OCT. JUDDD/Alternate Day Diet

[mistydisa]

Originally Posted by Agee

Quick question for people who've been at this longer than moi.
If you end up having a medium day (maybe 1100 cal?) is it better to have an UD or to follow with a DD?
A

For me, that would depend on what the day before was. Was the day before your MD an UD or a DD? If an UD, I would definitely do a DD after the MD. If it was a DD the day before your MD, I would possibly try for a DD, but like EmandM said, if it turned into an UD, that'd be okay. JMO.

Misty

[Beezle]

Ditto Agee's question. I ate 780 cals today. But then I came up with a meal plan under 500 that I think I can do. Canned salmon for breakfast with tomato paste, olives and boiled egg. Then half a chicken breast each for lunch and dinner. I want to try it tomorrow!

I think I can keep UDs to 1500-1700 and I started keeping a food diary. I want this bad enough to do hard things (have to keep remembering that).

Edited to say Misty makes a good point: the day before was an UD, so definitely DD tomorrow, thanks misty

[mistydisa]

Originally Posted by BillB

Oh my! That is sooooooo exciting! Are you gonna do the cruise splurge, or are you gonna JUDDD, or MD, or LC, or what?

--bill

I'm SOOOOO gonna splurge! We vacation very rarely, so I want to completely enjoy myself. Lucky for me, I have discovered JUDDDD, and I know that it is very forgiving of vacations and special occasions. I know after the vacation is over, I should be able to get back on plan, and after a few DDs, shed any weight I gained while livin' it up.

So good to have you back, btw!

[mistydisa]

Originally Posted by BillB

Misty,

I remember loving that crap that Olive Garden calls bread, until my friend started making real whole wheat bread, and served it to me hot out of the oven with grass-fed Amish butter. OMG.

--bill

That homemade bread sounds yummilicious, but I have to say, I must have some very unrefined tastebuds because I ADORE Olive Garden's breadsticks, especially with Alfredo sauce for dipping... I could take a BATH in that stuff. lol. Listen to me gush about food, and it's not even a DD.

[giJ]

Originally Posted by Agee

Quick question for people who've been at this longer than moi.
If you end up having a medium day (maybe 1100 cal?) is it better to have an UD or to follow with a DD?
A

It depends on what I was supposed to have when I had the MD. If it was supposed to be an UD and I just wasn't hungry, I have a DD. If it was supposed to be a DD that got away from me, I have an UD to give myself a chance to get my head on straight.

Originally Posted by BillB

On a more boring note, I am back on the true rotation, still doing under 500 cals for DD. I am a little worried; my last 2 UDs have been 1500 and 1000 cals. But, I've been really sick and very inactive. I can't force myself to eat when I feel this bad.

My UD philosophy: eat if you're hungry, don't eat if you're not. (As opposed to DD which is simply "mostly don't" ) If you're not, then don't worry about it. Feel better soon!

[BillB]

Originally Posted by snaggle

nutritional yeast???? what the heck is that about?

I've heard this is delicious. Note, however, I have not tried it.

--bill

[mistydisa]

Originally Posted by Beezle

Edited to say Misty makes a good point: the day before was an UD, so definitely DD tomorrow, thanks misty

You're welcome, Beezle! Good luck!

[BillB]

Originally Posted by Beezle

Ditto Agee's question. I ate 780 cals today. But then I came up with a meal plan under 500 that I think I can do. Canned salmon for breakfast with tomato paste, olives and boiled egg. Then half a chicken breast each for lunch and dinner. I want to try it tomorrow!

I think I can keep it to 1500-1700 and I started keeping a food diary. I want this bad enough to do hard things (have to keep remembering that).

Edited to say Misty makes a good point: the day before was an UD, so definitely DD tomorrow, thanks misty

OK, so I didn't go to bed yet.

Beezle, I hope your BF knows you are working this hard to do this for him.

Salmon and eggs is one of my favorite breakfasts...you can mix the salmon with a little chopped celery & onion, some spice and an egg and make lovely salmon cakes. I guess that depends on you total amount of cals. You might use less than a whole egg with the amount of salmon you are eating.

Are you using a website for your food diary? I am currently using the fit day one and the live strong one. I find that even if I enter the same foods and amounts in each one, I sometimes get a big variance, especially with beef and chicken. Each of the programs has features I like....I love being able to chart my calorie deficit.



--bill

[BillB]

Oh....Kisha has been gone all weekend, staying with her Grandma (who might be a food pusher)...ever since she posted about that, I've been thinking about (and missing) my Granny and my Grandma. They were both amazing women and I was very close to both of them. I miss them every day! Kisha...I hope you had a great visit with your Grandma. Tell us all about it, and your training, and what delectable things she forced upon you. If my Grandma was here to make me biscuits, or if my Granny was here to make me gingerbread, I would eat either one of them. In a New York minute.

--bill

[EmandM]

Originally Posted by giJ

My UD philosophy: eat if you're hungry, don't eat if you're not. (As opposed to DD which is simply "mostly don't" ) If you're not, then don't worry about it. Feel better soon!

That is exactly what I did and continue to do on maintenance. When I first started JUDDD I would eat a ton on my UD's because I "could." But that novelty wore off quickly and I started eating intuitively (not on purpose, it just happened). I ate when I was hungry, I ate what made me satisfied and I stopped counting UD calories. So don't force yourself to eat to your allotted cals on your UD if you aren't hungry. If I got to the end of an UD and was a tad hungry I always had a snack to carry me through the DD morning.

Bill - I suspect your appetite is low because you are under the weather, so don't worry about a few lower cal UD's. Your body will signal you when it needs more UD cals. Our bodies tell us a lot, we just need to listen! Hope you are feeling better soon. I was sick all last week, not fun.

ETA Bill - my nana's house was the only place we were allowed croissants with butter and hard sauce (butter and sugar, hardened with rum, a Christmas treat)! My parents were pretty strict and all into healthy eating when I was younger (I rebelled) but Nana let us have all the goodies!

[Beezle]

Bill - I'm just writing my food diary in Notepad to keep me honest. I'm kind of writing it as an offline blog to remember how I feel each day.

As far as the BF goes, I asked him if he had noticed that I'd lost. 2 months ago I was 145 (the high end of my set point) and today I was 136.8. He said no. I showed him the picture I posted here and asked "if you saw a picture of her on the internet would you think she was fat?" He said "no, but you don't look like that, pictures aren't the same as reality." Sigh.

He didn't want to answer or talk about it. He'd have rather me not ask, but I'd rather know then not know. It convinced me to start working out. I need some sexy muscles.

[giJ]

Originally Posted by Beezle

He said "no, but you don't look like that, pictures aren't the same as reality." Sigh.

To be honest, he sounds like a bit of a ... well... nothing I can say on here. I hope you're doing this for YOU. Because, no matter what, YOU are the one who has to live with the choices you make.

[giJ]

Originally Posted by BillB

If my Grandma was here to make me biscuits, or if my Granny was here to make me gingerbread, I would eat either one of them. In a New York minute.

Yup. My grandma's honey cake with peanut butter smeared on it (so it was a meal, not dessert ).... Yeah, I'd commit a crime for it. (Unfortunately, her recipe died long before she did - Alzheimer's. And she was a "bit of this, splash of that" kind of cook anyway.)

My Nana, on the other hand? Her best recipe was the phone number to the local pizza place

[Beezle]

Originally Posted by giJ

To be honest, he sounds like a bit of a ... well... nothing I can say on here.

Yeah, I'm going to back off that whole mess for awhile and focus on myself. And thanks for listening! Back to the workout, was just taking a breather.

[giJ]

Originally Posted by Beezle

Yeah, I'm going to back off that whole mess for awhile and focus on myself. And thanks for listening! Back to the workout, was just taking a breather.

Good attitude!

And hey! While you're at it? Workout for me too, ok? My nose is still too stuffed!

[mistydisa]

Beezle ~ Just curious, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to...Is this BF a long-term could-be-my-husband-one-day kind of relationship or more of a short-term thing?

[Beezle]

Misty, I don't mind answering. But I am starting to feel like I'm talking about myself too much :blush:

Long term. We've been living together for 1.5 years.

OMG, and here's the irony! I was 154lb when we met and he was 149 at 5'11". He told me how gorgeous I was all the time, and after having just lost 46lb I ate it up.

Since then I've lost 17lb, and he gained 43lb! Still ok for his height, but he started getting stretch marks on his inner arm and thigh and I told him to watch it, that he didn't want to wake up one morning with them on his tummy. He lost 10lb in the past month since then, but now he's in the other room binging on candy like he has been for several days.

And I just finished Chalean Extreme Burn Circuit #1. Lifting heavy things makes me feel powerful. I'm going to be so sore tomorrow.

[mistydisa]

Beezle ~

Good for you on the workout!

But I'm still not thrilled with this bf of yours, not that you asked my opinion.

Guys like him that are soooo....is obsessive the right word? about your weight now...make me worry about later on down the road when things start to sag (inevitably), pregnancy pounds accumulate (again, inevitable, if you plan to have babies, that is), etc. Will he still find you attractive then? Do you always have to maintain that "perfect" or "ideal" figure for him to be attracted to you?

Do you think he'll be unhappy with your appearance when grey hairs start appearing? Stretch marks are present? Wrinkles crease your face? Your "girls" as Stacy on What Not To Wear calls them start resting closer to your waistline? Your weight repositions itself (and that it does!!!) after having a baby?

I'm all for a significant other being concerned with your health, but it seems like you're perfectly healthy, so I'm thinking his concerns aren't health-related.

If I'm overstepping my boundaries, just tell me to back off! This is just from one body-conscious woman to another. I've been in a relationship where I was "brainwashed" into thinking I was not good enough, and I don't wish that on anyone.

Stepping down off the soapbox now.

[onceNforall]

Wow...what a weekend! Two horrible UD's with very little (virtually no) control involved. I was in carb heaven and know I will suffer tomorrow through a hard DD, but....we can do hard things!! Almost looking forward to a DD tomorrow. My UD's are a problem and I'm sure the day is approaching quickly where I need to not look at them as a food feast, but making wiser choices and only eating til satisfied. I'm sure the scale will show some damage tomorrow, but may just not look until after I've had my 3 successful DD's this week. Guess this is a learning experience in the beginning.

Misty....congratulations on your loss!!

Bill...glad to have you back with us!!

[mistydisa]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Misty-
Great loss and inspiring progress report. It meas a lot to me because I'm now where you started, so I have confidence that one day, too, I'll see onderland. Your journey gives me hope.

Wow, Leo, to inspire you?! That's one heck of a compliment considering you're usually the one doing the inspiring around here! Thank you for that! And I know with your perseverance, you'll see onederland so very soon!

[snaggle]

Originally Posted by Agee

Quick question for people who've been at this longer than moi.
If you end up having a medium day (maybe 1100 cal?) is it better to have an UD or to follow with a DD?
A

My theory is that if you have an up day, then a medium day, then do a down day, but if the medium day follows a down day, then do an up. Just don't want to go with out a down day for more than two days I don't think.

[Leo41]

Snaggle-

I tend to agree with you about the woman on that blogspot that Beezle referenced. I only looked at it briefly, but I thought that her 'UD' meals were very skimpy, and I also think that she isn't getting sufficient protein. The combination of low calories and low protein is not good for the body. And as you approach goal (as you are), you need to be eating the way you will maintain. If you do extreme dieting to get to goal, there would just be a "bounce up" when you begin eating 'normally.' I think that's the point when many people get frustrated and re-gain even more. I think you have the right approach.

Trish-

Congratulations! I am so happy for you because I know how you've struggled to lose and the frustrations you've experienced. You know from JUDDD that you can handle this hunger, and I'm sure it will be temporary.
I wish you every success with this hcg plan.

Bill-

So glad you're back--but sorry you're unwell. As others have mentioned, don't worry too much about the low calories while you're ill. Your metabolism won't slow down because you're body is telling you that it doesn't want food right now. Way back I mentioned that on another board I've been reading (Primal), several posters mentioned that when they're ill with cold or flu, they recover more quickly and feel better with total fasting. So eating less is probably good for you at this time. Feel better soon.

[onceNforall]

OK...spilling my guts here cause I need to be honest with myself. I had a totally out of control weekend with lots of carbs (not going to list what I ate, cause I find talking about those kinds of foods on this forum make it difficult when I'm trying to do a DD). I was going to try to make yesterday a MD, but ended up eating leftovers from the night before and back to my "binge" philosophy of "tomorrow's Monday (DD)...eat while you can".

The weekends are really a problem for me. I did get on the scale this morning, because I NEEDED to know the damage I incurred with this food feast of mine.....5lbs gained since my weigh in on Saturday morning!!! OK...I know most of that is water weight from the carbs, but WHY DO I DO THIS TO MYSELF?

Monday through Friday I can handle on most any WOE in the past....then I gain on the weekends and spend most of the next week trying to lose that weight. This has been a pattern for me with almost any WOE I've tried. I am becoming much more aware of how my body responds to certain foods and hunger levels with JUDD. I know deep down this is the WOE (lifestyle) that I can make work, lose this weight and maintain at the level I choose.

I guess I'm finally facing the fact that with aging and becoming insulin resistant, my body can no longer handle the refined carbs...AT ALL! I'm just struggling so with giving them up. I've really been in denial, but being forced to face reality now.

Thank God today is a DD. It's gonna be a killer...woke up at 6AM STARVING. I will get by on my decaf coffee though here for a few hours and will stick to protein and celery today to get me through.

I CAN DO HARD THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EmandM]

Sherrie - your post made me think of a couple of things that may be helpful. Are you eating what you truly want on your UD's during the week? Sometimes people still deprive themselves and then the weekends turn into "cheat days" where it's pretty much a free-for-all with the I-will-start-my-diet-again-on-Monday. If you aren't in that diet mentality (which I think JUDDD is great for, since every other day you are NOT dieting) than there is no reason to have a cheat weekend. I am not suggesting that your UD's be eat whatever you can get your hands on, but make sure you aren't restricting too much on your UD's. Try not to have too many rules, that when you break them it sends you into binge mode. The second thing would be are you busy on the weekends? Weekends are often less structured and people don't have as much to do or they have too much, and therefore stress eat. I have Fri and Sat as UD's (and I have been in maintenance for months, but I did this while losing too) as that worked for me since we have a lot of social things on Fridays and Saturdays and I didn't want to be doing DD's during those times.

HTH!

Pam

[onceNforall]

Originally Posted by EmandM

Sherrie - your post made me think of a couple of things that may be helpful. Are you eating what you truly want on your UD's during the week? Sometimes people still deprive themselves and then the weekends turn into "cheat days" where it's pretty much a free-for-all with the I-will-start-my-diet-again-on-Monday. If you aren't in that diet mentality (which I think JUDDD is great for, since every other day you are NOT dieting) than there is no reason to have a cheat weekend. I am not suggesting that your UD's be eat whatever you can get your hands on, but make sure you aren't restricting too much on your UD's. Try not to have too many rules, that when you break them it sends you into binge mode. The second thing would be are you busy on the weekends? Weekends are often less structured and people don't have as much to do or they have too much, and therefore stress eat. I have Fri and Sat as UD's (and I have been in maintenance for months, but I did this while losing too) as that worked for me since we have a lot of social things on Fridays and Saturdays and I didn't want to be doing DD's during those times.

HTH!

Pam

Thanks, Pam for your input. I've only been doing JUDD for two weeks, but no, I haven't been restricting myself on UD's during the week. I don't count calories on UD's and have been trying to stay away from flour and sugar, but have had pasta. This weekend was rather unusual in that I was providing desserts for a gathering on Saturday night. Guess I'd better sign up for a veggie tray or fruit next time around!! (I'm famous for my desserts among my friends and family...but that's part of what got me here in the first place.) I had made a concious decision to not restrict myself on Saturday, but then was disappointed when that mindset extended into Sunday too.

I may switch to Friday and Saturday as UD's too and then be flexible if a Sunday needs to be an UD once in a while. This is going to take some adjustment and I'm just glad I'm becoming more aware.

It's very motivating to know you're maintaining with the WOE too. I think that is the wonderful thing about JUDD...can be a lifestyle you can live with forever.

Thanks, again!!

[mistydisa]

Sherrie ~ I'm just like you in that if I have yummy leftovers in the house from the previous day's UD, I tend to want to make that day an UD, too. I start thinking of reasons why I NEED to make that day an UD (Uh, I'll need to alter my schedule anyway because I'll need next Saturday to be an UD for X special event and right now it's slotted to be a DD, so I might as well go ahead and make today an UD.... Yum, yum, yum let me at those leftovers!) I've learned I just can't have tempting food in the house. I'm also a bit of a dessert-goddess (hahaha) amongst my family and friends, so I love to bake and try new recipes, BUT I make my husband promise he will take the leftovers to work with him the next day.

Dr. Phil's weight loss book never really did much for me, but I did like how he talked about there's no such thing as willpower; it all comes down to controlling your environment, i.e. no uber-tempting food allowed in the house.

Don't beat yourself up. You're only human.

[Stevie Renee]

Good morning, can ya stand another person asking questions?! lol

My name is Stevie and I "met" Snaggle over at the 6 week Cure thread. We lost about the same thing during our challenge.

I am just confused on the 2 weeks begin part. Does it look like this:
Day one: dd
Day two: up
So on and so forth for 2 weeks?

How about alcohol on the UD?

thanks for posting. I am intriqued.

Stevie

[Leo41]

Hi Stevie-

I read some of your posts on the 6-week board, so I feel as though I know you. You might want to check out the JUDDD website, if you haven't already, but you're right--DD/UD for two weeks with a max. 500 cal. on DDs. The plan's author, Dr. Johnson, doesn't limit any food group, including alcohol, so it's entirely up to you.

[giJ]

Sherrie ~~ Honestly, I think it takes time to get used to UDs, too. You will learn to eat normally - as long as your binge-worthy foods aren't in your house (or, at least, are in the freezer, not the counter/refrigerator, making them that much more accessible).

Over 2 weeks ago, I hit within 1/2 a lb of my next goal. I then promptly went up 2 lbs. And then 3 more, even though I certainly did not eat that much. As of today, I'm back down to with that 1/2 lb. Today is a DD, so I may make it tomorrow. This next week is going to be all messed up (T and R should be my UD, but I have a friend coming to town on Friday for 4 days of eating and drinking, so I really wanted R to be a DD. I may try to keep it to a MD.) but it will all work out in the long term.

Stevie ~~ You have the Day 1/Day 2 thing down - but that's what we always do (though some do MWF - DD, TRSS - UD). The first 2 weeks, you keep DD to under 500 calories. After that, your DD calories are based on the calculator on Dr. J's website.

You CAN have alcohol, within reason, on UD. No food/drink is forbidden. My experience, however, is that it DRAMATICALLY slows the loss.

[Leo41]

Sherrie-

In my experience, 90% of this is psychological. I should have lost weight eons ago, but my 'head' just wasn't in the right place. You mentioned 'age,' so I thought I'd share what works for me, since my age (68) is a factor.

What keeps me on track is that I don't consider this a 'diet'--it truly is the way I plan to eat for the rest of my life. Now I'm seriously restricting calories because I'm in a 'lose' mode, but I'll add calories when I want to just maintain.

However, WHAT I eat is important to my health, so I've had little difficulty eliminating all starch, grains, sugar, and even dairy (that last is still an experiment; the others are final). I don't get 'tempted' by bad carbs because I want to be as healthy as possible, and I know they're poison for me. I love pasta and rice and I have the biggest sweet tooth in the world (never met a dessert I didn't love), but by avoiding these things (I never say never), I have more energy, less pain, and sleep better than at any time in recent years. And I want to avoid the diabetes that my two sisters now have.

I've recently been reading on the Primal Blueprint website (because that's close to how I'm eating these days), and the author, Mark Sisson, refers to eating 80% primal. That is, he understands that we all will have an occasional dessert or big dish of pasta, and that's OK if 80% of the time, we're eating healthily. But that doesn't mean one can indulge every weekend because that simply undercuts the previous week's efforts.

When you explain your off-plan eating, I get a feeling (and I could be wrong) that you have a sense of deprivation that's driving you to carbs. Do you ever think, "I can't have [specific food]? If so that reflects deprivation. I say to myself (and others), "I don't eat--sugar, starch, whatever." In other words, I can if I want to but I choose not to. There's a big difference although it might seem only words. Mentally, I'll allow myself to eat anything and any time, but when faced with a choice, I ask myself if this item is right for me, and almost always, I will reject the unhealthy choice.

Please don't think I'm preaching at you. I want so much for you to experience success and reach your personal goals, and I'd like to help in any way I can. This is working for me right now, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I'll be able to stay in this place long term. I hope you find a good psychological place for yourself.