SEPT. JUDDD/ Alternate Day Diet

[EmandM]

Originally Posted by cherlyndria77

Yeah....um.... I didn't say the protein shakes actually tasted good though! They are pretty gruesome. I've just decided that the pay off will be worth it in the end. After I'm finished weight loss mode and I'm onto maintenance I'll incorporate more real food, but just now the shakes are a means to and end. And.... I don't restrict on my ud, I don't count calories, but I'm finding I don't want to eat as much anyway.
xxx Congrats to everyone, doing a great job

LOL! Gotcha! I am in maintenance and don't need shakes, I am just wondering about them as an option for when I am super busy. I think I will pass though!

mistydisa - what's onederland? Have you lost 100 pounds?

GME - welcome back. Can I ask why you stopped running as one of your strategies to break your stall? I hope JUDDD works for you again.

[giJ]

GME: Welcome Back!

I had a revelation today: I haven't learned not to graze out of tiredness. And I ate bad, bad, bad food. To include a sleeve of Milano cookies. And now I feel awful. I'm lethargic and in pain -- too much pain to make it to class tonight. And I wasn't even hungry when I ate the first one, much less the last one. GAH! At least it was an UD. And even if I eat dinner, I'm where I "should" be for a JUDDDD UD according to the website. (And something tells me I won't be eating dinner. Blerg.)

[snaggle]

Gij- of course I would use which ever method yielded the highest number of calories!!

Mistydisa-Congrats to you. I find that two ups in a row always stalls me too.

Emand M- right now I am doing the 6 week cure for the middle aged middle and it calls for 3 shakes a day, plus a low carb meal, so I am getting back into the whole shake thing that I avoided for so long. I have experimented with all sorts of combos. Todays was my favorite: Jay Robb Vanilla powder(only stevia, no A.S.), leftover cold strong coffee, unsweetened almond milk, a tsp. Da Vinci vanilla, 1 tsp. cocoa powder, ice.
Like an iced mocha. very satisfying.

Gina- glad to see you back. I hope the mixing up of things is what your bod needed to get back to losing.

Kisha- don't know what to say other than I know you work so hard at this and I hope that JuDDD does not turn out to be a short term success like so many other plans seem to be for you. So many folks on the M.L. complain about stalls when things just slow up a bit after induction or whatever, ........................which frustrates me. THOSE are not stalls. You have the most incredible attitude and I really admire you for it.

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by snaggle

Gij- of course I would use which ever method yielded the highest number of calories!!

Mistydisa-Congrats to you. I find that two ups in a row always stalls me too.

Emand M- right now I am doing the 6 week cure for the middle aged middle and it calls for 3 shakes a day, plus a low carb meal, so I am getting back into the whole shake thing that I avoided for so long. I have experimented with all sorts of combos. Todays was my favorite: Jay Robb Vanilla powder(only stevia, no A.S.), leftover cold strong coffee, unsweetened almond milk, a tsp. Da Vinci vanilla, 1 tsp. cocoa powder, ice.
Like an iced mocha. very satisfying.

Gina- glad to see you back. I hope the mixing up of things is what your bod needed to get back to losing.

Kisha- don't know what to say other than I know you work so hard at this and I hope that JuDDD does not turn out to be a short term success like so many other plans seem to be for you. So many folks on the M.L. complain about stalls when things just slow up a bit after induction or whatever, ........................which frustrates me. THOSE are not stalls. You have the most incredible attitude and I really admire you for it.

Thanks hon! Seriously lately I'm just happy to be under 200.

[mistydisa]

EmandM ~ Onederland is having your weight in the 100's. I'm 199.8, so just barely, but I'll take it!

Thanks for all the congrats, guys!


Based on what Kisha and Leo were talking about regarding gaining when switching from JUDDDD and/or "tweaking" (experimenting), I have a question....do you guys think JUDDDD messes up your metabolism? I know that's an argument that anti-JUDDDDers use, so I was just curious about all y'all's opinions on it....

[giJ]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

do you guys think JUDDDD messes up your metabolism? I know that's an argument that anti-JUDDDDers use, so I was just curious about all y'all's opinions on it....

This is all my own opinion, no scientific background, I'm not a doctor, I don't play one on TV, etc, etc, -- IOW, all usual disclaimers here.

I don't think people have as much control over their metabolism as they think they do. IF metabolisms speed up and slow down based on consumption of food, no one (except, perhaps, people with thyroid problems keeping the metabolism from working "right") would be fat, because the metabolism would take care of it.

I think JUDDDD, more than any other program, teaches us to reduce the amounts we eat regularly (even on UDs, after a while, many of us have seen a dramatic reduction in the amount we eat over time [a few months]), teaches us that hunger isn't the enemy, and teaches us to listen to our bodies.

The problem I have with Atkins (and I know a lot of people don't) is that I 100% lose my appetite in ketosis. Eating 1000 or 1500 calories a day is a chore, much less any more than that. And yet, I had people telling me I HAD to eat more. Do you think naturally thin people worry about that? or do they say "I'm hungry, I'll eat" or "I'm not hungry, I'm not going to eat."

My UD on Saturday, I had German food for lunch (happy Oktoberfest). I did NOT eat everything on my plate (only half) because that's all I wanted, even though I couldn't take the rest home (I rode my bike and didn't think it would stay good in the heat of New Orleans summer for the ride). I wasn't hungry at dinner, so I didn't eat dinner. Yesterday's DD, I ended at 520 calories. Between yesterday and Saturday, I rode over 13 miles on my bike (each of my rides were longer than I'd ever ridden before, the last one being 7.3 miles). Today's grazing was not, in any way, based on hunger and taught me that there are foods that still can't cross my threshold.

So, here's my point: I don't think we control our metabolism as much as many others, and I think the way for some of us to lose weight is to re-establish our relationship with food and understand "hunger". Because my ultimate goal isn't too LOSE weight, it's to MAINTAIN MY WEIGHT LOSS. (I'm an expert as losing - I've lost hundreds of lbs - it's maintaining that I can't quite seem to do.)

[GME]

Thanks for all the welcome backs everyone!

[quote=Ilpirata;12509488}
Hey Gina... I 've been doing strict induction for basically the last three weeks and have been slowly gaining weight. Isn't that SAD!?!?!!? I'm gearing up to get back on JUDD soon too. I may go for two DD this week Tuesday and Thursday.[/QUOTE]

I don't know what to say besides "That bites!" Are your thyroid levels whacked again?

Originally Posted by Leo41

Gina-

Please don't settle for a "normal" report on your thyroid (if you read on the thyroid section here, you'll see why). Do you have the full report, including numbers? If not, get yourself a copy (it's yours, and the doctor will give it to you if you ask). If you PM me (or just post them), list the numbers and lab ranges. Thyroid is so important, and my one regret is that I allowed my primary doctor to tell me for 5 years that I was 'normal' when I wasn't! I'm no doctor, but I've learned to read the lab results and can either affirm or challenge that diagnosis of 'normal.'

I don't believe it, but havn't mustered the enery to go through the hassle of seeing another doctor. She sent me the lab results, I'll dig them out and post them. After watching her check "Complete Thyroid Panel" though, only a couple of tests came back.

Originally Posted by EmandM

GME - welcome back. Can I ask why you stopped running as one of your strategies to break your stall? I hope JUDDD works for you again.

I thought maybe I was trying to do too much on too little. Sort of an exercise "starvation mode." I thought my body my be thinking if we were going to keep running miles and miles a week it was going to need to hang on to its resources. Doesn't seem to be the case.

Its evening here and I wound up with about 350 cals. Someone at work brought me a big, beautiful apple off their tree so I skipped dinner. I completely pooped out on my run this afternoon though.

[Leo41]

Down 1.5 lbs this morning (2.5 if I count last week's 'gain,' but I think that was just a phantom gain that doesn't count). So I really AM losing, except that it's so very slow that I often don't notice. However, as I look at my weight chart, even if I don't lose another ounce this month, the combination of Aug/Sept is 8 lbs, and 4 lbs a month is just about what I've been doing right along on JUDDD. I have to keep reminding myself that I'm losing to avoid "tinkering" with my eating and just screwing everything up.

Misty--No, I don't think JUDDD messes with metabolism, and Dr. J addresses this in his book from the scientific perspective. Keep in mind that Kisha and I already have compromised metabolisms because of our thyroid issues, and that makes us anxious about any eating plan because it is so very difficult for us to lose.

I agree with giJ that there's too much emphasis on metabolism. I think that comes from marketing efforts. If you look at a lot of supplements to lose weight or programs, you'll see an emphasis on 'recharging your metabolism," etc. So I think that's why everyone has the idea that they're constantly manipulating their metabolism. Also keep in mind that you don't want to mess with your metabolism. My endo could easily speed up my metabolism with thyroid meds, but then I'd wind up having a heart attack or stroke!

Ironically, my endo's recommendation to try to spur my compromised metabolism is the opposite of many weight loss experts who advise giving up coffee. He's told me to increase my consumption of caffeine (because I'm generally healthy) and exercise as a way to try to spur things along a little.

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

I made it to Onederland! I'm thrilled! I'm a bit disappointed that I didn't lose more this week, but I pretty much knew I wouldn't because I had 2 back to back UDs. Seems like everytime I do that, I don't lose as well. I lost almost 1 lb. Goodbye and good riddance to the 200's!

That's AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by mistydisa

EmandM
Based on what Kisha and Leo were talking about regarding gaining when switching from JUDDDD and/or "tweaking" (experimenting), I have a question....do you guys think JUDDDD messes up your metabolism? I know that's an argument that anti-JUDDDDers use, so I was just curious about all y'all's opinions on it....

Dr. Johnson's research suggests JUDDD increases metabolism over time, as an effect of accumulating Resvetrol in the system and activating the 'skinny gene' - it's certainly been true in my case.

I come from a family of hypo-thyroid, so take this the right way - but I think a lot of people are obsessed with their 'slow metabolism' who don't need to be, who really have other food issues. For me it's kind of like the people who complain about a stall after a week of not losing weight - that's not a stall, a stall is 6+ weeks of no weight loss during a WOE with no tweaks.... like what Kisha experienced.

And even many people with true thyroid issues also have emotional issues with food. Because let's face it, after a lifetime of being called fatty and finding that nothing 'righteous' seems to work, it's sometimes easy to give in and say "to H3LL with it, if I'm going to be fat anyway, I might as well enjoy it..."

For me, although it is hard to lose weight, JUDDD has taught me that I ALSO have emotional issues with food. And it has helped me face them. Stripping away the bad habits and emotional eating has helped me see what my metabolism really is.... and it's not as slow as I thought.

And indeed I have found the longer I am on JUDDD the faster my metabolism is. So whether or not I lose weight, I'm feeling more energy, able to do more things, and even able to eat more without gaining. And this is worth it.

[GME]

Well, I made it through my frst DD in a long while. I went to bed hungry, but kept reminding myself that hunger is my body's way of warning me it is getting ready to dip into my reserves (I can't remember who said that first. I'd like to give credit since it is so helpful. Leo?).

I kept telling myself that on my run last night too. I was really struggling. I told myself if I didn't have an EASY source of energy and I kept going, the ol body was going to have to convert some fat if it wanted to get home.

I peeked at the scale this morning, but I'm not counting anything official until Saturday (morning after my third DD). So far, so good. This worked pretty well for me for two months last time. If all goes as planned I think I'll stick with JUDDD until Thanksgiving or so and then break again.

I got out the book to reread last night, but decided not to. All that talk of being able to eat whatever you want on an UD is not going to help me. I CAN'T let the UDs become a snack-fest or this won't work for me. Others may be able to do it, but I can't. It did feel good to pack a peach with my regular LC lunch though.

Have a great JUDDD day everyone.

[nitenurse]

Well, am back after the wedding, and all family here for a week, all healthy food except the cake, of course. Had my first DD yesterday; and it really felt good, even though my other self kept negotiating in my head for "just one more day of carbs". So right now have a regain of 7 lbs to deal with, but am going to give myself a week of JUDDD before I will believe that is a fact.
The wedding was beautiful, Spanish ceremony, and the whole family participated one way or another, except me, I just sat and watched and did the matriarch thing, it was fun.
I will catch up on the posts this week and get my inspiration from you all.

[GME]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Down 1.5 lbs this morning (2.5 if I count last week's 'gain,' but I think that was just a phantom gain that doesn't count). So I really AM losing, except that it's so very slow that I often don't notice. However, as I look at my weight chart, even if I don't lose another ounce this month, the combination of Aug/Sept is 8 lbs, and 4 lbs a month is just about what I've been doing right along on JUDDD. I have to keep reminding myself that I'm losing to avoid "tinkering" with my eating and just screwing everything up.


Ironically, my endo's recommendation to try to spur my compromised metabolism is the opposite of many weight loss experts who advise giving up coffee. He's told me to increase my consumption of caffeine (because I'm generally healthy) and exercise as a way to try to spur things along a little.

That is a great loss in my book!

I like what I'm hearing about the coffee too. I always "choose to believe" the studies that say coffee is good for me.

[RobbieD]

Hi everyone! I'm new to this, and wanted to introduce myself. I just started JUDDDD 3 weeks ago, and have been alternating days. Starting weight- 191. Today, after yesterday's DD, is 184.5. According to the book, this week should start kicking things into overdrive- has this been your experience? I love the fact that I only feel like I'm dieting every other day, and that I don't have to swear off pizza for the rest of my life!

[Leo41]

Robbie--you're doing great! And, yes, the thing about JUDDD is that it is so forgiving of the occasional indulgence so that one can actually enjoy social occasions, etc.

Mammapo-
I might be hypothyroid, but, as you point out, my bigger problems with food are emotional. I don't think anyone could be fat all her life, as I have been, without having emotional issues with food. But what I truly love about JUDDD is the way it's helping to highlight those issues for me--and enabling me to deal with them.

Gina-
I quote that idea about hunger being a signal from your body that it's about to tap into your fat stores, but it's not mine originally. I read it here--perhaps Mammapo? In any case, I find that it's true for me. The more hunger I feel on a DD, the more I lose!

You mentioned Thanksgiving, and I wanted to explain that I originally came to JUDDD last Christmas hoping to be able to actually enjoy my Christmas dinner without worrying about every carb and calorie. It was so liberating to know that I wouldn't gain (or would soon lose on my next DD). That's one of the best things about JUDDD. This year, by making Thanksgiving an UD (my normal UD is Thursday!), I can relax and enjoy myself. And what I find is that I don't 'pig out' or anything. I eat like a 'normal person.' I think that's because JUDDD assures me that this isn't a one-time thing--I can eat this way on any UD!

Nitenurse-

You know that 7 lbs is a lot of water--a couple of DDs should help with that. Again, with JUDDD, you don't have to worry about special occasions; you can enjoy them and still gain control.

[BillB]

Hey everybody...

I am still on the plan...doing pretty well. My UD cals fluctuate a good bit--sometimes I am just really hungry and sometimes not.

Leo, keep on doing it. Your perseverance is amazing and inspiring.

Misty....congratulations!

Kisha...welcome back. You're amazing...I would lose my mind if I was gaining on induction. But then again, I refuse to weigh except when I go to the doc, because I have been a slave to the scale before...and I won't do it again.

Thanks for being here, everyone...

--bill

[mistydisa]

I FINALLY started my workouts again yesterday....For some reason, I took a 2 1/2 week hiatus. I've found that to always be the case with me---if I skip a day or two working out, it's always sooooo hard to get back to it, and I keep putting it off and putting it off.

I have 9 weeks left until my cruise and would LOVE to lose 15 more lbs. I counted it up today, and I have 31 weeks left until my 30th birthday. I've always known that one will be a difficult birthday for me, but I've decided to do my very best at losing weight and getting healthy so that my 30's will be the best decade yet! I'm hoping that my 30th birthday party will be a celebration of me finally feeling happy with the way I look!

Hope everyone has a great day!

[Leo41]

Great attitude, Misty! I spent my 30s putting on weight--and my 40s as well--and 50s. It's so wise to be thinking about health now in your life, so that you can enjoy your prime years!

I have a two-week cruise scheduled for February, and I'm hoping to "maintain" while on board, something I've never been able to do prior to JUDDD.

[RobbieD]

Hi all! I wanted to test my new signature. How's it look? DD today- so far so good. I had a protein shake for lunch (170 calories), and a planned snack of my favorite- non-fat key lime yogurt (Yoplait, 100 calories) when I get hungry again. I swear it tastes just like key lime pie!!!!

[Whitlin']

Noticed GME is back - undoubtedly the most cheerful avatar ever. And congrats due on over 2,000 posts.

I am checking in here this morning because I haven't been feeling well and haven't been "on my game" enough mentally to manage a decent down day for several days. Funny how that works - you would think I'd lose but instead I'd be grasping for foods in hopes of settling tummy or making tummy feel better. Then I'd get off track with day schedule and miss DD chance.

I think I feel well enough today to shoot for 600 calories, and if I say it here I'll stay accountable!

[GME]

Originally Posted by BillB

I am still on the plan...doing pretty well. My UD cals fluctuate a good bit--sometimes I am just really hungry and sometimes not.

I think that is how we are meant to be. I know for me, if I had never learned to eat when I wasn't really hungry I wouldn't have the weight issues I do.

Originally Posted by mistydisa

I've always known that one will be a difficult birthday for me, but I've decided to do my very best at losing weight and getting healthy so that my 30's will be the best decade yet! I'm hoping that my 30th birthday party will be a celebration of me finally feeling happy with the way I look.

That's a great way to think about hitting 30. For me, its the 40s (well, I'm three years in already..... but so far, so good)

Congrats on getting back in the workout groove!

Originally Posted by Whitlin'

Noticed GME is back - undoubtedly the most cheerful avatar ever. And congrats due on over 2,000 posts.

I am checking in here this morning because I haven't been feeling well and haven't been "on my game" enough mentally to manage a decent down day for several days. Funny how that works - you would think I'd lose but instead I'd be grasping for foods in hopes of settling tummy or making tummy feel better. Then I'd get off track with day schedule and miss DD chance.

I hadn't even noticed my post count. I need to get out more. I do like Ginger. She's spunky and never gives up.

Hope you are feeling better. I am a "sick eater" too.

Yipes, time to get going. I had more to post, be back later.

[Leo41]

Exercise and loss--

Don't get me wrong; I advocate exercise for overall health and well being. I feel great when I work out. I try to swim a half mile 3x a week, and I also do a program of leg exercises in the water to help with my arthritis (I wouldn't be able to walk if I didn't strengthen my legs).

Last week, however, I was feeling 'blah,' which is the only way to describe not being sick but not feeling very well either. So I was incredibly lazy, didn't go to the pool at all and didn't really move much at home either. Result--weight loss!

I'm convinced that 99% of what I lose depends on what I put in my mouth. That's why I've never deducted any 'calories burned' for exercise. I just do that to help me feel good, but I focus on my eating in order to lose weight.

Everyone is different, and this might not be true for you, but it's my pattern.

[snaggle]

Leo- Dr. Eades' agree with your sentiments and I believe that more evidence is starting to show that something like 90% of weight loss is from restricting calories, not from exercising. That is not to say that they do not recommend doing it. There are so many other benefits that come from exercising and I am living proof that getting fit will help one maintain a loss.
The problem I have with this revelation is that it may give a lot of people the mistaken notion that exercise is NOT important, when it is. I just believe it does not really help that much with weight loss.

[GME]

I agree with the exercise not helping losses- that has certainly been my experience. It does help a great deal with appearance though. I came back to school after summer vacation and my coworkers commented on my great progress during the summer. I lost MAYBE 5 lbs (depending on the day) since they saw me last, but my shape had changed.

Yesterday's DD was surprisingly easy. I had a crazy day at work and on Wednesdays I go straight to class until after 9:00 (working on my admin credential). I had two boiled eggs, a cheesestick and some carrots for lunch and then got a Subway salad and took it to class for dinner. No chance to eat or think about eating anything else. I went home and went to bed.

I packed a regular LC lunch and am planning bunless burgers for dinner. I will probably eat some fruit since it is an UD.

Have a great day everyone!

[Ilpirata]

Its Thursday September 24th.
My weight this morning was 197.4
As you can see in my Stats I reunducted at 193 so obviously I have been GAINING eating at Induction levels. My induction hasn't been perfect but its been close enough to where a normal person would AT LEAST be maintaining.

ugh.

Well anyways I'm not recomitting to getting back on JUDD full time... not sure if I'm up for it but I'm definately doing a Down Day today. Just ONE. ONE at a time. So today will be the first DD I've had in over a month. I'm going out of town this weekend so I'll just do induction this weekend and then reassess next week. I hope I'm ready to get back to JUDD with October's arrival.

[mistydisa]

I absolutely agree that exercise isn't as effective for weight loss as watching caloric intake. It takes a lot of effort to burn a couple hundred calories, but only a few bites of junk food to gain a couple hundred....

But, like Gina said, I look so much better when I'm exercising! My muscles are tighter and are holding in my fat rolls better (haha), and, like she said, my shape is more flattering.

I've also found that on days I exercise, I make better food choices. It's like I ask myself if the calories in X are worth the hour of exercise I did earlier. For example, yesterday, I walked 2 miles, which is a burn of approximately 200 calories. I thought I really wanted to stop at McDonald's for a sweet tea (hey, I'm Southern...we like our sweet tea!), but it's about 160 calories. It would basically undo my 2 miles, and to me, wasn't worth it.

So, like Leo said, I will continue to depend on my WOE for weight loss and depend on exercise for the cardiovascular and other health benefits, the muscle toning and definition, and the psychological benefits.

[mistydisa]

Oh, and Kisha, I meant to say I'M SO SORRY about your struggles! I know that has to be so disheartening!

Are you tracking calories and carbs or carbs only or...???

Good luck on today's DD... I hope you start seeing progress SOON!

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

Oh, and Kisha, I meant to say I'M SO SORRY about your struggles! I know that has to be so disheartening!

Are you tracking calories and carbs or carbs only or...???

Good luck on today's DD... I hope you start seeing progress SOON!

Thanks hon I've been sporadically tracking both (read this as not on weekends) Cals have been medium to high carbs good. The fact is that I just have a messed up metabolism and everyday induction level eating does NOT WORK for me. Period.

[giJ]

Kisha ~~ I really admire how hard you're working, and that you keep trucking despite the struggles. Incredible, truly.

Exercise: Ah, exercise. I hate it. Truly. I'm doing ok with biking because I bike with a purpose (to get to school, to get home, to get to this place or that place, not just to get in the exercise). I've biked 6 miles or more 4 times in the past 6 days (S, S, T, R -- three of which were DDs!), with 6 miles burning a little more than 300 calories (1 hour). I agree that it does not make a huge deficit, especially on DD. HOWEVER, I don't do it for the calorie burn. I do it (to save money on transportation and) for other purposes. Basically, (TMI alert?) I diet to fit and look better in my clothes, and exercises to look better OUT of my clothes.

[Leo41]

Snaggle and all who responded about exercise-

I tried to word my post to indicate that I agree with all of you. I think I look much better at my current weight because of my exercise program, and I'm sure it's responsible for keeping my BP down and my overall good health. At 68, the only Rx I take is for my hypothyroid.

I probably posted my exercise comments in the wrong place. I've been feeling sorry for posters (principally on the Main Lobby) who work out like demons 5-6 days a week and complain that they're not 'losing.' Perhaps TV programs like The Biggest Loser are responsible for people thinking that they will get enormous losses if they punish their bodies like that--or that incredible exercise is necessary for weight loss.

Kisha-

If it's any consolation (and I know it's not:-), I, too, gained on induction. Before JUDDD, when I first stalled last year just eating general low carb, I thought that induction would get me going again--and, like you, I gained. Part of the reason is calories--I can't do induction on very low calories--and some of it may be the hypo--I do better with at least 30g of carbs. I also gained on meat/eggs (which I tried next)--for the same reasons, I'm sure. That's why I was so willing to try JUDDD (which seemed uber-extreme to me at the time)--I was desperate.

Since I've started losing again on JUDDD, and we were doing this for about the same amount of time, we may have just hit a temporary lull in loss, as our bodies got too used to the program. I've been finding that keeping my DD calories steady but switching up on my UD calories with an occasional high calorie day (c.2000) helps.

[giJ]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Snaggle and all who responded about exercise-

I tried to word my post to indicate that I agree with all of you. I think I look much better at my current weight because of my exercise program, and I'm sure it's responsible for keeping my BP down and my overall good health. At 68, the only Rx I take is for my hypothyroid.

I probably posted my exercise comments in the wrong place. I've been feeling sorry for posters (principally on the Main Lobby) who work out like demons 5-6 days a week and complain that they're not 'losing.' Perhaps TV programs like The Biggest Loser are responsible for people thinking that they will get enormous losses if they punish their bodies like that--or that incredible exercise is necessary for weight loss.

I think we were all agreeing with you