Nov JUDDD / Alternate Day (We can do hard things!)

[BillB]

Originally Posted by MeekNHumble

Hello. I just stumbled across this thread and I'm interested in the plan. I recently followed the hcg protocol w/500 cals per day. I lost 10.6 pounds the first week. I have since decided to stop the plan.

I was wondering how much weight are you all losing on JUDDD?

Let us know if you have questions...don't be afraid to jump in the sandbox. I know it can be intimidating to join in an established group where people seem to know each other, but this is an awesome bunch of people...very kind, supportive, helpful, honest.

I'm probably not the only one who is interested in your hcg experience, so please feel free to share.

Medium day for me today...kinda looking forward to getting home and back into the JUDDD routine. There's something comforting about it, to me.

--bill

[mistydisa]

I tried...and failed....my first AWF DD today. I made it until 7:30 and just couldn't go any longer. Oh well. At least now I know it's just not for me, not yet, anyway.

My Monday weigh in was a bust... I gained 0.5 after b2b UDs Friday and Saturday. That always messes me up, but I'm trying not to let it get me down. November and December are going to be crazy months for me, so I'm going to stick to plan as much as I can, but not feel guilty when I have to do b2b-ers.

I'm also going to re-weigh Friday and move my "official" weigh in day to either Thursday or Friday every week to cut myself some slack from the weekends.

Hope everyone who's feeling sick gets well soon, those who feel well stay healthy, and we all find lots of success in the month of November!

[Meek75]

Originally Posted by BillB

Let us know if you have questions...don't be afraid to jump in the sandbox. I know it can be intimidating to join in an established group where people seem to know each other, but this is an awesome bunch of people...very kind, supportive, helpful, honest.

I'm probably not the only one who is interested in your hcg experience, so please feel free to share.

Medium day for me today...kinda looking forward to getting home and back into the JUDDD routine. There's something comforting about it, to me.

--bill

Hi Bill. Thanks for the welcome. I'm looking forward to getting to know you all. My hcg experience was okay. I started on 10/20 and lost 10.6 pounds the first week on the drops/500 cals per day. The first week was kinda easy, but it started getting hard towards the second week. I was hungry, so I cheated. I only gained back .6 ounces. I wanted to contine on until 11/23 - but I couldn't, so I stopped following the plan. Now I am trying to find a WOE that works best for me. I'm interested in low-carbs/low-cals/portion control. I think that might work better for me.

How long have you been following Dr. Johnson's plan and how much weight have you lost thus far?

[Leo41]

Meekness!

I don't know how you managed even two weeks of 500 cal days! The nice thing about JUDDD is that the 'down days' are just one day at a time, and we get to eat the next day. I can't imagine doing weeks of DDs consecutively.

I'm an "old timer" here with JUDDD, as I've been doing it all year (began Dec. 17, 2008). I've lost only 45 lbs, but you have to understand that I have a very compromised metabolism (post-menopausal & hypothyroid) and lose very, very slowly.

I came to JUDDD because although I'd lost about 80 lbs doing standard low carb (over a few years), I just stalled for a long time. I need to seriously restrict calories in order to lose at all, and that was frustrating to do daily. JUDDD is a great way (for me) to restrict calories and still have some opportunities to eat. I still eat low carb for health and to control my appetite. I doubt that I could do DDs if I didn't suppress my appetite with low carb.

[Meek75]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Meekness!

I don't know how you managed even two weeks of 500 cal days! The nice thing about JUDDD is that the 'down days' are just one day at a time, and we get to eat the next day. I can't imagine doing weeks of DDs consecutively.

I'm an "old timer" here with JUDDD, as I've been doing it all year (began Dec. 17, 2008). I've lost only 45 lbs, but you have to understand that I have a very compromised metabolism (post-menopausal & hypothyroid) and lose very, very slowly.

I came to JUDDD because although I'd lost about 80 lbs doing standard low carb (over a few years), I just stalled for a long time. I need to seriously restrict calories in order to lose at all, and that was frustrating to do daily. JUDDD is a great way (for me) to restrict calories and still have some opportunities to eat. I still eat low carb for health and to control my appetite. I doubt that I could do DDs if I didn't suppress my appetite with low carb.

Yes, it was hard. What kept me going was seeing the pounds drop fast. But, after two weeks, that got old and I was starving!! I found I need to restrict my cals in order to lose as well. I want to do this by following low-carbs and min cals. It seems as if you had great results even tho you have metab issues. 45 pounds is great, in my opinion .

So, how many cals do you consume on your DDay's??? When you weigh after a DD, and then eat UP, do you gain the weight back? I'm trying to figure out how this works. Please explain. Thank you.

[mistydisa]

Meekness:

For me, the weight is coming off slowly BUT I'm totally indulging on my UDs, eating whatever I want, so I'm not complaining! I've lost 20 lbs. since August 3.

I have 500 calories on DDs. I only weigh once/week, after a DD.

[Meek75]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

Meekness:

For me, the weight is coming off slowly BUT I'm totally indulging on my UDs, eating whatever I want, so I'm not complaining! I've lost 20 lbs. since August 3.

I have 500 calories on DDs. I only weigh once/week, after a DD.

Thanks Misty!! - 20 pounds is GREAT! KUTGW! .

[Leo41]

Meekness-

The original calculator number for me was 435 on DDs. I've eaten 400 cal DDs for most of the year, but recently I've started doing 300-350 if possible. I also count carefully on UDs and try to stay at 1400 cal to insure that my average is <1000 cal a day, which is what I need to do to lose.

One problem I've noticed is that the low calories seem to suppress my thyroid, which slows weight loss. I lose best if once or twice a month (no more often!) I have an UD of about 2000 cal. I usually do that on a weekend.

I don't do true alternation. My DDs are M, W, F, and I try to work out on Tues/Thurs/Sun (I swim and do water exercises). I try to make one weekend day a "medium" day (1000 cal)to balance the week. In having to restrict calories as much as I do, this is an ideal plan because those UDs seem like orgies in comparison to DDs, although I must admit that 1400 cal adds up very quickly so I definitely have to count.

This is my last day online until next Monday because I have to travel for a business event, leaving tomorrow morning. I find it impossible to do DDs when I'm away from home (others are more successful), but I try to eat as carefully as possible. One thing most of us discovered about JUDDD is that it is very forgiving in these situations. I went on a 4-day vacation to New Orleans at Easter, and although I tried to eat 'carefully,' both calories and carbs were much higher than usual. I came home up 2.5 lbs, but by the end of the week (3 DDs), I'd lost that plus an additional pound. I had a similar experience when I was away for a week.

Dr. J advises weighing only after DDs, and I've found it best also to weigh only once a week. There's a lot of bouncing up and down on this plan, and it helps to weigh each week on the same day and at the same time to get a more accurate number. I also mark my weekly weight on a calendar to check the trend, and that's how I noticed that at least one week a month, I don't have any loss. That helps me not get depressed when it happens.

I hope this is helpful to you.

[Meek75]

Leo, your post was very helpful. Thank you so much. I am looking at JUDDD and Lowcarbs/with portion control. I like both plans - but feel the need to pick the one that would work best for me. Augh...decisions, decisions, decisions . However, it seems like you have a pretty good system going with JUDDD. You are doing great! Keep up the good work .

[CrystalPistol]

Hi Meek!

We already have something in common, but a little backwards too. LOL!

I was doing JUDDDD awhile back and lost weight very well. I got 23 lbs off! At some point, I allowed myself to go out of control on my UpDays, and I didn't seem to stop. I gained 14 back! Booo... ALL MY FAULT, though. Not the WOE's fault. I decided I needed something to get my control back, so my friend told me about hCG and I lurked around this site and found out more.

I just finished a round of hCG as well. I lost 21 lbs in 3 weeks, so I'm actually better than I was on my last day of JUDDDD. I didn't lose a single pound on my last week of hCG (which is very disappointing when you get used to great numbers early on). Because of this, I decided to take a break from hCG. (I know it sounds spoiled, but the only reason I was okay with that WOE was bc of the dramatic loss, if I don't get that.. I'm out! LOL)

I decided to go back to JUDDDD now that I believe I have found my "control" that I once lost. I intend to do this as long as I can now. If I ever find myself losing control and gaining, though, I will be very tempted to use hCG to get me back on track. Sure, not going into the 3rd and 4th phase is breaking the Simeon's rules, but I've been JUDDDDing for 2 days now, and I haven't gained anything back. As a matter of fact, I dropped a pound this morning, and that was AFTER an UpDay.

Good luck! And hi to everyone here! I hope we all do great!

[Leo41]

A JUDDD First!

Did you ever wake up early on a Saturday morning, luxuriating that you didn't have to get up for work and could go back to sleep--and then realize that it actually was Friday, and you had to get up immediately or be late for work?

This morning, I woke up thinking how nice it was going to be to have a good breakfast, one of my UD specials (I'm a big breakfast eater), but two minutes later, I realized it was a DD

I've gotten over my initial dismay, and this DD is going fine, but that's never happened before in my almost full year of JUDDD. What will be nice is if I can wake up and think it's a DD and then realize it's an UD!

[Meek75]

Hey Crystal!

Wow you did great on HCG. I know it is very tempting, but it's a hard plan to follow for a long period of time (in my opinion). I know some folks who are doing really well on the plan tho. But, if you really look at it, it's kinda like juggling calories (restricting the first 23-40 days, then HIGH cals for for 21 days on P3 and 21 days fon P4 then restricting again) along with taking the drops.

Did you find the drops helped with appetite suppression? I think ketosis does a better job at suppressing the appetite than the drops. However, I know hcg suppose to help reset your metab and what not .

[Meek75]

Question: So the induction phase consist of 14 days of UD and DD or just DD?

[CrystalPistol]

Awww Leo! That would suck... Sorry to hear about it.

So yeah, why doesn't it happen the other way around? I don't think I've ever woken on a UD thinking it was a DD.

But there have been mornings that I had to take a moment to realize it's a DD.. it is a little disappointing. LOL.

[Meek75]

What are you all eating on DD? I can't do the shakes and stuff . I rather eat whole foods, but very low carbs, some good fats and PROTEIN .

[CrystalPistol]

Originally Posted by MeekNHumble

Hey Crystal!

Wow you did great on HCG. I know it is very tempting, but it's a hard plan to follow for a long period of time (in my opinion). I know some folks who are doing really well on the plan tho. But, if you really look at it, it's kinda like juggling calories (restricting the first 23-40 days, then HIGH cals for for 21 days on P3 and 21 days fon P4 then restricting again) along with taking the drops.

Did you find the drops helped with appetite suppression? I think ketosis does a better job at suppressing the appetite than the drops. However, I know hcg suppose to help reset your metab and what not .

I think hCG helped most of the time with my appetite, but so would getting used to not eating much. And so does low carb.. so it's actually quite difficult to say which one helped. When I did (a few times) get hungry, I glugged water like crazy.

As far as rules and regulations and benefits of different diets, I think all WOEs vary by person. I do not believe that two people doing the same WOE exactly provides the same results. Sometimes we have to do what works for us individually. I know a few hCGers might be worried that I dropped out, did not wait 48 hours after my last dose and dove right into JUDDD. But I gotta do what feels right for me.

Originally Posted by MeekNHumble

Question: So the induction phase consist of 14 days of UD and DD or just DD?

As far as the "induction phase" goes... Johnson says it's 500 cals MAXIMUM on DOWNDays and he *suggests* you to use prepackaged protein bars and shakes to help you get used to 500 cals per DownDay. UpDays are eating until satisfaction, but not overeating.

After the "induction phase" of 2 weeks, he says you could go up to 35% of your daily calorie intake for DDs.

I never did an induction phase. I've always strived for 500 cals or less on DownDays, and I did it eating whatever I wanted, as long as I stayed within the limits. I prefer trying to stay lower carb, as well.. but that's not part of JUDDD's requirements.

I also decided to limit my calories on my UpDays as well, to keep myself from going over. For example, let's say you want to average 1200 calories a day.. that means you can have 2400 in TWO days.. 500 for a DD and 1900 for an UpDay. Or whichever magic number works for you. (Discalimer: You do NOT have to watch your UpDay calories, but it works better for me this way).

One last thing: Johnson states it would be ideal if we could fast altogether on a DD. But he understands that most feel it necessary to eat each day, and this is why he tries to limit us to 20% to 35% of normal daily cals on your DD. I've just always stuck with 500 cals. Takes the math out of things a little bit.

Okay, rant over!

[Meek75]

Originally Posted by CrystalPistol

I think hCG helped most of the time with my appetite, but so would getting used to not eating much. And so does low carb.. so it's actually quite difficult to say which one helped. When I did (a few times) get hungry, I glugged water like crazy.

As far as rules and regulations and benefits of different diets, I think all WOEs vary by person. I do not believe that two people doing the same WOE exactly provides the same results. Sometimes we have to do what works for us individually. I know a few hCGers might be worried that I dropped out, did not wait 48 hours after my last dose and dove right into JUDDD. But I gotta do what feels right for me.



As far as the "induction phase" goes... Johnson says it's 500 cals MAXIMUM on DOWNDays and he *suggests* you to use prepackaged protein bars and shakes to help you get used to 500 cals per DownDay. UpDays are eating until satisfaction, but not overeating.

After the "induction phase" of 2 weeks, he says you could go up to 35% of your daily calorie intake for DDs.

I never did an induction phase. I've always strived for 500 cals or less on DownDays, and I did it eating whatever I wanted, as long as I stayed within the limits. I prefer trying to stay lower carb, as well.. but that's not part of JUDDD's requirements.

I also decided to limit my calories on my UpDays as well, to keep myself from going over. For example, let's say you want to average 1200 calories a day.. that means you can have 2400 in TWO days.. 500 for a DD and 1900 for an UpDay. Or whichever magic number works for you. (Discalimer: You do NOT have to watch your UpDay calories, but it works better for me this way).

One last thing: Johnson states it would be ideal if we could fast altogether on a DD. But he understands that most feel it necessary to eat each day, and this is why he tries to limit us to 20% to 35% of normal daily cals on your DD. I've just always stuck with 500 cals. Takes the math out of things a little bit.

Okay, rant over!

Great post. Thanks for the breakdown. You are the best!! .

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by MeekNHumble

Question: So the induction phase consist of 14 days of UD and DD or just DD?

Its rotation UD DD UD DD etc. etc. etc. Dr. J says NEVER to do two DD in a row. not on induction or ever.

Originally Posted by MeekNHumble

What are you all eating on DD? I can't do the shakes and stuff . I rather eat whole foods, but very low carbs, some good fats and PROTEIN .

There's a post with a good list I'll find for you...

[mistydisa]

Originally Posted by MeekNHumble

What are you all eating on DD? I can't do the shakes and stuff . I rather eat whole foods, but very low carbs, some good fats and PROTEIN .

Eggs are the BEST DD food I have found. 70 calories for each, and an excellent source of protein. Really satisfying and sticks with you. I also like Morningstar Farms "Chik'n Patties" (soy patties). They're 140 calories each, and I'll dip in a little ketchup.

I save all my calories for 1 meal in the evening. I have found this works best for me and my lifestyle.

[Ilpirata]

Some of my DD go to items are:

Laughing Cow Light Cheese (35 cals per wedge)
I like to spread this on the GG Scandanavian Bran Crisp Breads sold right here by Netrition (12 cals each)
Pure Protein Canned Shake Trader Joe's (110 Cals 5 Carbs)
Unsweetened Almond Breeze (40 cals per 8 oz) They make vanilla and chocolate I also use Almond Breeze in my coffee on DD
Single Serving Fage Greek Yogurt (90 cals)
97% Fat Free Hebrew National Hot Dog (45 cals each)
Ostrim Sticks (60 cals for two)
Subway Oven Roasted Chicken Salad (130 cals dressing extra)
Subway Roast Beef Salad (140 cals dressing extra)
Sugar Free Popsicle (15-20 cals by brand)
Swiss Miss DIET Cocoa (not just no sugar must say DIET) (25 cals)
Trader Joe's BBQ Chicken Terryaki - DO NOT use the sauce Packet (150 cals per cup)
Trader Joe's Egg White Salad (100 cals)
Trader Joe's Turkey Meatballs (100 cals per two)

I "bulk" these items out with Big Leafy Green salads using lowest cal lowest carb dressing I can find (there is one at TJs thats 35cals per 2TBS that tastes good mixed with balsamic) and also frozen cooked string beans to add bulk. Another favorite of mine is to use 1-1.5 cups of cooked veg either brocc or green beans and make a "scramble" with 2 eggs and 2 TBS hard green can parm. Its especially good with a couple squirts of chili sauce on it. Even my roomate said how good my "dinner" smelled LOL. yeah veggie egg scramble...

[Leo41]

Meekness-

Kisha has the best list of DD foods, as you can see.

The only reason Dr. J recommends shakes is that he doesn't believe people count calories properly, and it's important to stay at 500 or below on DDs during the first two weeks. However, old dieting pros (as many of us are) are very good at counting.

I began with shakes because I was concerned about getting enough protein on DDs, but artificial sweeteners make me hungry, and I didn't find drinking my meals satisfying. I do only whole foods now. Misty mentioned eating only once a day on DDs, and a lot of people do that, but I could. I usually eat 2-3 times. Recently, I've gone "primal" so I only eat fish, meat, veggies (olive oil for fat) and egg whites--no grains and no dairy. On UDs, I have nuts--almonds or walnuts or a T of almond butter. I make my own mayo using egg whites and light olive oil.

My typical DDs focus on protein (fat involves too many calories, so I use PAM spray) - eggwhite "omelets" with chopped spinach or broccoli for under 100 cal., sardines in water (120 cal), homemade chicken broth (50 cal for 2 cups), wild salmon (my supermarket has pouches that are just 70 cal and 15g protein), other filet of fish (frozen with 150 cal per piece and 25g protein). I don't eat anything on a DD unless I know the exact number of calories. Sometimes I'll make myself some broccoli or spinach for bulk for about 50 cal., but I usually try to make protein the basis of everything I eat on a DD.

For hunger, I slice cucumbers into diluted dill pickle juice (because pickles are too salty for me). Pickles can really satisfy hunger, and these cucumber slices work for me.

[Bengal Cat]

One successful DD down and back in the saddle again! I am very pleased with this as it is a confidence boost to get back on plan!

I have decided to stick with a max of 500....when I plugged in the numbers I think 35% weight loss/maint mode was like 523....

My DD menu was as follows:
(Note: I am not technically a 'low carber', but I still eat alot LESS carbs than the typical diet. I also try to get in plenty of whole foods)
Coffee (black)
Stonybrook Organic Probiotic Yogurt (mixed with 1tbs of cacoa...because this yogurt isn't as tasty as the greek yogurt, lol) 110 cals
Tea (black)
Bag of organic spring mix salad, with cucumber/onion and ff dressing 90 cals
1/2 of lc totilla with 2 tbs peanut butter (need to go to costco and get more almond butter) 250 cals

Brings me in at around 450 cals.......If I get hungry later I will eat a cucumber with some sea salt & pepper.

I am looking forward to adding more fat on my UD tomorrow

Have a nice evening everyone!!!

[PMoon]

Still chugging along. Today was UD. My new job is standing up all day and I've been really exhausted and going to bed early. I'm so SORE everywhere!! I know that will get better and go away after a while. TOmorrow will be a much needed day off. Will report more later when I'm not obsessed with sleeping. LOL

[EmandM]

Bengal Cat - your DD sounds amazing! I am going to get back to eating more salads on DD's. They are very filling and oh so healthy!

Leo - bummer about waking up thinking it's an UD only to find out it's a DD! A few weeks ago I lept out of bed at 6:22 in a panic as I was late for work. I realized that a) I don't get up at 6:22, I get up at 7:00 and b) it was a Sunday and I don't work weekends!

Bill - yes, orange plastic pumpkins ARE evil. I ended up bringing the leftover candy into work!

PM - sorry you are sore. Are you liking the new job?

Kisha - thanks for re-posting your DD foods. Gives me some new ideas to shake things up!

CrystalPistol and Meeknhumble. Hope you like JUDDD!

[Meek75]

Thank you all for your feedback and for sharing menu suggestions for DD. I think I can handle this program .

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by Bengal Cat

One successful DD down and back in the saddle again! I am very pleased with this as it is a confidence boost to get back on plan!

I have decided to stick with a max of 500....when I plugged in the numbers I think 35% weight loss/maint mode was like 523....

My DD menu was as follows:
(Note: I am not technically a 'low carber', but I still eat alot LESS carbs than the typical diet. I also try to get in plenty of whole foods)
Coffee (black)
Stonybrook Organic Probiotic Yogurt (mixed with 1tbs of cacoa...because this yogurt isn't as tasty as the greek yogurt, lol) 110 cals
Tea (black)
Bag of organic spring mix salad, with cucumber/onion and ff dressing 90 cals
1/2 of lc totilla with 2 tbs peanut butter (need to go to costco and get more almond butter) 250 cals

Brings me in at around 450 cals.......If I get hungry later I will eat a cucumber with some sea salt & pepper.

I am looking forward to adding more fat on my UD tomorrow

Have a nice evening everyone!!!

Right ON! One of my fave things about this WOE is that one or two DDs gets you right back on track. I find it forgiving!

Originally Posted by PMoon

Still chugging along. Today was UD. My new job is standing up all day and I've been really exhausted and going to bed early. I'm so SORE everywhere!! I know that will get better and go away after a while. TOmorrow will be a much needed day off. Will report more later when I'm not obsessed with sleeping. LOL

So Cassandra... you are sticking w/ UD DD? I might have missed it I thought you may be switching up plans. Glad you're hanging in~!

[Ilpirata]

Okay, I think I promised a post... my sister did my makeup HELLA crazy... but hey its Halloween so I guess its okay!

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[Whitlin']

Kisha, great job on the costume, magnificent job on the waistline.

Bill, thank you for reporting A1c and happy congrats to you. I have shown that to my dh. He was over 7 and is now down to 5.3, but did not know that about 5.5 level and heart attack risk.

Bengal Cat, I crept up 4 pounds on maintenance (several months later) and so have been scooting that down, with some illness getting in the way. JUDDD is very forgiving.

Thank you for your encouraging report, Grammy Pat. Any one of us with friends who have breathing issues should take note.

I believe I’ve missed Leo, but happy travels.

Sherrie, yes, laugh off those “shoulds” and “oughts” and guilt.

Hope your new job goes well, Cassandra.

“size going down” – great, nitenurse.

My experience with “others” has been a lot like Leo. A red flag comes up with birthday cake or treat – some people spread the idea that it is “rude” not to eat a person’s bday cake????? Um, no it’s not. Be there, say happy bday and have a good attitude, that’s all that’s necessary.

Get well soon, snaggle – I always feed any under-the-weather-moment, too.

Happy for your successful DD Caramel.

Well, I reached my goal weight again with those sneaking-back pounds vanquished! Hurray, maintenance - I liked you once I will LOVE you now. I need to change my profile to reflect it. A great DD yesterday and just feel wonderful, too.

But like mammapo suggested in her survey last month, I will be one who hangs around posting even if I am maintaining. (smile)

One item to add to DD stand-bys for me, would be veggie-tray type fixins. Definitely cut-up celery, carrot sticks, cauliflower... ... baby spinich leaves taste buttery... ... also green beans cooked and tossed with olive oil and sea salt.

[PMoon]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

So Cassandra... you are sticking w/ UD DD? I might have missed it I thought you may be switching up plans. Glad you're hanging in~!

For now. I was going to give it a go for at least a month to see if my inflammation improves. I didn't really do it much while I was traveling for training because I didn't have access to food that I could count or measure. So, I did a string of medium days.

At one point, I had modified it a little more like intermittent fasting, which still equates to up and down days. But didn't like it.

Cassandra

[GME]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Okay, I think I promised a post... my sister did my makeup HELLA crazy... but hey its Halloween so I guess its okay!

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DANG! You're one hot Chickie!