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Old 10-16-2009, 12:41 PM   #211
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I saw the thread and remember his post. Didn't think it was rude at all and I really sometimes wonder what the criteria is for these warnings because they seem kind of random.
I sent him a p.m. and really hope he comes back. He is valuable to our group.
Thanks Leo for passing the info. along.
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Old 10-16-2009, 01:01 PM   #212
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Thanks for letting us know Leo. I do hope Bill decides to stay as I really enjoy reading his posts and he has a lot of insight. I agree with Snaggle and wonder what the criteria for rudeness is as I can't see Bill being anything but kind and informative.
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Hey, troops, am excited because instead of shakes, I made myself some soup of chicken broth/boullion+flavorless protein+ 1 tsp heavy cream-felt like a meal! This might be the variety I need instead of sweet tasting shakes all day. Could do it with tomato juice, etc, too. Anyone got any ideas? Figure cals about 100-150/ almost no carbs.
Sent Bill a pm hope he can stay here. We need all the support we can get-all of us.
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Thanks for letting us know, Leo.

I can't imagine Bill saying anything rude, definitely not on purpose anyway. He's genuine and thoughtful. I hope he doesn't let one (or a couple) people drive him away from this board.

Come back, Bill!
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:10 PM   #215
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I so know what you mean!!! Wednesday I was in such a vile mood and wanted to comfort myself with food so badly...very difficult DD, but I completed it successfully and really felt like that was a step in the right direction for me. Usually I don't stop long enough to realize I'm eating from my emotions, not cause I'm hungry. Lots of introspection going on with this WOE. I'm excited!!
My temper tantrum won out. GAH! Tomorrow. I hope.

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Bill....I haven't been on here for long, but feel like we're all family here. As a family, we need one another and depend on one another....makes it easier than doing this journey alone. That means that we need you AND you need us. Take some time to think about this if you need to, but we all truly want you to return to our JUDD family!!

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ARGHH! I am exactly the same as last week, 210.5, and I desperately wanted to be in the single digits today. My body does evil things to me!

I am especially disappointed because I ate so clean and low calorie all week, experienced a lot of hunger on DDs (usually a sign of loss), followed my workout plan, and hoped to see a good result. But after I stepped off the scale and resisted the temptation to smash it , I reminded myself that my pattern is that there's at least one week each month when I register no loss at all on the scale--so I hope this is that week. Since I had a good loss last week, I shouldn't be complaining.

So I'll just keep on plugging and hope to see the scale move down next week
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Well, I'm down another two pounds...happy about that but feel like it could be more. I had a very successful DD yesterday until about 8PM when I decided to bake two desserts I needed to bring to a party tonight. Got to tasting and licking spoons and having a few of the chocolate chips etc, etc, etc. Not sure how many calories I consumed, but I know I didn't make my usual two trips to the bathroom last night and probably retained some fluid after consuming those carbs.

This is a critical time for me....big UD today with a gathering with friends (homemade lasagna on the menu) and the yummy desserts I made last night. My plan is to have a small portion of everything, or else I know I'll feel deprived. Going to try not to bring home any leftover desserts (although hubby might have something to say about that...sweet tooth that he is). So guess tomorrow is the more critical day of the two. I will need to make tomorrow a MD for sure...can't really afford two UD's this weekend.

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ARGHH! I am exactly the same as last week, 210.5, and I desperately wanted to be in the single digits today. My body does evil things to me!

I am especially disappointed because I ate so clean and low calorie all week, experienced a lot of hunger on DDs (usually a sign of loss), followed my workout plan, and hoped to see a good result. But after I stepped off the scale and resisted the temptation to smash it , I reminded myself that my pattern is that there's at least one week each month when I register no loss at all on the scale--so I hope this is that week. Since I had a good loss last week, I shouldn't be complaining.

So I'll just keep on plugging and hope to see the scale move down next week
Had to smile when I read your post, Leo....are we ever happy with our results? It's so easy for me to say to you, "but you lost 3 lb last week...hang in there and it will show up next week". But then again, you had a clean week and deserve to see that loss. Our bodies will do what they want I guess. I just pray to have your determination and consistency through all of this when my results don't live up to my expectations.
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Making desserts on a DD--are you insane??? Seriously, there's no way I can be cooking for others or baking, etc. on a DD. Some DDs, I'm ready to chew on the kitchen counter, so there's no way that I can be around food at all, much less scrumptious food.

And you also lost 2 lbs this morning? That's terrific
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Leo-I feel your frustration. We keep plugging along and think we know what our bodies
will do, but then they go and change the rules on us! I am right there with ya, thinking
I am going to have a good week, and alas, UP.

I worked so hard (translation: deprived myself) for 4 weeks on the 6wkcure and will admit I was disappointed with only a 5 lb loss, but I thought for sure the last week would be good losses because I am post TOM and usually that is the best part of my cycle for losing. Well, not only have I not lost, I have gained back two lbs. I am so
frustrated. I am the same weight I was 3 weeks ago. AARRGGGGHHH.

My only explanation I can think is that what Bloood Sugar 101 says, about how if you go from being in a state of deep ketosis, like I was on 6wkcure, back to a more typical WOE, you will bounce back 2-4 lbs because of the glycogen and water.
I have added some carbs back in on my up days, but it still is so annoying that after 3 good down days, I am up.
I may pull out my book, but I seem to recall Dr. Johnson saying that some do not lose and actually gain at the beginning. Did I dream that, or has anyone else had this experience?
It makes me want to never go back to hard core low carb again. I mean, if I know it isn't something I will stick to forever, then what is the point?

I should start weighing once a week, but I really feel I need to stay accountable by weighing at least after every down day. For me, I associate not weighing with not being on plan and it scares me. Like I am out of control.
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OnceNforall-- This is not a biggest loser-big losses every week kind of plan. Even tho I just vented about being frustrated with a gain, what makes me happy is that this is a plan I can stick with. Especially with the holidays coming up. It really adapts itself to that and even though the losses can be slow (especially compared to some of the new atkins-eers in the M.L.), they are STEADY. In the end, we are all still here (I have been here since april) and are still on plan.
In my experience here on LCF, there have been many who dropped weight real quick, but then have fallen by the wayside, usually when the losses start to slow down and the day to day monotony sets in. Those who have made it a permanent lifestyle and can accept a long slow process are the ones who keep it off. As we all know, losing lbs is great but keeping them off is what is important!!
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Old 10-17-2009, 08:53 AM   #223
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I have to weigh after every DD, or my head starts playing games with me-thanks for the tips, everyone.
Leo, I will have to notice that 1 week out of the month, no loss. I know it happens every once in awhile, I will have to watch that.
Somewhere back in the cobwebs of my mind, I remember reading that every 3 weeks in weight loss, our bodies hang on to fluid, even though we are using up fat in storage, it is replaced by water in the cells for a week or so,trying to hang on to the status quo, and then it comes off in a whoosh. Anyone else ever hear this or experience it?
Snaggle-I am adjusting back from the 6 week cure, also, trying to figure out how I can combine ideas. I am happy to be back in JUDDD to try and get the SIRT1 going again, I felt so much better the 2.5 months I did JUDDD faithfully-but I think it might take a little time to get the weight loss going again.
I sure had a lot of aches and pains when I went off JUDDD and tried the 6 week cure-, I was thinking detox,or possibly just an aftermath of the flu; but am anxious to see if and when that improves-it's miserable, can't sleep well. If it gets better on JUDDD again I will never try anything else.
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Nitenurse: Yeah, I have tried so many things over the years. Various quick fix diets, etc. and in all these years (37 to be exact), I have never found a plan that is a quick fix, quick loss type of thing for me. It is ALWAYS a bit slow and even if I show quick losses, like 3-4 lbs in a week, it is always followed by a stall period. Never fails.
I too, feel so much better to be back on Juddd.
I have spoken of our new Whole Foods that finally opened after years of delays. It is 3 min from my house and 1 block from my store. I have been there 4 x in the 4 days it has been open. It feels so good to be able to shop in all the departments, not just the meat/veggie isle. I mean, the soup bar alone has like 8 different soups! I bought some great olives last night and the bakery is amazing.
All the veggies are organic and they have the best selection of fish, poultry, etc.
So far it just is not that expensive. I ranted last week in the m.l. about a $6 spaghetti squash (the thread got removed because I mentioned my boycott of a big national chain that rhymes with Froger) I bought one last night for half the price at W.F. and it was organic. The checker asked how I was liking the new store and I just gushed at how happy I was for them to finally be open.
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I can totally relate to your "bounce up," and let's hope that it's temporary. One of the reasons I didn't bother with the 6-week cure (apart from no coffee-yikes!) is that when I tried meat/eggs to try to get some quick loss (and lasted less than a week because we hypos need some carbs), I lost about 4 lbs, but then gained 3 back as soon as I stopped--although I was very careful to transition to carbs (just veggies) very slowly. I suspect that any of these "jumpstart" solutions work the same way--we wind up not losing much for a lot of effort.

Nitenurse-
I never heard that theory about the body/water cycle, but I do know that when I look at my calendar since I've been on JUDDD (where I mark my weight each week), there's always one week during the month when there's no loss on the scale, and that lack of loss is unrelated to anything that I do (i.e., I'm eating and exercising the same as other weeks), so it must be something my body is doing on its own.

I've concluded that slow and steady is the only way for me to lose. Just low carb and JUDDD, and no other 'tweaks' for me.

The one change I've made recently in eliminating all grains and dairy seems to have impacted my sleep. In youth, I slept deep and well but with menopause came light, interrupted sleep. But now I'm sleeping deeply once again, and the deeper sleep coincides with my elimination of grains and wheat, so I think this change is good for my health.
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Looks like it has been a crazy week for some of us! Well, that's OK. Every day is a chance to have a better day.

I had a pretty good DD yesterday. About 600 calories. But I was a bit depressed again. I am beginning to wonder if my down days and depression are related. I want to get the book and read it. I will order it once I get started working and get paid. And i'm starting to monitor my moods and how they are related to how much I am eating. I got up and ate breakfast this morning--a couple of thick slices of ham along with my usual H&H coffee--and felt much better today.

Today is an up day. I have a baby shower to go to. I am bringing a veggie tray. I know there are going to be lots of snacks there. Since being LC for so long, I don't have the least interest in eating stuff like that any more. But I figured i could nibble on some veggies. Hubby is making his famous chicken wings for supper tonight.

My sister asked me to make some crispy rice cereal treats, in the shape of balls, for the shower. (She is throwing the shower for her son's pregnant girlfriend.) She's going to put popcicle sticks in them, then wrap cellophane around them with ribbons to make them look like baby rattles. So, last night after dinner, me & hubby were in the kitchen making a HUGE mess with crispy rice treats (yeah, I'm saying it like that to avoid legal entanglements. LOL) The stuff just sticks all over you!

I thought it was funny in an interesting way how it sort of grossed me out. A year ago, I could have eaten a whole pan of that stuff by myself. Now, I find it sort of icky.

Hubby told me to tell them he only sneezed in it once. LOL

I hope you all have a good day today and a great week coming up!

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I can totally relate to your "bounce up," and let's hope that it's temporary. One of the reasons I didn't bother with the 6-week cure (apart from no coffee-yikes!) is that when I tried meat/eggs to try to get some quick loss (and lasted less than a week because we hypos need some carbs), I lost about 4 lbs, but then gained 3 back as soon as I stopped--although I was very careful to transition to carbs (just veggies) very slowly. I suspect that any of these "jumpstart" solutions work the same way--we wind up not losing much for a lot of effort.


I've concluded that slow and steady is the only way for me to lose. Just low carb and JUDDD, and no other 'tweaks' for me. "


It is as if the losses weren't real losses at all, but just water/glycogen.
So frustrating because I had been so hopeful. I would have had such an easier time (and eaten better food) if I just would have stuck to juddd. The whole time I was doing it, it never felt right. I know I will lose again with this plan, I just gotta get my groove back.

Leo- let's just hope that next week is a stellar one for both of us.

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OnceNforall-- This is not a biggest loser-big losses every week kind of plan. Even tho I just vented about being frustrated with a gain, what makes me happy is that this is a plan I can stick with. Especially with the holidays coming up. It really adapts itself to that and even though the losses can be slow (especially compared to some of the new atkins-eers in the M.L.), they are STEADY. In the end, we are all still here (I have been here since april) and are still on plan.
In my experience here on LCF, there have been many who dropped weight real quick, but then have fallen by the wayside, usually when the losses start to slow down and the day to day monotony sets in. Those who have made it a permanent lifestyle and can accept a long slow process are the ones who keep it off. As we all know, losing lbs is great but keeping them off is what is important!!
Oh, Snaggle, I hear ya....was just frustrated cause weighing yesterday morning after an UD I had lost 1.5lb so far this week and was just hoping for more than .5lb added to it after my DD. I'm still of that mindset that if I've been "good" for two weeks, I should have lost at least 30lb by now... I'm excited that this plan is something I can stick to and live with and be flexible with. I'm not feeling deprived and that is wonderful. I'm probably eating too much on UD's right now, but that's okay until I get in the groove here. I'm just trying for clean DD's at the moment and was frustrated with my indiscretions last night while baking. I'll know better next time than to do it on on DD!!
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Sherrie ~ You're a brave, brave woman to bake on a DD! Like Leo said, I have to stay out of the cooking/baking mode on DDs. My hubby knows DD means "fend for yourself day" in terms of his meals. I can't even bring myself to make him dinner after he's worked all day, lol, but lucky for me, he's very understanding. As long as I keep something quick and easy for him to make in the house, he's just fine. I know you weren't completely satisfied with your loss this week, but let me just say I think it's awesome! Be proud!

Leo ~ I'm sorry your weigh in didn't go as well as you'd hoped. Good thing you keep a "diary" of sorts of your weekly progress so that you are aware of your weigh in patterns. That should give you comfort.

Snaggle ~ So, so sorry about your weigh in blues, as well. What you said about what's the point in doing something short term that you can't stick to long term is exactly the way I feel. That's why I won't get sucked into the low carb thing again, because I know me, and I know I can't do it forever. For me, I have to figure out a plan on which I can lose while still having carbs. So far, JUDDD has been that plan.

Which brings me to a question I have for anyone who wants to answer: I cannot/will not do low carb. However, sometimes I'll consider eating my hamburger without the bun or having some eggs without a slice of toast, etc, and I wonder if it's beneficial at all to limit breads sometimes but not all the time? In other words, am I just wasting my time by only doing this occasionally, or does every little bit help?
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I think as long as you're going to eat carbs, you should do whatever you feel like doing in any specific situation. I wouldn't deprive myself of a bun because I thought it might do some vague "good," but I would skip the bun if I didn't feel like eating it and/or wanted to save the calories. Even though I eat low carb, one of the things I like about Dr. J's attitude is that all foods are OK, and we should eat as well as we wish within the JUDDD parameters.

By the way, I love bread, and in the old days when I ate carbs, nothing would annoy me more than being in a restaurant where the bread wasn't worth eating! Usually I ate it anyway, but that was the 'old me.' Now, thanks to DDs, I don't waste calories on anything that doesn't meet my standards
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Leo ~ You continue to inspire me with your perseverance. You are so dedicated, and so level-headed about things - I was actually a little happy to read that you wanted to hurt the scale. Glad to know you are human after all

Snaggle ~ I think that phenomenon you mentioned (the automatic gain when you switch off any "extreme" program) is just MORE proof that everyone who preaches "calories in, calories out" or "you just have to burn more than you eat" makes weight loss out to be WAY easier than it is.

Sherrie ~ I'd take 2 lbs. Good job!

PMoon ~ if you think there's a link between DD and depression, here's my question: how do you eat the rest of the days? I wonder if you normally self-medicate with carbs, and taking them away (because you're watching calories --> eat significantly less) is the problem? I know you said you LC, but there are various definitions of the term Option 2: you aren't focused on food and therefore other issues, like depression, are just more apparent on DD?

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Which brings me to a question I have for anyone who wants to answer: I cannot/will not do low carb. However, sometimes I'll consider eating my hamburger without the bun or having some eggs without a slice of toast, etc, and I wonder if it's beneficial at all to limit breads sometimes but not all the time? In other words, am I just wasting my time by only doing this occasionally, or does every little bit help?
I think any time you don't eat a refined carb, that's a good thing. I do like you: I'm not on low carb, but I don't waste carbs/calories/stomach space on ANY day unless it's something I WANT.

Applegate Farms: For those of you with a Whole Foods or Trader Joes. I have been buying Applegate Farms meats, mostly for DD. They are organic and antibiotic free. Last night, I bought the turkey hot dogs. 60 calories, and not bad. They also have chicken, for 40 calories. Mostly protein. I also bought the regular beef hot dogs - 110 calories - for days when I have more wiggle room. (And Andouille Sausage for when I want a little kick.) It's all freezable. Any one of them, though not CHEAP, per se, works out to be under $1/meal. The salami and pepperoni are also GREAT. (I have days where I want to nibble.) Anyway, I highly recommend.

On a non-food-related note (mostly): I had an activity to do today that had me up extra early and out of the house. I considered grabbing breakfast, but no, today is a DD, and I shouldn't start a DD at 0645. I got to my location for the start of the day, and it was suggested that I eat breakfast, or I would be "too hungry" by the end of the event. No thank you. (Thinking, in the back of my mind, that hunger is ok and I can do hard things.) Even when they told me that yesterday, when one of my colleagues went on the same activity, he was dying because he didn't eat. No thank you. Went out, did the activity. 5 hours later, get back to shore. (We were out on a big ship in the middle of the Mississippi River.) The men I was with - who ate breakfast - had been talking about lunch for 2 hours at that point. We stopped at Subway. I got a drink. I really wasn't all that hungry. I made it back to my car, at 1:30PM, and was fine. No chewing off of appendages.

AND, when we went to get on the vessel, they told me, originally, that I would have to go up a rope ladder to get on it. I gulped and smiled and said ok. Because, in the back of my head, I heard y'all reminding me that I can do hard things - even when it's not food/diet related!
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Wow, what an inspiring story, gij! Thanks for sharing it.

Leo, you know your body so well. Great job on figuring out this past week's mystery instead of letting it discourage you. You are not plugging along, you are downright graceful at this!

Great loss, Sherrie! And you did it while baking.

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nitenurse, thanks for your report on feeling better during the time you were faithful to JUDDD. It has been similar for me.

PMoon, I don't know if it will help you or not, but I read that researchers have proved a correlation between mood and magnesium, and some think anxiety and depression may be relieved by adding magnesium to the diet or supplementing with it. Just a thought.

mistydisa, anytime you eat less white flour it is VIRTUOUS! In so many ways white flour is our enemy - not just the calories but making our bodies retain water and taking the caloric place of healthier choices. I am not particularly a low-carb eater, either (and here we are together on a low carb site!), but I know that my body benefits from leaving off the white flour.

I am down another half-pound after a good DD, so edging back to the goal with the "4" in the middle.

Oh, btw, does anyone have a recommendation of a blender/processor for small quantities? One of those hand-held jobs or one of the small food processors that would be no-hassle?

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Old 10-17-2009, 06:48 PM   #233
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small blender-I love my magic bullet, I use it 3 or 4 times a day.
This was a UD after a really low DD, and I had help here at the house and couldn't eat, I was about ready to chew my leg off by 6 pm when they finally left-project took much longer than we planned. No way could I do 2 DDs in a row, that 1.5 was really an eye opener.
I am with you all-if I am going to eat something really off my plan-it better be really, really, really good. most commercial white bread just makes good spit balls. Homemade bread, might be worth it.
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Old 10-17-2009, 06:53 PM   #234
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I don't think I eat enough carbs for that. But, I don't count them and I know that "enough" carbs is an amount that's going to vary for everyone. Basically, I eat no sugar of any kind, no grain, no starchy vegetables, and no fruit. I eat some dairy (5-10 carbs a day) and as many low-carb veggies as I want--which never amounts to more than two or three cups a day, cause I just don't want more veggies than that. Sometimes I will eat a tablespoon or two of peanut butter, maybe three times a week. (edited to add) Obviously, I eat meat & eggs in addition to that stuff, every day.

I for sure come from a long line of anti-depressant users! I don't even know if what I am experiencing is genuine depression. I just don't want to get out of bed. I'm listless, lethargic and very tired. I will stay in the bed as much as possible and only do the essential stuff that has to be done. It's more like a physical depression than a mental one. But I seem more vulnerable to stress on down days. I dunno what it is.

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Old 10-17-2009, 07:17 PM   #235
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I'm glad you guys are talking about depression. After 3 DDs in a row I fell into a depression. I tried laying down and letting it pass, but I mostly just sat and stared into space for half a day because life took too much energy.

I really like JUDDD philosophically, because mentally some days I can cut back and some days I can't. My week so far has been UD, DD, DD, DD, UD, UD and I've lost a pound. So I'm liking this plan, and plan to continue being flexible on what kind of day it is based on my mood.
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Old 10-17-2009, 07:35 PM   #236
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Cassandra ~~ Given your family history, it may well be more than just a mental issue going on. However...


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I for sure come from a long line of anti-depressant users! I don't even know if what I am experiencing is genuine depression. I just don't want to get out of bed. I'm listless, lethargic and very tired. I will stay in the bed as much as possible and only do the essential stuff that has to be done. It's more like a physical depression than a mental one. But I seem more vulnerable to stress on down days. I dunno what it is.
The line I bolded jumped out at me. If you're feeling the switch before you even get out of bed, I'm wondering if the key is what you eat on UD (since you haven't had any DD time before it "strikes"). Either that, or I would say it's depression over knowing you "can't" eat, you're anticipating what you won't get to do, something like that.

Unfortunately, I DON'T know what to say about that to help. I'm sorry you're struggling, though!
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Old 10-17-2009, 07:44 PM   #237
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The Ancel Keys studies show that calorie reduction causes depression. And they only reduced to 1500 cals for 6 months. A very moderate diet by most of our standards. One of the guys cut off several of his fingers not long after the study was over.

I think JUDDD can minimize this by letting you have the pleasure you seek now and then within reason, and then you buckle down when you're motivated and not depressed. Pay more attention to your own body though, not to some prescribed "plan."
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Beezle ~ Did I read your post correctly??? You did three DDs in a row???? Dr. J says never to do 2 back-to-back DDs... The whole theory is alternate day... "tricking" your metabolism. He says it takes as little as 40 hours of reduced calories to greatly slow your metabolism. That's the whole philosophy of this plan. He even stresses that if you cannot do "true" alternation or need to alter your schedule for some special event that you should do two UDs in a row instead of 2 DDs.

No wonder you were listless after 3 DDs in a row!
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The line I bolded jumped out at me. If you're feeling the switch before you even get out of bed, I'm wondering if the key is what you eat on UD (since you haven't had any DD time before it "strikes"). Either that, or I would say it's depression over knowing you "can't" eat, you're anticipating what you won't get to do, something like that.
What I'm eating on UD hasn't changed, that I can think of, over the past 7 months or so. But I am really thinking about the other thing... the possibility that I'm just bummed knowing that I won't be able to eat as much as I want. The idea doesn't seem completely impossible to me.

And that kinda makes me feel like big ol' TOOL! I may be getting all balled up at the thought of not being able to eat all day. That is something that requires some serious thought and attenion. KwiM?
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Cassandra-

All depression is chemical and, often, hormonal. Have you had your thyroid checked? I ask because when you mentioned that it seemed like a 'physical depression,' it reminded me of how I felt when my T3 [thyroid hormone] tanked completely. If you read on the thyroid thread on this board, you'll find that it is very difficult to get a diagnosis if you're hypothyroid. It took me about 5 years! And many of the women report that they were initially put on meds for depression when the problem actually was low thyroid. It's something to consider, since hypothyroid is very prevalent, and it also could explain your family history--i.e., undiagnosed thyroid problems.

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They actually sell Applegate Farms at my local supermarket, and I've had their bacon. However, lately I buy all my meat online, mainly bison and chicken, because I refuse to consider anything that might be 'factory farmed.' It's expensive, but I eat more fish than meat, and I can get good, wild fish locally.

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You are NOT doing JUDDD; not only your consecutive DDs, but your initial 820 cal DDs have nothing to do with this plan. You don't need to buy the book to understand the program. The website (you can Google it) has all the information you need if you want to do this plan. But if you decide to "do your own thing," [which is certainly reasonable] please don't call it JUDDD because you can mislead people about what this plan actually is.

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In yesterday's NY Times business section, there was an article about how the pharmaceutical industry is trying to develop new drugs for weight control to 'cash in' on the 'obesity epidemic.' They were quoted as saying it would be "bigger than statins." Of course, I wouldn't take a drug (most of them report results LESS than we're losing!), but one comment from medical experts really interested me. They explained that weight loss is difficult because "Our bodies are actually hardwired to maintain weight."

I guess that's why I feel that I'm constantly battling me body during this process; it really IS my enemy in the sense that it doesn't want what I want.

So to all fellow slow losers, that's why we have problems--our bodies are too strong.

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