 7 hrs last night with the CPAP and feel pretty good today. Make it a great day for yourselves, everyone!

[Redeemed]

873641qsfmzadxhx.gif Good morning everyone. DD here. The clincher is I go into work tonight from 11PM to 8AM. So, I want to eat as late as possible before leaving for work. It is absolute torture for me to work a night shift on a DD. I'll save all my calories and eat at 9PM and start my UP at 6AM at work. I'll have a sandwich then. I read a post once where someone said you have to go home from the night shift, then sleep, and when you wake up it's the UD. However, it was not necessary for me to do this in the past. I bought all the ingredients for the soup Cherlyndria posted. I noticed the shirataki noodles are made from tofu. Does anyone know if tofu is fermented soy? I may not make this again as I have read soy blocks the conversion of thyroid hormones. Down seven pounds since Saturday. Remind me never to take Prometrium again. Stopped Prometrium Saturday when I started JUDDD. I think the weight loss will slow down now and I'll see actual pounds lost. Alot of excitement at our house with that raccoon who adopted us. I posted about that in the Lounge section of LCF. Have a great day everyone!

[Leo41]

Redeemed-

Yes, tofu is soy, and if you're hypothyroid, you should avoid soy products. My endo says it's OK to have some soy occasionally, but it should not be a regular part of your diet.

If today is a DD, can't you begin your UD at midnight? And then eat during your shift? I really admire you if you can get through today as a DD and then work the night. On a DD, I go to bed as early as I can to get to my UD breakfast.

Today is a DD for me, and I had sardines with my morning coffee. I'm having lunch with a friend (something I avoid on DDs), so this may turn into a MD, although while I was away, I learned that it's possible to eat socially and eat sparingly. I'll see what I can do today.

[Redeemed]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Redeemed-

Yes, tofu is soy, and if you're hypothyroid, you should avoid soy products. My endo says it's OK to have some soy occasionally, but it should not be a regular part of your diet.

If today is a DD, can't you begin your UD at midnight? And then eat during your shift? I really admire you if you can get through today as a DD and then work the night. On a DD, I go to bed as early as I can to get to my UD breakfast.
Today is a DD for me, and I had sardines with my morning coffee. I'm having lunch with a friend (something I avoid on DDs), so this may turn into a MD, although while I was away, I learned that it's possible to eat socially and eat sparingly. I'll see what I can do today.

Yes. I know tofu is soy, but I wanted to know if it was fermented soy. Fermented soy is supposed to be the healthy soy. I could try eating at midnight and see if I still lose. I have lost enough weight for this week anyway. I only have one night shift a week, so maybe I can get buy with doing this. I'm looking forward to trying the soup with the shiritaki noodles. They look just like speghetti. Only 40 calories for a whole pkg. Perhaps once a week wouldn't hurt.

[Redeemed]

I think I found something better for those of us who shouldn't have soy. They're called konjac shirataki noodles. They're made from plant fiber. I ordered 10 pks from Low Carb Connoisseur. Here's a description. I'm posting this because I hope it can help someone else who wants to cut calories:

"Zero Carbs Zero Calories Zero Fat approx 7 oz bag contain 2 servings

Konjac noodles (shirataki = sirataki = konnyaku = yam noodles = devil's tongue noodles in Japanese)

" are naturally water soluble fiber with no fat, sugar, starch, or protein. * contain zero net carbohydrates and zero calories. are wheat and gluten free. are translucent and gelatinous, with no flavor of their own - they easily absorb the dominant flavors of any soup or dish. * are instant and come in a variety of styles and shapes - you can simply toss salsa with Konjac instant pasta for a quick meal. *can be stored in the room temperature for about one year. * Shelf stable so they do not require special shipping.

Konjac noodles are thin, translucent, gelatinous noodles, similar to Chinese glass noodles (cellophane noodles or bean thread noodles), have no discernable taste but absorb the dominant flavors of the soup or dish to which they're added.

Konjac noodles is made from konjac flour and water. Konjac flour is a water-soluble dietary fiber, which is derived from the root of the konjac plant (Amorphophallus konjac) native to China and Japan. The primary component of the konjac root is glucomannan, a soluble dietary fiber. Glucommannan was also sold in capsules in health food stores as a slimming aid. Konjac noodles are almost completely fiber, almost no calories. Konjac noodles consist primarily of a glucomannan polysaccharide, plus calcium and are very low glycemic, and therefore especially good for people with diabetes. Konjac noodles come packaged in water, and are "spaghetti" shaped. They are sold in liquid-filled plastic bags." quote from: Low Carb Connoisseur website

[shunsweets]

I've been invited over from the diabetes thread by my new friend Bill to say hello and feel like I'm at a class reunion after reading through your Nov thread! I've so missed all you guys! So hi emandm, kisha, leo, snaggle, redeemed and all my other JUDDD friends. So glad to hear you are all doing so well. As you know I enjoyed doing JUDDD. It fit my lifestyle and personality (yes a bit compulsive, a bit spiritual, a bit of a rebel) perfectly and I feel a real bond with all of you.

As those of you who followed my trials and tribulations with my BGL's last Spring know I had to stop JUDDDing as my blood sugar levels became very unstable - mostly very high which I didn't realise for a while. My dr says the varying calorie levels (even with VLC) are stressful to the pancreas and not a good choice for people with diabetes esp those with insulin deficiency. YMMV. Anyway now I try to stick with Dr Berstein's plan (with a few tweaks ofcourse!)

I no longer fast but use meditation and yoga to reach my spiritual side and still enjoy my walks along the river. Best wishes to you all and keep on JUDDDing! Remember tomorrow is only one day away - always only 1 day from an UD! And Emandm give those darling twins an extra hug from me!

[Jaysma]

Hey guys . I joined the group and then went MIA, so I apologize! We celebrated my youngest son's 1st birthday in SC last week (Thur-Mon). We had a great time but I totally lost my mind food-wise . Between the party and "having" to take in the missed foods from the Mom & Pop places back home, I returned with a 7lb gain. I got back on track with a DD yesterday and 3lbs are gone as of this morning, so I'm hoping the other 4 will leave within a week or 2.

There's no guilt here though & given the fact that we rarely go back home, I'd probably do it again. Having said that, it does feel good to be back on plan

Off to read up on what I missed while I was away. Hope everyone is having a great week JUDDDing!

[EmandM]

Shunsweets! I am so glad to 'see" you on here! I've missed you. Glad you could help Bill. I have been meditating and practising yoga too (since the summer, less now that I am back teaching). I love it. I also joined a running group and I still run but have increased my distance and speed. How are your grandbabies? The twins are great. They will be 4 in March! Ack!

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by GrammyPat

Leo, you DO rule! thank you so much for the info - I just ordered some from them (wish I knew who you were so you could get the referral credit). Good luck with the BG info Bill....please let us know what you find.

OK, am making this a DD - need to get a grip and stop the whining! Got 7 hrs last night with the CPAP and feel pretty good today. Make it a great day for yourselves, everyone!

GET IT GIRL!!! You can do it. Like I always say it really just takes one good DD to get back on a solid roll.

Originally Posted by Redeemed

Attachment 25813 Good morning everyone. DD here. The clincher is I go into work tonight from 11PM to 8AM. So, I want to eat as late as possible before leaving for work. It is absolute torture for me to work a night shift on a DD. I'll save all my calories and eat at 9PM and start my UP at 6AM at work. I'll have a sandwich then. I read a post once where someone said you have to go home from the night shift, then sleep, and when you wake up it's the UD. However, it was not necessary for me to do this in the past. I bought all the ingredients for the soup Cherlyndria posted. I noticed the shirataki noodles are made from tofu. Does anyone know if tofu is fermented soy? I may not make this again as I have read soy blocks the conversion of thyroid hormones. Down seven pounds since Saturday. Remind me never to take Prometrium again. Stopped Prometrium Saturday when I started JUDDD. I think the weight loss will slow down now and I'll see actual pounds lost. Alot of excitement at our house with that raccoon who adopted us. I posted about that in the Lounge section of LCF. Have a great day everyone!

I don't know HOW you do those Night Shift DDs! Ugh. I think your plan is good. You are still having a 36 hour DD because of the night's sleep the night BEFORE the DD. So you sleep all night the night before, wake up, wait all day to eat, eat your DD cals then work and by the time you eat after your Night Shift you've had a full solid DD even if you don't sleep again. You just need to calculate those days differently as you're in a unique working situation.

Originally Posted by Leo41

Redeemed-

Yes, tofu is soy, and if you're hypothyroid, you should avoid soy products. My endo says it's OK to have some soy occasionally, but it should not be a regular part of your diet.

If today is a DD, can't you begin your UD at midnight? And then eat during your shift? I really admire you if you can get through today as a DD and then work the night. On a DD, I go to bed as early as I can to get to my UD breakfast.

Today is a DD for me, and I had sardines with my morning coffee. I'm having lunch with a friend (something I avoid on DDs), so this may turn into a MD, although while I was away, I learned that it's possible to eat socially and eat sparingly. I'll see what I can do today.

Good luck at that lunch! I've done fine with DD lunches out when they were unavoidable... as long as there is some sort of fish on the menu they still seem to come out ok. So look for fish

ALSO RE TOFU - I also think that because it is FERMENTED it is safe for HypO its the unfermented Soy that we need to avoid (again I'm a pirate not a doctor so take all my advice with a grain of salt LOL)

Originally Posted by shunsweets

I've been invited over from the diabetes thread by my new friend Bill to say hello and feel like I'm at a class reunion after reading through your Nov thread! I've so missed all you guys! So hi emandm, kisha, leo, snaggle, redeemed and all my other JUDDD friends. So glad to hear you are all doing so well. As you know I enjoyed doing JUDDD. It fit my lifestyle and personality (yes a bit compulsive, a bit spiritual, a bit of a rebel) perfectly and I feel a real bond with all of you.

As those of you who followed my trials and tribulations with my BGL's last Spring know I had to stop JUDDDing as my blood sugar levels became very unstable - mostly very high which I didn't realise for a while. My dr says the varying calorie levels (even with VLC) are stressful to the pancreas and not a good choice for people with diabetes esp those with insulin deficiency. YMMV. Anyway now I try to stick with Dr Berstein's plan (with a few tweaks ofcourse!)

I no longer fast but use meditation and yoga to reach my spiritual side and still enjoy my walks along the river. Best wishes to you all and keep on JUDDDing! Remember tomorrow is only one day away - always only 1 day from an UD! And Emandm give those darling twins an extra hug from me!

Hi Hon! Miss you over here. Glad things are going well for you!

Originally Posted by Jaysma

Hey guys . I joined the group and then went MIA, so I apologize! We celebrated my youngest son's 1st birthday in SC last week (Thur-Mon). We had a great time but I totally lost my mind food-wise . Between the party and "having" to take in the missed foods from the Mom & Pop places back home, I returned with a 7lb gain. I got back on track with a DD yesterday and 3lbs are gone as of this morning, so I'm hoping the other 4 will leave within a week or 2.

There's no guilt here though & given the fact that we rarely go back home, I'd probably do it again. Having said that, it does feel good to be back on plan

Off to read up on what I missed while I was away. Hope everyone is having a great week JUDDDing!

Meh... I'm sure it was worth it! I've noticed that big carb up bounces in weight seem to disappear after a couple of good DD UD rotations. JUDD is pretty forgiving about those kinds of indescretions so hopefully you'll be right back on track.

[Glory be]

Hello everyone.
Sounds like everyone's doing alright, today's my third day on JUDDD, Monday started out as a DD, but by 11 am, I was already @ 430 cals, and it didn't seem like I was going to slow down anytime soon. So I converted it into a UD, but also started a food journal. By the end of the day I couldn't believe it. I was @ 2200 cals. Shameful tho it is, I gotta post this for accountability.
So yesterday I did a DD and ended @ 670 cals, still not below the 500 calorie mark, but atleast I know to watch it.
Today's UP, but am working on control & portion sizes, so even tho its a UP, I will try and zero in on the 1000 calorie mark.
That day one sure was an eye opener.

Oops, messed up the lingo.. those UPs were actually UDs.

[snaggle]

glory be: lots of new folks to juddd take a while getting their dd's down to 500 or below.
I am not saying they ever get easy, but they get easIER.

Bill- I forgot that Dr. J. had discussed the issues with JUDDD and diabetes. I know it is probably a bummer to feel like you have to switch plans, but your health is the most important thing. I would listen to BS101 and shunsweets. The wierd thing though is that I thought you weren't really doing down days the last few weeks, but your levels have gotten worse?? That doesn't make sense, or am I confused?

[Leo41]

Jaysma-

Glad you enjoyed your vacation, and don't worry about those few pounds. I've found that a couple of DDs usually takes care of 'vacation weight' easily. It's one of the great things about JUDDD.

Shunsweets-

Great to see you here, but it's scary that the calorie rotation stresses the pancreas. I'm not diabetic but not too sure that I want to be stressing my pancreas.

Glory-

I find that I have to count both DDs and UDs because those calories add up very, very quickly. But don't give up if you eat early in the day; try to identify your personal pattern. For example, I tend to be a morning eater, and on a DD, I often am at my calorie limit by noon. But since I focus on eating protein as much as possible, I then find that I'm not hungry the rest of the day and don't eat any more.

Kisha-

It's 4 p.m. here, and I think I've made it [fingers crossed] because I rarely eat later on a DD. There wasn't any fish on the menu that wasn't involved in some complicated recipe that I didn't trust, but I had a grilled chicken salad with the dressing on the side. Fortunately, it was a gooey, icky-looking dressing that I had no problem putting away untasted. The chicken was really just grilled white strips, and I ate the plain greens along with a 'teensy' bite of bleu cheese. I don't think the entire salad could have been more than 300 cal, so I came in at about 450 for the day--more than I like but good for eating out, I think.

[BillB]

Originally Posted by snaggle

Bill- I forgot that Dr. J. had discussed the issues with JUDDD and diabetes. I know it is probably a bummer to feel like you have to switch plans, but your health is the most important thing. I would listen to BS101 and shunsweets. The wierd thing though is that I thought you weren't really doing down days the last few weeks, but your levels have gotten worse?? That doesn't make sense, or am I confused?

Exactly. I was doing medium / up days for the past 2 weeks. Today is my third day back on plan (second DD with very low cals) and my numbers are back down--109 this morning, and nothing over 119 all day so far. Much better.

I really value what Shuns and Jenny have said. I am going to keep a close eye on my numbers, try to give my system what it needs for JUDDD to work, and see what happens for a little while. I was doing so well with JUDDD (blood sugars very low and very consistent when I started) that I am not anxious to give it up, although I will if that turns out to be what I need to do to keep my blood glucose stable.

Anyway, I did meditate last night for an hour, and I have been using the Chinese hand exercise balls several times daily (switched from using the chiming steel balls to solid labradorite ones that are beautiful and feel good in my hands). I was so happy to see that lower blood sugar reading this morning....

As far as DDs go, to me, it seems that the more I eat, the more I want, and the less I eat, the less I need. Tracking my calories is a big help to me. Unbelievable the difference it has made for me. Of course, some people say it's obsessive, but I dunno. It does make me more aware of how many calories are in what, so I can make more informed choices.

Grammy, where in VA are you? I recently moved from Charlottesville after living there for 8 years.

Jaysma, I used to go to this awesome little Low Carb store and Cafe in Greenville SC. Is that anywhere near where you were visiting? I think the store has been gone for a while...I moved further away, and also fell off the LC wagon for a few years.

It seems like everyone is doing very well...

We can do hard things.

--bill

[Jaysma]

Originally Posted by BillB

...Jaysma, I used to go to this awesome little Low Carb store and Cafe in Greenville SC. Is that anywhere near where you were visiting? I think the store has been gone for a while...I moved further away, and also fell off the LC wagon for a few years....

Greenville wasn't far from me. I was in Anderson. I didn't hit any LC stores, but I did get my Skin's Hotdogs fix. I walked around the famous Jockey Lot for a few hours so I justified it

[BillB]

Originally Posted by Jaysma

Greenville wasn't far from me. I was in Anderson. I didn't hit any LC stores, but I did get my Skin's Hotdogs fix. I walked around the famous Jockey Lot for a few hours so I justified it

The Jockey Lot is second only to Pickens.

--bill

[GrammyPat]

Bill, I now live in Richmond, VA on the Southside (known affectionately by locals as "dogtown" because that is where everyone used to drive to dump off stray dogs!). This is not my birthplace; I'm a transplant from PA. Moved here to chase my grandchildren. But all the trips I made to Charlottesville, I always loved going there! You could see Skyline Drive from my Dad's house if you stood out back on the deck. Beautiful countryside. They're always adding more restaurants there How does a college town support all the shopping centers they have and the restaurants? How did you like Charlottesville?

Great DD today! Came in at 357 calories. Thanks Kisha for the good wishes! always appreciated. Keep us posted on your progress Bill. Leo, good job!

[BillB]

Originally Posted by GrammyPat

Bill, I now live in Richmond, VA on the Southside (known affectionately by locals as "dogtown" because that is where everyone used to drive to dump off stray dogs!). This is not my birthplace; I'm a transplant from PA. Moved here to chase my grandchildren. But all the trips I made to Charlottesville, I always loved going there! You could see Skyline Drive from my Dad's house if you stood out back on the deck. Beautiful countryside. They're always adding more restaurants there How does a college town support all the shopping centers they have and the restaurants? How did you like Charlottesville?

Great DD today! Came in at 357 calories. Thanks Kisha for the good wishes! always appreciated. Keep us posted on your progress Bill. Leo, good job!

I love Charlottesville and Richmond. Lots of friends in both places. Charlottesville is kind of a snobby, foodie town with lots and lots of really rich people. When I lived there, we called it "living inside the bubble" because it's such an insulated and artificial "environment". I think I'd rather live in The Fan, preferably near Strawberry St. Cafe.

--bill

[Redeemed]

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Eh hem....about those noodles! Made them yesterday....not bad if you like to chew on rubber bands! Enough said.

Bill: Glad you found a friend in Shunsweet and Jenny. Their expertise will be a blessing to you, I'm sure.

Jaysma: Nice to meet you - welcome back.

EdmandM: I look forward to getting to know you.

Shunsweets: Welcome back, even if it is just to encourage others. Hope you visit often.

Down day yesterday went well. Did night shift and managed not to eat until 6AM today. I'm going to sleep now, and then to a restaurant in St. Paul called "A Touch of Scandanavia" with family and friends.

CrystalPistol: Love your avatar. Hope JUDDD is going well for you.

[Leo41]

Redeemed-

I had the same experience with those noodles a couple of years ago when I was reading Hungry Girl's website, and she touted them as so ideal. I pride myself on being able to eat anything--but not those things. They feel and taste exactly like rubber bands!

People have been raving about them on these boards recently, so I assumed that they'd been improved, although I wasn't inclined to try them again, since I've given up processed foods. It's nice to know that I'm not missing anything

[EmandM]

Originally Posted by Redeemed

Attachment 25838

Eh hem....about those noodles! Made them yesterday....not bad if you like to chew on rubber bands! Enough said.

EdmandM: I look forward to getting to know you.

about the noodles! I think I will pass.

I look forward to getting to know you too! You are doing a great job already with the DD's!

[snaggle]

Interesting about the noodles?? I have enjoyed them a bunch of times and did not find them to be TOO rubbery. You didn't boil them did you? I know the brands I buy just require rinsing and heating. I just dunk them in hot water.
I will also say that I have eaten them with sauces that tend to be the more important part of the dish. I just use the noodles to add some bulk.
sorry you didn't enjoy them!