OCT. JUDDD/Alternate Day Diet - Page 4

Leo41 · 10-09-2009, 03:30 PM

Good luck on the weigh in tomorrow, Gina. I've switched back to Saturdays myself because weighing on Tuesdays didn't really help me control myself on the weekends, and there's something about weighing in the middle of the week that's strange to me.

I did too much overeating a couple of weeks ago, and it's depressing to be trying to get back to my 'former' weight in mid-Sept. This experience proves to me that backsliding just isn't worth it! The pounds come off much too slowly and painfully to allow them to jump right back on

Ilpirata · 10-09-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GME

This time around I have been eating much more for lunch. Skipping breakfast isn't a big deal to me, but being hungry in the afternoon leads to all manner of bad decisions. A bigger lunch and then some carrots to snack on just before I go home from work makes the whole evening easier. Many times I just skip dinner altogether.

I am really hoping for some VFT at my weigh-in tomorrow. This is the end of third week. I lost some bounce pounds the first week, but nothing since.

From your keyboard to god's screen! Get it Girl.

Leo41 · 10-10-2009, 02:39 AM

Weekly Weigh In

A miracle! In my last post I mentioned my recent "dietary indiscretions" (too many calories, too many carbs) and that I was hoping to get back to my mid-September weight with a week of solid JUDDD/primal eating.

It turned out better than I expected! On 17 Sept., I was 213.5, and that was the number I was hoping to see this morning. Instead, it was 210.5! It's as though my body lost that regular pound each week, although it wasn't showing on the scale.

Was it the added carbs/calories that confused my body that was too used to low carb, low calorie? I prefer to think that it was my consistency in restricting calories [average<1000 per day as I know is necessary for me] and eating so clean (I eat no grains or dairy--only meat, fish, eggwhites, veggies).

This has encouraged me to keep to this program as perfectly as I did last week to see if I can get into onderland by Christmas (although I really don't like making weight/time goals because when my body hears about that, it resists even more to show me who's boss

)

onceNforall · 10-10-2009, 02:46 AM

The bad news is my DD calories yesterday turned out to be 650. I made the mistake of having a can of soup for dinner before I left for my meeting and didn't have enough protein and grabbed a light string cheese on my way out the door. That put me at 550 and when I came home at 8:30 I was starving and feeling light headed. I went to bed but was really feeling poorly and got up and grabbed a banana. Oh well, not the end of the world.

The good news is I got weighed this morning (at 5:30AM, cause I went to bed so dang early last night) and have managed to lose 5lb since Monday!!

I'll be weighing in on Saturdays so figured I'd weigh officially this morning, even though it's only been 5 days. I'm really happy with that loss, as I had lost 5lb the week before starting with a no flour/sugar week. So weighed 284 on 9/29 and 274 ten days later!

Feel much better with that bloat gone.

Now the true test....getting through the weekend without going overboard! Have a good weekend all.....

onceNforall · 10-10-2009, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo41

Weekly Weigh In

A miracle! In my last post I mentioned my recent "dietary indiscretions" (too many calories, too many carbs) and that I was hoping to get back to my mid-September weight with a week of solid JUDDD/primal eating.

It turned out better than I expected! On 17 Sept., I was 213.5, and that was the number I was hoping to see this morning. Instead, it was 210.5! It's as though my body lost that regular pound each week, although it wasn't showing on the scale.

Was it the added carbs/calories that confused my body that was too used to low carb, low calorie? I prefer to think that it was my consistency in restricting calories [average<1000 per day as I know is necessary for me] and eating so clean (I eat no grains or dairy--only meat, fish, eggwhites, veggies).

This has encouraged me to keep to this program as perfectly as I did last week to see if I can get into onderland by Christmas (although I really don't like making weight/time goals because when my body hears about that, it resists even more to show me who's boss

)

Oh, Leo....I'm so happy for you!!!!

Just posted and saw your good news! You really are an inspiration for your consistency and motivation. You really prove that "slow and steady wins the race". How exciting to think of entering the New Year in onederland. I'd like to see VFT for the New Year myself. Keep up the good work.

mistydisa · 10-10-2009, 04:58 AM

Leo & Sherrie ~ WAY TO GO! That's awesome, and I'm so thrilled for you!

GrammyPat · 10-10-2009, 05:18 AM

Congrats Leo and Sherrie!

Good job! That's so exciting to read about your success

. Leo, I'm so happy for you because we're about the same age, and I see how hard you work and how exacting you are about everything you eat! You are incredibly disciplined! and it's paying off! - way to go Woman!

My DD yesterday was 330 calories and boy was that tough! It was one of those "I could chew the legs off the table" type of days...but I kept drinking lots of water, had 3 diet sodas and am down today- woo hoo! I have actually broken through my plateau of 160 and as for the breathing, I didn't have to use my inhaler at all yesterday! That is nothing short of miraculous! and here's a tip I remember from the T-Tapp Forums; if you are of European or German descent, dairy products will make you gain weight especially around the face and chest! So since I'm from German stock, I decided to go 3 days with no yogurt or other dairy...I can't help but think this has helped me break through the plateau. Theresa Tapp says you can go 3 days w/o dairy and then 1 day with dairy (or something close to that).

Today, DH and I have a community picnic to work and attend....lots of food there. Thank goodness it's an UD today. Tomorrow we go to an Indian Festival downtown where there will be a ton more of food...thank goodness this WOE is so forgiving and easy to get back too!

Agee · 10-10-2009, 07:27 AM

True confessions...
I messed up yesterday. Had to make it an UD. But today I'm re-doing my DD so hopefully I'll get nicely back on track. I know I keep saying this, but the weight I'm at now is the weight my body LOVES to be at. LOVES. Won't give it up...I think that physically and psychologically I am plateauing and JUDDD is a way to break through. It's just been really tough this week!
I shall do it. Here's to a week of true alteration. Soon I will be below 170 and in VFT!
Think good thoughts for me, peeps.
A

snaggle · 10-10-2009, 07:48 AM

Sherrie-- Yowza, what a great week. Keep it up hon!

Leo, you are just my hero and really are our poster child for success.
One of the things I have learned from this 4 week foray back into very low carb eating (first two weeks was around 18 carbs, second two have netted around 13) is that it is NOT what I lose best on. I always thought that if I just kept it "cleaner" or stricter or lower, whatever, perhaps the pounds would melt off like they do for some. I have had
almost no cheese or dairy, no nuts, small amounts of veggies and fatty meats and eggs now for nearly two weeks and my weight has not budged.
What I am learning, which totally reinforces what I thought while doing JUDDD, is that for me, a few carbs do not mess up my weight loss, and actually having a real carby day here and there, gets me losing many times. My best losing weeks have always come in the weeks just after my "cheat" times. This makes me happy because I really like the variety in my up days that carbs bring. Clearly a carb based diet and sugar are bad things, but if I want some polenta with my roasted chicken or a few chips with my guacamole, it just makes it way more enjoyable.
Dr. Johnson wrote this plan with carbs and I think that is how it works. Not a lot, and not with junk, but definitely not as an atkins level either.
Can't wait to get back to it tuesday. Monday is my last day of the 6 week cure and I plan to make it a down day.

Leo41 · 10-10-2009, 08:04 AM

Sherrie-

You're doing great! Don't worry too much about your DD. One of the things that Dr. J mentions in his book that I think it's important to keep in mind is that so many people give up a healthy WOE because of frustration--i.e., it's too difficult--and he wants JUDDD to alleviate that frustration. As I've mentioned many times, that's why I do JUDDD because having to eat the low number of calories that enable me to lose weight on a daily basis was just too frustrating, and I wound up overeating every 5 days or so and thus stalling myself.

Don't let yourself get burned out on JUDDD. Relax--because even if you go up to 1000 cal on a DD, you can call it a MD, and then continue with an UD before your next DD. It can work that way, too. Although I'm not advocating always eating over on DDs, when it is unavoidable, it can easily be fixed. I find JUDDD very 'forgiving' in that way.

Misty-
Thanks for the support. It really helps a lot.

GrammyPat-
I gave up dairy a while ago as an 'experiment,' even though I love yoghurt. I suspected that I didn't feel my best with it. After a month, I tried it again, and I noticed that I really did feel much better without it. I love cheese, but I'm better off dairy-free. I did the same with grains, even though I was only eating my bran crackers with breakfast, and they are very low calorie, low carb. In that case, my reaction was much more apparent when I tried them again a month later. I actually had stomach cramping, so I think I have a slight sensitivity to gluten (I'm hypo, and supposedly that's common among us--since I was eating such a little bit on a regular basis, I just wasn't noticing the discomfort). Life is actually much simpler without either of them, and I'm feeling so much better, although I never realized I didn't feel totally well. I notice it in my energy level and in my sleep--I'm sleeping more deeply and comfortably than at any time in recent memory.

I guess my point is that at our 'age,' some of the things we're experiencing might not be age-related so much as food sensitivities that are so slight we don't realize we have them.

Agee-

I know exactly how you feel. My body seems to love being fat and refuses to drop weight unless I really force the issue

It seems to have gotten worse since I've been in VFT, but I also think that I have had to plow through some other "set points" on my way down. Many times when people get concerned about 'stalling,' it's just the body's resistance (of course, other times it's carb and/or calorie creep; I've done that too). My solution is to just get tougher on the body--i.e., I check to make sure I'm not the problem, and if I know I'm eating cleaning and exactly on plan, then I just continue until my body is forced to give up some weight.

That said, I also get incredibly discouraged when my body doesn't cooperate with my plans. It's difficult to stay on plan when we don't see the result we want.

Leo41 · 10-10-2009, 08:10 AM

Snaggle-

I think it's great that you are getting to understand your body's requirements like that. I agree wholeheartedly that if you can tolerate a certain level of carbs, whether regularly or occasionally, you should go for it.

I'm discovering that I do best without starch, grains, or sugar, but I need to include a LOT of veggies to keep my carbs up and feel and function best. I suspect it's because thanks to my hypo, my BG is high (fasting about 97), and I have a tendency to diabetes (2 sisters are diabetic). So by eating like a good diabetic, I'm avoiding getting the disease--I hope. I know that my body is responding very positively to this stricter eating. We all have to do what works for us.

nitenurse · 10-10-2009, 09:42 AM

Checking in-I am trying to do the 2nd phase of the 6 week cure, combined with JUDD, and I probably will screw up both, but I really don't think just doing a meat only will do much more for me than the first 2 weeks did. Will do it on the up days.
I did lose some inches and a few pounds on the 6 week Cure, but had a couple off days, and don't think I gave it a fair chance. I think I might try it again after the holidays, which I am hoping JUDD will get me through.
Anyway, got past one DD, and will be doing the meat only with minimum carbs today for my UD.
You all are really inspiring, with the way you make this work long term. Wow.

Leo41 · 10-10-2009, 11:41 AM

The Holidays

Nitenurse mentioned the holidays, and on the Main Lobby, BloodSugar101 posted about planning for the holidays, so I thought I'd mention my experience with JUDDD.

I heard of JUDDD for the first time early last December and explored the website. At the time, I was in a big stall (almost a year) and really frustrated. I hoped JUDDD would enable me restrict calories as much as I have to in order to lose, but not have to do it daily. But the main reason I wanted to try JUDDD was Christmas dinner!

I have to be really careful with carbs and calories both, and I dreaded a family dinner at which I'd have to "pick" at the few things I could eat with all the delicious food on the table. Nor did I want to 'pig out' and hate myself the next day. I just wanted to eat comfortably and without worrying about the scale.

So I thought, "If this JUDDD works, then I can make Christmas an UD, and I'll be OK." I think I began with my first DD about Dec. 17th, and I kept the schedule faithfully. I enjoyed Christmas dinner for the first time in years, and despite all the delicious food, I didn't have the least inclination to stuff myself. I continued losing throughout the holidays (very slowly, of course, but that's how I lose), and that experience is what converted me to JUDDD.

I've since had several brief vacations where I did 4 consecutive UDs, but gained little and was able to lose easily as soon as I got back home.

So if you're doing JUDDD, relax about the holidays--it really works!

Agee · 10-10-2009, 01:48 PM

Leo - refresh my memory - how much have you lost?
~*~*~*~*~*~*~
I am finally having a reasonable DD. (I say "finally" after 2 days! I'm so impatient).
Almost 5 pm, done eating, and I know I'll make it through.
Starting to dream about what I'll eat for breakfast...
A

BillB · 10-10-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo41

Weekly Weigh In

A miracle! In my last post I mentioned my recent "dietary indiscretions" (too many calories, too many carbs) and that I was hoping to get back to my mid-September weight with a week of solid JUDDD/primal eating.

It turned out better than I expected! On 17 Sept., I was 213.5, and that was the number I was hoping to see this morning. Instead, it was 210.5! It's as though my body lost that regular pound each week, although it wasn't showing on the scale.

Was it the added carbs/calories that confused my body that was too used to low carb, low calorie? I prefer to think that it was my consistency in restricting calories [average<1000 per day as I know is necessary for me] and eating so clean (I eat no grains or dairy--only meat, fish, eggwhites, veggies).

This has encouraged me to keep to this program as perfectly as I did last week to see if I can get into onderland by Christmas (although I really don't like making weight/time goals because when my body hears about that, it resists even more to show me who's boss

)

--bill

BillB · 10-10-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by onceNforall

So weighed 284 on 9/29 and 274 ten days later!

That's a great way to start any plan, isn't it? Success is such a good motivator. Even other peoples' success! Thanks for sharing!

--bill

PMoon · 10-10-2009, 06:45 PM

WOW at all the weight lost everyone.

I'm almost at the end of DD#6 today. I've had three cups of coffee and an egg. Trying to decide what I want for supper. Tuna? A TB of peanut butter? I dunno. I guess I need to crank up fit day and see what looks good LOL

Leo41 · 10-11-2009, 01:41 AM

Agee-
Since I started JUDDD last December, I've lost about 44 lbs. My total loss (over the last few years) has been 130 lbs, all on low carb. I had seriously stalled, and that's when I started JUDDD, and I'm really glad I did because of many other benefits other than weight loss.

Whitlin' · 10-11-2009, 05:53 AM

Hello, Redeemed! Nice to see you again, and thanks for stopping in! Yes, there are several happy success stories to continue reading here, aren't there!

Thank you , Kisha, for the advice to me. I appreciate it.

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I did lose some inches and a few pounds on the 6 week Cure - nitenurse

That's wonderful - every success with a new experiment is a worthwhile success, nitenurse and we learn something new to add to our arsenal! I don't think you messed up anything, but instead made progress to appreciate - inches are inches! Thanks for sharing how that went for you.

Congratulations to Leo. Your body may have some tantrums (fluctuations!) , yes, irritated it's not the "boss" all the time, but really, I think it's inevitable you will be in onederland soon. You are so practical and so consistent.

Teresa Tapp is a very knowledgeable health/fitness expert, Grammy Pat. I pay attention when she speaks, too. Lots of wisdom on hormones in relation to carb consumption, wise physical-therapy based safe exercise recommendations. Love her cheerful book.

Here, I've had to wade through the rest of the family getting sick, so stress and upside-down days have kept me from good UD/DD alternation. Hoping for a good down day today.

onceNforall · 10-11-2009, 06:24 AM

Thanks everyone for the encouraging words of support...nice to celebrate successes, but also nice to know everyone is there if we stumble too.

Leo.... I had no idea you had lost so much weight! How fantastic that after losing so much and then stalling, you were able to find JUDD and keep on losing. It is so hard for me to look at the big picture with all I have to lose. I get so impatient and I think that's been my problem with any WOE that I've tried. I want those big losses every week like the first one, and of course we all know that doesn't happen. Then I get discouraged if I only rack up a 1lb loss for a whole week of "being good". I know that I need to look at this as a lifestyle change and I think that's why I'm so hopeful about JUDD. I'm not feeling deprived and there's always "tomorrow" to look forward to. Just need to keep getting my DD's in and look forward to onederland someday myself. I know you're going to make it!!

I got on the scale this morning after a high carb, high fat UD yesterday and was relieved to only see a 1lb gain. I know it's not recommended to weigh after an UD, but I'm a person who really needs to keep track of what's going on with that scale on a daily basis. I easily can gain 5lb on a "bad" weekend of eating, so seeing the scale increase yesterday will help me to monitor today much better. I also graph my weight daily as I'm a visual learner...hoping between that and journaling what I'm eating that it will help me learn what foods my body handles well and those it doesn't. This is such a learning process!

I get my new appliances for the kitchen on Tuesday and can start cooking again...can't wait! (We've been remodeling the kitchen, started in August, and I've been without a stove/sink for over a month. Old fridge is out in the garage, so at least that helps) We've been eating out or ordering in A LOT and that's made it even more difficult. Never thought I would be looking forward to cooking...

GME · 10-11-2009, 07:59 AM

Congratulations Leo & Sherrie. The weight loss news is fabulous!

I have a little good news myself. I was down 1.5 lbs yesterday! Finally a little movement.

I am really liking the MWF rotation. I don't have nearly the urge to overeat on UDs I used to have.

Leo41 · 10-11-2009, 09:39 AM

Gina-

Congratulations on the loss! You're doing great.

Sherrie-

I don't know how you can do any decent eating without a kitchen! In your situation, I'd be inclined to wait until the renovation is over, so anything you attempt is heroic

I don't want to rain on your parade (or approach to weight loss), but I thought I'd share something about my journey. I began way more than you are now--about 340, and if I ever thought of the entire process, I think I would have been frustrated very early on. Throughout, I've focused on the 'decade'--i.e., ten pound increments. And I also didn't wonder whether or not I'd ever achieve my optimum weight. My goal was to 'weigh less' and to eat more healthily. So my advice would be to concentrate on small goals--next 5 pounds, for example. And in the process, "tinker"--i.e., anytime I didn't have a loss, I'd examine why--too many calories? carbs?--and adjust accordingly.

In the beginning, I didn't weigh myself regularly at all. At the time, I had a very demanding job that enabled me to quite easily skip lunch every day, so I had two meals, breakfast and supper, and drank diet soda or water throughout the day. I had done Atkins years ago and knew carbs were poison for me, and I also knew what to eliminate, so I didn't do a "plan" but just eliminated starch and sugar, etc. I was also undiagnosed hypothyroid for several years and post-menopausal (two strikes against loss), and yet I lost--slowly, but it began to add up.

Neither of my primary doctors (the older one retired and a younger one assumed the practice) was the least big encouraging. They didn't comment on my weight when I was at my highest, and as I lost, they didn't comment either--except once to ask if I was dieting (to exclude illness, I suppose). In a way, I was happy with their disinterest because it's awful to be 'nagged' about losing weight when one is either not ready to hear or is desperately trying.

When I was finally diagnosed as hypothyroid, my first endo was equally unconcerned, telling me that she, too, struggled with her weight. But my current guy is wonderful. When I first went to him, he never mentioned my weight, but as I lost, he rejoiced with me over every pound. If I ever get depressed over the slowness, he cheers me up. Fortunately, I see him every 4 months, and it's good to get his suppport each time. The support from LCF has been invaluable.

I tell you all this because I wonder whether you aren't too focused on the enormity of the journey ahead? I personally find weighing more than once a week to be counter-productive because I often have a "bounce up" (especially with JUDDD, but on any plan) that's dispiriting even though I know it's just water retention or something like that. I've even discovered that although I've been losing at a steady rate on JUDDD, I don't lose every week--regardless of how carefully I eat. If it wasn't for my age and medical issues (which require me to continually 'tinker' with my WOE), I'd probably be better off weighing once a month.

That's my final point. I think when there's a lot to lose, too close attention to the process can cause frustration. Perhaps that's why you get frustrated?
I'm no psychologist; I'm just projecting from my own experience, and we're all unique, so this may not apply to you at all.

BillB · 10-11-2009, 02:36 PM

Hey everybody!

It's great to see so many people here, and to see everyone following his/her plan.

I had a vacation from everything, including alternate day for about 9 days. I am happy with my decision to not try to do DDs while vacationing / traveling. I had lots of plans with friends that involved eating out, cooking out, etc. I did remain mindful of what I was eating (something I absolutely believe I learned via the alternate day plan). I have been tracking both on ****** and Livestrong (both have features that I like as well as others that I don't) and based on that data, I had decided to try and up the protein and cut the fat somewhat. When eating out, I chose more grilled chicken and less (alas) steak (*disclaimer: I am a steak advocate, and will always eat it. I might choose to eat it less depending on my budget and the ratio of fat/protein I choose at any given time). I did not eat after 8pm on any day. I skipped meals when I didn't feel hungry. And overall, I continued to eat less food. Even taking a full week "off" I did not change my daily calorie intake averaged over the past two months. (Around 1750, if anyone is curious).

I guess I will share my Trader Joe's story here. I love, love, love Trader Joe's. There isn't one near my home, but there are a couple in the area I was visiting--so I went there as soon as I could, so I could stock my mini-fridge. I got heavy cream (to go with my excellent free hotel coffee--which mysteriously comes only with nasty powdered "creamer"), red pepper, celery, pre-cooked uncured bacon (way better than I expected it to be, but pricey), macadamia nuts (not as good as nuts I usually get at TJ's. Their "best by" date was less than a month away, and the nuts taste slightly rancid. I get better ones at Walgreen's.), cheese curds, smoked gouda, Hanson's Diet Black Cherry sodas (I have almost completely cut out AS, but this was a treat I allowed myself), fresh mozzarella, pesto (I love sliced fresh mozz with sliced red bell pepper, with pesto drizzled over it), sharp cheddar pub cheese (insanely good). I also had in my cart (but made myself put back): dark chocolate, low-carb bread, Fage, chocolate yogurt (unbelievably good), blueberry yogurt, those very very very thin sesame and multi-grain crackers (also unbelievably good). All of those items are "acceptably low carb" if you can only have a tiny portion, and if you don't have more than one of them on-hand at once. In addition, the low-carb bread and crackers (except for those crackers that used to be called Cheeters) cause me cravings, stalls, issues. I have portion control with all of those things, and I just decided I was better off not having them. And I was right.

My BG levels are still in the 120s-130s most of the time, disappointing since 3 weeks ago, I was routinely staying under 110 all day. I have made no significant changes in anything, except that I am more stressed than usual.

Today is my first DD after vacation. I almost made yesterday a DD, but was traveling, a little stressed and decided to not add to my stress. So....almost 1400 cals yesterday. Today I will breeze through with under 500 cals. All poultry and green beans today.

Despite my preference to avoid AS, I am considering adding some Met RX shakes (55 grams of protein from whey) to help me up my protein. I am very concerned with losing muscle mass (don't want that!) and I am slightly concerned about not getting enough protein (in general, but especially on DDs).

That's all for me today....I hope everybody is doing great!

--bill

onceNforall · 10-11-2009, 04:06 PM

Gina... Congratulations on your loss!!

Leo...You may be right. I know I look at the whole picture way too much...need to have small goals for myself. I am really addicted to the scale. I'm one of these people that are on it morning and night faithfully. I think it would be harder for me to give that up than food! But if I see myself getting discouraged with the fluctuation in this WOE, I will try to go to a weekly weigh in.

Bill...Good for you being so focused on vacation and keeping your portion control under control! It's so easy to throw in the towel on vacation. Glad to have you back with us and a DD tomorrow.

giJ · 10-11-2009, 06:05 PM

I've been totally off plan for a few days, but seeing all these great losses is great motivation, and I'm back on track as of TODAY -- DD came in at 360 calories. (I had planned on having 2 UD in a row, no problem, right? Well, then my Thursday DD became an UD, so I had 4 UD in a row, and my Tuesday DD hadn't been great.) I have another long weekend coming up in 2 weeks, so I'm going to be OP for the next 11 days, eat sensibly for the 4 days (umm... as sensibly as I can while playing tour guide in the food and alcohol capital of the US

) and get back OP.

In the meantime, my usual camera-avoidance self had a decent photo taken this weekend, so... here you have it: 35ish lbs lost.

The first pic is from a wedding, and was one of the pics that inspired the weightloss (I'm not brave enough to post the full body shot that did it). The second is from this weekend - almost half way to goal.

Leo41 · 10-12-2009, 07:57 AM

Bill-

I think you did great while on vacation. That rise in BG is surely from stress. My sister is a type2, and she has a very stressful job. On particularly stressful days, she can see her BG skyrocket. Can you find ways to alleviate stress? Exercise or meditation?

giJ-

You look sensational--looks like goal to me!

I, too, am thinking ahead because I have to go to Disney for a business conference (3 days) early next month. Fortunately, I checked out some of their restaurants online, and the menus aren't enticing, so I don't think I'll have any problem ignoring most of the junk. I may even try for a DD while I'm there, but that might be impossible.

snaggle · 10-12-2009, 08:36 AM

Back to Juddding! Mark and I decided to call it done with the 6 week cure since phase 3 is basically just a maintenance plan anyway, without very strict guidelines. We both lost 5 lbs in 4 weeks. Not exactly stellar, but fine. I think the first two weeks with zero booze, and caffeine was probably a good thing. Always good to give the liver a detox from time to time. The second two weeks was very low carb, no dairy. This was where I had hoped to really drop some lbs, but it didn't happen. Oh well.

So here I am, still 9 lbs from goal (weighed 149 this a.m.)and having my first down day in a month. It feels good. I am hoping to get my SIRT gene back soon. I wonder if any of it is still activated?
My goal is to lose the 9 lbs by Thanksgiving week, but if it does not happen, that is okay. What I am happy about is that I have a plan that will serve me well throughout the holidays. I also am going to Mexico for 9 days in Dec. and will not be doing any down days. I will walk a lot and really try to keep portions reasonable, but I figure I will probably gain a few lbs. Again, I am okay with that.

Gij- you look great! How long has it taken you to lose the 35? I know you have been with us for a while, but I can't remember where you were at when you started JUDDD.

Kisha- You sound like you are really back on track. VFT- here you come!!!

Bill- I love your attitude about food and vacations too. I feel the same way.

Sherrie- I admire your perseverence with no kitchen. I use our grill a lot, but it is starting to get rainy and cold. I hope you get set up soon. Nothing more fun than a new kitchen!! As a designer, kitchens are my favorite room to design. You will have to post pictures.

nitenurse · 10-12-2009, 08:56 AM

Welcome back to both of us, Snaggle, I gave up on the Cure after the 2 weeks, thought I could do the "meat weeks" by using atkins and JUDDD, and it sure feels good to be back on this plan-my second DD was much easier, and 2 UD today, and I am not hungry yet.
What I noticed before on JUDDD, and it's back again, is that my ketosis (purple stix) is much more evident on JUDDD, all the time, including the UDs. That is a real indication for me that I am on track more on this plan than on anything else.
I did take off the weight I had gained in my crazy wedding reunion month with the Cure, I think I may try it again in January, at least for the first 2 weeks, if I need to jolt my body if it is stalling.

Ilpirata · 10-12-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo41

Weekly Weigh In

A miracle! In my last post I mentioned my recent "dietary indiscretions" (too many calories, too many carbs) and that I was hoping to get back to my mid-September weight with a week of solid JUDDD/primal eating.

It turned out better than I expected! On 17 Sept., I was 213.5, and that was the number I was hoping to see this morning. Instead, it was 210.5! It's as though my body lost that regular pound each week, although it wasn't showing on the scale.

Was it the added carbs/calories that confused my body that was too used to low carb, low calorie? I prefer to think that it was my consistency in restricting calories [average<1000 per day as I know is necessary for me] and eating so clean (I eat no grains or dairy--only meat, fish, eggwhites, veggies).

This has encouraged me to keep to this program as perfectly as I did last week to see if I can get into onderland by Christmas (although I really don't like making weight/time goals because when my body hears about that, it resists even more to show me who's boss

)

OMG YAY!!!! You are getting smaller and smaller... 44 pounds in the last year(ish) is absolutely PHENOMENAL!

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Originally Posted by onceNforall

The bad news is my DD calories yesterday turned out to be 650. I made the mistake of having a can of soup for dinner before I left for my meeting and didn't have enough protein and grabbed a light string cheese on my way out the door. That put me at 550 and when I came home at 8:30 I was starving and feeling light headed. I went to bed but was really feeling poorly and got up and grabbed a banana. Oh well, not the end of the world.

The good news is I got weighed this morning (at 5:30AM, cause I went to bed so dang early last night) and have managed to lose 5lb since Monday!!

I'll be weighing in on Saturdays so figured I'd weigh officially this morning, even though it's only been 5 days. I'm really happy with that loss, as I had lost 5lb the week before starting with a no flour/sugar week. So weighed 284 on 9/29 and 274 ten days later!

Feel much better with that bloat gone.

Now the true test....getting through the weekend without going overboard! Have a good weekend all.....

Look at you girl! Ten pounds in a week is so kick ass.

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Originally Posted by GrammyPat

Congrats Leo and Sherrie!

Good job! That's so exciting to read about your success

. Leo, I'm so happy for you because we're about the same age, and I see how hard you work and how exacting you are about everything you eat! You are incredibly disciplined! and it's paying off! - way to go Woman!

My DD yesterday was 330 calories and boy was that tough! It was one of those "I could chew the legs off the table" type of days...but I kept drinking lots of water, had 3 diet sodas and am down today- woo hoo! I have actually broken through my plateau of 160 and as for the breathing, I didn't have to use my inhaler at all yesterday! That is nothing short of miraculous! and here's a tip I remember from the T-Tapp Forums; if you are of European or German descent, dairy products will make you gain weight especially around the face and chest! So since I'm from German stock, I decided to go 3 days with no yogurt or other dairy...I can't help but think this has helped me break through the plateau. Theresa Tapp says you can go 3 days w/o dairy and then 1 day with dairy (or something close to that).

Today, DH and I have a community picnic to work and attend....lots of food there. Thank goodness it's an UD today. Tomorrow we go to an Indian Festival downtown where there will be a ton more of food...thank goodness this WOE is so forgiving and easy to get back too!

Sounds like you're doing awesome!

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Originally Posted by Agee

True confessions...
I messed up yesterday. Had to make it an UD. But today I'm re-doing my DD so hopefully I'll get nicely back on track. I know I keep saying this, but the weight I'm at now is the weight my body LOVES to be at. LOVES. Won't give it up...I think that physically and psychologically I am plateauing and JUDDD is a way to break through. It's just been really tough this week!
I shall do it. Here's to a week of true alteration. Soon I will be below 170 and in VFT!
Think good thoughts for me, peeps.
A

MEH. True Confessions = ME TOO LOL. I had a crazy little carbicide episode last night that basically looked like THREE bowls of cereal two pieces of bread and three crappy little cookies. MEH. Back on track today. DD

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Originally Posted by snaggle

Sherrie-- Yowza, what a great week. Keep it up hon!

Leo, you are just my hero and really are our poster child for success.
One of the things I have learned from this 4 week foray back into very low carb eating (first two weeks was around 18 carbs, second two have netted around 13) is that it is NOT what I lose best on. I always thought that if I just kept it "cleaner" or stricter or lower, whatever, perhaps the pounds would melt off like they do for some. I have had
almost no cheese or dairy, no nuts, small amounts of veggies and fatty meats and eggs now for nearly two weeks and my weight has not budged.
What I am learning, which totally reinforces what I thought while doing JUDDD, is that for me, a few carbs do not mess up my weight loss, and actually having a real carby day here and there, gets me losing many times. My best losing weeks have always come in the weeks just after my "cheat" times. This makes me happy because I really like the variety in my up days that carbs bring. Clearly a carb based diet and sugar are bad things, but if I want some polenta with my roasted chicken or a few chips with my guacamole, it just makes it way more enjoyable.
Dr. Johnson wrote this plan with carbs and I think that is how it works. Not a lot, and not with junk, but definitely not as an atkins level either.
Can't wait to get back to it tuesday. Monday is my last day of the 6 week cure and I plan to make it a down day.

Glad you're back on JUDD and thanks for the report on the six week cure. I was eyeballing that plan but the no caffeine pretty much makes it a no go for me.

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Originally Posted by GME

Congratulations Leo & Sherrie. The weight loss news is fabulous!

I have a little good news myself. I was down 1.5 lbs yesterday! Finally a little movement.

I am really liking the MWF rotation. I don't have nearly the urge to overeat on UDs I used to have.

GINA! You must be looking spectacular sister... especially with all that running you do.

BILL - TRADER JOE'S OMG I love that place. LOVE.

snaggle · 10-12-2009, 09:10 AM

Nitenurse-When I started 6WC, I thought I would hate the "shake weeks", but I actually enjoyed them. It almost felt like down days every day. What did not feel right to me were the "meat weeks". I was craving more veggies and really missed some cheese/dairy.
Do you lowcarb when doing JUDDD? how low?
I had my best successes with JUDDD, when I was keeping it low-ish, but no junk. For me, I need to really monitor them, and allow 40-50 grams per day I think. I will go back and review my food journals and make sure I am right, but I do know that at that level, I really enjoy my food, and do not feel deprived. I just hope I am right in my assessment that I can lose at that level.

10-10-2009, 02:39 AM	#93
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,426 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Weekly Weigh In A miracle! In my last post I mentioned my recent "dietary indiscretions" (too many calories, too many carbs) and that I was hoping to get back to my mid-September weight with a week of solid JUDDD/primal eating. It turned out better than I expected! On 17 Sept., I was 213.5, and that was the number I was hoping to see this morning. Instead, it was 210.5! It's as though my body lost that regular pound each week, although it wasn't showing on the scale. Was it the added carbs/calories that confused my body that was too used to low carb, low calorie? I prefer to think that it was my consistency in restricting calories [average<1000 per day as I know is necessary for me] and eating so clean (I eat no grains or dairy--only meat, fish, eggwhites, veggies). This has encouraged me to keep to this program as perfectly as I did last week to see if I can get into onderland by Christmas (although I really don't like making weight/time goals because when my body hears about that, it resists even more to show me who's boss)

10-10-2009, 02:46 AM	#94
onceNforall Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: upstate NY Posts: 953 Gallery: onceNforall Stats: 293.5/288.0/Onederland WOE: WW Start Date: 2/15/13	Good News and Bad News..... The bad news is my DD calories yesterday turned out to be 650. I made the mistake of having a can of soup for dinner before I left for my meeting and didn't have enough protein and grabbed a light string cheese on my way out the door. That put me at 550 and when I came home at 8:30 I was starving and feeling light headed. I went to bed but was really feeling poorly and got up and grabbed a banana. Oh well, not the end of the world. The good news is I got weighed this morning (at 5:30AM, cause I went to bed so dang early last night) and have managed to lose 5lb since Monday!! I'll be weighing in on Saturdays so figured I'd weigh officially this morning, even though it's only been 5 days. I'm really happy with that loss, as I had lost 5lb the week before starting with a no flour/sugar week. So weighed 284 on 9/29 and 274 ten days later! Feel much better with that bloat gone. Now the true test....getting through the weekend without going overboard! Have a good weekend all..... __________________ SHERRIE....Just taking one day at a time 66 years young

10-10-2009, 07:27 AM	#98
Agee Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: NC Posts: 1,564 Gallery: Agee Stats: 191.6/see sig(r3hHCG)/135 WOE: R3hHCG:P2 Start Date: 2/10/2013(r1);4/2/2013 (r2);5/19/2013(r3)	True confessions... I messed up yesterday. Had to make it an UD. But today I'm re-doing my DD so hopefully I'll get nicely back on track. I know I keep saying this, but the weight I'm at now is the weight my body LOVES to be at. LOVES. Won't give it up...I think that physically and psychologically I am plateauing and JUDDD is a way to break through. It's just been really tough this week! I shall do it. Here's to a week of true alteration. Soon I will be below 170 and in VFT! Think good thoughts for me, peeps. A __________________ 2/13: R1 hHCG: 191 --> 178 4/13: R2 hHCG:183 -->171.2 5/19: R3hHCG:177;d2:176.4;d3:174.8;d4:174.4:d5:172.2

10-11-2009, 02:36 PM	#113
BillB Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NC Posts: 672 Gallery: BillB Stats: 450+/293/200................ A1C: 12.4--->5.2 WOE: Atkins/VLC/Alternate Day--1g Metformin twice a day Start Date: Last restart, June 2009 at 450+	Hey everybody! It's great to see so many people here, and to see everyone following his/her plan. I had a vacation from everything, including alternate day for about 9 days. I am happy with my decision to not try to do DDs while vacationing / traveling. I had lots of plans with friends that involved eating out, cooking out, etc. I did remain mindful of what I was eating (something I absolutely believe I learned via the alternate day plan). I have been tracking both on ****** and Livestrong (both have features that I like as well as others that I don't) and based on that data, I had decided to try and up the protein and cut the fat somewhat. When eating out, I chose more grilled chicken and less (alas) steak (*disclaimer: I am a steak advocate, and will always eat it. I might choose to eat it less depending on my budget and the ratio of fat/protein I choose at any given time). I did not eat after 8pm on any day. I skipped meals when I didn't feel hungry. And overall, I continued to eat less food. Even taking a full week "off" I did not change my daily calorie intake averaged over the past two months. (Around 1750, if anyone is curious). I guess I will share my Trader Joe's story here. I love, love, love Trader Joe's. There isn't one near my home, but there are a couple in the area I was visiting--so I went there as soon as I could, so I could stock my mini-fridge. I got heavy cream (to go with my excellent free hotel coffee--which mysteriously comes only with nasty powdered "creamer"), red pepper, celery, pre-cooked uncured bacon (way better than I expected it to be, but pricey), macadamia nuts (not as good as nuts I usually get at TJ's. Their "best by" date was less than a month away, and the nuts taste slightly rancid. I get better ones at Walgreen's.), cheese curds, smoked gouda, Hanson's Diet Black Cherry sodas (I have almost completely cut out AS, but this was a treat I allowed myself), fresh mozzarella, pesto (I love sliced fresh mozz with sliced red bell pepper, with pesto drizzled over it), sharp cheddar pub cheese (insanely good). I also had in my cart (but made myself put back): dark chocolate, low-carb bread, Fage, chocolate yogurt (unbelievably good), blueberry yogurt, those very very very thin sesame and multi-grain crackers (also unbelievably good). All of those items are "acceptably low carb" if you can only have a tiny portion, and if you don't have more than one of them on-hand at once. In addition, the low-carb bread and crackers (except for those crackers that used to be called Cheeters) cause me cravings, stalls, issues. I have portion control with all of those things, and I just decided I was better off not having them. And I was right. My BG levels are still in the 120s-130s most of the time, disappointing since 3 weeks ago, I was routinely staying under 110 all day. I have made no significant changes in anything, except that I am more stressed than usual. Today is my first DD after vacation. I almost made yesterday a DD, but was traveling, a little stressed and decided to not add to my stress. So....almost 1400 cals yesterday. Today I will breeze through with under 500 cals. All poultry and green beans today. Despite my preference to avoid AS, I am considering adding some Met RX shakes (55 grams of protein from whey) to help me up my protein. I am very concerned with losing muscle mass (don't want that!) and I am slightly concerned about not getting enough protein (in general, but especially on DDs). That's all for me today....I hope everybody is doing great! --bill __________________ "I read this book about how some scientists tried to get primates to paint. For 10 years they worked on it, and nothing happened. Then, one of the monkeys suddenly began to paint, and what it painted were the bars of its cage. So, in my writing, I believe I'm painting the bars of my cage so that I can get out. This is something you have to get done before you can meaningfully move on in any way."--Ferron

10-11-2009, 06:05 PM	#115
giJ Major LCF Poster! Join Date: May 2004 Location: NOVA Posts: 1,098 Gallery: giJ Stats: Size 18W+/8 WOE: My own - low carb, high fat, calorie controlled Start Date: You mean this time? 9 Jan 2012	I've been totally off plan for a few days, but seeing all these great losses is great motivation, and I'm back on track as of TODAY -- DD came in at 360 calories. (I had planned on having 2 UD in a row, no problem, right? Well, then my Thursday DD became an UD, so I had 4 UD in a row, and my Tuesday DD hadn't been great.) I have another long weekend coming up in 2 weeks, so I'm going to be OP for the next 11 days, eat sensibly for the 4 days (umm... as sensibly as I can while playing tour guide in the food and alcohol capital of the US ) and get back OP. In the meantime, my usual camera-avoidance self had a decent photo taken this weekend, so... here you have it: 35ish lbs lost. The first pic is from a wedding, and was one of the pics that inspired the weightloss (I'm not brave enough to post the full body shot that did it). The second is from this weekend - almost half way to goal. __________________ Dieting to look good in cute clothes. Exercising to look good without them --- I can do Hard Things.

10-09-2009, 03:30 PM	#91
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,426 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Good luck on the weigh in tomorrow, Gina. I've switched back to Saturdays myself because weighing on Tuesdays didn't really help me control myself on the weekends, and there's something about weighing in the middle of the week that's strange to me. I did too much overeating a couple of weeks ago, and it's depressing to be trying to get back to my 'former' weight in mid-Sept. This experience proves to me that backsliding just isn't worth it! The pounds come off much too slowly and painfully to allow them to jump right back on

10-10-2009, 04:58 AM	#96
mistydisa Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 479 Gallery: mistydisa Stats: 224/199/150 WOE: Hhcg Start Date: Sept. 30, 2010	Leo & Sherrie ~ WAY TO GO! That's awesome, and I'm so thrilled for you!

10-10-2009, 05:18 AM	#97
GrammyPat Senior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 105 Gallery: GrammyPat WOE: JUDDD Start Date: December 2008	Congrats Leo and Sherrie! Good job! That's so exciting to read about your success . Leo, I'm so happy for you because we're about the same age, and I see how hard you work and how exacting you are about everything you eat! You are incredibly disciplined! and it's paying off! - way to go Woman! My DD yesterday was 330 calories and boy was that tough! It was one of those "I could chew the legs off the table" type of days...but I kept drinking lots of water, had 3 diet sodas and am down today- woo hoo! I have actually broken through my plateau of 160 and as for the breathing, I didn't have to use my inhaler at all yesterday! That is nothing short of miraculous! and here's a tip I remember from the T-Tapp Forums; if you are of European or German descent, dairy products will make you gain weight especially around the face and chest! So since I'm from German stock, I decided to go 3 days with no yogurt or other dairy...I can't help but think this has helped me break through the plateau. Theresa Tapp says you can go 3 days w/o dairy and then 1 day with dairy (or something close to that). Today, DH and I have a community picnic to work and attend....lots of food there. Thank goodness it's an UD today. Tomorrow we go to an Indian Festival downtown where there will be a ton more of food...thank goodness this WOE is so forgiving and easy to get back too!

10-10-2009, 07:48 AM	#99
snaggle Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: seattle Posts: 1,451 Gallery: snaggle WOE: juddd-5:2	Sherrie-- Yowza, what a great week. Keep it up hon! Leo, you are just my hero and really are our poster child for success. One of the things I have learned from this 4 week foray back into very low carb eating (first two weeks was around 18 carbs, second two have netted around 13) is that it is NOT what I lose best on. I always thought that if I just kept it "cleaner" or stricter or lower, whatever, perhaps the pounds would melt off like they do for some. I have had almost no cheese or dairy, no nuts, small amounts of veggies and fatty meats and eggs now for nearly two weeks and my weight has not budged. What I am learning, which totally reinforces what I thought while doing JUDDD, is that for me, a few carbs do not mess up my weight loss, and actually having a real carby day here and there, gets me losing many times. My best losing weeks have always come in the weeks just after my "cheat" times. This makes me happy because I really like the variety in my up days that carbs bring. Clearly a carb based diet and sugar are bad things, but if I want some polenta with my roasted chicken or a few chips with my guacamole, it just makes it way more enjoyable. Dr. Johnson wrote this plan with carbs and I think that is how it works. Not a lot, and not with junk, but definitely not as an atkins level either. Can't wait to get back to it tuesday. Monday is my last day of the 6 week cure and I plan to make it a down day.

10-10-2009, 08:04 AM	#100
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,426 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Sherrie- You're doing great! Don't worry too much about your DD. One of the things that Dr. J mentions in his book that I think it's important to keep in mind is that so many people give up a healthy WOE because of frustration--i.e., it's too difficult--and he wants JUDDD to alleviate that frustration. As I've mentioned many times, that's why I do JUDDD because having to eat the low number of calories that enable me to lose weight on a daily basis was just too frustrating, and I wound up overeating every 5 days or so and thus stalling myself. Don't let yourself get burned out on JUDDD. Relax--because even if you go up to 1000 cal on a DD, you can call it a MD, and then continue with an UD before your next DD. It can work that way, too. Although I'm not advocating always eating over on DDs, when it is unavoidable, it can easily be fixed. I find JUDDD very 'forgiving' in that way. Misty- Thanks for the support. It really helps a lot. GrammyPat- I gave up dairy a while ago as an 'experiment,' even though I love yoghurt. I suspected that I didn't feel my best with it. After a month, I tried it again, and I noticed that I really did feel much better without it. I love cheese, but I'm better off dairy-free. I did the same with grains, even though I was only eating my bran crackers with breakfast, and they are very low calorie, low carb. In that case, my reaction was much more apparent when I tried them again a month later. I actually had stomach cramping, so I think I have a slight sensitivity to gluten (I'm hypo, and supposedly that's common among us--since I was eating such a little bit on a regular basis, I just wasn't noticing the discomfort). Life is actually much simpler without either of them, and I'm feeling so much better, although I never realized I didn't feel totally well. I notice it in my energy level and in my sleep--I'm sleeping more deeply and comfortably than at any time in recent memory. I guess my point is that at our 'age,' some of the things we're experiencing might not be age-related so much as food sensitivities that are so slight we don't realize we have them. Agee- I know exactly how you feel. My body seems to love being fat and refuses to drop weight unless I really force the issue It seems to have gotten worse since I've been in VFT, but I also think that I have had to plow through some other "set points" on my way down. Many times when people get concerned about 'stalling,' it's just the body's resistance (of course, other times it's carb and/or calorie creep; I've done that too). My solution is to just get tougher on the body--i.e., I check to make sure I'm not the problem, and if I know I'm eating cleaning and exactly on plan, then I just continue until my body is forced to give up some weight. That said, I also get incredibly discouraged when my body doesn't cooperate with my plans. It's difficult to stay on plan when we don't see the result we want.

10-10-2009, 08:10 AM	#101
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,426 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Snaggle- I think it's great that you are getting to understand your body's requirements like that. I agree wholeheartedly that if you can tolerate a certain level of carbs, whether regularly or occasionally, you should go for it. I'm discovering that I do best without starch, grains, or sugar, but I need to include a LOT of veggies to keep my carbs up and feel and function best. I suspect it's because thanks to my hypo, my BG is high (fasting about 97), and I have a tendency to diabetes (2 sisters are diabetic). So by eating like a good diabetic, I'm avoiding getting the disease--I hope. I know that my body is responding very positively to this stricter eating. We all have to do what works for us.

10-10-2009, 09:42 AM	#102
nitenurse Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 2,075 Gallery: nitenurse Stats: 290-/(230-229)/160 WOE: Atkins/PP/ JUDDD /IF/Fast 5 Start Date: 1972	Checking in-I am trying to do the 2nd phase of the 6 week cure, combined with JUDD, and I probably will screw up both, but I really don't think just doing a meat only will do much more for me than the first 2 weeks did. Will do it on the up days. I did lose some inches and a few pounds on the 6 week Cure, but had a couple off days, and don't think I gave it a fair chance. I think I might try it again after the holidays, which I am hoping JUDD will get me through. Anyway, got past one DD, and will be doing the meat only with minimum carbs today for my UD. You all are really inspiring, with the way you make this work long term. Wow.

10-10-2009, 11:41 AM	#103
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,426 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	The Holidays Nitenurse mentioned the holidays, and on the Main Lobby, BloodSugar101 posted about planning for the holidays, so I thought I'd mention my experience with JUDDD. I heard of JUDDD for the first time early last December and explored the website. At the time, I was in a big stall (almost a year) and really frustrated. I hoped JUDDD would enable me restrict calories as much as I have to in order to lose, but not have to do it daily. But the main reason I wanted to try JUDDD was Christmas dinner! I have to be really careful with carbs and calories both, and I dreaded a family dinner at which I'd have to "pick" at the few things I could eat with all the delicious food on the table. Nor did I want to 'pig out' and hate myself the next day. I just wanted to eat comfortably and without worrying about the scale. So I thought, "If this JUDDD works, then I can make Christmas an UD, and I'll be OK." I think I began with my first DD about Dec. 17th, and I kept the schedule faithfully. I enjoyed Christmas dinner for the first time in years, and despite all the delicious food, I didn't have the least inclination to stuff myself. I continued losing throughout the holidays (very slowly, of course, but that's how I lose), and that experience is what converted me to JUDDD. I've since had several brief vacations where I did 4 consecutive UDs, but gained little and was able to lose easily as soon as I got back home. So if you're doing JUDDD, relax about the holidays--it really works!

10-10-2009, 01:48 PM	#104
Agee Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: NC Posts: 1,564 Gallery: Agee Stats: 191.6/see sig(r3hHCG)/135 WOE: R3hHCG:P2 Start Date: 2/10/2013(r1);4/2/2013 (r2);5/19/2013(r3)	Leo - refresh my memory - how much have you lost? ~~~~~~~ I am finally having a reasonable DD. (I say "finally" after 2 days! I'm so impatient). Almost 5 pm, done eating, and I know I'll make it through. Starting to dream about what I'll eat for breakfast... A

10-10-2009, 06:45 PM	#107
PMoon Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 404 Gallery: PMoon	WOW at all the weight lost everyone. I'm almost at the end of DD#6 today. I've had three cups of coffee and an egg. Trying to decide what I want for supper. Tuna? A TB of peanut butter? I dunno. I guess I need to crank up fit day and see what looks good LOL

10-11-2009, 01:41 AM	#108
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,426 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Agee- Since I started JUDDD last December, I've lost about 44 lbs. My total loss (over the last few years) has been 130 lbs, all on low carb. I had seriously stalled, and that's when I started JUDDD, and I'm really glad I did because of many other benefits other than weight loss.

10-11-2009, 06:24 AM	#110
onceNforall Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: upstate NY Posts: 953 Gallery: onceNforall Stats: 293.5/288.0/Onederland WOE: WW Start Date: 2/15/13	Thanks everyone for the encouraging words of support...nice to celebrate successes, but also nice to know everyone is there if we stumble too. Leo.... I had no idea you had lost so much weight! How fantastic that after losing so much and then stalling, you were able to find JUDD and keep on losing. It is so hard for me to look at the big picture with all I have to lose. I get so impatient and I think that's been my problem with any WOE that I've tried. I want those big losses every week like the first one, and of course we all know that doesn't happen. Then I get discouraged if I only rack up a 1lb loss for a whole week of "being good". I know that I need to look at this as a lifestyle change and I think that's why I'm so hopeful about JUDD. I'm not feeling deprived and there's always "tomorrow" to look forward to. Just need to keep getting my DD's in and look forward to onederland someday myself. I know you're going to make it!! I got on the scale this morning after a high carb, high fat UD yesterday and was relieved to only see a 1lb gain. I know it's not recommended to weigh after an UD, but I'm a person who really needs to keep track of what's going on with that scale on a daily basis. I easily can gain 5lb on a "bad" weekend of eating, so seeing the scale increase yesterday will help me to monitor today much better. I also graph my weight daily as I'm a visual learner...hoping between that and journaling what I'm eating that it will help me learn what foods my body handles well and those it doesn't. This is such a learning process! I get my new appliances for the kitchen on Tuesday and can start cooking again...can't wait! (We've been remodeling the kitchen, started in August, and I've been without a stove/sink for over a month. Old fridge is out in the garage, so at least that helps) We've been eating out or ordering in A LOT and that's made it even more difficult. Never thought I would be looking forward to cooking...

10-11-2009, 07:59 AM	#111
GME Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CA Coast Posts: 6,597 Gallery: GME Stats: 250/175/175 And again...223/208.4/146 5'7 WOE: Misc. Start Date: April 2000 (the first time)	Congratulations Leo & Sherrie. The weight loss news is fabulous! I have a little good news myself. I was down 1.5 lbs yesterday! Finally a little movement. I am really liking the MWF rotation. I don't have nearly the urge to overeat on UDs I used to have.

10-11-2009, 09:39 AM	#112
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,426 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Gina- Congratulations on the loss! You're doing great. Sherrie- I don't know how you can do any decent eating without a kitchen! In your situation, I'd be inclined to wait until the renovation is over, so anything you attempt is heroic I don't want to rain on your parade (or approach to weight loss), but I thought I'd share something about my journey. I began way more than you are now--about 340, and if I ever thought of the entire process, I think I would have been frustrated very early on. Throughout, I've focused on the 'decade'--i.e., ten pound increments. And I also didn't wonder whether or not I'd ever achieve my optimum weight. My goal was to 'weigh less' and to eat more healthily. So my advice would be to concentrate on small goals--next 5 pounds, for example. And in the process, "tinker"--i.e., anytime I didn't have a loss, I'd examine why--too many calories? carbs?--and adjust accordingly. In the beginning, I didn't weigh myself regularly at all. At the time, I had a very demanding job that enabled me to quite easily skip lunch every day, so I had two meals, breakfast and supper, and drank diet soda or water throughout the day. I had done Atkins years ago and knew carbs were poison for me, and I also knew what to eliminate, so I didn't do a "plan" but just eliminated starch and sugar, etc. I was also undiagnosed hypothyroid for several years and post-menopausal (two strikes against loss), and yet I lost--slowly, but it began to add up. Neither of my primary doctors (the older one retired and a younger one assumed the practice) was the least big encouraging. They didn't comment on my weight when I was at my highest, and as I lost, they didn't comment either--except once to ask if I was dieting (to exclude illness, I suppose). In a way, I was happy with their disinterest because it's awful to be 'nagged' about losing weight when one is either not ready to hear or is desperately trying. When I was finally diagnosed as hypothyroid, my first endo was equally unconcerned, telling me that she, too, struggled with her weight. But my current guy is wonderful. When I first went to him, he never mentioned my weight, but as I lost, he rejoiced with me over every pound. If I ever get depressed over the slowness, he cheers me up. Fortunately, I see him every 4 months, and it's good to get his suppport each time. The support from LCF has been invaluable. I tell you all this because I wonder whether you aren't too focused on the enormity of the journey ahead? I personally find weighing more than once a week to be counter-productive because I often have a "bounce up" (especially with JUDDD, but on any plan) that's dispiriting even though I know it's just water retention or something like that. I've even discovered that although I've been losing at a steady rate on JUDDD, I don't lose every week--regardless of how carefully I eat. If it wasn't for my age and medical issues (which require me to continually 'tinker' with my WOE), I'd probably be better off weighing once a month. That's my final point. I think when there's a lot to lose, too close attention to the process can cause frustration. Perhaps that's why you get frustrated? I'm no psychologist; I'm just projecting from my own experience, and we're all unique, so this may not apply to you at all.

10-11-2009, 04:06 PM	#114
onceNforall Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: upstate NY Posts: 953 Gallery: onceNforall Stats: 293.5/288.0/Onederland WOE: WW Start Date: 2/15/13	Gina... Congratulations on your loss!! Leo...You may be right. I know I look at the whole picture way too much...need to have small goals for myself. I am really addicted to the scale. I'm one of these people that are on it morning and night faithfully. I think it would be harder for me to give that up than food! But if I see myself getting discouraged with the fluctuation in this WOE, I will try to go to a weekly weigh in. Bill...Good for you being so focused on vacation and keeping your portion control under control! It's so easy to throw in the towel on vacation. Glad to have you back with us and a DD tomorrow.

10-12-2009, 07:57 AM	#116
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,426 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Bill- I think you did great while on vacation. That rise in BG is surely from stress. My sister is a type2, and she has a very stressful job. On particularly stressful days, she can see her BG skyrocket. Can you find ways to alleviate stress? Exercise or meditation? giJ- You look sensational--looks like goal to me! I, too, am thinking ahead because I have to go to Disney for a business conference (3 days) early next month. Fortunately, I checked out some of their restaurants online, and the menus aren't enticing, so I don't think I'll have any problem ignoring most of the junk. I may even try for a DD while I'm there, but that might be impossible.

10-12-2009, 08:36 AM	#117
snaggle Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: seattle Posts: 1,451 Gallery: snaggle WOE: juddd-5:2	Back to Juddding! Mark and I decided to call it done with the 6 week cure since phase 3 is basically just a maintenance plan anyway, without very strict guidelines. We both lost 5 lbs in 4 weeks. Not exactly stellar, but fine. I think the first two weeks with zero booze, and caffeine was probably a good thing. Always good to give the liver a detox from time to time. The second two weeks was very low carb, no dairy. This was where I had hoped to really drop some lbs, but it didn't happen. Oh well. So here I am, still 9 lbs from goal (weighed 149 this a.m.)and having my first down day in a month. It feels good. I am hoping to get my SIRT gene back soon. I wonder if any of it is still activated? My goal is to lose the 9 lbs by Thanksgiving week, but if it does not happen, that is okay. What I am happy about is that I have a plan that will serve me well throughout the holidays. I also am going to Mexico for 9 days in Dec. and will not be doing any down days. I will walk a lot and really try to keep portions reasonable, but I figure I will probably gain a few lbs. Again, I am okay with that. Gij- you look great! How long has it taken you to lose the 35? I know you have been with us for a while, but I can't remember where you were at when you started JUDDD. Kisha- You sound like you are really back on track. VFT- here you come!!! Bill- I love your attitude about food and vacations too. I feel the same way. Sherrie- I admire your perseverence with no kitchen. I use our grill a lot, but it is starting to get rainy and cold. I hope you get set up soon. Nothing more fun than a new kitchen!! As a designer, kitchens are my favorite room to design. You will have to post pictures.

10-12-2009, 08:56 AM	#118
nitenurse Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 2,075 Gallery: nitenurse Stats: 290-/(230-229)/160 WOE: Atkins/PP/ JUDDD /IF/Fast 5 Start Date: 1972	Welcome back to both of us, Snaggle, I gave up on the Cure after the 2 weeks, thought I could do the "meat weeks" by using atkins and JUDDD, and it sure feels good to be back on this plan-my second DD was much easier, and 2 UD today, and I am not hungry yet. What I noticed before on JUDDD, and it's back again, is that my ketosis (purple stix) is much more evident on JUDDD, all the time, including the UDs. That is a real indication for me that I am on track more on this plan than on anything else. I did take off the weight I had gained in my crazy wedding reunion month with the Cure, I think I may try it again in January, at least for the first 2 weeks, if I need to jolt my body if it is stalling.

10-12-2009, 09:10 AM	#120
snaggle Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: seattle Posts: 1,451 Gallery: snaggle WOE: juddd-5:2	Nitenurse-When I started 6WC, I thought I would hate the "shake weeks", but I actually enjoyed them. It almost felt like down days every day. What did not feel right to me were the "meat weeks". I was craving more veggies and really missed some cheese/dairy. Do you lowcarb when doing JUDDD? how low? I had my best successes with JUDDD, when I was keeping it low-ish, but no junk. For me, I need to really monitor them, and allow 40-50 grams per day I think. I will go back and review my food journals and make sure I am right, but I do know that at that level, I really enjoy my food, and do not feel deprived. I just hope I am right in my assessment that I can lose at that level.

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