Nov JUDDD / Alternate Day (We can do hard things!)

[Leo41]

What I Missed-

Welcome back, Redeemed. We've corresponded on the thyroid board, and I'm happy to see you trying JUDDD again because, as you can see from my previous post, I'm a big booster of this plan.

Kisha-
Awesome costume--make up and all. Isn't it great that you can enjoy yourself looking so great?

Snaggle-
I have mixed feelings about calorie levels on DDs and UDs, and you need to find what works best for you. My own body actually seems to work on a monthly cycle (what am I surprised; isn't that our biology?) because I can have a "perfect" week and lose nothing on the scale and follow that with a higher week and lose 3 lbs. I think my losses are cumulative, making it difficult to know what works best.

However, my experience has been that I can stay satisfied on about 350-400 cal on DDs. If I go lower, I find myself very hungry the next UD and tend to overeat. Although I don't believe entirely in 'calories in/calories out', I do think that with JUDDD, loss is based on the average # of cal for UD/DD. That's why I think a very high UD can ruin the loss of a DD. But exactly what I should eat to lose best--I have no idea. As I've mentioned before, if I have an excessively high UD about once a month, I tend to lose more, but if I did that more often I'd gain--rapidly.

This may be due to my latest discovery that too low calories can suppress the thyroid's T3, and then the body really resists losing. So the occasional high calorie day may be necessary for me to get that T3 higher. But I don't know really. It's all trial and error--and very, very frustrating. I guess that's just the penalty of old age

Glory-
I hope you find this WOE as helpful as I have. We look forward to your questions/experiences with JUDDD.

[BillB]

Hey all,

Stayed away a little longer than I planned. I tried to keep up with the postings, but I was just busy relaxing and didn't take time to post much.

Redeemed, Glory, (also to anyone else who's arrived that I didn't remember to welcome).

Kisha, you are the hottest pirate in the history of piracy. All you need is a big parrot for your shoulder.

Misty, in general I totally agree about the daily alternation. More on that when I report back on my "vacation" from JUDDD.

Leo, you are a paragon of restraint.

Snaggle, I agree about the social obligations issue. More on that later, too...

Anybody seen Beezle?

Two weeks off plan. Most days around 2000 cals, which is supposedly a good calorie deficit for me. All low carb for the whole time. I missed the simplicity of DDs. I feel like I gained some pounds, but it will be 3 months or so before I weigh again.

It seemed as if the more up / medium days I did, the more food I wanted. Part of it was habit (being around people that I have always done food-social things with), part was having people cook for me, part was eating "out" more than I usually do. I am sure some of my restaurant foods had small amounts of inconspicuous carbs (I stayed in ketosis, though).

I have decided a few things:

1. I am going to consciously learn to eat less when I plan to dine out (or in) with friends. Just because I am going to the same places with the same people I have known for a long time, does not mean that I have to eat the same volume of food.

2. I will try to keep on JUDDD and true alternation the next time I travel.

3. I am going to try broth /sf Jello fasting for the next few DDs. I want to get back the feeling of being in control of my choices. I also want to make sure I recognize real hunger--the understanding of which I think came to me from the JUDDD alternation.

I am watching Iron Chef...will try to make sure I reread all the posts I missed.

--bill

[Redeemed]

703784jl3qt1u4ao.gif Hi Bill, nice to meet you. You sound very serious about managing your weight. Great goals posted. I'm glad you had a nice vacation.

Welcome back, Leo. You have been the pillar of this thread. It was reading of your continued success on JUDDD that brought me back.

Successful UD yesterday Measured and calculated all my 2000 calories of the food I had planned for the day. I couldn't resist peeking at the scale. Down 4 pounds since starting Saturday. I need to mention I went off a particular hormone pill on Sat., so I know this is water weight. I am still encouraged. It felt so good to eat correctly yesterday. Two challenges this week: a 14 hour shift today (DD); and a 12 hour night shift Wed. (DD). When I am off induction these two days will be UD's. Hope everyone has a great day!

[Leo41]

Redeemed-
It's nice to see that scale go down--regardless of the reason! I wish you every success because you are so committed to your health.

Bill-
Here's what I noticed this time traveling. I was with a group of people that I've worked with for some years, so I know them fairly well, and we often eat together. This time (for the first time) I noticed that a woman in our group who is close to my age and has 'surrendered' to the extra pounds that age adds always ate a lot. She enjoyed her food but ate far more than anyone else.

Several other women in our group are just a few years younger, but quite slender. They ate sparingly. They didn't deprive themselves, but I noticed that they often ignored high calorie items, and if they had dessert, they usually didn't finish it. No one was 'dieting'--this is just the way they eat regularly.

Moreoever, NO ONE commented on what I ate or didn't eat. At one lunch, there was only a green salad and a selection of 3 different kinds of sandwich. So I made a big salad and took a meaty sandwich. When I sat down, I 'deconstructed' the sandwich, and cut the meat into my salad (for the protein), and discarded the bread. No one commented at all.

My point is that I observed that a lot of my colleagues were eating exactly HOW they wanted to eat--less or more--even though they didn't have health or weight issues. I think we can be overly sensitive to our WOE, and when we're in social gatherings, we think we have to eat 'normally'--which is just our old overeating mode. Thanks to JUDDD, I now think of my WOE as part of who I am, and I will eat as I choose regardless of the situation.

I think my colleagues were all doing just that, but I've never been aware of that before. There's no reason to be self-conscious about how we eat or feel we need to justify it. I'm beginning to think I can even manage a DD when I'm away from home.

[Glory be]

Thanks everyone for that warm welcome. I am amazed that people are up well before sunrise and are on the board posting. Looks like this thread's not just going to get me in line with good dietary habits but with life as a whole.
Bill... welcome back from your vacation. Hope u feel well relaxed and whole.
Redeemed... you're probably @ work already. My take would be that you take your long days one hour @ a time, I have learn't that many times anticipation turns out to be harder than the actual deed it's self. Beside u know who to run to when the going gets tough..u r redeemed right?..Amen
Leo, I put myself in your shoes, and substituted your work mates with my family.. and yes many times we compromise what's right for us simply becos we think "Their way or the old way" is the right way. Thanks for that observation, it's freed me of compromise.

Down here in Denver, I am armed with just basic info on how JUDDD works, and I have embarked on my first DD.
Bfst: coffee with splenda,
L: egg salad
D: chicken strips in a green salad
Snack: sf jello and lots of water... yah I've heard about the 400-500 cal limit on a down day, I am going to try and stay within that bracket, I have worked out already, and so far doing. Just fine.
Sorry I talk toooo much, am still really excited, I will tone down.
Have a healthy, active and blessed day.

[BillB]

Good morning, everyone!

Leo, thanks for sharing your observations. I don't have a great many "acquaintances"...mostly a circle of good friends. They are all acquainted with my battle with obesity and food habits (many of them have similar battles). Many of my friends have seen me at 220 pounds and 450. We often (too often?) discuss eating plans, eating habits, food. I don't have the same problem addressing these issues with friends as I would with strangers or professional / casual acquaintances. I am extremely uncomfortable with my weight issues / appearance in general, and particularly don't want to "run into" casual / professional acquaintances now (or until I am a lot smaller, for that matter). However, I don't have the same problem with my friends. I hadn't really given this much thought until your post about your observations from your conference. I think (hope?) examining this will help me with my issues.

This issue probably belongs more on the diabetes board, and I will probably post over there too, but this is my "home" so I am posting here too. My BG levels have been on a steady incline for 3-4 weeks. My fasting numbers are up from 100-110 to 140-150 (149 this morning, after a very moderate calorie and LC day yesterday), and the 140 range is typical throughout the day no matter how much I eat (LC/VLC always). In addition, my ketosis is noticeably "lighter" (I know there are arguments about this, including the hydration issue, etc...however, I know that during the past 2-3 years, when I was trying to LC but got discouraged because I couldn't get into ketosis, my blood sugar was also elevated. As my sugar levels decreased, my ketosis readings got stronger, my weight loss started, my hunger decreased, etc. There is a direct connection here, for me, if not for everyone). My primary goal is controlling my diabetes, although weight loss is important. So, I am upset and scared.

--bill

[Leo41]

Bill-

I'm no expert on diabetes, but I read all BloodSugar101's postings, and she says that different foods affect different diabetics--i.e., just because it's "low carb" doesn't mean a certain food won't affect your BG. My suggestion is that you start checking yourself more frequently to see if any particular foods are causing your BG to rise.

Of course, it could be stress. My sister is diabetic, and stress can cause her BG numbers to go through the roof. She has a stressful job, and she notices that when things get particularly stressful there, her BG goes up regardless of what she eats.

Do you have the JUDDD book? I recall that Dr. J had something in there about problems diabetics might encounter with this WOE, but I don't know the details. However, you've been doing this for a while, so I wouldn't think that it's JUDDD.

Sorry I can't be more helpful; I hope you find out what's causing this because you're working so hard to keep your diabetes under control.

[Glory be]

Bill,
I feel your frustration and pain. But like Leo said; you like the rest of us have embarked to the long tough road to bringing our lives/ readings back under control. Hang in there bro, and stay on top of it all. We shall all over come.
I am pre-diabetic, don't take any pills or anything but sure know that lower BG readings are key.
Hang in there.

[Hydramatic]

I just wanted to say hello... I have been keeping up with everyone's posting for a few weeks now.
I did JUDDD earlier this year and lost 20 ish pounds. Then I did a round on the HCG diet and lost about 15. To finish the HCG protocol it requires being low carb for 3 weeks, (while the metabolism resets) so I have decided to do JUDDD again and make it low carb.
I'm rather shy and don't usually post, but you are all so supportive and after reading all your posts I'll feel like a stalker if I don't at least say hello.

"I'm high maintenance and mighty dramatic"
Hydramatic

[snaggle]

Bill- I can offer no help with your blood sugar issues other than to agree with Leo that Bloodsugar101 is a wonderful resource. I know if I ever developed those issues, I would get her book immediately. I hope and pray you will get clear on what is causing the increase and can get it under control.

Leo- I like your observations and totally agree with your sentiments. I rarely have the issue of being embarrassed or even self conscious about what I eat at social functions. My problem is not being able to eat the food I want at them. For example, some friends/family are not what I would consider good cooks, or they cook food that I just do not care for, and restricting my intake when at their homes is easy, but when food that I know is delicious is presented to me, I have a hard time saying no, and when I do, I feel deprived.
The good news is that with Juddd, I have learned to do this better, and have gotten better at being satisfied with small portions.

I have always admired and been jealous of skinny friends who seem to push away desserts and pass up decadent options that I find hard to resist.
Again, the thing I love about JUDDD is that because I do get my days of indulgence every other day, I can usually manage to go without on the dd's.
The key word there, of course is USUALLY".

[Leo41]

Snaggle-

I fear that the key to my control is obsessiveness My primary concern has become neither calories nor carbs but health--and for health, I need to restrict both calories and carbs. I have the greatest sweet tooth in the universe, but since I think of sugar as poison, I just don't eat any. I find it's much easier to treat sweets as an alcoholic regards alcohol.

While we were away, my sister (who is diabetic, overweight and will not low carb), said to me, "Life is too short to deprive yourself. Isn't there anything you would really like to eat?"

My response was (honestly) "No" because although there are things that I don't eat that I know are delicious, I don't 'want' to eat them because I'm convinced that they're not good for me.

It's taken me a long time to get my head at this place, and I really want to stay here.

Example: Our last night at Disney, my sister and niece went looking for some dinner, but it was late, and all the nearby restaurants were full. So they came back to the room with a large pizza. It was awful, so they ate barely a slice each. The "old me" would have finished off the entire pizza even though it was dreadful. I've come a long way--and never want to go back!

[BillB]

Originally Posted by Leo41

The "old me" would have finished off the entire pizza even though it was dreadful. I've come a long way--and never want to go back!

There were a lot of things that ITA with in your post, but that one sums it up for me. People often question me about "do you think you will ever eat cake again?" or similar things. "Never say never" is my answer but that is not what my I am really thinking.

Thanks, everyone, for the kind thoughts! You made me feel better!

Blood sugar numbers still bad today (133-154, 154 being the highest number I have seen in a loooong time). I know about different things affecting people differently, but I also eat basically the same stuff all the time. My "menu" has changed very little; I eat the same things, just less of them because I want less of me. I test usually 4-6 times a day (was testing less when my numbers were consistently under 120). Those test strips are stupid expensive.

If I am still seeing these higher numbers in a week or two, I will make an appointment with my doc. Some anecdotal evidence I have found indicates that I might have to start insulin in order to control my diabetes. I am very unhappy about that possibility, especially since I understand low carb so well and have been so obsessive about carbs since my diagnosis (because I do not want to start injecting insulin).

I was successful today doing broth and sf Jello. Counting the fish oils and coconut oil I take with my other meds (to keep them from burning holes in my stomach) I had just under 100 cals today. Not exactly a water fast, but considering I have pills I must take with some food, I think this is about as low as I can go. I am planning a very reasonable UD tomorrow, and continue the mega-DD / moderate-UD rotation as long as I can do it without being miserable.

Honestly, weird as it might be, I was so totally looking forward to a DD. Did I already say this? Having two weeks of medium-to-UP days did make my "vacation" easier and perhaps more fun, but it also steered me toward some old habits that I'd really rather leave behind. Today, the first DD "back on plan" was the easiest DD I have ever had. I was totally prepared to cave. I was prepared to fail and eat 500 cals. And I was equally prepared to fail and eat 2500 cals. Strange, eh? I think giving myself "permission" to fail actually allowed me to stay on plan.

Enough babbling from me. You are all awesome!



--bill

[Redeemed]

Hydramatic: flower008.gif Thanks for introducing yourself to all of us. I hope your time on this thread is rewarding. Great success to you.

[snaggle]

Hydramatic- Glad to have you here. No reason to be shy around this group-- everybody is friendly and respectful of eachother.

I am so curious about the whole HCG thing. One of my best friends has been thinking about doing it because a bunch of folks she works with are having great success with it.
I get frustrated with my slow losses and I see these folks losing a lb a day, so it is intriguing to say the least. I would love for you to share your story.

[cherlyndria77]

Hey everyone,
I'm back and ready to post. I thought I'd share my favourite dd recipe
2 cups chicken stock
85g can shredded smoked chicken
70g shirataki noodles
150g steamed vegetables
Pinch of spices (such as cumin, chili etc)
few drops coconut essence
splash of lime juice
tiny bit of splenda sweetner

Boil up the stock with the spice mix, add the chicken, noodles and veggies - stir in juice, essence and splenda. Ta dah! Awesome asian flavoured chicken noodle soup
Serves 2
calories per serve 107

Enjoy!! xxx

p.s you can use shrimp instead of chicken and then its more like a laksa

[Redeemed]

054.gif Hope everyone has a happy Tuesday. Down another pound this am. I suspect after I loose 7 pounds, I will get into actual weight loss as opposed to loss of retained water.

Bill; I went back and read some of your posts. There is someone on the board who has a wealth of information regarding BG. Her screenname is BloodSugar101. The first time I read one of BloodSugar101's post, I thought, "Now, here's someone intelligent." No mindless chatter with her. I'm not diabetic, but found her information on carbohydrates and food very enlightening. She takes low carb to a deeper level. She does extensive research into these issues and freely shares her storehouse of information. My heart went out to you when I read of your dread at the thought of having to have daily injections. I pray you find the path to managing your BG that you can live in harmony with.

Cherylyndria: I see that a single serving is just a little over 100 calories. That is a lot of food for so few calories. I think I will make that for tomorrow's DD. This looks like something that will carry me through a DD just fine. Thank you for posting this recipe.

[Leo41]

Bill-

I totally agree with Redeemed; Blood Sugar (her name is Jenny) has great knowledge and wisdom about diabetes. You might want to send her a private message about your situation to see if she has any ideas before you see your doctor.

If you're eating the same things, it's clear that your body is doing something different to raise your BG. That's why I mentioned stress earlier. You've just returned from a nice trip to a stressful home situation (as you've described it), and you may be experiencing more stress than you realize.

There are other possibilities as well, but my fear is that most doctors (I don't know yours but I know mine) will go immediately to insulin without checking out other possibilities. That's why I encourage you to contact Jenny. She might suggest something else you can try to lower your numbers.

Another possibility is the change in your diet. Granted, you usually eat the same things, but while you were away, I'm sure you were eating different things and you certainly weren't doing DDs. Could the DDs be helping your blood sugar? If so, when you've done a few more, perhaps you'll see some lower numbers.

OK--I'm going to stop suggesting things because Jenny really is the expert.

[BillB]

I have been following Jenny for a good while...love her website. I am pretty sure she has asked not to receive private messages. That was a while ago; perhaps she has changed her position on that.

--bill

[CrystalPistol]

Originally Posted by snaggle

Hydramatic- Glad to have you here. No reason to be shy around this group-- everybody is friendly and respectful of eachother.

I am so curious about the whole HCG thing. One of my best friends has been thinking about doing it because a bunch of folks she works with are having great success with it.
I get frustrated with my slow losses and I see these folks losing a lb a day, so it is intriguing to say the least. I would love for you to share your story.

I know you were asking Hydra, but I thought I would tell you my story until she pops in. She and I actually did HCG together because we're like, BFFs and whatnot.

Anyway, I did HCG for 3 weeks and lost 21 lbs. I started at 240 and now I'm at 219. On Simeon's Protocol, you're supposed to do VLCalorie eating for 26 to 40 days. I stopped at 21 because that last week was not producing the results I got spoiled on. When you stop VLC eating, you're supposed to go low carb for 3 weeks and then maintenance for 3 more. I also cheated in that department and went straight to JUDDD after 21 days. While I'm getting my footing back on JUDDD, I'm yo-yoing between 219 and 222, but I have not significantly gained since I stopped HCG, which was on the 2nd. I'll be JUDDDing for about 4 weeks and then go back to HCG for at least 3 or 4 more weeks. I'm hoping that will work just fine for me. Keep us posted if you do decide to try HCG. It's hard work, but those losses were pretty amazing. I know I'm heavier, so my loss could possibly be higher than those whose starting weight is much less.

[Hydramatic]

Originally Posted by snaggle

Hydramatic- Glad to have you here. No reason to be shy around this group-- everybody is friendly and respectful of eachother.

I am so curious about the whole HCG thing. One of my best friends has been thinking about doing it because a bunch of folks she works with are having great success with it.
I get frustrated with my slow losses and I see these folks losing a lb a day, so it is intriguing to say the least. I would love for you to share your story.

On HCG I lost 14 pounds in 22 days. I'm sure it could have been better but there was a scuba trip and a Dallas trip that both slowed me down. But, more than a half a pound a day is good for me.

If you don't know the concept of the diet, I will put a link under your visitor messages that may be helpful. I think anyone is able to view that message/link if they are curious too.

It was a great way to get weight off in a shorter amount of time. It takes a lot of discipline to eat only the "protocol" of 500 calories. I only did 22 days, but I am near my goal. Another friend on the HCG worked with Dr. Hall (from the website) and lost 60 pounds in 4 months.

On the diet, I would lose a lot for 5days, gain a pound lose a pound then stall for 3days and then repeat. But even during my "stalling time" I could see changes in the mirror.

Whew! Have I been talking forever or what?
hope this helps.
Only those who dare to fail miserably can achieve greatly.-Kennedy

[Leo41]

Bill-

I didn't know that Jenny had asked not to have PMs. I sent her one a few weeks back and got a nice response. In any case, if you're watching your food, there's nothing else you can do to control your BG, and if it continues this way, I'd suggest that you see your doctor.

My sister gets some weird numbers that absolutely don't correspond to any known info on diabetes. For example, she doesn't have a problem eating regular pasta, but bread will cause her BG to rise. It seems to me that both should be a problem, but she checks regularly and assures me that it's a mystery to her, too. She's also been taking phentermine to control her appetite, and while it doesn't really help much with appetite, it lowers her BG! Her doctor said that was impossible, but when she stopped taking it, her BG went up. She renewed the prescription, and, sure enough, her numbers are controlled with phentermine, although her doctor insists there's nothing in those pills that should affect BG.

My point is that our bodies are strange! I fully understand your reluctance to go on insulin, but if it winds up being necessary, assure yourself that it's important for your health. High BG is much too dangerous to ignore.

Snaggle-
I got interested in HCG a while back and read all the stuff on it, but I was reluctant to do anything so complex if I could lose weight more 'normally.' Just recently someone asked about it on the thyroid thread, and Pam (who had not heard of it) sent out a survey to doctors she relies on. The consensus is that this should not be done by those with hypothyroid issues. I don't recall if you have that or not. I know that Trish does and she's doing HCG, so I hope she's OK.

[BillB]

I am in no way criticizing the Simeon's Protocol...but Snaggle is so close to goal (and already at a basically healthy weight) that I think "slow and sensible" is the best idea for her. The hcg thing seems like it *does* work better for people who have more to lose. I would definitely give it a try if the other things I am doing don't return me to health.

I am all about "whatever works" for each of us, and I am well acquainted with wanting the excess baggage gone "yesterday"...but it seems like those last few pounds are really stubborn for most of us, and the only way to get them off and keep them off is gradual. Also, at close to goal, it's more important than ever to lose fat and retain muscle. Who wants to lose 10 pounds of muscle to see a magic number on the scale?

I started this off to be just a word of encouragement to Snaggle to be patient and diligent, but I guess I took off on a rant (nods to Dennis Miller). I don't think Snaggle or anyone else here is obsessed with the scale (I used to be)...so sorry if I stepped on any toes.



--bill

[BillB]

Leo,

I wrote to Jenny and asked her about requests for personal advice. Will let you know. I think what I remember was from a long time ago, and I may be wrong (of course).

The thing about my BG numbers is that they have been steadily rising in tiny increments for about 3 weeks, starting a few days before my vacation. I did return to a lot of stress at home. My fasting was down to 128 today, a little better.

Thanks everyone, for the kind words and good wishes.

--bill

[CrystalPistol]

Originally Posted by BillB

I am in no way criticizing the Simeon's Protocol...but Snaggle is so close to goal (and already at a basically healthy weight) that I think "slow and sensible" is the best idea for her. The hcg thing seems like it *does* work better for people who have more to lose. I would definitely give it a try if the other things I am doing don't return me to health.

I am all about "whatever works" for each of us, and I am well acquainted with wanting the excess baggage gone "yesterday"...but it seems like those last few pounds are really stubborn for most of us, and the only way to get them off and keep them off is gradual. Also, at close to goal, it's more important than ever to lose fat and retain muscle. Who wants to lose 10 pounds of muscle to see a magic number on the scale?

I started this off to be just a word of encouragement to Snaggle to be patient and diligent, but I guess I took off on a rant (nods to Dennis Miller). I don't think Snaggle or anyone else here is obsessed with the scale (I used to be)...so sorry if I stepped on any toes.



--bill

You could be right about snaggle. Of course, she will have to decide what she feels is best for her. I appreciate yours and Leo's input, as well. And Leo has a good point. Some people are better off doing it comfortably, or it could get out of control. I'm normally not a big fan of restriction, but that WOE is much different than just restricting calories.

I actually feel funny talking about HCG since I'm doing JUDDD right now (and we are in the JUDDD forum), but wanted snaggle to get some info, if she's curious. I did want to clear one thing up before I go to strictly talking JUDDD. There is no muscle loss with HCG. It tricks the body into believing it is pregnant and uses the excess fat to fuel the baby (or in our case, our bodies). If in doubt, do plenty of research! But no toes stepped on here.. This place is for communication!

Now I'll go back to the regularly scheduled JUDDD programming!

[BillB]

Originally Posted by CrystalPistol

You could be right about snaggle. Of course, she will have to decide what she feels is best for her. I appreciate yours and Leo's input, as well. And Leo has a good point. Some people are better off doing it comfortably, or it could get out of control. I'm normally not a big fan of restriction, but that WOE is much different than just restricting calories.

I actually feel funny talking about HCG since I'm doing JUDDD right now (and we are in the JUDDD forum), but wanted snaggle to get some info, if she's curious. I did want to clear one thing up before I go to strictly talking JUDDD. There is no muscle loss with HCG. It tricks the body into believing it is pregnant and uses the excess fat to fuel the baby (or in our case, our bodies). If in doubt, do plenty of research!

Now I'll go back to the regularly scheduled JUDDD programming!

There are several people here now who have experience with HCG, and many of us are interested in hearing about that plan (myself included). I need to do some more research on it (my understanding is that it does target fat loss, but also that it does work better for those with more to lose). It's very good to know that it is a plan that promotes muscle retention.

I hope you won't feel uncomfortable discussing any plan or idea here. I know the cohesive thread here is JUDDD, but the value of the thread is all the people here. I know that I (for one) feel more comfortable bringing up issues here than in the main lobby. And here, I actually care what people think, whereas in the main lobby, there is a range from the brilliantly insightful to the flavor-of-the-month-wanna-be's. It's hard to sift through the crap there to find things worth reading (my opinion only).

I think I forgot to welcome you and Hydramatic, so

I love those screen names, BTW.

--bill

[Redeemed]

Originally Posted by BillB

There are several people here now who have experience with HCG, and many of us are interested in hearing about that plan (myself included). I need to do some more research on it (my understanding is that it does target fat loss, but also that it does work better for those with more to lose). It's very good to know that it is a plan that promotes muscle retention.

I hope you won't feel uncomfortable discussing any plan or idea here. I know the cohesive thread here is JUDDD, but the value of the thread is all the people here. I know that I (for one) feel more comfortable bringing up issues here than in the main lobby. And here, I actually care what people think, whereas in the main lobby, there is a range from the brilliantly insightful to the flavor-of-the-month-wanna-be's. It's hard to sift through the crap there to find things worth reading (my opinion only).

I think I forgot to welcome you and Hydramatic, so

I love those screen names, BTW.

--bill

ITA. Some people have no filters, they say or type their every thought. Too many board bullies who have a strange need to inflict others with their ever-present opinion.

[Ilpirata]

Thats why I love our little home here...

[CrystalPistol]

I edited my last post to add: But no toes stepped on here.. This place is for communication!

I see Bill quoted me before I was able to get that in.. I def agree with both Bill and Redeemed as I have experienced what you're talking about.

[BillB]

I would definitely trick my body into thinking it is pregnant if that would help me get healthy and lose some of my hideous blubber. I would. I totally would. I would not yet sell my soul to the devil, but I would think about it.


--bill

[Redeemed]

Cherlynda I am planning on making that soup today and wonder how long it will keep in the fridge. I have never used the shirataki noodles. My grocery store carries them, so I will pick some up today. Do they keep well after cooking?