OCT. JUDDD/Alternate Day Diet

[BillB]

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[Leo41]

Snaggle-

It's WATER! Anytime we're eating low carb, it's diuretic, but any carbs at all (i.e., raising the level) will cause the body to retain water to metabolize the carbs. It's permanent water (we have a lot of water) unfortunately. That's why people get those big drops on the Main Lobby when they go from a very carby diet into Atkins induction. It's dropping that water.

I suspect since you were eating some carbs before the 6-Week, some of your loss was that water that's now come back. I was eating just about 30g of carbs a day when I tried meat/eggs (almost zero carbs), and sure enough, the lbs I lost came right back as soon as I added back my veggies.

That's why I have no plans to do anything to 'nudge' my weight loss. It's just JUDDD and healthy eating for me for now.

You are so close to goal that I would think regular DDs would take care of those few pounds for you.

[snaggle]

Thanks Leo. I know it is probably water, but at my size I am amazed that it can account for 5 lbs. The other thing is that I am doing a 3 day per week weight lifting regimen and I think I may be building some muscle.
I have pretty much given up all hope of hitting goal by Thanksgiving. I will plug away, but even if I lose at my usual pace, I can still only hope to hit about 144 by then. I am thinkin' these last 10-15 lbs will be SLOW GOIN'.
If I ever decide to switch to something else for a quick fix or diversion, I want Y'all to
tell me NOOOO!

[Beezle]

Originally Posted by snaggle

Thanks Leo. I know it is probably water, but at my size I am amazed that it can account for 5 lbs. The other thing is that I am doing a 3 day per week weight lifting regimen and I think I may be building some muscle.
I have pretty much given up all hope of hitting goal by Thanksgiving. I will plug away, but even if I lose at my usual pace, I can still only hope to hit about 144 by then. I am thinkin' these last 10-15 lbs will be SLOW GOIN'.
If I ever decide to switch to something else for a quick fix or diversion, I want Y'all to
tell me NOOOO!

My entire year and a half of maintaining was really a series of trying to lose doing something quick, then going back to normal eating. The sum effect was maintenance. If you try to do it again, I'll ask you if maintenance is really your goal

[Leo41]

Snaggle-

I'm not saying it's all water, but even at your size, 5lbs of water is nothing. Water is heavy.

Let me share a wonderful story about water. I've always had a tendency to retain water as soon as I get sick. About 30 years ago, I got the flu and went to a walk-in clinic that was staffed by our university hospital residents to see if I could get something for it. At the time, I was dieting (of course!), so I knew my exact weight. When they weighed me, I was 12 lbs heavier, and when they took my BP, it was high (from the water). I knew what it was (although I was surprised at 12 lbs. During TOM, I typically retained 5-7 lbs). The doctor went nuts over my BP, and I kept insisting it was water, especially since in those days my BP always ran low. He gave me something for my flu but insisted I had to return in a week to have my BP checked.

When my fever broke and I began recovering during that week, I spent a lot of time running to the bathroom. Sure enough, when I went back and was weighed, I was down 12 lbs. Now, however, the resident insisted that I was diabetic because no one could lose that much in less than a week except a diabetic. I ignored him and went on my way. That's my favorite story about retaining water.

By the way, since you're into lifting, you may find that your goal of 140 is too low. As you scupt your body, I think you'll look better and wear a smaller size at a higher weight than you're used to--at least that's what folks report.

But you also need to keep reminding yourself of what you've accomplished and not fret about the final few pounds. You've done a magnificant job of losing weight!

[caramel]

Hello everyone

Can I rejoin this group, seems so active was here a long time ago and looks like I see some familiar faces. Been actively doing Juddd all the while with some slip-ups. everyone have a great day

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by caramel

Hello everyone

Can I rejoin this group, seems so active was here a long time ago and looks like I see some familiar faces. Been actively doing Juddd all the while with some slip-ups. everyone have a great day

O there you are! Yes please jump on in.

[giJ]

Originally Posted by BillB

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Bill? You ok?

Originally Posted by Leo41

Let me share a wonderful story about water. I've always had a tendency to retain water as soon as I get sick. About 30 years ago, I got the flu and went to a walk-in clinic that was staffed by our university hospital residents to see if I could get something for it. At the time, I was dieting (of course!), so I knew my exact weight. When they weighed me, I was 12 lbs heavier, and when they took my BP, it was high (from the water). I knew what it was (although I was surprised at 12 lbs. During TOM, I typically retained 5-7 lbs). The doctor went nuts over my BP, and I kept insisting it was water, especially since in those days my BP always ran low. He gave me something for my flu but insisted I had to return in a week to have my BP checked.

When my fever broke and I began recovering during that week, I spent a lot of time running to the bathroom. Sure enough, when I went back and was weighed, I was down 12 lbs. Now, however, the resident insisted that I was diabetic because no one could lose that much in less than a week except a diabetic. I ignored him and went on my way. That's my favorite story about retaining water.

Interesting.... I don't tend to retain water, for better or worse. This means no huge WHOOSH when I switch to low carb, no big gain at TOM, or anything. I tend to be VERY steady when it comes to that. But oh! How I would love to see a 12 lb loss, just one [and the look on the doc's face when you proved him wrong wouldn't be bad, either!]

Originally Posted by caramel

Hello everyone

Can I rejoin this group, seems so active was here a long time ago and looks like I see some familiar faces. Been actively doing Juddd all the while with some slip-ups. everyone have a great day

The more the merrier!


I would just like to say: I'm so thrilled at the amount of activity here for the past week. I figure activity = dedication. Keep it up, y'all!

[PMoon]

I am in the middle of a DD and I just had something very delicious!

Y'all are familiar with sardines, right? Well, I've been trying to eat more fish, only it costs a flippin' fortune. And... Well, i eat sardines sometimes. But I never thought they were great. Just edible. While I was out shopping I picked up a new flavor to try. I ate it at home and it was really good!! It was a little tin of sardines with mustard & dill. they didn't taste too fishy at all. I found myself scraping every last drop out of the can it was so good. LOL

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by PMoon

I am in the middle of a DD and I just had something very delicious!

Y'all are familiar with sardines, right? Well, I've been trying to eat more fish, only it costs a flippin' fortune. And... Well, i eat sardines sometimes. But I never thought they were great. Just edible. While I was out shopping I picked up a new flavor to try. I ate it at home and it was really good!! It was a little tin of sardines with mustard & dill. they didn't taste too fishy at all. I found myself scraping every last drop out of the can it was so good. LOL

I'm putting this on my list! I like sardines and I like mustard and dill so...

[Leo41]

Cassandra-

I think it's the DD phenomenon. I love fish but used to avoid sardines, thinking of them as "yucky." But a few months back, I was reading labels and noticed how much good protein I could get from them for few calories, and I tried them again on a DD. They've become a DD staple! Perhaps many things taste better on a DD?

giJ-

No, I never proved the doctor wrong--that's impossible with most American male physicians At first he decided I had high blood pressure, and then when my pressure was fine but I'd lost 12 lbs, he decided that I was diabetic. What irked me is that I was giving him a totally logical explanation for what happened (based on my experience with my own body), and he just wouldn't listen. Unless it 'fit' with what his textbooks had told him, he was lost.

[Beezle]

I've never tried sardines, but I love sea food and convenience food. I'll have to try those too

Day 9 UD – 136
I was very hungry this morning but I managed to just eat my normal breakfast and lunch. I really focused on enjoying my food today. I went outside to enjoy the sunshine with my cashews. I watched House with my BF while having a glass of wine. And I plan to watch The Biggest Loser (guilty pleasure) with my low carb pizza tonight.

Breakfast: canned salmon mixed with tomato paste, chopped olives, and a chopped boiled egg
Lunch: 1 cup plain yogurt mixed with cocoa powder, cinnamon, and 2 tbsp flax
Snack: handful of cashews
Dinner: ½ low carb pizza made with a cauliflower crust
Red Wine
Cals: 1550
Exercise: 30 min weights (Chalean Extreme video)

I was lethargic today and unmotivated to workout, so I closed my eyes and asked myself what was my motivation. The last time I did this the answer was I wanted to do the workout with perfect form just like the instructor. Today the answer was I just wanted to get it done and over with. It was a good enough answer and I got it done.

[snaggle]

Leo is our resident sardine expert I believe.
Feel free to chime in Leo with your preferred brand and style.
I used to eat them as a kid so I have no idea why I have such an aversion to even trying them now. They are such a good source of protein and Omega 3. I gotta go get a can of the mustard dill ones.

Goal for the week: eat a can of sardines.

Caramel- welcome back! Good for you that you have stuck to plan.

Leo- The thing that kills me is that if it is water, then that means I only lost one lb.
of fat in four weeks of that hellish 6 week cure. I mean, no wine, no caffeine, those stupid shakes, I even gave blood, for god's sake! (could I BE a bigger whiner?)

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by snaggle

Leo is our resident sardine expert I believe.
Feel free to chime in Leo with your preferred brand and style.
I used to eat them as a kid so I have no idea why I have such an aversion to even trying them now. They are such a good source of protein and Omega 3. I gotta go get a can of the mustard dill ones.

Goal for the week: eat a can of sardines.

Caramel- welcome back! Good for you that you have stuck to plan.

Leo- The thing that kills me is that if it is water, then that means I only lost one lb.
of fat in four weeks of that hellish 6 week cure. I mean, no wine, no caffeine, those stupid shakes, I even gave blood, for god's sake! (could I BE a bigger whiner?)

I don't blame you! I'd be miffed too. Its sad but it might just need to be chalked up in the "failed experiment" column. Which is WAY DIFFERENT than the "failed attempt" column. You totally did it. And did it right. It just didn't deliver as promised. Oh and if I were you I'd be posting a big bitter rain on everyone's parade post about it in the six week cure thread LOL.

[snaggle]

oops, I forgot to add Leo, I am only 5'3" and fairly small framed. I really would look
better at 120, but THAT is never going to happen and I know that to get there, let
alone maintain that would be difficult.
I only picked 140 because that is the highest number possible that still puts me in the
"normal" bmi range. The range goes from like 110-140, and I should probably be in the middle.
God knows, I would love to call goal at this point, but I have come this far, I might as well get to a weight that is somewhat legit.

[BillB]

Hey everyone,

Sorry about the earlier post. I was ranting about something that really wasn't worth the discussion, so I deleted it.

Leo...yeah, I know apple is pretty high glycemic. I did that test to check, because I have been getting spikes from green beans, broccoli and peppers too. I always eat veggies with protein and fat too. I ate the 1/4 apple at the same time I ate turkey and cream cheese. Fruit has *always* been problematic for me on LC, even berries. In the past, I could have / tolerate small servings. This apple experiment was my first real dabble with fruit since my T2 dx. I should have known better.

I can relate to Cassandra...I can hardly get out of bed. But I know I am not depressed (that feels different, and worse, than this). I am so tired and sore. However, I have no fever, no sore throat. Just congestion, coughing and fatigue. (Guaifenesin tastes and smells disgusting). I could barely eat again today, Mom made for me this really simple souffle...it's so high calorie I wouldn't normally eat it, but that was the point, this time. Cheese, eggs, heavy cream. And I still only made it to 1400 cals today. It was good, but I am too sick to really enjoy food.

Snaggle, almost forgot. You are so close to goal...I think you should stop thinking about it. I am sure your real "goal" is not a number, it's a way you feel, the clothes you want to fit in, the way you look, etc. I think for almost everyone, those last few pounds are very tough. Our bodies were designed to carry some reserves. I don't suggest that you give up, but I suggest that you focus less on the small amount you still want to lose. Exercise more if you feel like it and if you have time. I guess what I think works for people with just a little to lose is diligent maintenance--don't splurge, don't eat junk, get some exercise. If you try to rush off those few pounds, you could lose muscle. Nobody wants that, right? I know you can do it.

A big shout out to everyone else. I am nyquil'd out now...got to lay down.

--bill

[snaggle]

Kisha- I was thinking of writing a review on Amazon, but haven't gotten around to it.
Besides the fact that it failed me in delivering "a cure", it really was not a very good book or well written plan. I did a bit of naysaying on the thread but it is not a group I really felt I could do that with. I will just leave it at that.
There are lots of folks who seem to be having success with it, but to me it is just a lame Atkins re-hash. The fact that the book has no success stories other than the Dr.Eades own vague references, speaks volumes, I believe.
I know Leo really likes Protein Power and I did have it at one time, but I may need to go back and re-read it. Although at this point, I am just happy being a JUDDDer.

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by snaggle

Kisha- I was thinking of writing a review on Amazon, but haven't gotten around to it.
Besides the fact that it failed me in delivering "a cure", it really was not a very good book or well written plan. I did a bit of naysaying on the thread but it is not a group I really felt I could do that with. I will just leave it at that.
There are lots of folks who seem to be having success with it, but to me it is just a lame Atkins re-hash. The fact that the book has no success stories other than the Dr.Eades own vague references, speaks volumes, I believe.
I know Leo really likes Protein Power and I did have it at one time, but I may need to go back and re-read it. Although at this point, I am just happy being a JUDDDer.

I've got protein power. I have it somewhere and I've read it in the last year or so. As an experienced Atkinseer though I had a hard time really seeing what about it was so different from Atkins. I mean I liked how it helped me calculate my LBM (Lean Body Mass) which is aparently about 126LBS... which helped me set my goal range realistically. Other than that though I guess its only different in that it starts by calculating your protein needs then you fill in the rest with fat and don't eat more than ten carbs with each meal. Meh. Lord knows I'd just be doing Atkins if I could lose on it which I can't anymore
So here I am combining JUDD with OWL Atkins Carbs.

[snaggle]

Bill- you are such a sweet guy!! Thanks for making me feel better.
I do feel great right now and really am not that hell bent on getting to goal quick, I just
get so discouraged when I gain.

I hope there is no chance you have the swine flu. I have heard that it's main thing is that it totally just knocks you down and wipes you out. Take care and rest!!

[GME]

Originally Posted by snaggle

Leo- The thing that kills me is that if it is water, then that means I only lost one lb.
of fat in four weeks of that hellish 6 week cure. I mean, no wine, no caffeine, those stupid shakes, I even gave blood, for god's sake! (could I BE a bigger whiner?)

I never posted but I followed that thread, thinking I might give it a try in the future but it doesn't really seem to be working out for much of anyone. Especially for how much hassle it seems to be.

I'm hanging around after school waiting for my last parent-teacher conference to get here.

I had a little girl collapse in class today. She didn't faint, but she was standing in the back of the room, holding something for a lesson and said "I feel dizzy" and laid down on the floor. When I felt her forehead she was all cold and clammy. Her mom came and took her to the doctor. I'm guessing she got hit with the flu. Yipes.

[GME]

I think I'm not a breakfast person anymore. I have always eaten it, because I "should." Most important meal of the day, yadda, yadda. Well, when I started JUDDD I wanted to put off eating as long as I could on my DD so I skipped BF. No harm, no foul so I stopped eating it before work on UDs too. I still ate it on the weekend, but that usually isn't until 10 or so.

I had breakfast this morning and I was starving ALL DAY. Gah

[Whitlin']

Caramel, it's great to hear you've been JUDDD-ing! I hope you post more often. You were very inspirational to me back in April.

Gina, when a too-early breakfast happens to me on DD the best I can do is try to have tiny meals through the day rather than giving in to even what I'd nomally have as a meal on DD. If it was protein for breakfast at least that is better. Oh, the poor little girl - feeling lousy and probably embarrassed, too.

Bill, the H1N1 flu would almost certainly have you running a fever by now - that is one of its hallmarks.

Oh, I love sardines, PMoon! And I always have the feeling my body will make good things out of them. Have never seen that variety. Nice to hear they are good in case I run into them.

snaggle, your posts today reminded me that you once asked about my height - I'm 5'6" and a bit. So my 149 goal weight makes sense for me. I can see how you would like to lose some more at 5'3", but the low 140s would be a healthy consistent weight, too, so even though you will head downward some more, you are already successful (and "legit"!).

Beezle, today my answer was to get a half-hour workout done while I was alone in the house! Tomorrow my dh is home all day and I simply don't have workouts that are as good when family is around. Even when I don't hear them at all I will become distracted wondering what it is I don't hear!!! When they are gone I can concentrate on good form.

[EmandM]

Originally Posted by GME

I think I'm not a breakfast person anymore. I have always eaten it, because I "should." Most important meal of the day, yadda, yadda. Well, when I started JUDDD I wanted to put off eating as long as I could on my DD so I skipped BF. No harm, no foul so I stopped eating it before work on UDs too. I still ate it on the weekend, but that usually isn't until 10 or so.

I had breakfast this morning and I was starving ALL DAY. Gah

I am a teacher too. How scary. I hope the student is ok (and I hope you washed your hands lol)!

I am the same with breakfast. I never wanted it, even as a kid and I can remember arguing with my parents. Them: "you have to have it, it's the most important meal of the day" Me: "but I'm not hungry and don't want any." As I got older they stopped pestering me about it! On the days I would eat it I'd be starving all day, so I don't eat it. I do have it on the weekends as well, and like you, I have it much later (sometimes at 11)!

[cherlyndria77]

G'day mates, I'm back!

So I ignored the very good advice of my fellow juddders and ate myself into a sugar coma while I recovered from the flu. I felt so guilty and embarrassed about the whole thing, so I avoided posting or weighing myself. I finally bit the bullet on Sunday and had a great dd, coupled with some fun sessions on wii fit and when I weighed in on Monday the damage turned out to be negligible - no weight change at all!!! Hurray! So I'm back on plan and feeling good.

It's been great to read all your posts, so much has been happening with all of you. I would just like to thank Bill, Kisha, Leo for the advice and motivation! You guys are awesome xxx
Welcome to the new comers, congrats to the losers (I'm looking at you misty!) and chin up to those who are trying their hardest xxx

[onceNforall]

I've been doing a MWF rotation of DD's. Just found out I'm going to need Friday and Sunday to be UD's this week due to social obligations. So far I've had a perfect DD on Monday, not so perfect UD yesterday and not sure how to handle today and tomorrow. I'm thinking of making today a controlled MD (1000-1200 calories) with tomorrow being another DD. Or should I make today my DD with a MD tomorrow? Maybe that's better as I'd being doing a DD today after a full UD yesterday instead of after a MD.

Now even I'm confused!!

Unfortunately I have to leave here in an hour as it's my day with my Alzheimer's patient and need to pack my lunch. Guess I'll stick with my DD today as that is easier in a controlled environment, rather than at home. Guess I'm just rambling on here to myself, but it helps running it by you guys. I've never tried a MD since restarting JUDD and don't think I ever had a successful one before in my attempts. Tomorrow will be a challenge.

I CAN DO HARD THINGS!

[Leo41]

Caramel-

Welcome back to posting. I remember your inspirational posts and am looking forward to hearing more from you.

Bill-
I hope you're feeling better soon, but I'm concerned. Have you contacted your doctor? I ask because I know that flu is very serious for diabetics, and I hope you're getting medical attention.

Snaggle-
I agree with Bill that you should forget about goal, focus on doing JUDDD as well as you can, etc., and just 'coast' into your goal weight. It might be slow, but it will be sure this way. I've seen people report that when they gave up close to goal and just focused on maintaining, they found themselves gradually losing anyway and got to goal. So perhaps you can do it that way. By the way, you're not whining--if I gave up coffee, I'd want at least a 10 lb loss!

As I mentioned when the book first came out, I had bad feelings about it because the Eades seem to be all about $$ these days, and I was especially concerned when he posted that he didn't mention "low carb" because his publisher advised him that it wouldn't 'sell.' If you look around, you see that "belly fat" diets are the big thing these days, and it seemed to me that they quickly concocted something to take advantage of the market.

And I think they'd always be able to report some success stories because there will be people who are eating like crazy and decide to go on a diet who will experience a significant loss simply because they make such a radical change. But for us regular careful eaters, such plans probably aren't successful because we're already restricting, etc.

It's too bad because, unlike Kisha, I really liked Protein Power. Basically, it emphasizes getting sufficient protein, which is important to avoid muscle wasting, and losing fat instead, and I think that's important with the low calories that I have to deal with. In addition, the advice of no more than
10g of carbs at any one time coincides with Dr. Bernstein's advice for diabetics--i.e., 10g or less will not evoke an insulin response. I find I lose better focusing on those principles (with JUDDD) than Atkins--as you probably know, there's not much difference in the plans themselves; it's really a matter of focus.

Cher-
I can totally relate to your 'sugar recovery' from illness! Whenever I'm ill, I feel sorry for myself and want to eat everything in sight. It's good to know that you didn't do any damage and that you're well.

[PMoon]

Originally Posted by Leo41

As I mentioned when the book first came out, I had bad feelings about it because the Eades seem to be all about $$ these days, and I was especially concerned when he posted that he didn't mention "low carb" because his publisher advised him that it wouldn't 'sell.' If you look around, you see that "belly fat" diets are the big thing these days, and it seemed to me that they quickly concocted something to take advantage of the market.

You know, I have been reading the Eades blog sometimes over the past few months. I was surprised and sort of confused when I read what they wrote about intermittent fasting. He said they both tried it for a while. And while they were doing it, they both ate higher carb food. I can't remember what all, exactly. But grains and starchy vegetables at least. He said they lost some weight on it and found it easy to do, but after being on it a while, they gradually and naturally went back to their daily low carb eating. He suggested that it would probably work better if people did IF and low carb at the same time.

I don't know why I was so taken aback by that. It just seemed weird to me that doctors who insist to the world that LC is the healthy way for everyone to live (and basically base their whole livelihood on it) would even consider eating otherwise for an extended period of time... Am I making sense. I don't feel like I'm explaining my posistion very well. Maybe it's too confusing to me to put it into words. LOL

[mistydisa]

This isn't JUDDD related, but I hope I can still get your input.

My cruise is at the end of November. We did not take the insurance, so if we back out or can't go for any reason, we forfeit the money. My MIL, FIL, and nephew are going with us, so they would also be super-disappointed if my husband, daughter, and I couldn't go.

I have purchased tickets for two different concerts in November. I am going with some other family members, but my husband is not going (not his kind of music).

Now it has occurred to me that I'm going to be in a building with thousands of other people (in relatively close contact), some of whom are bound to be sick.

Do I go to the concerts and just hope for the best, or play it safe and stay home?

[giJ]

I say: life is too short to always worry about stuff like that.

OK, fine. You're worried about getting sick. Take various immune boosting stuff before the concert, if you want. (Airborne, zinc/Cold-eeze, Zicam (but not the swabs), etc.) But GO!

[Unless you're looking for an excuse to bail on the concerts, that is.]

[nitenurse]

In retrospect, I guess that the 6 week cure was a good thing for me, inasmuch as it made me more aware of modifying things that stress my liver. And, oddly enough, since returning to JUDDDD; I am still losing inches on that Visceral fat measurement, even though the scale is stuck.
I think the book did get edited to pieces, I will always like the protein Power books-I try to make sure I get enough protein every day to make the JUDDD work for me; it isn't hard to fit that into the DDs, and be more aware of what I am eating on the UDs-I have to stick with lowcarb if I want to feel good, 10 carbs a meal sounds very workable.
I don't know if I ever would do the 6 week cure again, I was toying with trying it again in January, but if I do I think I will only do the weeks 1-2 and then go back to JUDDD again.
When I quit the ibuprofen I was in a world of hurt, I don't think I will ever give that up again. I should try to find out more about the anti-inflammatory diet you spoke of, Leo.
Thanks.