SEPT. JUDDD/ Alternate Day Diet

[Leo41]

Misty, Homestretch and being judged by one's weight--

Although rude remarks from other people (and children when I was young) is awful, for me the worst has been the fat-phobic physicians I've encountered who had such obvious disdain for my obese self.

For many years, I didn't have a primary physician because I was so put off by doctors who attributed everything to my weight. I remember once visiting a clinic because I was so ill with flu, and the doctor immediately zeroed in on my weight, as though obesity caused the flu (and even if it did, I needed treatment, not a lecture on the dangers of overweight). What was most infuriating was that even then I realized that these guys also were clueless about losing weight, hadn't the foggiest notion of nutrition, etc.

Fortunately, when I began suffering from osteoarthritis in my late 30s, I encountered a wonderful osteopathic (D.O.) orthopedist who understood that "you should lose weight" was something I fully understood and struggled with daily and that it was not so simple has it seemed to those who had no weight problems.

But he was rare. When I became hypothyroid, it took me 5 years to get diagnosed (and only with a lot of pro-activity on my part) because my two primary doctors (one retired during this period) insisted that my fatigue, hair loss, inability to lose weight was just 'aging' and "because of your weight."

[snaggle]

OObladee-- Thank you so much for the "You can do hard things" post. I think I will print that out and post it somewhere where I can be inspired by it frequently. It is such a basic, yet overlooked concept in today's world.
I think what JUDDD has done for me is realize that it is true. Forcing myself to endure a little hunger and discomfort has been good for me in a lot of ways.

[homestretch]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Misty, Homestretch and being judged by one's weight--

Although rude remarks from other people (and children when I was young) is awful, for me the worst has been the fat-phobic physicians I've encountered who had such obvious disdain for my obese self.

For many years, I didn't have a primary physician because I was so put off by doctors who attributed everything to my weight. I remember once visiting a clinic because I was so ill with flu, and the doctor immediately zeroed in on my weight, as though obesity caused the flu (and even if it did, I needed treatment, not a lecture on the dangers of overweight). What was most infuriating was that even then I realized that these guys also were clueless about losing weight, hadn't the foggiest notion of nutrition, etc.

Fortunately, when I began suffering from osteoarthritis in my late 30s, I encountered a wonderful osteopathic (D.O.) orthopedist who understood that "you should lose weight" was something I fully understood and struggled with daily and that it was not so simple has it seemed to those who had no weight problems.

But he was rare. When I became hypothyroid, it took me 5 years to get diagnosed (and only with a lot of pro-activity on my part) because my two primary doctors (one retired during this period) insisted that my fatigue, hair loss, inability to lose weight was just 'aging' and "because of your weight."

**Leo** You know what I did? I only see women doctors (sorry guys). Even if I need a specialist I try to find a woman that is tops in the field. I did have one woman gyno that I was not crazy about and I found a new one that I like. I have found that they and their staff are much more supportive of me all the way around. My female gyno was the first to tell me to try a low carb diet. My female internist that I went to yesterday has never criticized my weight. Yesterday she said that it is really important to maintain my weight, exercise, and be conscious of my food choices. Even at my heaviest the only thing she told me was that I could try to lose weight and to remember that even a 5 pound loss has a positive impact on health. I am not fond of doctors but if I have to go I prefer to see a woman.

I had a horrible birth with my son and he almost died because my male doctor was negligent and then I almost died of a staph infection in the hospital. In spite of telling my doctor that I was sick over and over and running a temperature my male doctor released me to go home. I had a c-section and while I was trying to get ready to leave (in extreme pain) my incision burst and fluid drained all over the floor. The male intern on call totally reopened the incision without me being on any kind of pain reliever (they held me down) and packed it with antibacterial gauze. Also they could not treat me correctly with antibiotics because the doc forgot to send the fluid out to identify the exact bacteria. I was in the hospital 8 days and sent home with an open wound that a nurse had to come clean/pack twice a day for 6 weeks. Needless to say after that I was done with male docs! My experience with women has been quite positive.

[Leo41]

Wow, Homestretch, what an awful experience! While I certainly understand your preference for female doctors, I wouldn't want to condemn a gender due to a couple of lemons.

In my own recent experience, the first endo I went to was a woman, and she was a superb doctor in terms of knowing medicine. However, she was incredibly unprofessional--always late (I often had the first appointment in the morning before work, and she'd be 30 min. late), and although she took a lot of time with her patients (so the wait was sometimes 2-3 hours), she spent most of the time talking about herself--her problems with her husband, etc., etc. When she spent time congratulating me on my good BG numbers (I realized she thought she was dealing with a diabetic patient rather than thyroid--with the chart right in front of her), I decided to switch.

Now I go to a male endo (recommended by a physician/friend) who is equally good at medicine but totally professional. He is cordial and has been the most supportive of my weight loss of any doctor I've ever known.

So the female doctor isn't always the best choice--although given your experience I can see why you choose women!

[melehundele]

Wow, am I behind on posts! Still reading to catch up.

On the last two posts (sorry to hear of your experience, Homestretch! Wow!). Currently I see a male doc who has finally been the one to adequately treat my lack of thyroid. My last PCP, a woman, fired me. YES, she fired me, because I insisted that I needed more thyroid replacement and because I refused to add a statin to my list of meds just because my LDL had gone up over diabetic recommendations.

Yesterday morning was my 9th day JUDDDing and 7th day since my "initial" weigh in (I was too wussy to get on the scale the first couple days). So yesterday, the morning of an Up day, I was down 8.4 pounds! Yeah!

Today, Down Day, is not going so well. I have already made it a moderate day and it may be lobbying for another UD.

And here is a little reminder: Don't mistake thirst for hunger. I know, I know....but there I was, out in the barn since 7 am, working with the farrier since 9, and 1 o'clock rolled around and I hadn't had a thing to drink. As we were finishing up, the Schwan's guy came buy with some nice Teriyaki chicken bowls and 100-cal "ice cream" cups. So, I figured, I am STARVED, and cooked a chicken bowl (370 calories) and ate a pot of ice cream while I waited. I ate the ice cream, ate the chicken, and then realized I was still thirsty. DUH. So I drank. And then ate another ice cream. And looked at the TV for a half hour and ate ANOTHER ice cream. And that was that.

Now I STILL feel thirsty, and my DD is toast. Had it been most other DD's, I would be so full of fluids I would be waterlogged and not thinking about food for another hour or so.

Just sayin'!

[homestretch]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Wow, Homestretch, what an awful experience! While I certainly understand your preference for female doctors, I wouldn't want to condemn a gender due to a couple of lemons.

In my own recent experience, the first endo I went to was a woman, and she was a superb doctor in terms of knowing medicine. However, she was incredibly unprofessional--always late (I often had the first appointment in the morning before work, and she'd be 30 min. late), and although she took a lot of time with her patients (so the wait was sometimes 2-3 hours), she spent most of the time talking about herself--her problems with her husband, etc., etc. When she spent time congratulating me on my good BG numbers (I realized she thought she was dealing with a diabetic patient rather than thyroid--with the chart right in front of her), I decided to switch.

Now I go to a male endo (recommended by a physician/friend) who is equally good at medicine but totally professional. He is cordial and has been the most supportive of my weight loss of any doctor I've ever known.

So the female doctor isn't always the best choice--although given your experience I can see why you choose women!

Yes perhaps I am a bit biased. I do eliminate doctors based on gender. If I find a female doctor that I do not like I move on to the next one as I did with my gyno. However, I live in an area where we have access to some of the best doctors in the country so I have access to many qualified MD's of either gender. I have a comfort level with my female doctors that I never had with the male docs. I feel that they can share personal experience about the female body along with their professional training. I do have a male allergist that I like very much but he does not deal with my personal areas lol I cannot imagine waiting 2-3 hours to be seen by a doc only to have them speak of their personal lives. I would have walked out at an hour or hour and a half tops......next!

[Leo41]

Ing-
Congratulations on that great loss! And I know exactly what you mean about thirst. What keeps me going on DDs is my tea all day long.

You were well rid of that doctor who "fired" you. I truly hate doctors who 'go by the book' when we all know how flawed that book is. Statins are, in my opinion, so incredibly overused. I have a male friend whose father dropped dead of a heart attack many years ago at age 57. When my friend was 35, he asked his doctor to check his cholesterol because he suspected a genetic predisposition to heart disease. My friend is optimum weight, eats right, and exercises regularly, so his doctor said, "What? A fit guy like you? There's no reason to check your cholesterol at your age."

But he did it anyway, and my friend's cholesterol was almost 400. The doctor was shocked. My point is that my friend is the person for whom statins were invented--his body does not work properly. However, Big Pharma decided to make a killing on their investment and have persuaded doctors that most people need statins. I have had every doctor recommend them to me, even though my HDL is always above 80, my triglycerides are low, and my LDL is borderline at about 205. It would be insane to suggest statins for someone like me. Fortunately, my guys just gave up; no one "fired" me for refusing.

In fact, at my October appointment, my endo plans to do that VAP test to check the size of my LDL particles. He suggested this himself, and I've always wanted to have it done. He thinks, as I do, that with my high HDL and low trig., my LDL particles should be the good 'fluffy' ones. I'd like to have a report on that to help me with any other doctors I encounter who challenge me on statins.

Sorry for getting on my soapbox on this issue

[homestretch]

**Leo** Part of my family has extremely high cholesterol and part normal (I have 8 brothers and sister....big Catholic family). We seem to be split down the middle with one of my brothers and one of my sisters topping the pack with cholesterol over 300. They are both thin and in shape (in fact my sister is a personal trainer). My brother is on statins with little improvement and my sister decided not to take meds since her ratios are good. So much of who we are is determined by our genetics. I agree that it is so aggravating that they push those meds on everyone. I think statins will end up killing as many or more than they ever help.

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by oobladee

Ouch is right!!!! I wish i had a nickel for every time I would mention my running (back when I used to run) and the other persons eyes would travel down my soft body...I knew they did not believe a word.

I cannot gauge how many years it took me to accept this body of mine - not built for speed, but it is all mine and i do love what it tries to deliver to me. I love my strength and endurance. I love my endless energy.

I chalk that up to the media - again - all the info-mercials on thighmasters/treadmills...all the actors are so lithe and awesome. I don't look like that, never did, likely never will, and it's ok.

and let's not forget that to look like an actor looks, one must:

1) not eat.
AND
2) exercise like a pro-athlete
AND
3) resort to things like caffeine, nicotine, uppers, etc to trick the body into continuing to rev and to forget hunger.


oh yeah, and then (whether admitted or not) one must usually have a little 'work' done.

I remember reading that a certain celebrity ate about 600 calories a day AND exercised 45 min of running plus 1 hour of yoga plus 45 min weights every single day..... and still had a little nip and tuck to sculpt and shape - BTW, this wasn't a gossip rag, this was the celeb saying, "Look, you won't look like me, because this is what it takes, and you don't have the money or time". The celeb literally spent thousands of dollars a week on personal training, personal chefs, and beauty treatments, and literally spent 6 hours a day in grooming/exercising etc.

This is not the life I want.


You guys agree?????

[mistydisa]

I agree whole-heartedly, Mammapo!

Being healthy is a top-priority for me, but vanity is not enough of a priority to spend every waking minute thinking about it. I have more important things to spend 6 hours/day on...like my family, friends, and cyber friends.

[melehundele]

Originally Posted by mammapo

... resort to things like caffeine, nicotine, uppers, etc to trick the body into continuing to rev and to forget hunger.
....

My body is immune to such trickery....

Oy, yesterday turned into an UP day Plus. Yikes. Ice cream. Anyway, today is a down day. I need a strategy, because a friend from out of town is coming tomorrow and we have to go to brunch on what would be my new down day, Sunday. THAT ain't going to happen. So....maybe if I DD today, MD tomorrow (so we can have dinner when she gets here), and UD on Sunday... I haven't been on this very long but never ran two UDs in a row and I feel guilty and scared that it would become a habit.

In other words, my 20 packages of tofu shirataki noodles came. I am excited and a little scared of them! The package instructions say to parboil to remove "natural aroma," so now I am wondering if I want to break the seal! Welp, with 20 packages, I better give them a try.

I have been doing more physical stuff (work on the farm) the last few days and I am BEAT. I still have a lot to do before my friend gets here and I have really hit the wall.

How is everyone else doing today? Does anyone have any good plans for the long weekend?

[Leo41]

Ing-

Do a MD if you want to change your schedule, but don't worry too much about two UDs in a row. For months when I first began JUDDD, I kept trying to have a weekend of UD/MD (in order to keep my DDs permanent at M,W,F), but it always seemed to turn into UD/UD But it really didn't seem to inhibit loss as long as I was faithful to my DDs.

I'm not saying the MD isn't a good idea; I was happy when I finally got the hang of them, but don't fear two UDs, especially if you are careful to be 'reasonable' on both of them.

[homestretch]

Good morning everyone!

I did not have a good day food wise yesterday. I really did not overeat but do you ever have a day that you just do not care what you eat? I had a day like that and didn't track or care. I found out a week and a half ago that I am being laid off from my part time job. It is not the end of the world but it is a bummer. I have tried to not get down about it but it really came to a head yesterday and I had a bad day. Today is a new day and I hope it is a good one!

[Ilpirata]

Hi Girls!
(and any men who may still be lurking lol)
Just checking in from my break. Still on induction and my weight is exactly. the. same. every. morning. I'm looking forward to climbing up the carb ladder again as I think I lose better on around 35g of carbs per day. I'm going to stick with textbook Atkins until I'm up to that carb level and see whats going on with my weight.

[Agee]

Hey ya'll -
I'm having a scheduling problem this weekend. Today is my DD, which is fine, although I have a newly developed head cold and am starving...but whatever. Embrace the hunger, right?
Anyway, big family doings this weekend. Tomorrow night (UD) we are having a get-together at an outdoor event. Picnic food is expected. Fine for an UD, right...except the next day (Sunday) is a BIG family meal at my sister and BIL's house. Cannot really do DD without calling complete attention to myself, plus BIL is a total foodie and cooks amazing food. So am thinking that will be an UD, too. Then Monday we are having a get-together and potluck cookout. Which will be tricky to do as a total DD since again, it will call attention to myself and it's a lot of family members...but not enough so it will be completely anonymous. I don't mind calling attention to my WOE, but I haven't lost that much weight and I know many family members will think it's kind of faddy - I'd rather tell them about it when I've at least lost 15 lbs and it's noticeable.
So here's what I'm thinking:
todayD
tomorrow: UD
Sunday: UD
Monday: as low as possible, but probably a medium-ish day
Then Tuesday a DD. Or should I do UD, if I manage Tues. as a DD?
I am open to other suggestions, if any of can think of a different way to pull this off.
Thanks,
A

[BillB]

I am coming out of lurk mode...

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I am still toying with the idea of VLC / UDDD. I have been doing low carb and VLC for a few months (this time) with some pretty good success. For those of you who value such things, my ketostix are turning dark, dark purple for the first time since I first did Atkins a decade ago. My sticks were turning so dark, I was a little scared (I have been recently Dx with Type II) so I actually at a slightly carby dinner to see if it would affect my results--which of course it did.

For the first time in a long time, ketosis (or something else) has finally tamed my hunger. I am not eating when I am not hungry and as a result, I am just eating less. So I am thinking....I could do some very slight rearranging of my calorie intake and perhaps gain the advantage of the JUDDD.

I am on 1g of Metformin twice daily. My blood glucose levels are still too high, but do not fluctuate more than 30 points after meals, after fasting, or ever. I think this is because my diet is almost completely foods that have minimal impact on (my) blood sugar.

****** says I burn over 5000 cals a day, even when I select the lowest activity level. I am more active than that, but I *know* I am not burning close to that many cals.

I am thinking I will try to keep UDs under 3500 cals, and DDs under 700, preferably under 500. Rather than a true alternate day pattern, I thought I would try down days on Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday each week. I plan to keep UDs and DDs LC to VLC.

For DDs, I am planning to use Albacore tuna, coconut oil, macadamias, eggs and celery for the bulk of my calories.

I'd love to hear suggestions and thoughts about giving this plan a try.

Thanks, everyone.

--Bill

[donia]

Ing, hi! I just thought that I would share my experiences with the shirataki noodles. I really hate the smell when they're opened. They smell like mild cat pee to me. The way I prepare them is to drain them, rinse them well, parboil them, drain and rinse them again, and then sort of stir fry them in a pan with a bit of olive oil spray. I know some people don't do all of these steps, but it's the only way that I like them.

I'm having a DD today and doing well!

[Leo41]

Homestretch-

I'm sorry about the job. Even if you don't mind, it's still a blow to be laid off, and I can certainly understand eating out of control. It happens to all of us--i.e., the eating, not necessarily the job loss. Just keep on truckin'--it's all we can do.

Kisha-

Shouldn't there be some movement on induction? Are you sure you're not retaining water for some reason--hypos are prone to water retention even when optimally medicated. Here's my dilemma--last week I went VLC to try to spur loss, and I really felt fine. But I was totally acidic [I have these little sticks you check with], which I've heard is bad, so I added in some carbs (veggies), but now I'm ravenous. I keep wondering whether I should go back to VLC just for a while to change things up. I go out of ketosis at 20g of carbs!

Agee-

It sounds like a good plan to me, but I would try not to think of these 4 days as JUDDD at all. That is, I would try to eat as moderately as possible each day, while enjoying myself and my family. [I say this in case you're like me and thinking of them as UDs could cause you to splurge all 4 days.]

Think of it as a vacation where you can't do DDs. Then, when it's over, go right back to a DD and alternating. I did that on an actual vacation, and, yes, my weight went up--but in less than a week it was back down after a couple of DDs.

Bill-

Your plan sounds good except for one thing--which may be minor from your perspective. According to Dr. J, in order to activate the SIRT1 gene that supposedly is the goal, you have to do 500 cal DDs for 2 weeks, no higher. You might consider dropping the coconut oil. I find that I stay fairly low fat on DDs because otherwise the calories add up much too fast.

[BillB]

Leo,

Thanks for the suggestion. I hadn't noted the 2-week under 500 "induction". Though it does make sense, of course. Yes, the SIRT1 activation is what I am looking for.

About the coconut oil...I find that if I take 6 grams (52 cals) with my Metformin in the morning, the meds don't upset my stomach, and (I think) it gives my metabolism something to do. At any rate, if I do this, I am "good to go" for several hours. For whatever reason, coconut really kills hunger for me. If I add a couple cups of chicken broth to that meal, I can feel really full until mid-afternoon.

Kisha had suggested to me that I wait until I hit a big plateau or until I stop losing to try UDDD, and that advice is still nagging me--Kisha is a pirate, not a nutrition consultant, but her insight has really helped me many times. But as long as I am eating less and frequently not hungry, why not try to flip that SIRT1 switch? Feedback about this would be appreciated!

Thanks, everyone.

--Bill

[Karenlou]

Leo and Homestretch, I know what you mean about unsympathetic doctors - some of them are awful aren't they? I have ongoing mental health problems and I've had some terrible doctors who think it's ok to be rude to me or ignore my physical health needs as if they are some symptom of my mental state! Grr!

Anyway, the good news is - look at my stats - I've lost 4lbs! Ok, I know it's my first week but, even so - 4lbs! Way hay!!!

Had 2 UDs in a row instead of my planned UD + MD but ready for a DD tomorrow and quite looking forward to it - I feel quite stuffed. I'm going to WF till evening and then have soup; give my digestive system a total rest.

Sunday is UD and we're going to the movies - I'm looking forward to guilt-free popcorn

Have a good weekend JUDDDDers x

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by Agee

Hey ya'll -
I'm having a scheduling problem this weekend. Today is my DD, which is fine, although I have a newly developed head cold and am starving...but whatever. Embrace the hunger, right?
Anyway, big family doings this weekend. Tomorrow night (UD) we are having a get-together at an outdoor event. Picnic food is expected. Fine for an UD, right...except the next day (Sunday) is a BIG family meal at my sister and BIL's house. Cannot really do DD without calling complete attention to myself, plus BIL is a total foodie and cooks amazing food. So am thinking that will be an UD, too. Then Monday we are having a get-together and potluck cookout. Which will be tricky to do as a total DD since again, it will call attention to myself and it's a lot of family members...but not enough so it will be completely anonymous. I don't mind calling attention to my WOE, but I haven't lost that much weight and I know many family members will think it's kind of faddy - I'd rather tell them about it when I've at least lost 15 lbs and it's noticeable.
So here's what I'm thinking:
todayD
tomorrow: UD
Sunday: UD
Monday: as low as possible, but probably a medium-ish day
Then Tuesday a DD. Or should I do UD, if I manage Tues. as a DD?
I am open to other suggestions, if any of can think of a different way to pull this off.
Thanks,
A

I think it's smart not to sweat Saturday and Sunday - 2 UDs in a row each week is still textbook JUDDD>

I'd stick with a DD. I'd either take BIG helpings of the very low cal foods and very small helpings of the other stuff and pre-plan for how much of what I was going to eat, OR I'd take very small helpings of whatever it was and not go back for seconds.

I've done both.

If people ask you why you're not eating, just say, "I'm not really in the mood for much right now... gotta save room for later, right?" with a winkwink and a grin. It usually suffices.

The other thing to consider is that people probably won't notice what you put on your plate or how much as long as you're not calling attention to it. My guess is the reason everyone noticed during your last diets or what-have-you is because you were telling them what you "could have" or "couldn't have" on your diet, and were at least reasonably vocal about being on a diet.

On this WOE, if people say, "What, are you on some kind of a diet?" and you say, "Oh no! Nowadays I eat whatever I want to. I'm just not in the mood right now..." you might get a few odd looks, but people will let well enough alone.


You can also help yourself right away, and eat the small portions. Then when people ask why you aren't eating, you can say, "But I did already eat." and when they say, "Oh are you getting more?" you say, "Oh no thanks, I couldn't eat another bite" with a smile and winkwink, and mention your favorite thing or how good the xyz they made was/looked and they'll accept it.

The flip side, take a very very long time to eat the small portions and then you can say, "I'm still finishing this," when people ask you to eat something else.


I have survived many many a party on DDs- those of you who have been around since a long time remember that I'm the one who survived SIX graduation parties in a single 3-day period. It's about preplanning when possible, and creative plate stacking when not possible.

PS... I've learned these two tricks almost always keep people from noticing if I've eaten or not on a DD....

1) walk around with a diet soda (colored) or a big glass of some kind of colored diet drink the whole time. As long as you're filling up on something colored, people seem to be okay.

2) put a very small serving of several things on your plate. Eat 2/3 of it, and smear the rest around the plate just a bit. Leave the 'bites' that are left on the plate and carry the plate with you. If people see that you've 'just eaten' or 'are eating' they tend not to watch what you are or are not taking. It also works, when people say "are you going to have xyz?" you can say, "no thanks, I'm still finishing my abc..."

You would not believe the 'high' you get from staying on a DD without drawing attention to it... the sense of accomplishment is huge, and it's reassuring to realize that people aren't watching you as closely as you think they are...


Remember, other people's expectations are NOT an excuse to overeat. We cannot be held hostage to other people's food issues.

[Agee]

I AM VERY HUNGRY.
That's all. Go about your business.
I better see some kind of loss soon.
A

[donia]

OMG, Agee, I am hungry, too. I can still have a freaking salad if I want, but I really want some chicken with cheese.

[Agee]

We can do it! We only have to wait until tomorrow. Knuckle down, girl (talking to YOU and ME!)
I ate all my food already but it's almost 6 o'clock so I know I can make it. I think my big problem today was having tea with a little honey at about 11. I have a sore throat, and it helped, but I think it also set off an insulin surge.
Good luck. Thank goodness this is only 1 day at a time. Isn't there some other WOE on here where you always eat only 500 cal? How can they do it?
A

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by Agee

We can do it! We only have to wait until tomorrow. Knuckle down, girl (talking to YOU and ME!)
I ate all my food already but it's almost 6 o'clock so I know I can make it. I think my big problem today was having tea with a little honey at about 11. I have a sore throat, and it helped, but I think it also set off an insulin surge.
Good luck. Thank goodness this is only 1 day at a time. Isn't there some other WOE on here where you always eat only 500 cal? How can they do it?
A

Yeah I think thats the WOE for the HCG people.

[donia]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Yeah I think thats the WOE for the HCG people.

Yes, that's right about the HCG. My mom did it and lost 20 pounds in a month. She only had about 60 to lose all total, so she's going to keep going with it. They say that the HCG controls your hunger, but she said she was hungry all the time. I don't know if maybe her dosage needs to be adjusted, or what.

It's 5 here and I'm trying to hold out for at least another hour or so until I have my salad. I'm going to end up having chicken and cheese for breakfast instead of the protein shake with fruit that I was planning!

[Leo41]

Karenlou-

Any loss should be celebrated!

Those of us who suffer for every pound know what an accomplishment it is to lose.

Bill-

I didn't realize the coconut oil was therapeutic, so just ignore my earlier comment. I think Kisha's advice comes from her own experience and mine. We were both stalled big time on standard low carb, and neither of us would have considered this otherwise.

However, based on my experience, my sister has started JUDDD (she's a type 2 diabetic), and she didn't know anything about SIRT1. Her interest is that she can do anything for one day, but she finds it so difficult to restrict every day. In the three weeks she's been doing it, it's worked out fine and her BG has been stable.

My point is that people come to JUDDD for a variety of reasons, and if you think you'd like to try it--why not?

I came in desperation, but I've experienced so many positive benefits from JUDDD that I'm certain I will continue it in maintenance (if I ever get there:-)

[BillB]

Bill-

I think Kisha's advice comes from her own experience and mine. We were both stalled big time on standard low carb, and neither of us would have considered this otherwise.

However, based on my experience, my sister has started JUDDD (she's a type 2 diabetic), and she didn't know anything about SIRT1. Her interest is that she can do anything for one day, but she finds it so difficult to restrict every day.






Just to clarify...I didn't mean to diminish in any way Kisha's advice to me. I have gotten very good input from her several times, so her insight here carries weight. My comment "Kisha is a pirate, not a nutrition counselor" is my attempt at humor....she often writes, "I'm a pirate, not a __________"--which has always made me grin. As I dip my toe in this up-day / down-day pool, I will be mindful of Kisha's advice and watch for red flags of any kind.

A year ago, I would have been tempted by JUDDD for exactly the same reasons as your sister...the starve-so-you-can-binge roller coaster idea matched my screwy ideas and habits regarding food for most of my life. Now...I am trying to be emotionally and physically healthier about food.

I so agree--what difference does it make what draws one (anyone) to (any) eating plan? We can't know if it will work for us or not, unless we try.

Tomorrow, my plan is to eat my nutritional oils, one carb-control smoothie, one Atkins (I know, frankenfood) shake and 2oz of tuna with some celery. That is just under 500 cals, and still gets me the good fats that I really believe we all need. My first attempt at a "down day" was a few days ago when I was traveling, and had made plans for a restaurant dinner with friends. Even with a mighty good (and bigger than I expected) plate of Malaysian food, I wound up with under 1000 cals for the day. I felt it was a qualified success. My next experiment with a down day, I had just over 600 cals in 36 hours.

Today was UD for me, I logged right at 2000 cals, which is lowish for me, but I ate very filling foods and VLC. I am always tempted by ZC, since my occasional ZC day seems to give me so much energy.

I don't have a scale to weigh myself, but I am due at the doc in a couple weeks, and I will report back, whether the news is good or bad.

THANK YOU!

Bill

[donia]

Originally Posted by Agee

We can do it! We only have to wait until tomorrow. Knuckle down, girl (talking to YOU and ME!)
I ate all my food already but it's almost 6 o'clock so I know I can make it. I think my big problem today was having tea with a little honey at about 11. I have a sore throat, and it helped, but I think it also set off an insulin surge.
Good luck. Thank goodness this is only 1 day at a time. Isn't there some other WOE on here where you always eat only 500 cal? How can they do it?
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I hope you're still hanging in there! I had my salad and I'm doing ok. Just a few hours until I can go to sleep, yay!! I'm looking forward to waking up and making myself a big low carb breakfast.

[Agee]

I'm fine. I'm a boring old married lady with no babysitter so I'll be off to bed soon and then morning will come and I will no longer be hungry!
Wahoo.
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