OCT. JUDDD/Alternate Day Diet

[GrammyPat]

Hi Whitlin', thanks for the kind thoughts! and the reinforcement about Tylenol PM - I did not know all that stuff! I'm sorry I can't speak about dairy and breathing because I've never really paid attention to it. Maybe someone else here knows?

I've been renewing my T-Tapp these days with basic warm-up because it makes whatever you do for exercise that much more effective. And have renewed an interest in the anti-inflammatory effects of T-Tapp not to mention how the stretching makes my neck and shoulders feel so much better. Have you heard about using enzymes to enhance the immune system which in turn lowers the anti-inflammatory process going on? One of the trainers spoke about it after she got back from Safety Harbor.

[Agee]

Hola everyone,
I am out of town for the weekend and today will be a challenge. I'm helping my husband at an art show (he's a photographer) and am planning on coffee/water all day and some kind of salad at dinner. Hard to calculate exact calories but as long as the salad is a veggie one and I skimp on the dressing I should be fine.
I am stuck at my stuck weight. Oh, it's so annoying. I changed my signature so it only has every 5 DDs - it was getting really long! But you can see that I've been about this weight for a month. I have 1 more DD until I reach my goal of 30 DDs...and you can see by my sig that although I am trending downward, it is a slooooooow trend. I will not be able to weigh myself tomorrow, either, since I'm not at home.
Now, I can think of some things to help my situation:
1. exercise. I used to exercise a lot but since I started back working full time it's been hard to fit it in. This year is especially hard, b/c add to my job (which I've scaled back to 25 hours/week), I run 2 small businesses AND help my husband with his 2 businesses. Oh yeah, and I'm a mom. So while I try to fit in a little walk here and there it often doesn't get done. But I can look hard for the time...
2. JUDDD+lowcarb. I don't really want to do this, because the beauty of JUDDD for me is that it's so easy to do on UD, but I also believe in the health benefits of LC, so it's a definite thought.
3. JUDDD and calorie count on UD. Or at least try to make better choices most of the time. I have gotten into a rut on UD where I tend to treat myself *every* UD, as opposed to special occasions.
All 3 would probably give the best results, but certainly #3 is a good start.
I guess I'll see what my DD 30 weight is, too, before I make any *rash* decisions!
A

[onceNforall]

Originally Posted by Jaysma

Hey guys! Have room for one more?
The closer I get to goal, the more I'm having to watch my calories, so I figured I'd give JUDDD a fair chance & see how my body reacts.

I had around 1600 calories yesterday & today was my first DD. So far I've eaten a can of Progresso Light soup (140 cal) and plan on having a frozen can of chocolate LC Slimfast later (190 cal).

I'm hopeful that this is a WOL I can easily stick with

Jaysma!!

Originally Posted by PMoon

I've had a good DD today. umm... Tuna salad, some yogurt, coffee (doctored up.) About 384 calories and some chicken broth if I get hungry later.

I am a Great-Aunt!! My sister's son's girlfriend had a baby tonight. A little girl named Ashlen Olivia. She weighs 7 lbs 3 oz & 21.5" long. Mom & baby are doing great.

Congratulations!! Love the name!

Originally Posted by Beezle

This has been the secret to my maintaining a 60lb loss for 1.5yrs. I have a handful of meals I make over and over. Now and then I'll make up a new one or abandon an old one, but it's rare. I have them listed in spreadsheet so I know the cal/protein/fat/carb count for each.

I started JUDDD because I want to lose, not just maintain, but I don't want to mess with success too much. I don't have to reinvent how I eat to fit JUDD. I'm just going have one of my go to meals on DDs, instead of 3 with snacks. They are all anywhere from 225 -570 cals, so it's perfect. I'm not even going to worry about how many calories they are or if I can fit in a snack if the meal I want is particularly low cal. The less thinking the better.

Sounds like a plan!! Would you mind sharing them with us?

Originally Posted by Leo41

Weekly Weigh In

Down a pound, and I was disappointed because I've eaten so sparingly this week with no grains or dairy, and I am feeling so good that I hoped there'd be a big drop in the scale, too.

But when I look at the month, I see that my loss will be consistent with previous months (4-5 lbs), so there's no real reason to be disappointed. And at 209.5, I'm at the lowest weight I've been in 32 years

Leo, that's GREAT!!! How exciting (and rewarding) to reach a weight you haven't seen in 32 years. You might be welcoming in the New Year in Onederland!!

Originally Posted by Whitlin'

Well, it is 7:30 here on the morning of the next day and my scale tells me I've lost the half-pound I expected from the DD I described to you all late last night. I really wanted to come here right away and tell this, because for the rest of the day, in real life, I will be find few people who believe I can understand a way of eating this well and feel confident that "if not today, then with next week's DDs, I'll lose weight". They think I am having "luck", or starving myself.

Today I will aim for 1,800 calories or less and simply enjoy myself at the event I'll attend.

It is so encouraging and reaffirming to see how you still utilize JUDD in maintenance....gives me hope with such a long road still ahead of me.

[onceNforall]

Well, haven't done a DD on a Saturday before...this should be interesting. Planning a big family dinner for tomorrow and have to do my grocery shopping today, but will wait to do my cooking tomorrow. I'm buying dessert...not gonna get caught licking the bowl this time!

Weekly weigh in will be tomorrow and I'm nervous about it. I had such a horrendous weekend (two BIG UD's) last week with my 5lb gain and hopefully I've managed to get rid of that plus a little bit more....fingers crossed. Had a much more manageable UD yesterday and I plan to keep that trend going.

I was almost ready to throw in the towel this week.....was thinking maybe this WOE wasn't going to work for me as I appeared to be bingeing on UD's. Then realized that way of thinking was just me trying to sabotage another plan that WAS working. (I do that, a lot ) Got my head back on straight and have made my UD's not into food feasts and reminding myself that.....

I CAN DO HARD THINGS!!!

[snaggle]

Leo- 4-5 lbs per month is nothing to sneeze at! Especially considering that you have already lost a lot of weight and have been losing consistently on juddd. I know how it is though when you really hope you will drop a couple of extra lbs for good behavior, or get a whoosh every once in a while, and then not see it happen. The scale can be cruel.

It has taken me 6 down days, but I am back to siggy weight. Still not sure what caused the gain, but I am sticking with the theory that leaving a plan that had me in pretty deep ketosis caused me to gain water and glycogen.

[Jaysma]

Thanks for the welcome everyone!

Yesterday's first DD went great. After eating soup (140cal) I had planned on having a lc Slimfast before bed but wasn't feeling it & instead had a can of tuna mixed with banana pepper rings (110cal). Before bed I drank a mug of hot Candy Cane tea (0cal) and was totally satisfied. Much easier than I was expecting it to be. Hoping the ease continues!

I'm a scale addict and weighed in at 143 this morning, though I'm not calling it because I'm pretty sure it's going to fluctuate with this WOE.

After seeing that drop this morning I'm totally motivated, which is great, but I know that I'm going to struggle with the idea of eating more calories today.

Hope everyone is having a great weekend!

[snaggle]

Jaysma- you are doing great! Call that 143 yours baby!!
The thing is, if you are a daily weigher like me, you will be up after an up, but now I only weigh after downs and if I do succumb to stepping on the scale after an up, it is usually 2 lbs higher. I figure my "real" weight is an average of the two.

Enjoy your up day!

[nitenurse]

Congratulations Leo, you are my hero,too, for your persistance.
Beezle, I think that is interesting to have 5 meals that you know exactly what you are eating. Years ago I used to have a menu for 2 weeks that I rotated because it was the only foods my kids/husband would eat. And we never got tired of them. There was one day I left open for variety, and had about 6 things I listed on there. I should go find that and dust it off, and see how it fits with my UDs.
DD today, feels like a relief that I won't have to cook or think about food.
I can feel like I'm losing weight, scale not doing much right now=next week it will move.

[Jaysma]

A question for those that have tried both MWF DDs and every other day DDs... was there a noticeable difference in your weight loss? I'm asking because my church has a dinner every Sunday after service and tomorrow is supposed to be a DD. It wasn't a problem for me doing strictly LC, but I don't think I could keep it under 500 calories given the southern food that the ladies cook.

I don't want to tweak the plan too much because I want to give it a fair chance, so since I'm just starting out should I suck it up and keep tomorrow a DD?

[snaggle]

Jaysma, I found that my best losses were not so much when I did a true alternation, but rather during the periods when my up days, down days, (and mediums when I was doing 1 of those a week) were CONTROLLED. I have not been good with my medium days generally and they usually end up closer to an up than a down. I really feel if I had kept them at 1000, I would have done better. My plan is to keep my downs to 400, and my ups at no more than 1700. My problem was when I would have either a 3 day weekend, or extended up day spell, then I would gain 3-5 lbs and basically lose a week.

I still try and do a true alternation, but usually I try and just work my ups/downs around my social schedule and many times that means a medium day.

[BillB]

Hey everyone,

Finally feeling better! I won't say I am completely well yet, but it's moving in the right direction. Appetite is still not back. UD today...I could not eat breakfast. I made a small but calorie-dense lunch, but could not finish it. I hope the appetite will be back soon--this worries me a bit.

I am tracking on fit day and live strong. According to the calorie deficits tracked there and several different BMR formulas, I should have dropped 30 pounds (+/- 5 pounds) since my last weigh-in. I know for sure that I am insulin resistant and otherwise metabolically challenged, so I feel sure that number is way off. I am feeling very apprehensive about my doc visit on Tuesday. I am trying not to have expectations from my weigh-in, but I know if I haven't had a loss, I will be deeply demoralized.

Back to the BG issue...(Leo)... I did ZC for a couple of days and my numbers dropped back to the 100-110 range. However, yesterday (DD) I have a good fasting number (100) but by early afternoon I had not eaten (and was not even slightly hungry) and my BG spiked at 140. I am trying very hard to stabilize my BG without additional meds, so this is frustrating. I am anxious to hear what my doc says about all this.

I am gonna try to read all the posts from the last couple days and respond / catch up. I know there are a bunch of new folks here, so to all of you!

--bill

[BillB]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

If I have to track daily, it'll feel more like a regular diet. Just my opinion, but everyone is different, and I totally respect that. Good luck!

Misty,

I resisted tracking for a long time, because 1) I thought it was going to be a huge hassle and 2) I didn't see any real point. I finally decided to give it a try, and I am so glad I did. It helped me be more aware of my percentages and my patterns with eating. The best thing it did for me was make me mindful of my eating. After decades of eating mindlessly, I have finally kicked that deadly habit.

Another bonus of tracking is you can play with the "counter" ahead of time and plan for the next day, tweaking portions to make the numbers work. If you plan your DD ahead of time, know the food is on hand and that is your "plan" for the day, it may help (it does help me) you breeze through DD.

Since starting JUDDD and tracking, I have cut my average daily cals from over 3500 to 1600. [Note for the new folks: I also do LC at Atkins induction levels or below, but this is more because of my diabetes than specifically for weight loss. I am much happier and (I believe healthier) when I can have more good veggies, but right now they are in a battle with my BG so I have to avoid them. I think there is a big difference between LC and non-LC for some people, depending on their metabolism. Non-LC is not an option for me.]



--bill

[BillB]

Originally Posted by Leo41

The fish can be expensive, but since I don't eat much, I don't think of the total price but the price per 'serving,' and I think that's reasonable.

Excellent point. Since I am no longer eating like Napoleon's army, I need to reconsider my food budget and choices. Maybe less is more?

--bill

[nitenurse]

Bill, Just a thought, maybe the BG spike was partly dehydration??? I make sure I drink 2 large glasses of water before I take blood tests for cholesterol and BG. I am not diabetic, but know my readings get skewed if I am dehydrated, and because I take BP pills, diuretics, that is almost all the time. I try to drink the water about an hour before the tests. That way I am at least consistant.
Persist, we know we are going to get results eventually, in spite of plateaus.
I was thinking this am, I am thankful for DDs, when I don't have to cook much or obscess and think about food, and my stomach is happy to be empty.
I am thankful for updays, when I don't have to obscess and think about food, and can pretty much eat what I want, just mostly Lowcarb.
This is a great way to live.

[BillB]

Originally Posted by Beezle

I finished reading the book tonight. One point was a real revelation for me.

This has been the secret to my maintaining a 60lb loss for 1.5yrs. I have a handful of meals I make over and over. Now and then I'll make up a new one or abandon an old one, but it's rare. I have them listed in spreadsheet so I know the cal/protein/fat/carb count for each.

I started JUDDD because I want to lose, not just maintain, but I don't want to mess with success too much. I don't have to reinvent how I eat to fit JUDD. I'm just going have one of my go to meals on DDs, instead of 3 with snacks. They are all anywhere from 225 -570 cals, so it's perfect. I'm not even going to worry about how many calories they are or if I can fit in a snack if the meal I want is particularly low cal. The less thinking the better.

The other interesting point was about addiction. I wouldn't say I'm "addicted" to nuts, but if I start thinking about nuts, I can't stop until I've eaten 1000+ calories of them. Today I had 4 packages of vending machine peanuts at work. I didn't eat any food the day before, and they were the only food I had today. I have to give them up. No more nuts. I need to reset my brain.

I think this all sounds very smart. I tend to eat a lot of the same (perhaps boring) foods over and over and have thought that it was helpful to me. Since I have consciously tried to stop eating for entertainment / pleasure I think it helps not to particularly "look forward to" eating. (Note: I don't think there's anything wrong with eating for pleasure for most people, but most people don't have the broken relationship with food that I have.)

Nuts are a huge problem for a lot of people. It's the crunch / salt / additives. A few months ago, I bought (quickly, without checking the label) some dry roasted sunflower seeds that contained MSG, soy, HCFS and sugar. These are all problematic for me. Nuts (especially peanuts) from a vending machine are almost certainly loaded with bad stuff. FWIW, real nuts (tree nuts) are probably a better choice (for portion control and general health) than peanuts. I used to be a big peanut eater, but I have found many reasons to avoid them. I'd rather have an ounce of pecans or black walnuts than a pound of peanuts, any day.

Oh...just wanted to add...if I were you, knowing your goals, I would do the one meal from your recipe box for DD, but I would also cut out snacks on UDs. Just a thought...

--bill

[BillB]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Weekly Weigh In

And at 209.5, I'm at the lowest weight I've been in 32 years

--bill

[BillB]

Originally Posted by Agee

Hola everyone,
I am out of town for the weekend and today will be a challenge. I'm helping my husband at an art show (he's a photographer) and am planning on coffee/water all day and some kind of salad at dinner. Hard to calculate exact calories but as long as the salad is a veggie one and I skimp on the dressing I should be fine.
I am stuck at my stuck weight. Oh, it's so annoying. I changed my signature so it only has every 5 DDs - it was getting really long! But you can see that I've been about this weight for a month. I have 1 more DD until I reach my goal of 30 DDs...and you can see by my sig that although I am trending downward, it is a slooooooow trend. I will not be able to weigh myself tomorrow, either, since I'm not at home.
Now, I can think of some things to help my situation:
1. exercise. I used to exercise a lot but since I started back working full time it's been hard to fit it in. This year is especially hard, b/c add to my job (which I've scaled back to 25 hours/week), I run 2 small businesses AND help my husband with his 2 businesses. Oh yeah, and I'm a mom. So while I try to fit in a little walk here and there it often doesn't get done. But I can look hard for the time...
2. JUDDD+lowcarb. I don't really want to do this, because the beauty of JUDDD for me is that it's so easy to do on UD, but I also believe in the health benefits of LC, so it's a definite thought.
3. JUDDD and calorie count on UD. Or at least try to make better choices most of the time. I have gotten into a rut on UD where I tend to treat myself *every* UD, as opposed to special occasions.
All 3 would probably give the best results, but certainly #3 is a good start.
I guess I'll see what my DD 30 weight is, too, before I make any *rash* decisions!
A

I think all your ideas for tweaking are good. Do you track your foods? I think LC + JUDDD would take the "binge effect" out of the equation. Smart idea, I think.

--bill

[BillB]

Originally Posted by nitenurse

Bill, Just a thought, maybe the BG spike was partly dehydration??? I make sure I drink 2 large glasses of water before I take blood tests for cholesterol and BG. I am not diabetic, but know my readings get skewed if I am dehydrated, and because I take BP pills, diuretics, that is almost all the time. I try to drink the water about an hour before the tests. That way I am at least consistant.
Persist, we know we are going to get results eventually, in spite of plateaus.
I was thinking this am, I am thankful for DDs, when I don't have to cook much or obscess and think about food, and my stomach is happy to be empty.
I am thankful for updays, when I don't have to obscess and think about food, and can pretty much eat what I want, just mostly Lowcarb.
This is a great way to live.

I have tried to stay hydrated, but I am sure I am at least slightly dehydrated. I can usually tell by how well the blood flows when I stab my finger, and that wasn't a problem yesterday.

Today I had a 110 fasting BG, and an hour after eating 4 ounces of chicken and 2 ounces of cheese (all I could make myself eat) my BG was 130. That seems like a big jump for such a LC meal. In my doctor's word's "your metabolism is screwed up"--my liver keeps dumping sugar for no reason.

Any suggestions are appreciated!



--bill

[PMoon]

My nephew with his new little daughter. I haven't seen her yet in person. But the pictures are just beautiful!

[onceNforall]

Originally Posted by PMoon

My nephew with his new little daughter. I haven't seen her yet in person. But the pictures are just beautiful!

There's nothing like a new baby!! She's adorable and he looks so proud.

[onceNforall]

Well, lost 1lb this week. I really was shooting for two, but guess I'm pleased I lost the 5lb I gained last weekend and was able to add 1 to it.

This WOE is very revealing....learning a lot about my body and how it reacts to what I ingest. I know I have to get my UD's more under control, perhaps by even counting calories, although I really don't want to do that. I could also do LC on UD's, which I haven't been doing at all. I'm usually very low carb on DD's (<10g).

I've lost 13lb since 9/29 though and am happy with that (8lb since starting JUDD on 10/5). I also have stuck with this WOE for 3 weeks now and it's been a L O N G time since I've been able to stay on any plan for that period of time. I'm not dreading the holidays cause I know I won't be feeling deprived. ALL GOOD THINGS!!

I will slowly figure this all out and in the meantime my weight is on a downward trend. My goal for next week is to hit the 260's for Saturday's weigh-in.

I CAN DO HARD THINGS!!

[onceNforall]

Originally Posted by BillB

Hey everyone,

Finally feeling better! I won't say I am completely well yet, but it's moving in the right direction. Appetite is still not back. UD today...I could not eat breakfast. I made a small but calorie-dense lunch, but could not finish it. I hope the appetite will be back soon--this worries me a bit.

I am tracking on fit day and live strong. According to the calorie deficits tracked there and several different BMR formulas, I should have dropped 30 pounds (+/- 5 pounds) since my last weigh-in. I know for sure that I am insulin resistant and otherwise metabolically challenged, so I feel sure that number is way off. I am feeling very apprehensive about my doc visit on Tuesday. I am trying not to have expectations from my weigh-in, but I know if I haven't had a loss, I will be deeply demoralized.

Back to the BG issue...(Leo)... I did ZC for a couple of days and my numbers dropped back to the 100-110 range. However, yesterday (DD) I have a good fasting number (100) but by early afternoon I had not eaten (and was not even slightly hungry) and my BG spiked at 140. I am trying very hard to stabilize my BG without additional meds, so this is frustrating. I am anxious to hear what my doc says about all this.

I am gonna try to read all the posts from the last couple days and respond / catch up. I know there are a bunch of new folks here, so to all of you!

--bill

Bill....so glad you are feeling better.

I give you a lot of credit for only weighing in once/month with your doctor. I am so addicted to that scale, I'm on it every single morning. I'm sure you will see a good loss, although I'm not sure our weight loss can always be determined by those formulas.

The way I look at it, is that you are eating healthier, are in control of your choices and much more attuned to your body....all good things!! Keep up the good work and I'll be praying for good results on that scale for you!!

[Leo41]

GrammyPat-
Sorry about your sleep problems. I know that unless I could sleep through the night after a DD, I'd never be able to stay within my calorie limit. When I am up in the middle of the night, I'm always incredibly hungry. It's good to know that the Tylenol PM is relatively harmless and that it helps.

Are you interested in reducing inflammation? If so, NEVER let yourself have sugar or starch (like those pancakes). I follow an anti-inflammation diet to control the pain of my arthritis, and if I happen to have sugar, I can feel the pain the next day. It's incredibly inflammatory. It's the memory of that pain that keeps me from sporadic indulgences in these types of 'treats.'

Agee-
I agree with you that #3 is the place to start. And that might lead you to segue into #2 eventually as well. Little steps bring big results eventually.

Sherrie-
Congratulations on the loss! I, too, find that JUDDD is great at quickly eliminating the water weight from occasional dietary indiscretions. It's also terrific that you caught yourself before you really sabotaged your eating plan. As I've posted before, one of the great benefits of JUDDD for me is gaining insight into my food issues.

Snaggle-
That gain was definitely NOT fat. There's a natural rebound of water retention when you switch from a very restricted plan.

Jaysma-
The idea is to create a WOE that you can live with long term. Definitely Sunday should not be a DD for you. I've done OK with MWF DDs which I do for convenience and because I don't want to work out on a DD. Then I try to make EITHER Saturday or Sunday a MD, depending on my schedule. This results in only 3 DDs, instead of 3 and 4 in alternate weeks, but I don't think the difference is much at all. I know that if I tried true alternation, I probably wouldn't find this plan so 'easy,' and that's important to staying on it.

[mistydisa]

Leo ~ Congrats on the loss! Lower than you've been in 32 years? That's incredible, and you should be so proud of yourself!

Sherrie ~ Congrats to you, as well! You've lost 8 pounds in 3 weeks...that's awesome!

Jaysma ~ I agree with Leo in that you shouldn't try to make Sundays DDs if that's going to be torture for you. Like she said, part of what makes this WOE work is that it's livable. However, I have found that weeks where I do back-to-back UDs, I don't lose as well. I lose better on weeks where I go totally crazy on UDs and eat everything in sight but follow alternation than I do when I "behave" on UDs but have b2b UDs. Did that make sense? Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, if you're going to do the MWF DD rotation, make Saturday a medium day instead of an UD, if you can, at least some of the time.

Bill ~ Glad you're feeling better!

[Leo41]

Misty-

Although I don't do true alternation, I, too, find that I lose best in a week when I've had one UD (usually on the weekend) really high calorie. Perhaps this stimulates our metabolism or somehow comforts our body that it won't starve and can therefore drop fat? I have no idea why this happens.

I DO know that if I ate high calorie every UD, I'd gain rather than lose, but somehow ONE high calorie UD (usually once every two weeks or so) will result in a larger loss. I wish I knew why this happens because I'm usually reluctant to do it for fear it won't work again and I'll wind up gaining.

[BillB]

Easy DD today, just under 500 cals. Nothing new to report. Sounds like everyone is doing well...

--bill

[PMoon]

I am at the hotel. It was already dark when I got in and I didn't feel like going out to find a place to eat. So, I'm snacking on the stuff I packed with me (beef & cheese sticks, mixed nuts.) I honestly have no idea what I'm going to do for food while I'm here. I have a debit card for my expenses, but I haven't seen any places to eat yet.

The hotel offers a breakfast, but it is all high carb stuff. I have decided not to overly stress myself in advance about it. I will make the best decisions I can as I am faced with them.

[BillB]

Originally Posted by PMoon

I am at the hotel. It was already dark when I got in and I didn't feel like going out to find a place to eat. So, I'm snacking on the stuff I packed with me (beef & cheese sticks, mixed nuts.) I honestly have no idea what I'm going to do for food while I'm here. I have a debit card for my expenses, but I haven't seen any places to eat yet.

The hotel offers a breakfast, but it is all high carb stuff. I have decided not to overly stress myself in advance about it. I will make the best decisions I can as I am faced with them.

When I need something at a hotel....if I don't like their menu, or if I don't want to leave...I will have wings delivered. Depending on where you are, you might have salad / burger choices too, the front desk always has delivery menus. I try to travel with some LC shakes, cheese and beef sticks too...saves me a lot of money.

Check in when you can!

--bill

[mistydisa]

I'm doing a happy dance! I finally reached the 20 lb. mark! I lost 1.6 lbs. this week, for a total of 20.2.

LOVE this WOE!

[onceNforall]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

I'm doing a happy dance! I finally reached the 20 lb. mark! I lost 1.6 lbs. this week, for a total of 20.2.

LOVE this WOE!

Wow, Misty...you've done great!!! Twenty pounds (and onederland) are quite an accomplishment.