OCT. JUDDD/Alternate Day Diet

[fab at 60]

I had a good DD yesterday. 410 calories which included a frozen dinner and some yoghurt. It wasn't as hard as I thought it would be.

I have a question. Do you keep track of your calories on up days as well, or just eat normally? Thanks.

[mistydisa]

Originally Posted by fab at 60

I had a good DD yesterday. 410 calories which included a frozen dinner and some yoghurt. It wasn't as hard as I thought it would be.

I have a question. Do you keep track of your calories on up days as well, or just eat normally? Thanks.

I don't track calories on my UDs, but lots of folks do. Right now, I'm still able to lose without tracking UDs. I'm sure the day will come (later rather than sooner, I hope) when the losses will slow and I will be forced to count on UDs. I didn't want to track UDs because for me, one of the most attractive parts of this WOE is that it only feels like a diet every other day. If I have to track daily, it'll feel more like a regular diet. Just my opinion, but everyone is different, and I totally respect that. Good luck!

[Ilpirata]

[quote=Salamander;12645005]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Some of my DD go to items are:

Laughing Cow Light Cheese (35 cals per wedge)
I like to spread this on the GG Scandanavian Bran Crisp Breads sold right here by Netrition (12 cals each)
Pure Protein Canned Shake Trader Joe's (110 Cals 5 Carbs)
Unsweetened Almond Breeze (40 cals per 8 oz) They make vanilla and chocolate I also use Almond Breeze in my coffee on DD
Single Serving Fage Greek Yogurt (90 cals)
97% Fat Free Hebrew National Hot Dog (45 cals each)
Ostrim Sticks (60 cals for two)
Subway Oven Roasted Chicken Salad (130 cals dressing extra)
Subway Roast Beef Salad (140 cals dressing extra)
Sugar Free Popsicle (15-20 cals by brand)
Swiss Miss DIET Cocoa (not just no sugar must say DIET) (25 cals)
Trader Joe's BBQ Chicken Terryaki - DO NOT use the sauce Packet (150 cals per cup)
Trader Joe's Egg White Salad (100 cals)
Trader Joe's Turkey Meatballs (100 cals per two)

Thanks for the suggestions! I have the laughing cow and TJ meatballs already so i'm going to try those today.... oh Lord help me get through this DD!!!! So far, I have had coffee with splenda and one egg in a LC tortilla. It's almost lunch time and I'm having my veggie soup and 3 crackers with 1/2 wedge of L. Cow..... can I do it???!!!!!!!!!! Hope so!

YOU CAN DO IT! You can do hard things. I recently tried Leo's trick making faux hot & soure soup (broth, vinegar & hot sauce) TOTALLY FILLING!

Originally Posted by BillB

Hey everyone...

Still sick, but I don't think it's serious. I don't have a fever, no pain, my throat doesn't hurt. I only have productive coughs, but I have a lot of phlegm. Mostly I am exhausted, partly, I am sure, because I have been too congested to use my CPAP for almost a week now.

In bed almost all day yesterday and today. Just wanted to let you know I didn't die. 450 cals yesterday, 1000 so far today....I am going to try to eat more.

Doc visit is on Tuesday....

--bill

Man! Sounds like you've got something way bad. At least it sure has been lingering for awhile. Hope you feel better soon!

Originally Posted by fab at 60

I had a good DD yesterday. 410 calories which included a frozen dinner and some yoghurt. It wasn't as hard as I thought it would be.

I have a question. Do you keep track of your calories on up days as well, or just eat normally? Thanks.

I do (in theory) LOL

[Agee]

My definition of win: I didn't quit, they didn't close the course on me, and I didn't throw up*

That is too cute. When I used to run that was my definition, too. At my first 10K the ladies in the golf cart rode 20 feet behind me the last mile...but I still finished! And then I told them how irritating that was.
I haven't run in a while, though. I was thinking I'd start up again...when I hit the 150s OR when I'm able to quit my job next June...whichever comes 1st!
A

[Leo41]

Bill-

Good luck with your doc visit. Perhaps he can give you something to speed your recovery. However, when that scale shows a good loss, I'm sure that will speed your recovery enough

Everyone new who is trying for DDs (I've lost track of who is doing this). Be assured that you CAN do it. I never believed I could because I have such a tremendous appetite, and it was a big 'high' for me to do my first successful DD. And I've been doing them 3x a week for the past 10 months! This is do-able, and you can do it.

We CAN do hard things!

[onceNforall]

Bill....sure hope you're on the mend quickly. Take good care of yourself.

I think I've found the secret for DD's for me....I just eat protein with maybe a few celery sticks or cucumber slices thrown in. I always have my Egg Beaters mixed with a wedge of lite LC cheese cut up in it in a mug in the microwave for breakfast, then either can of tuna or chicken breast packed in water for lunch and usually 4 oz. turkey breast (low sodium) for dinner with a veggie. It works best for me if I don't have to think about it and just grab and run. I sometimes throw in an apple in the afternoon or lite string cheese if the calories allow.

Successful MD today!! I've never sucessfully done one before but ended up with 1100 calories. Leo had suggested that I look at it as a DD with room to spare rather than and UD where I was restricting myself....it worked!! Thanks, Leo.

Saturday will be a DD for me...first time ever, but need tomorrow as an UD cause going out to dinner with friends. So, I'll be weighing in on Sunday instead of Saturday.

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by onceNforall

Bill....sure hope you're on the mend quickly. Take good care of yourself.

I think I've found the secret for DD's for me....I just eat protein with maybe a few celery sticks or cucumber slices thrown in. I always have my Egg Beaters mixed with a wedge of lite LC cheese cut up in it in a mug in the microwave for breakfast, then either can of tuna or chicken breast packed in water for lunch and usually 4 oz. turkey breast (low sodium) for dinner with a veggie. It works best for me if I don't have to think about it and just grab and run. I sometimes throw in an apple in the afternoon or lite string cheese if the calories allow.

Successful MD today!! I've never sucessfully done one before but ended up with 1100 calories. Leo had suggested that I look at it as a DD with room to spare rather than and UD where I was restricting myself....it worked!! Thanks, Leo.

Saturday will be a DD for me...first time ever, but need tomorrow as an UD cause going out to dinner with friends. So, I'll be weighing in on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Right on MD! They can be tricky...

RE: Saturday DD... the times I have managed a DD on the weekend I've pulled it off because I've kept busy and out and about.

[Salamander]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Bill-

Everyone new who is trying for DDs (I've lost track of who is doing this). Be assured that you CAN do it. I never believed I could because I have such a tremendous appetite, and it was a big 'high' for me to do my first successful DD. And I've been doing them 3x a week for the past 10 months! This is do-able, and you can do it.

We CAN do hard things!

Leo41, you are so right! It's almost 6pm and I've had 375 calories. i am not hungry at all right now and i still have 125 cals left! I just cannot believe this... I am the type who grazes all day long. I'm surprised I'm not dying of hunger, nor am I feeling tired! In fact, i'm already planning my next DD. I found the shiritaki spaghetti and fettucines noodles for a great price. 20 calories and 2 net carbs per 4 oz serving... I'm sure there are lots of options for those on a DD!

[nitenurse]

I had a good dd; took a can of tiny shrimp and made a shrimp cocktail with lowcarb catsup and horseradish. Really good for 100 cals.
Found some sundried tomato and basil,, hickory smoked, tomato pesto, and herb and garlic tuna packets. These may be my emergency food if they are any good at all.lol.
I am finding that having some different "tastes" is helping a lot. I go back over the posts and look for ideas from everyone. Thanks.

[Whitlin']

Ooooo, shrimp cocktail, nitenurse! Sounds good.

I am on Tues, Thurs Sat dds this week.

DD at 614 yesterday scooted me down another half-pound as of this morning and made me cheerful all day. So I am "backing up" toward my goal (or maintenance spot) again.

Had gone up on exercise time and have been feeling great about that. I think it slowed losses as I expected it might, but it is a trade-off I'll take.

Noticed Almond Breeze mentioned several times. A definite go-to food. Better than most shakes out there. Truly healthy, "Clean" eating.

I made soup (corn/potato) and froze two pints. Perfect choice on UDs to help me stay away from convenience foods. It was so yummy tonight.

[survivorlady]

Hi all, I just started on last Friday but when I weighted on Wednesday I had lost 21/4 lbs. nitenurse inspired me to give this uddd diet a try. I am so glad I did. Just started on this site but all ready got a lot of good info. thanks. survivorlady

[Leo41]

Sherrie-

Glad to know the MD worked out for you. We eat similarly on DDs, and I think the trick is both the protein and not having to 'think' about food during the day. If I have to 'plan' a meal, it tends to stimulate my appetite, so I try to insure that I know exactly what I'm going to eat on a DD by the preceding UD at the latest.

Today I've had my eggwhites with a few mushrooms with my morning coffee, and I have a Mahi Mahi filet (150 cal) for later, and a pouch of salmon (70 cal) for dinner.

Survivorlady!

Nitenurse-
I've found shrimp to be a great DD food because it's so low in calories but feels so decadent. I've mixed it with some steamed broccoli and throw on some soy sauce and/or hot sauce, and it's my faux Chinese shrimp and broccoli--a big dish for about 150 cal.

[onceNforall]

Originally Posted by Salamander

Leo41, you are so right! It's almost 6pm and I've had 375 calories. i am not hungry at all right now and i still have 125 cals left! I just cannot believe this... I am the type who grazes all day long. I'm surprised I'm not dying of hunger, nor am I feeling tired! In fact, i'm already planning my next DD. I found the shiritaki spaghetti and fettucines noodles for a great price. 20 calories and 2 net carbs per 4 oz serving... I'm sure there are lots of options for those on a DD!

Salamander....Glad you did so well on your DD! Some are easier than others, I find...but always challenging and always such a feeling of accomplishment when they go well.

Originally Posted by nitenurse

I had a good dd; took a can of tiny shrimp and made a shrimp cocktail with lowcarb catsup and horseradish. Really good for 100 cals.
Found some sundried tomato and basil,, hickory smoked, tomato pesto, and herb and garlic tuna packets. These may be my emergency food if they are any good at all.lol.
I am finding that having some different "tastes" is helping a lot. I go back over the posts and look for ideas from everyone. Thanks.

Ooh...shrimp! I had forgotten about shrimp. That sounds yummy and will have to try that.

Originally Posted by survivorlady

Hi all, I just started on last Friday but when I weighted on Wednesday I had lost 21/4 lbs. nitenurse inspired me to give this uddd diet a try. I am so glad I did. Just started on this site but all ready got a lot of good info. thanks. survivorlady

You're off to a great start! You'll find lots of support and encouragement on this board!!

[snaggle]

One of my favorite down day meals (save all my cals. for one meal usually)
is shrimp scampi with tomato and basil over pasta slim (like shirataki- only 40 cal for the whole bag) I even squeeze in a tb of butter or olive oil and manage to get in under 400 cal.
I have never tried canned shrimp. I think I have always been scared that they would be fishy.

[snaggle]

Welcome survivorlady to our supportive group.

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by survivorlady

Hi all, I just started on last Friday but when I weighted on Wednesday I had lost 21/4 lbs. nitenurse inspired me to give this uddd diet a try. I am so glad I did. Just started on this site but all ready got a lot of good info. thanks. survivorlady

WELCOME! Glad you're liking JUDD so far.
(post lots LOL)

Originally Posted by Leo41

Sherrie-

Glad to know the MD worked out for you. We eat similarly on DDs, and I think the trick is both the protein and not having to 'think' about food during the day. If I have to 'plan' a meal, it tends to stimulate my appetite, so I try to insure that I know exactly what I'm going to eat on a DD by the preceding UD at the latest.

Today I've had my eggwhites with a few mushrooms with my morning coffee, and I have a Mahi Mahi filet (150 cal) for later, and a pouch of salmon (70 cal) for dinner.

Survivorlady!

Nitenurse-
I've found shrimp to be a great DD food because it's so low in calories but feels so decadent. I've mixed it with some steamed broccoli and throw on some soy sauce and/or hot sauce, and it's my faux Chinese shrimp and broccoli--a big dish for about 150 cal.

I also LOVE shrimp. DD & UD both (UD with butter). I buy the bags of frozen pre-cooked jumbo shrimp from trader joe's. The other day I used some in an omelette with grated hard parm and defrosted artichoke hearts. it came out delish!

[Ilpirata]

Should be an easier one for me as I'm out and about all night.

[caramel]

Hello everyone

DD for me today, SnaggleThose shirataki noodles do rock, just discovered them this week and with ,as you said, 40 cal. a bag I'll have that for lunch and a sensible dinner down to 144.6 as of my last weigh in on tuesday. May start to weigh in once a week again I now realize you can do everything by the book and sometimes not loose so its just lesss frustrating when I limit my weigh ins. Ilpiratathanks for the list of some of your DD food, I struggle with finding ideas and sometimes settle for toast and coffer which eats up a lot of my calories.

I'm amazed at some of you for keeping under 500 on DD's, I haven't been able to but recently forced myself to get a just 500 because my 600 cal DD was not causing me to lose its amazing how something like 100 calories can make a difference.

Leo41 150 for that fillet sounds good but how is the taste and are they terrible expensive do you put sauce one them? sorry for all the questions, guess I just got hungry again, well back to cleaning.
Everyone have a great day!

[Leo41]

Caramel-

I think you'd be wise to weigh only once a week. I think there are more "bounce ups" on JUDDD than other plans, and when I've weighed more frequently (always after a DD), I sometimes see a gain that really upsets me, but by the end of the week, I'll be down just fine. So now I resist all temptation to weigh any other time than my "official" day.

The fish can be expensive, but since I don't eat much, I don't think of the total price but the price per 'serving,' and I think that's reasonable. I almost always either poach my fish in a little water or bake it. If it's an UD, I have it with my homemade mayo, but that's too many calories for DDs.

For a DD "sauce," I experiment with a lot of low, low calorie condiments--e.g., mustard, dill relish, soy sauce, horseradish, vinegar--to get a combination that tastes good to me. You can even eat it plain, as I've done sometimes, and it's fine.

[caramel]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Caramel-

I think you'd be wise to weigh only once a week. I think there are more "bounce ups" on JUDDD than other plans, and when I've weighed more frequently (always after a DD), I sometimes see a gain that really upsets me, but by the end of the week, I'll be down just fine. So now I resist all temptation to weigh any other time than my "official" day.

The fish can be expensive, but since I don't eat much, I don't think of the total price but the price per 'serving,' and I think that's reasonable. I almost always either poach my fish in a little water or bake it. If it's an UD, I have it with my homemade mayo, but that's too many calories for DDs.

For a DD "sauce," I experiment with a lot of low, low calorie condiments--e.g., mustard, dill relish, soy sauce, horseradish, vinegar--to get a combination that tastes good to me. You can even eat it plain, as I've done sometimes, and it's fine.

Thanks so much Leo41 for the info. and as you said those "bounce ups"
really put a damper on my day and I end up getting on and off the scale several times hoping it will show mercy and change so I think the once a week weigh ins are going to have to be the way for me.

[Jaysma]

Hey guys! Have room for one more?
The closer I get to goal, the more I'm having to watch my calories, so I figured I'd give JUDDD a fair chance & see how my body reacts.

I had around 1600 calories yesterday & today was my first DD. So far I've eaten a can of Progresso Light soup (140 cal) and plan on having a frozen can of chocolate LC Slimfast later (190 cal).

I'm hopeful that this is a WOL I can easily stick with

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by Jaysma

Hey guys! Have room for one more?
The closer I get to goal, the more I'm having to watch my calories, so I figured I'd give JUDDD a fair chance & see how my body reacts.

I had around 1600 calories yesterday & today was my first DD. So far I've eaten a can of Progresso Light soup (140 cal) and plan on having a frozen can of chocolate LC Slimfast later (190 cal).

I'm hopeful that this is a WOL I can easily stick with

Welcome! Hope you like the plan... its not for everyone but perfect for some of us. Good luck on your first DD. In my experience the first was the hardest. Mainly because I didn't KNOW I could do it.

[Leo41]

Always room for one more!

You have done a fantastic job and should be really proud of yourself!

I almost said, "Why bother with JUDDD because you've done so great?" Because I consider this kind of extreme.

But then I realized that although most of us are doing this for weight loss, we also plan to continue in maintenance (and some are already in maintenance).

I think it will be a great way to control weight (i.e., avoid gain) and yet enjoy special occasions and holidays.

[GME]

Originally Posted by Jaysma

Hey guys! Have room for one more?
The closer I get to goal, the more I'm having to watch my calories, so I figured I'd give JUDDD a fair chance & see how my body reacts.

I had around 1600 calories yesterday & today was my first DD. So far I've eaten a can of Progresso Light soup (140 cal) and plan on having a frozen can of chocolate LC Slimfast later (190 cal).

I'm hopeful that this is a WOL I can easily stick with

Welcome!

I eat those Progresso soups a lot too now that it has cooled off. I had Santa Fe Chicken today poured over green beans to make it seem more substantive. Kind of a weird mix of flavors, but meh, I wasn't hungry when I was done. Every meal can't be gourmet. Sometimes you just need to not be hungry anymore.

I just finished a protein bar for a total of 380 cals today. I'll have a little something later if I feel like I really need it.

Caramel, I like Trader Joe's Smokey Peach salsa (10 cals per tbls I think) on my fish. I didn't think I could do fish on a DD at first since what I really like is tartar sauce, but this is pretty good. I like it on white fish like Mahi Mahi or Tilapia.

[PMoon]

I've had a good DD today. umm... Tuna salad, some yogurt, coffee (doctored up.) About 384 calories and some chicken broth if I get hungry later.

I am a Great-Aunt!! My sister's son's girlfriend had a baby tonight. A little girl named Ashlen Olivia. She weighs 7 lbs 3 oz & 21.5" long. Mom & baby are doing great.

[Whitlin']

Jaysma, you are about my height but already lower than my weight and with a lower goal. So since I consider myself in maintenance (bobbling up a pound and a half right now, which I will tame), I'll tell you that maintenance on JUDDD will also be great when you get there. I like that you chose 139 as goal weight, btw! I chose 149 instead of 150, because 150 is not where I want to BE, it's what I want to be UNDER.

Today's a DD for me. I was on Tues, Thurs, Sat DDs this week but had to switch things up again for scheduling - event tomorrow. I am sitting right at 500 calories and rather than adding another 100 as I usually would heading back to goal, I think this time I'll just stay here, to hopefully go ahead and move another half-pound out of the way.

Today I ate:

1/2 banana, 5 large grapes cut in half, arranged in "fruit salad"
McCann's Irish Oatmeal 1/2 cup, 1/2 tsp honey, 1 cup Almond Breeze
tossed salad w/ green peas, onions, a little cheese, mayo
1/2 cup homemade soup, 1/2 cup Almond Breeze

(Yes, I do sometimes have small fruit meals on JUDDD.)

But before any of the new-to-JUDDD folks think wow, the calories are so restrictive... ...

At the convenience store with dh today, I looked at all the wonderful offerings and shrugged, saying "that's tomorrow - ANYTHING I want then, I can HAVE"! I bought a new flavor of sugarfree gum that looks interesting and am very content! My dessert this evening is the satisfaction of successful Alternate Day calorie restriction. If the scale agrees with me tomorrow, that will be very sweet. If the scale is still waiting, I can smile about my good health-and-life-extension choice anyway.

Hope everyone on either DD or UD today reaches the evening with success.

[Beezle]

I finished reading the book tonight. One point was a real revelation for me.

Variety may be the spice of life but there is ample science showing the greater the variety in a diet, the higher the calorie intake. The National Weight Control Registry participants have very low levels of variety. Monotony in flavor is helpful in reducing how much you eat... I suggest that you find 5 recipes of low-calorie density food that you enjoy and can eat over and over.

This has been the secret to my maintaining a 60lb loss for 1.5yrs. I have a handful of meals I make over and over. Now and then I'll make up a new one or abandon an old one, but it's rare. I have them listed in spreadsheet so I know the cal/protein/fat/carb count for each.

I started JUDDD because I want to lose, not just maintain, but I don't want to mess with success too much. I don't have to reinvent how I eat to fit JUDD. I'm just going have one of my go to meals on DDs, instead of 3 with snacks. They are all anywhere from 225 -570 cals, so it's perfect. I'm not even going to worry about how many calories they are or if I can fit in a snack if the meal I want is particularly low cal. The less thinking the better.

The other interesting point was about addiction. I wouldn't say I'm "addicted" to nuts, but if I start thinking about nuts, I can't stop until I've eaten 1000+ calories of them. Today I had 4 packages of vending machine peanuts at work. I didn't eat any food the day before, and they were the only food I had today. I have to give them up. No more nuts. I need to reset my brain.

[Leo41]

Weekly Weigh In

Down a pound, and I was disappointed because I've eaten so sparingly this week with no grains or dairy, and I am feeling so good that I hoped there'd be a big drop in the scale, too.

But when I look at the month, I see that my loss will be consistent with previous months (4-5 lbs), so there's no real reason to be disappointed. I think I was hoping that improving the quality of my diet would result in bigger losses.

As Whitlin' commented, I need to focus on how my good choices in eating are improving my health. I don't know that I entirely agree with the principles behind "primal" eating, but I do know that I really feel best without starch, grains, and dairy. And at 209.5, I'm at the lowest weight I've been in 32 years

[GrammyPat]

Haven't posted in awhile but have been reading all posts with great interest and sincere good wishes to all of you. Congratulations Leo on being the lowest weight ever! You are my hero Woman! And I'm taking notes about all the great DD foods from the rest of you! My nemesis lately is not getting enough sleep... I use a CPAP and sometimes i wake up in the middle of the night having trouble breathing because of the emphysema, and I go to the living room, sit on the couch and watch TV (with it muted) to go back to sleep again. This happened two nights in a row. And yesterday was my DD. At work, I couldn't resist the lebkuchen (German spice cookie) that was offered. Wellll, that triggered the great chocolate binge for me...I ate 1200 calories in chocolate...oh man. Then we took my grandson out to Cracker Barrel for dinner; had pecan pancakes...and I'm yawning through the whole day practically. So last night, I took a Tylenol PM (my equivalent of a sleeping pill) and slept through the night with my CPAP. Am making today a DD...so lesson learned. My next goal is to get my UD meals in order like my DD meals are and pick some recipes and stick with them. My UD are very sporadic in terms of calories but I find I am trending towards eating more veggies on the UD which is progress since I normally am a meat and bread person with lots of nuts thrown in...

[Whitlin']

Well, it is 7:30 here on the morning of the next day and my scale tells me I've lost the half-pound I expected from the DD I described to you all late last night. I really wanted to come here right away and tell this, because for the rest of the day, in real life, I will be find few people who believe I can understand a way of eating this well and feel confident that "if not today, then with next week's DDs, I'll lose weight". They think I am having "luck", or starving myself.

Today I will aim for 1,800 calories or less and simply enjoy myself at the event I'll attend.

This has been the secret to my maintaining a 60lb loss for 1.5yrs. I have a handful of meals I make over and over. Now and then I'll make up a new one or abandon an old one, but it's rare. I have them listed in spreadsheet so I know the cal/protein/fat/carb count for each.

I started JUDDD because I want to lose, not just maintain, but I don't want to mess with success too much. I don't have to reinvent how I eat to fit JUDD. I'm just going have one of my go to meals on DDs, instead of 3 with snacks. They are all anywhere from 225 -570 cals, so it's perfect. I'm not even going to worry about how many calories they are or if I can fit in a snack if the meal I want is particularly low cal. The less thinking the better.

The other interesting point was about addiction. I wouldn't say I'm "addicted" to nuts, but if I start thinking about nuts, I can't stop until I've eaten 1000+ calories of them. Today I had 4 packages of vending machine peanuts at work. I didn't eat any food the day before, and they were the only food I had today. I have to give them up. No more nuts. I need to reset my brain.

Beezle, thanks for the great JUDDD insight there. However, I'd be very worried about the back-to-back days of either zero nourishment or not eating because you had had vending machine nuts. Please have an UP of nourishing food including vegetables, K?

But when I look at the month, I see that my loss will be consistent with previous months (4-5 lbs), so there's no real reason to be disappointed. I think I was hoping that improving the quality of my diet would result in bigger losses.

As Whitlin' commented, I need to focus on how my good choices in eating are improving my health. I don't know that I entirely agree with the principles behind "primal" eating, but I do know that I really feel best without starch, grains, and dairy. And at 209.5, I'm at the lowest weight I've been in 32 years

Woo Hoo! A NEW low weight - you deserve an ovation, so multiply that , Leo! The quality of your diet IS having big results... ... oh, if only your body could tell it all in an outward manner. The scale may simply be steady progress, but overall the excellent eating is certainly doing much good. Woo Hoo, again!

(Grammy Pat) do you think the change of seasons in some way is having an effect with the breathing/sleepless nights? If so, part may be over soon. Good thinking on the Tylenol PM - my parents' family doctor says it is an ideal go-to help for sleeplessness, because effects are so benign. And she says any possible med-effects are minor weighed against the effects of sleep deprivation for them. (I asked her because I was worried.) I'm glad you're back posting. I had mentioned Teresa Tapp to you many pages back. My dh is considering going to a specialist in other contraptions/methods besides the CPAP. I don't know what he might suggest - mouth appliances, maybe. Does dairy affect CPAP success for you as some think (mucus forming food, for some).

Everyone have a wonderful weekend!