OCT. JUDDD/Alternate Day Diet

[nitenurse]

I agree with you, Leo, since I am a highmileage dieter, too (age 70). I eat lowcarb because I feel better, and once in awhile I choose to eat carbs knowing full well I'll feel rotten for a day.
I am thankful I can still eat most vegetables, and butter and cream, and meat etc on my UDs; and I am using a lowcarb bread, kind of experimenting with that to see if I can get away with it.
It is a lot better for me to be able to say that I feel better when I don't eat those carby things, than to feel deprived, too. Apparently my brain is listening, if noone else cares.lol.
I think we all find our way to what is comfortable, took a lot of hits and misses for me. I plan on using JUDDD the rest of my life, too, for health reasons. Hopefully I will get back to some pain relief with it in a few weeks.
Thanks for the info Leo, you always reinforce my truth. Again welcome Stevie, hope you like it here.

[Stevie Renee]

Dear Leo,
thank you. I did post a lot over there because I was so into it. Thanks for the welcome and run down - I wonder if I can rent the Primal book at my library. I will check.



giJ,
thanks for the info and welcome.

Nitenurse! Hi! Nice to see you

Thanks folks!

[snaggle]

Sherrie- Weekends are totally my downfall too. I had two updays this weekend and am really feeling bloated and crappy. For me it isn't having bad food around the house, but between an oktoberfest party with incredible food Sat. and my book club dinner last night, which was crazy decadent (southern food themed because of the book), I ate over 4000 cal in two days. I did only eat a light lunch yesterday in anticipation of the big meal, but I just wish I could have passed up more last night.

Scared to weigh tomorrow.

StevieRenee- so glad to see you here.
If you read the book, you will see that for up days, he does recommend a "healthy" diet, but his notion of that is lower fat and higher carb than many of us low carb advocates would like. As you can see by some of our posts (me, sherrie, etc.) the problem is that the lack of restrictions on our up days often leads to overindulgence in foods that are not healthy and that trigger more eating.
I told myself when I went back to JUDDD from the 6wkcure that I would avoid sugar, and bad carbs but I have already broken that vow and I am annoyed with myself.
Juddd works, but you have to use common sense and eat well.

[onceNforall]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

Sherrie ~ I'm just like you in that if I have yummy leftovers in the house from the previous day's UD, I tend to want to make that day an UD, too. I start thinking of reasons why I NEED to make that day an UD (Uh, I'll need to alter my schedule anyway because I'll need next Saturday to be an UD for X special event and right now it's slotted to be a DD, so I might as well go ahead and make today an UD.... Yum, yum, yum let me at those leftovers!) I've learned I just can't have tempting food in the house. I'm also a bit of a dessert-goddess (hahaha) amongst my family and friends, so I love to bake and try new recipes, BUT I make my husband promise he will take the leftovers to work with him the next day.

Dr. Phil's weight loss book never really did much for me, but I did like how he talked about there's no such thing as willpower; it all comes down to controlling your environment, i.e. no uber-tempting food allowed in the house.

Don't beat yourself up. You're only human.

Oh, Misty....we sound so much alike! I can't have tempting foods around at all either and especially desserts! I did send leftovers home with several people at the party but my husband is a sweets eater too (without the weight problem I have) and wanted a piece or two to take home. The thing is...he can have a piece/day of something, while I'm of the mindset "let's finish this off so I can get back on plan".

It's a learning process, I guess.

[onceNforall]

Originally Posted by Stevie Renee

Good morning, can ya stand another person asking questions?! lol

My name is Stevie and I "met" Snaggle over at the 6 week Cure thread. We lost about the same thing during our challenge.

I am just confused on the 2 weeks begin part. Does it look like this:
Day one: dd
Day two: up
So on and so forth for 2 weeks?

How about alcohol on the UD?

thanks for posting. I am intriqued.

Stevie

Stevie.... I'll let the more experienced answer your questions. We have a great group here and glad to have you join us.

Originally Posted by giJ

Sherrie ~~ Honestly, I think it takes time to get used to UDs, too. You will learn to eat normally - as long as your binge-worthy foods aren't in your house (or, at least, are in the freezer, not the counter/refrigerator, making them that much more accessible).

Over 2 weeks ago, I hit within 1/2 a lb of my next goal. I then promptly went up 2 lbs. And then 3 more, even though I certainly did not eat that much. As of today, I'm back down to with that 1/2 lb. Today is a DD, so I may make it tomorrow. This next week is going to be all messed up (T and R should be my UD, but I have a friend coming to town on Friday for 4 days of eating and drinking, so I really wanted R to be a DD. I may try to keep it to a MD.) but it will all work out in the long term.

Hope today's DD gets you to that next goal!! Do you think we sabotage ourselves when we're so close? I've often wonder that about myself as I near a goal or accomplish it and then right back up there.

[onceNforall]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Sherrie-

In my experience, 90% of this is psychological. I should have lost weight eons ago, but my 'head' just wasn't in the right place. You mentioned 'age,' so I thought I'd share what works for me, since my age (68) is a factor.

What keeps me on track is that I don't consider this a 'diet'--it truly is the way I plan to eat for the rest of my life. Now I'm seriously restricting calories because I'm in a 'lose' mode, but I'll add calories when I want to just maintain.

However, WHAT I eat is important to my health, so I've had little difficulty eliminating all starch, grains, sugar, and even dairy (that last is still an experiment; the others are final). I don't get 'tempted' by bad carbs because I want to be as healthy as possible, and I know they're poison for me. I love pasta and rice and I have the biggest sweet tooth in the world (never met a dessert I didn't love), but by avoiding these things (I never say never), I have more energy, less pain, and sleep better than at any time in recent years. And I want to avoid the diabetes that my two sisters now have.

I've recently been reading on the Primal Blueprint website (because that's close to how I'm eating these days), and the author, Mark Sisson, refers to eating 80% primal. That is, he understands that we all will have an occasional dessert or big dish of pasta, and that's OK if 80% of the time, we're eating healthily. But that doesn't mean one can indulge every weekend because that simply undercuts the previous week's efforts.

When you explain your off-plan eating, I get a feeling (and I could be wrong) that you have a sense of deprivation that's driving you to carbs. Do you ever think, "I can't have [specific food]? If so that reflects deprivation. I say to myself (and others), "I don't eat--sugar, starch, whatever." In other words, I can if I want to but I choose not to. There's a big difference although it might seem only words. Mentally, I'll allow myself to eat anything and any time, but when faced with a choice, I ask myself if this item is right for me, and almost always, I will reject the unhealthy choice.

Please don't think I'm preaching at you. I want so much for you to experience success and reach your personal goals, and I'd like to help in any way I can. This is working for me right now, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I'll be able to stay in this place long term. I hope you find a good psychological place for yourself.

Oh Leo, I would never think you were "preaching". I, like others on this forum, find your experience and ideas invaluable.

I too know the bad carbs are poison for me. I often wonder what it's going to take for me to put my health above instant gratification, or as Dr. Phil puts it....having a party in my mouth. I have the best intentions but then seem to cave 50% of the time.

I have been yo yo dieting since age 11 (52 years now) and I think a lot of it is psychological. I truly have gained most of my weight getting ready to start the next "diet". That's why this WOE appeals to me so...it is a lifestyle I feel I can live with because I don't feel deprived. But it's so hard to break that habit of thinking of food as either being "bad" or "good". I think I said in another post that I find it difficult to have a small portion of something and leave the rest for another day. It is "deprivation" thinking...so many times I've thought "I'll never be able to have this again". It's gonna take me a while to get my mind around the idea that nothing is off limits. I like the idea of "eating healthy 80% of the time".

I'll get the hang of this eventually, but please don't stop letting us know what is working for you. I envy your patience and consistency...maybe that will come in time for me too. I'm NEVER giving up!!

[Leo41]

Sherrie-

I can NEVER have a 'small portion' of anything, much less desserts, etc. Fortunately, I live alone and can fairly well manage what I have in the house. I had to stop doing serious cooking some time ago because of my arthritis, so if I entertain, I tend to invite people to a restaurant. But a few weeks ago, I had some friends over on a Sunday afternoon and served cake and ice cream. I had eaten most of the leftover cake before I came to my senses and dumped the ice cream down the sink.

When my family visits, I simply pack up all the leftovers for them to take away. It's really awful to be this way, but if there's something in the house that is delicious but bad for me, it just seems to call my name. So you're not alone. We all just need to find a way to cope.

Stevie-

If you're interested in Primal, you might take a look at Mark's website, which has most of the basic information--Mark's Daily Apple (if you leave out the apostrophe and run the words together, you only need to add a dot com.

I haven't looked at the book yet myself, and I don't know if I will, since I think I got all the principles from the website, and I don't need the science behind it because I know that from other sources. I don't really believe totally in the "eating like our ancestors" thing because I think we've evolved since then, but I do like eating as simply as possible. And so many different people advocate eliminating all grains that I think that's a good choice for me.

[Ilpirata]

My class... I was there Thursday, Friday, Saturday. I'm a Commercial Insurance Broker and regularly pursue insurance professional designations. We have to take a certain number of continuing ed hours each year to maintain our license. Some people choose to sit in a class and just collect the credited hours. I prefer to take the harder classes that include a test. I already have my CISR (Certified Insurance Service Representative) designation. And am now pursuing my CIC (Certified Insurance Counselor). The classes for it are twenty hours (2.5 days) and then a two hour written test. The test is hard! There is TONS of information.

The class I just took was on Life and Health (Including disability insurance, long term care insurance, annuties, and retirement planning). Since I normally sell property and casualty insurance this was most definately NOT my area of experties. Luckilly they know that most of us are P&C people and I found this particular test easier than they usually are. Lets put it this way... I think I passed and usually I couldn't tell ya LOL.

So anyways, its a big time suck comittment for the days you're there since you need to study the ENTIRE TIME you're not in class. Thus my decision to stay at my grandma's since my current employer didn't offer to put me up in the course hotel.

My grandma lives about twenty minutes from the class as opposed to the 1.5 hours it would've taken from my house (morning commute traffic).

My granmda is SO CUTE! She is 95 and I'll admit that now she really is a little old lady. She's tiny and somewhat frail. She has always been completely independent and a real firecracker. I see now that she is definately getting up there... she's still sharp as a tack but we really need to cherish the time we have!

I don't know how but I somehow escaped the food pushing. I was just absolutely insistent that she NOT FEED ME ANYTHING. I brought my DD groceries and both scheduled DDs were fine.

Unfortunately Sunday was CRAZY. I was THIS CLOSE to an all out carbocide food binge. I managed to hold it in on the carbs but intook thousands of calories.

*sigh*

back on DD today.

WOAH I just wrote an entire novel! sorry just skip over my ramblings LOL.

I'm not going to weigh til saturday after M, Wed, Fri DDs.

I missed you guys!

I didn't respond to all the posts because I think just about everything got addressed later on...

[Beezle]

Week 1 - Lost 3lb
UD: 3400 cals
DD: 820 cals
DD: 820 cals
DD: 820 cals
UD: 2535 cals
UD: 2024 cals
DD: 780 cals

Amazing! It works. Today will be my first 500 cal DD. We'll see if I like it and keep it up for the rest of the week.

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by Beezle

Week 1 - Lost 3lb
UD: 3400 cals
DD: 820 cals
DD: 820 cals
DD: 820 cals
UD: 2535 cals
UD: 2024 cals
DD: 780 cals

Amazing! It works. Today will be my first 500 cal DD. We'll see if I like it and keep it up for the rest of the week.

Beezle... HI! welcome to JUDD and to our little thread. I think this was addressed to you by a few people upthread (forgive me I'm catching up after being gone over the weekend) on JUDD it is VERY VERY IMPORTANT that you NOT do TWO DDs in a row.

So your schedule should be:

UD
DD
UD
DD
UD
DD
UD

etc...

I see that you are still doing three DD in a row? Please this is not JUDD so you are cheating yourself out of the advantage of alternation. There are ways to tweak the days to fit your lifestyle but it is to never be two consecutive Down Days. So please I hope you have already altered your schedule to have an Up Day between your Down Days?

[Agee]

Ya'll -
Finally, the 5 weeks of family activities/parties/impossible situations are OVER. After weeks and weeks of 2-3 UD in a row I can finally go back to true alteration.
I have not been pigging out, but I am really, really tired of eating 3 meals a day.
(In case you hadn't guessed, I made today an UD after my MD of yesterday b/c it seemed too difficult not to with the in-laws in town).
The crazy thing is that although I've not been doing real alteration I have been steadily, sloooooowly trending downward. So hopefully after two weeks of UD/DD action I'll get below 170 into VFT.

A

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by Agee

Ya'll -
Finally, the 5 weeks of family activities/parties/impossible situations are OVER. After weeks and weeks of 2-3 UD in a row I can finally go back to true alteration.
I have not been pigging out, but I am really, really tired of eating 3 meals a day.
(In case you hadn't guessed, I made today an UD after my MD of yesterday b/c it seemed too difficult not to with the in-laws in town).
The crazy thing is that although I've not been doing real alteration I have been steadily, sloooooowly trending downward. So hopefully after two weeks of UD/DD action I'll get below 170 into VFT.

A

really? Wow thats awesome. Losing even a little while having plenty of consecutive UDs is really good! Stoked for you to get back on regular rotation and see some kick ass results.

[onceNforall]

Perfect 500 calorie DD...I'm hungry but going to bed early.

Kisha...welcome back! Glad your Grandma didn't force feed you....always a problem with us Grannies!!!

[Beezle]

I had my first 500 cal day (505 to be exact)! I had my usual salmon and egg for breakfast, 1/2 chicken breast for lunch, and 1/2 chicken breast with riced cauliflower and spices for dinner. This was the first time I'd tried riced cauliflower. This stuff is unflipping believable! I didn't actually believe that it could be a real substitute for rice so I never made it. But for 130 calories I had a nice hot bowl of chicken and "rice." I felt like I was eating comfort food. I wasn't even planning it. I was grating the cauliflower for tomorrow's low carb pizza and decided to make a little extra to go with dinner. Omg, I'm going to have to try it with cheese and broccoli next time.

You guys were right. I could do it, and it wasn't even hard. I got a little hungry before meals but nothing major. The BF even got a pizza for his dinner. It was the first time ever that I haven't taken a slice or at least had the toppings off a few.

Also did 30min of power yoga.

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by Beezle

I had my first 500 cal day (505 to be exact)! I had my usual salmon and egg for breakfast, 1/2 chicken breast for lunch, and 1/2 chicken breast with riced cauliflower and spices for dinner. This was the first time I'd tried riced cauliflower. This stuff is unflipping believable! I didn't actually believe that it could be a real substitute for rice so I never made it. But for 130 calories I had a nice hot bowl of chicken and "rice." I felt like I was eating comfort food. I wasn't even planning it. I was grating the cauliflower for tomorrow's low carb pizza and decided to make a little extra to go with dinner. Omg, I'm going to have to try it with cheese and broccoli next time.

You guys were right. I could do it, and it wasn't even hard. I got a little hungry before meals but nothing major. The BF even got a pizza for his dinner. It was the first time ever that I haven't taken a slice or at least had the toppings off a few.

Also did 30min of power yoga.

Good Job Girl! No be sure to do an Up Day tomorrow and you'll start getting into the swing of JUDD.
AMAZING.

[Ilpirata]

I come in right at 500 cals today.

B - coffee w/unsweetened almond breeze
L - Egg white salad from Trader Joe's
D- scrambled eggs w/ artichoke hearts and shrimp

Ds - Sugar Free Popsicles


Yay UD tomorrow I'm going to have the rest of my shrimp... only I'm going to sautee it in butter!

[Beezle]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Yay UD tomorrow I'm going to have the rest of my shrimp... only I'm going to sautee it in butter!

I'll definitely be enjoying an UD with you tomorrow. Shrimp and butter sounds good. I've been dreaming of a million things today that all sound good for tomorrow.

[giJ]

Originally Posted by Beezle

I'll definitely be enjoying an UD with you tomorrow. Shrimp and butter sounds good. I've been dreaming of a million things today that all sound good for tomorrow.

I tend to spend DD doing that, too. And then usually, I wake up on UD and don't particularly want any of it

What can I say? I don't do well with "no", but I do fine with "whatever you want to satisfaction."

[BillB]

Chicken broth, red zinger, turkey, cream cheese, pickles, green beans, 1/4 of a small apple. Sugar-Free Robitussin. 470 cals.

The bad news, the apple was an experiment. I haven't eaten an apple or any part of one in 4-5 months, until today. It spiked my BG 22 points in less than an hour. We're talking 6 carbs. I will have to severely cut back on the carbs because my insulin resistance is so severe.

Congrats, everyone on great DDs (I knew you could do it, Beezle! Now you know you can too ). I am hoping to feel some hunger and eat some cals for my UD tomorrow. ZC or very close to it for me for a couple days, so I can try to get a handle on this BG issue.

We can do hard things.

--bill

[GME]

I'm closing in on the end of a good DD too. I had Progresso lite soup, a tiny little apple, some turkey lunch meat and sf Jello. I have a big mug of sugar cookie tea and I'll go to bed early.

It feels good to have mastered a DD. It was hard, but I can do hard things.

[giJ]

Originally Posted by BillB

The bad news, the apple was an experiment. I haven't eaten an apple or any part of one in 4-5 months, until today. It spiked my BG 22 points in less than an hour. We're talking 6 carbs. I will have to severely cut back on the carbs because my insulin resistance is so severe.

Yikes! Any chance of insulin resistance ever "healing"? Anyone know?

How are you feeling, Bill? Any better?

Originally Posted by GME

It feels good to have mastered a DD. It was hard, but I can do hard things.

Yes you can!

[snaggle]

Okay, I like doing MWF down days because we are all doin' it together!!
I had a good down day too. It felt good after two big ups in a row.

Spaghetti squash with tomato sauce and chicken sausage, parmesan.
half glass red wine. 480 cals today.
Good weight workout.
Still scared to weigh tomorrow, but we shall see...............................

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by GME

I'm closing in on the end of a good DD too. I had Progresso lite soup, a tiny little apple, some turkey lunch meat and sf Jello. I have a big mug of sugar cookie tea and I'll go to bed early.

It feels good to have mastered a DD. It was hard, but I can do hard things.

Um yeah! So I'm gonna go make a big mug of SOMETHING now. Need to stock up on Celestial Seasonings Dessert Teas now that its getting cold again.

Originally Posted by snaggle

Okay, I like doing MWF down days because we are all doin' it together!!
I had a good down day too. It felt good after two big ups in a row.

Spaghetti squash with tomato sauce and chicken sausage, parmesan.
half glass red wine. 480 cals today.
Good weight workout.
Still scared to weigh tomorrow, but we shall see...............................

mmmmm.... spaghetti squash!

um, okay, its DD... and posts about spaghetti squash are turning into food porn LOL.

[snaggle]

At 42 calories a cup, I think it is a calorie bargain and I really feel like I am having pasta.
All I do is cut it in half (the hardest part), salt it and spray with Tj's olive oil spray,
roast it flesh side down for an hour.

[onceNforall]

Sounds like yesterday was a good DD for everyone!! Proud of you, Beezle....now enjoy your UD.

Good news...yesterday's DD got rid of 3.5 of the 5lb I gained over the weekend! Now a reasonable UD today....eat to satisfaction (but don't go wild). I forgot who said it, but it's true...I dream all day on DD's what I'm gonna have on my UD and then wake up and not even hungry. How do you go to bed starving and wake up not hungry? This body of mine is even weirder than I thought it was.

[Leo41]

I guess we all had a good DD yesterday. I made a discovery, and I know it's going to sound gross, but it was actually good. I eat a lot of fish, and I will break up a fillet (salmon or cod or tuna), mix it with chopped celery and mayo (homemade), but on a DD, I can't waste calories on that mayo.

Yesterday, I used a mixture of mustard and horseradish--and it was great! The protein in the fish helped keep the hunger at bay, although I had a large cucumber at supper time with more fish because I was ravenous again. But I came in at just about 400 cal.

Awful experience this morning. I had to go for a fasting blood draw, and the office is a 40 min. drive for me. Without my coffee and after a DD! I am always miserable without my morning coffee, and what made it worse is that the tech told me that I COULD have my coffee since I drink it black! I've been having my blood drawn for the past 2 years (every 4 months) and I never knew that! All that suffering, and I could have been drinking coffee!

Bill-
I don't think it was the 6 carbs because according to Dr. Bernstein, it takes >10 carbs per meal to invoke an insulin response. Perhaps it was the type of carb because I know that fruit can be a real problem. I love apples but don't dare eat them because of the fructose. Dr. Bernstein warns against all kinds of fruit, except occasional berries if a person absolutely has to have some.

[snaggle]

weighed in today...................153!! I have no idea what is going on with my body. I am back to only 1 lb below when I started the 6wk cure (that I only did for 4 weeks).
Really depressing. I am happy to be doing JUDDD again, but want to be losing, not gaining. Clearly, even though my down days have been good, the big ups are wreaking havoc on my plan.
Did anyone here who has gone from strict low-carbing to a moderate carb juddd plan, experience weight gain at the beginning?

[nitenurse]

Snaggle, my scale wt has been a little strange since the 6 week cure. I lost inches, but still not back to where I was in August on JUDDD.(September was totally messed up with the family reunion/wedding lots of company) I am still 2# over my sig low. But I feel that my body is adjusting and that the wt loss will start next week-It always seems to take my body a couple weeks to be assured that I am not trying to kill it with some freaky food plan. Karma for yo-yo dieting.
Maybe it's because the SIRT miight keep us from regaining on UDs.-but strangely enough
Yesterday I had an UD-didn't eat till about 2pm, about 8pm I realized I was going into another DD pretty empty, so I ate again even if it was pretty late.Still low carb but higher fat than DDs. Today my weight is down, not up. Go figure.
I have a handheld machine that measures body fat electronically, and my pounds of body fat are going down slowly even when the scale weight is going up and down like that.

[PMoon]

I'm having a DD today. I don't post much on UD because it is pretty boring. LOL I'm getting to where I don't want to stuff myself any more on up days. I eat normally. Then, I drink a high fat smoothie around ten o'clock at night. So I am getting some extra in on the up days.

I am waiting for it to warm up this morning so I can take my little to the library. He is six now and can get his own card. Then we are going to stop by the grocery store. I need to pick up a couple of down day items.

When I bought groceries last time, I didn't plan for the little being out of school this week. So I don't have much lunch food or snacks for him. He likes to eat a lot.

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by onceNforall

Sounds like yesterday was a good DD for everyone!! Proud of you, Beezle....now enjoy your UD.

Good news...yesterday's DD got rid of 3.5 of the 5lb I gained over the weekend! Now a reasonable UD today....eat to satisfaction (but don't go wild). I forgot who said it, but it's true...I dream all day on DD's what I'm gonna have on my UD and then wake up and not even hungry. How do you go to bed starving and wake up not hungry? This body of mine is even weirder than I thought it was.

I know isn't it just the weirdest? I ate my shrimp sauteed in butter (with shredded coconut) this morning just as I planned to last night. But it was mostly because I had PLANNED to not because I was ravenous anymore. I swear that for me something happens during sleep and my appetite just switches back to normal forgetting all about how hungry I was on the DD before.

Originally Posted by snaggle

weighed in today...................153!! I have no idea what is going on with my body. I am back to only 1 lb below when I started the 6wk cure (that I only did for 4 weeks).
Really depressing. I am happy to be doing JUDDD again, but want to be losing, not gaining. Clearly, even though my down days have been good, the big ups are wreaking havoc on my plan.
Did anyone here who has gone from strict low-carbing to a moderate carb juddd plan, experience weight gain at the beginning?

Dude. All I can say is that is so lame! I just hate being diligent on plan and having nothing to show for it. stooopid.

Originally Posted by PMoon

I'm having a DD today. I don't post much on UD because it is pretty boring. LOL I'm getting to where I don't want to stuff myself any more on up days. I eat normally. Then, I drink a high fat smoothie around ten o'clock at night. So I am getting some extra in on the up days.

I am waiting for it to warm up this morning so I can take my little to the library. He is six now and can get his own card. Then we are going to stop by the grocery store. I need to pick up a couple of down day items.

When I bought groceries last time, I didn't plan for the little being out of school this week. So I don't have much lunch food or snacks for him. He likes to eat a lot.

O how cute! I remember my first trips to the library. Man I love books.