August's Uber-Hot JUDDDDers! - Page 8

dasiey · 08-09-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cherlyndria77

My first weigh in! Hurray!!! Its a loss! 5 pounds, and I know that's usual for a first week, but I feel really good about it. On my UD today, I plan to try not to overindulge. Now that my body is adjusting to the diet I'm guessing I won't have as much leeway with the calorie limits as I've given myself. This week I haven't been too trouble if my DD's were 50 over and sometimes a couple of hundred on my UD's!
Good Juddding to all xxx

Congratulations on your loss too Mistydisa xxx

con grats to you to

dasiey · 08-09-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Agee

Okay ya'll, I'm in!
I have tried every other version of LC out there with very little success - I might as well give this a shot. I actually really, really like eating LC and have no trouble following it, but I've never lost weight. I will spare you the sad story - just trust me on this!
I am thinking it is time for some calorie control, which I've tried before w/o much success either - largely b/c calorie control every day makes me very cranky. I am not good at dealing with hunger day after day after day, which is why LC is my favorite way of eating. But I think this may be doable b/c it's like you all have been saying: you can do anything if it's just for a day.
Anyhoo, I am on DD #1. I have eaten my 500 cal already. It was about as hard as I thought it would be. I planned out what I was going to eat, and while I'll choose differently next time (I ate 2 170 cal atkins bars that I had laying around, which were very chemically and gross, so next time it'll be more whole foods for me) it wasn't that bad. I also had 2 hardboiled eggs and a cucumber, fresh from the garden, with a little vinegar and splenda to pickle it up.
I am PSYCHED to eat real food tomorrow!
The only impediment I see re: doing this is that I am going to the beach for 4 days on Wednesday, and I will probably be pretty tempted not to do this, considering we'll be with 3 other families and the adult beverages and snacky goodness will be flowing. I'm thinking I'll just use these 1st 4 days as a practice run, eat moderately (but not count calories) at the beach, then pop right back on plan when I get back. The 2 DD before the beach will give me confidence this can be done!
I've enjoyed reading this thread (and the previous one).
Adrienne

and juddd does get easier. If I can do it anyone can. Just believe in yourself.

Trishagrrl · 08-09-2009, 08:57 PM

Agee- Welcome to the board! I love the feeling of not being deprived every day too. It's the best part of this WOE.

Leo- So glad to hear that you dropped some weight (even if just a pound) this week. Hopefully you're back on the downward slope!

My weekly weigh-in had me at 209. So, it appears that I'm still in that 208-210 bracket that I've been bouncing around in for almost 2 months. Yesterday was an UD and today a MD. I'm planning on M,W,F DD's this week.

dasiey · 08-10-2009, 04:15 AM

well Trish I was still at 144 this week as well. and Its been about 2 mts. for me as well.
and I don't have hypotyroid

Leo41 · 08-10-2009, 05:47 AM

Agee-

I think you have a good plan about the beach. I've found JUDD to be the easiest plan to return to--just jump right into a DD. I've taken two vacations since I started 7 months ago, and both times I got right back with no difficulty--and shed any vacation weight very quickly--unlike standard low carb where those vacation gains tended to remain for months.

Trish-

I admire your persistence and am sure it will pay off in the long run. Just think of it this way--if you were just eating carelessly during these months, you'd probably have GAINED a lot. Given that alternative, staying the same isn't so bad (although not desired, of course). When the hormones settle, I'm sure you'll lose fine.

homestretch · 08-10-2009, 06:43 AM

Good morning everyone!

**Trish and Daisey** You guys are doing great and that scale will move soon. The power of positive thinking...the whoosh fairy will visit all of us this week!

Today should be an UD for me but I am going to eat out tomorrow so I am going to have a moderate DD instead. That is what I like about this plan. Instead of feeling like I have to either A. not eat out with my kids tomorrow or B. Feel like I blow it because I eat with the kids, I get to actually plan for it and enjoy it.

Have a great week!

Agee · 08-10-2009, 07:25 AM

First DD down, now an UD and I am feeling rather gross. Very much in ketosis - can taste it and feel a little nauseous and headachy. Interesting, actually.
Are all of you doing LC up days and down days? I am thinking LC DD (for appetite control) and moderate carb UD. Thoughts?
A

Leo41 · 08-10-2009, 08:26 AM

Agee-

I do LC both DD and UD for health reasons (trying to avoid diabetes), but many here do carbs. I've also found that JUDDD is very forgiving of carbs. When I've had them on an UD, I don't get the immediate appetitle that I used to get on standard low carb. In his book, Dr. J claims that JUDDD reduces insulin resistance, and that seems to be true for me. So if I have some carbs on an UD, I don't get increased appetite on my DD.

(The reason I know this is because I try to have a carby meal about every month or 6 weeks because I've heard that it helps confuse the body. I try to keep it to 'good' carbs like brown rice and beans or lentils).

mammapo · 08-10-2009, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by homestretch

Good morning everyone!

**Trish and Daisey** You guys are doing great and that scale will move soon. The power of positive thinking...the whoosh fairy will visit all of us this week!

Today should be an UD for me but I am going to eat out tomorrow so I am going to have a moderate DD instead. That is what I like about this plan. Instead of feeling like I have to either A. not eat out with my kids tomorrow or B. Feel like I blow it because I eat with the kids, I get to actually plan for it and enjoy it.

Have a great week!

Amen and Amen!

THis is the best part of JUDDD IMO.. no more "I can't because I'm on this new diet..." with my family. I simply adjust my schedule, and I can plan to enjoy my food with my loved ones with nary a word, sacrifice, or 'cheat'

mammapo · 08-10-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Agee

First DD down, now an UD and I am feeling rather gross. Very much in ketosis - can taste it and feel a little nauseous and headachy. Interesting, actually.
Are all of you doing LC up days and down days? I am thinking LC DD (for appetite control) and moderate carb UD. Thoughts?
A

I naturally end up doing LC on DDs (lean protein and salad, or WF)
and
HC on UDs.

I haven't seen a problem at all.

Agee · 08-10-2009, 08:35 AM

Yesterday, when I explained this WOE to my husband, he said he'd thought I'd end up eating a lot more on my UP, but in my so-far experience (all of a day and a half!) I don't really feel like eating more. I ate more the night before my 1st DD, but I'm eating pretty normally today. I don't have a huge appetite.
A fascinating experiment, I must say!
A

homestretch · 08-10-2009, 09:43 AM

Agee I do LC DD and my UD's are more moderate LC but still pretty low. I may adjust after I have been on this plan for a while.

nitenurse · 08-10-2009, 10:30 AM

I stay mostly lowcarb on my up days, mostly because I get really sick when I eat sugar and white things-like grains.
I started on this June 15th, so far have lost 21#; now I know that is pretty unrealistic, that I will have some catch-up plateaus, etc. But that's ok, I still am not packing that much around on my aching feet.
My Fat Measurements say that I have lost 10# of real fat in there, that is the one I am going to believe (that would be about 2-2.5 lbs a week). The rest is probably that blessed water I keep bouncing around on.
I really like the JUDDDD for a lot of reasons, one of them being that I don't regain as much when I have too many UDs in a row, and that I can plan occasions to fall on Up Days, and that it's real easy to get back on plan.
DD today, protein shakes, veg soup hamburger patty. I noticed yesterday on my up day I was eating smaller portions, because I am starting to really dislike that stuffed feeling. I've always thought I hadn't eaten at all unless I stuffed myself, this is really progress for me.
Good luck to all of us

Leo41 · 08-10-2009, 11:07 AM

Agee & Nitenurse-

Yes, one of the things I've found on JUDDD is not only that I don't want to overeat on UDs, I've actually been learning to eat to satisfaction--rather than being 'stuffed.' As you comment, Nitenurse, all my life, I've always felt that being 'full' meant being 'stuffed,' and I ate far more than I should as a consequence. I had no notion of 'portion control' at all--i.e., I knew what a portion was supposed to be, but there was no way that I could be satisfied with that amount.

What your husband speculated, Agee, is the logical thing--expecting to eat more on UDs, but even from the beginning, I was never tempted to overeat, and I've found myself beginning to eat like a 'normal person.' For example, when I've had social occasions on UDs that involved a restaurant meal and I decided to eat whatever I wanted, I found myself eating moderately. On two occasions, I planned to splurge on dessert, but found myself 'full' at the end of the meal and didn't order dessert. I amazed myself.

Trishagrrl · 08-10-2009, 01:22 PM

I'm having a VERY hard DD today. I think that I've noticed when my rotations fall where DD's are also on my gym days I'm a LOT hungrier. I wonder if it's my body craving more protein?

dasiey · 08-10-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Agee

First DD down, now an UD and I am feeling rather gross. Very much in ketosis - can taste it and feel a little nauseous and headachy. Interesting, actually.
Are all of you doing LC up days and down days? I am thinking LC DD (for appetite control) and moderate carb UD. Thoughts?
A

no I just count calories on my dd

dasiey · 08-10-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by homestretch

Good morning everyone!

**Trish and Daisey** You guys are doing great and that scale will move soon. The power of positive thinking...the whoosh fairy will visit all of us this week!

Today should be an UD for me but I am going to eat out tomorrow so I am going to have a moderate DD instead. That is what I like about this plan. Instead of feeling like I have to either A. not eat out with my kids tomorrow or B. Feel like I blow it because I eat with the kids, I get to actually plan for it and enjoy it.

Have a great week!

I believe.. I believe

nitenurse · 08-10-2009, 01:58 PM

One of the reasons I have at least 2 protein shakes and about 4-6 ounces of lean meat on my DD, is that being a believer in Dr. Eades protein Power, as well as Atkins, I am making sure that I get enough protein on the DDs too. I feel better that way too.
On the UDs, I eat close to the same amount of protein,maybe not shakes, but meat or eggs, and more fat and a few more carbs.
We all are different, but this seems to keep up my energy.
I have order the JUDDD book, anxious to read it and see if there's something I missed

Leo41 · 08-10-2009, 03:10 PM

Nitenurse-

Thanks for the reminder about protein. I've always been a fan of ProteinPower and Dr. Eades, and I've tried to focus on protein on DDs. But I've gotten a little careless lately trying to keep the calories down and having broth and lower protein things. I need to get back to upping my protein because I felt best then and had less hunger.

Trish-

One of the reasons that I do M, W, F DDs is because I swim on Tues., Thurs., and Sun. I'm hungry enough today without doing much of anything; I think if I worked out, too, I'd collapse! I focused on protein but was still incredibly hungry today. I'm not sure why, but it's really annoying, given my current stalled state.

nitenurse · 08-10-2009, 04:37 PM

Somebody says that when you are really hungry it's because you're burning fat. Hope that is true.

mammapo · 08-10-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo41

Agee & Nitenurse-

Yes, one of the things I've found on JUDDD is not only that I don't want to overeat on UDs, I've actually been learning to eat to satisfaction--rather than being 'stuffed.' As you comment, Nitenurse, all my life, I've always felt that being 'full' meant being 'stuffed,' and I ate far more than I should as a consequence. I had no notion of 'portion control' at all--i.e., I knew what a portion was supposed to be, but there was no way that I could be satisfied with that amount.

What your husband speculated, Agee, is the logical thing--expecting to eat more on UDs, but even from the beginning, I was never tempted to overeat, and I've found myself beginning to eat like a 'normal person.' For example, when I've had social occasions on UDs that involved a restaurant meal and I decided to eat whatever I wanted, I found myself eating moderately. On two occasions, I planned to splurge on dessert, but found myself 'full' at the end of the meal and didn't order dessert. I amazed myself.

I've found this too - the other night, I'd even saved my UD calories "Fast Five" style, because I CLEARLY planned to oink oink oink at the dinner I was attending.

I went, and ate whatever it was that I wanted....

which turned out to be 4 oz of chicken, a half a baked potato with margarine, an ear of corn.

and then I turned down - TURNED DOWN! - watermelon for dessert, because I was okay and on the point of being stuffed, and didn't want to feel full.

Something definitely clicks the longer you do this, and food no longer becomes an obsession or god.... or at least that's my experience.

Agee · 08-10-2009, 04:42 PM

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I started on this June 15th, so far have lost 21#

That is really good, IMHO! If I lose half that over the next 7 weeks I will be pretty happy.
My first UD is done, although if I think about it, all previous days before this were UDs!
I wasn't too piggy, although I didn't hold myself back. The cream in my coffee first thing was so tasty!
Tomorrow is DD #2. I plan on eggs, probably 5 or so. And a couple of cucumbers from my garden. And that ought to do it!
I'm excited to go to the beach, but I'm also excited to get back and really get down to business. I'm hoping for results as good as many of you are experiencing!
A

mammapo · 08-10-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Trishagrrl

I'm having a VERY hard DD today. I think that I've noticed when my rotations fall where DD's are also on my gym days I'm a LOT hungrier. I wonder if it's my body craving more protein?

Nopers! That's your body signaling a warning that it has a higher need for calories, and that it wants you to eat more calories or it will dip into your fat stores.

Think about that one for a second...

mammapo · 08-10-2009, 04:45 PM

Urm.. Trish....

I noticed your goal is to have 20% or less bfat.

I was always an athlete, so I aimed for that at first, too....

until I learned something really scary.

Gently (very gently), may I say that after a certain age (and especially those who've had hormonal changes associated with childbirth or menopause), you set yourself up for a suppressed immune system, bone loss, and female problems at less than 22% bfat?

Healthy ideal for women is 22-24%

Trishagrrl · 08-10-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mammapo

Urm.. Trish....

I noticed your goal is to have 20% or less bfat.

I was always an athlete, so I aimed for that at first, too....

until I learned something really scary.

Gently (very gently), may I say that after a certain age (and especially those who've had hormonal changes associated with childbirth or menopause), you set yourself up for a suppressed immune system, bone loss, and female problems at less than 22% bfat?

Healthy ideal for women is 22-24%

Well, 20% is more wishful thinking than anything I suppose. No idea if I'd actually be able to get there. According to the weight charts I should be 114-154, but if I maintain the lean body mass I have now (but I would hope to increase it some) I would hit 20% bf at 165. At 180 (2 years ago) I was at about 27% bf and still felt like I needed to lose significantly more... but my body didn't seem to want to budge. Honestly, I think I could be happy there. So difficult trying to decide what should be a good goal! Thanks for the input

homestretch · 08-10-2009, 06:43 PM

Hi everyone! Finished my moderate DD at 720 calories. Tomorrow will be UD. I have a long day tomorrow of Dr and dentist appts. with the kids.

I have been either skipping breakfast or eating it really late in the morning. Wow, what a difference it makes. I am no nearly as hungry throughout the day doing this. Today I walked 3 miles and finished about 10:30 so I had a protein shake. Then I was not hungry again until about 4. Could it be that as a society we just totally overfeed ourselves?

mammapo · 08-10-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by homestretch

Could it be that as a society we just totally overfeed ourselves?

Consider this:

When I stayed in Italy (where, incidentally the ONLY obese people were other Americans), this was the typical menu/exercise for the day - I had to do this because this was the normal schedule and eating habit of the people I stayed with...

5 miles of walking a day on average - all food shopped for daily. All errands walked by foot. On special excursions average 10-15 miles in a day.

Breakfast (10am) - 5 oz cappucino (NO sugar there or funky flavors! Still the best...)

Lunch (2pm) 3-4 oz cooked pasta with some kind of fresh sauce (usually vegetable based), followed by (usually) 1-2 c fresh salad with dressing OR cooked rice with some kind of 'mix ins" also seasonal. A piece of fruit.

Snack (5pm) a trip to the corner store for a gelato (usually a 2 tbsp serving with a paper holder) OR a spoonful of nutella OR a 3 inch hard roll with about 2 oz of salame or other cured meat inside.

Dinner (9pm) a 10 inch pizza and a bottle of wine .

Great food (usually high in calories, carbs, fats) but teeeeeny amounts of it, coupled with HUGE amounts of exercise.

Not nearly as much food as we feed ourselves on a regular basis.... wouldn't you agree?

In France, it was much of the same.

In Central America.... more of the same.

In fact, anywhere I've been where 'wveryone is skinny', that seems to be the case.

And, incidentally... they all seem to have two other things in common:

Main meal midday AND a nap right after

mistydisa · 08-10-2009, 07:24 PM

Does anyone want to share any low cal recipes that are suitable for DDs? If these have already been posted elsewhere, please let me know. I was browsing through a WW vegetarian cookbook earlier, and several of the recipes look good, but, of course, that could just be because I'm famished on this particular DD....

hotmama_007 · 08-10-2009, 09:20 PM

DD #4 - check!
I finished off the day at around 650 calories Fast-5 style for dinner but I'm still calling it a down day. I walked for about 50 minutes and could hardly get it together afterwards. I'm wondering if I'm having a hard time adjusting to not eating during the day because I'm drinking coffee. Perhaps this causes me to crash? Has anyone noticed that they have more sustainable energy if they do not drink coffee on DDs? I may give up on the fast-5 approach and add a smoothie or two during the day. I bought the "Greens and Whey" smoothie based on the following recommendation:

Greens and Whey

... and it was GREAT! REALLY thick and creamy and only 100 calories while still being very nutricious. It was dessert for today's DD. I'm probably going to start adding these in mid-day to be able to get through DDs without doing a face-plant into my computer at work. Atkins and Slimfast smoothies just don't do it for me - not to mention that they're total frankenfoods.

Anyway, looking forward to my Up day tomorrow! Full fate Fage + peanut butter - I've been dreaming about you!

Leo41 · 08-11-2009, 02:08 AM

Hotmama-

I think it's all individual--I have coffee and caffeinated tea all day long on both DDs and UDs, and I don't think they contribute to any fatigue or hunger. In fact, I think they keep me going.

However, my body has changed in old age. When I was in my 30s and did Atkins for the first time, I would be 'starved' if I had anything more than one cup of coffee in the morning.

My endo suggested increasing caffeine to spur my metabolism (I'm hypo and very slow metabolism) because, as he explained, "You're otherwise healthy." I took that comment to mean that this is a very individual thing.

08-10-2009, 06:43 AM	#216
homestretch Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,325 Gallery: homestretch Stats: 206.5/155 WOE: Low Carb Start Date: 5/26/06	Good morning everyone! Trish and Daisey You guys are doing great and that scale will move soon. The power of positive thinking...the whoosh fairy will visit all of us this week! Today should be an UD for me but I am going to eat out tomorrow so I am going to have a moderate DD instead. That is what I like about this plan. Instead of feeling like I have to either A. not eat out with my kids tomorrow or B. Feel like I blow it because I eat with the kids, I get to actually plan for it and enjoy it. Have a great week! __________________ Start 206.5 5/26/2006.......Goal of 155 Met Nov. 1, 2007 "Be careful the environment you choose for it will shape you; be careful the friends you choose for you will become like them." ~ W. Clement Stone BELIEVE IN THE POWER WITHIN YOURSELF!

08-10-2009, 01:58 PM	#228
nitenurse Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 2,075 Gallery: nitenurse Stats: 290-/(230-229)/160 WOE: Atkins/PP/ JUDDD /IF/Fast 5 Start Date: 1972	One of the reasons I have at least 2 protein shakes and about 4-6 ounces of lean meat on my DD, is that being a believer in Dr. Eades protein Power, as well as Atkins, I am making sure that I get enough protein on the DDs too. I feel better that way too. On the UDs, I eat close to the same amount of protein,maybe not shakes, but meat or eggs, and more fat and a few more carbs. We all are different, but this seems to keep up my energy. I have order the JUDDD book, anxious to read it and see if there's something I missed Last edited by nitenurse; 08-10-2009 at 02:00 PM.. Reason: forgetful

08-10-2009, 07:24 PM	#238
mistydisa Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 479 Gallery: mistydisa Stats: 224/199/150 WOE: Hhcg Start Date: Sept. 30, 2010	recipes Does anyone want to share any low cal recipes that are suitable for DDs? If these have already been posted elsewhere, please let me know. I was browsing through a WW vegetarian cookbook earlier, and several of the recipes look good, but, of course, that could just be because I'm famished on this particular DD....

08-10-2009, 09:20 PM	#239
hotmama_007 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SF, CA Posts: 115 Gallery: hotmama_007 Stats: 182/157/130 Start Date: HcgR1: 1/21/12	DD #4 - check! I finished off the day at around 650 calories Fast-5 style for dinner but I'm still calling it a down day. I walked for about 50 minutes and could hardly get it together afterwards. I'm wondering if I'm having a hard time adjusting to not eating during the day because I'm drinking coffee. Perhaps this causes me to crash? Has anyone noticed that they have more sustainable energy if they do not drink coffee on DDs? I may give up on the fast-5 approach and add a smoothie or two during the day. I bought the "Greens and Whey" smoothie based on the following recommendation: Greens and Whey ... and it was GREAT! REALLY thick and creamy and only 100 calories while still being very nutricious. It was dessert for today's DD. I'm probably going to start adding these in mid-day to be able to get through DDs without doing a face-plant into my computer at work. Atkins and Slimfast smoothies just don't do it for me - not to mention that they're total frankenfoods. Anyway, looking forward to my Up day tomorrow! Full fate Fage + peanut butter - I've been dreaming about you! __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rx HCG R1P2 start: 1/23/12 Preload lbs: 182 Vlcd#01: 184.3 Vlcd#20: 167.3

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08-09-2009, 08:57 PM	#213
Trishagrrl Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 986 Gallery: Trishagrrl	Agee- Welcome to the board! I love the feeling of not being deprived every day too. It's the best part of this WOE. Leo- So glad to hear that you dropped some weight (even if just a pound) this week. Hopefully you're back on the downward slope! My weekly weigh-in had me at 209. So, it appears that I'm still in that 208-210 bracket that I've been bouncing around in for almost 2 months. Yesterday was an UD and today a MD. I'm planning on M,W,F DD's this week.

08-10-2009, 04:15 AM	#214
dasiey Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 6,105 Gallery: dasiey WOE: Juddd Start Date: 11/13/2011	well Trish I was still at 144 this week as well. and Its been about 2 mts. for me as well. and I don't have hypotyroid

08-10-2009, 05:47 AM	#215
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,425 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Agee- I think you have a good plan about the beach. I've found JUDD to be the easiest plan to return to--just jump right into a DD. I've taken two vacations since I started 7 months ago, and both times I got right back with no difficulty--and shed any vacation weight very quickly--unlike standard low carb where those vacation gains tended to remain for months. Trish- I admire your persistence and am sure it will pay off in the long run. Just think of it this way--if you were just eating carelessly during these months, you'd probably have GAINED a lot. Given that alternative, staying the same isn't so bad (although not desired, of course). When the hormones settle, I'm sure you'll lose fine.

08-10-2009, 07:25 AM	#217
Agee Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: NC Posts: 1,562 Gallery: Agee Stats: 191.6/171.2(r2hHCG)/135 WOE: R2hHCG:P2 Start Date: 2/10/2013(r1) 4/2/2013 (r2)	First DD down, now an UD and I am feeling rather gross. Very much in ketosis - can taste it and feel a little nauseous and headachy. Interesting, actually. Are all of you doing LC up days and down days? I am thinking LC DD (for appetite control) and moderate carb UD. Thoughts? A

08-10-2009, 08:26 AM	#218
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,425 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Agee- I do LC both DD and UD for health reasons (trying to avoid diabetes), but many here do carbs. I've also found that JUDDD is very forgiving of carbs. When I've had them on an UD, I don't get the immediate appetitle that I used to get on standard low carb. In his book, Dr. J claims that JUDDD reduces insulin resistance, and that seems to be true for me. So if I have some carbs on an UD, I don't get increased appetite on my DD. (The reason I know this is because I try to have a carby meal about every month or 6 weeks because I've heard that it helps confuse the body. I try to keep it to 'good' carbs like brown rice and beans or lentils).

08-10-2009, 08:35 AM	#221
Agee Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: NC Posts: 1,562 Gallery: Agee Stats: 191.6/171.2(r2hHCG)/135 WOE: R2hHCG:P2 Start Date: 2/10/2013(r1) 4/2/2013 (r2)	Yesterday, when I explained this WOE to my husband, he said he'd thought I'd end up eating a lot more on my UP, but in my so-far experience (all of a day and a half!) I don't really feel like eating more. I ate more the night before my 1st DD, but I'm eating pretty normally today. I don't have a huge appetite. A fascinating experiment, I must say! A

08-10-2009, 09:43 AM	#222
homestretch Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,325 Gallery: homestretch Stats: 206.5/155 WOE: Low Carb Start Date: 5/26/06	Agee I do LC DD and my UD's are more moderate LC but still pretty low. I may adjust after I have been on this plan for a while.

08-10-2009, 10:30 AM	#223
nitenurse Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 2,075 Gallery: nitenurse Stats: 290-/(230-229)/160 WOE: Atkins/PP/ JUDDD /IF/Fast 5 Start Date: 1972	I stay mostly lowcarb on my up days, mostly because I get really sick when I eat sugar and white things-like grains. I started on this June 15th, so far have lost 21#; now I know that is pretty unrealistic, that I will have some catch-up plateaus, etc. But that's ok, I still am not packing that much around on my aching feet. My Fat Measurements say that I have lost 10# of real fat in there, that is the one I am going to believe (that would be about 2-2.5 lbs a week). The rest is probably that blessed water I keep bouncing around on. I really like the JUDDDD for a lot of reasons, one of them being that I don't regain as much when I have too many UDs in a row, and that I can plan occasions to fall on Up Days, and that it's real easy to get back on plan. DD today, protein shakes, veg soup hamburger patty. I noticed yesterday on my up day I was eating smaller portions, because I am starting to really dislike that stuffed feeling. I've always thought I hadn't eaten at all unless I stuffed myself, this is really progress for me. Good luck to all of us

08-10-2009, 11:07 AM	#224
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,425 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Agee & Nitenurse- Yes, one of the things I've found on JUDDD is not only that I don't want to overeat on UDs, I've actually been learning to eat to satisfaction--rather than being 'stuffed.' As you comment, Nitenurse, all my life, I've always felt that being 'full' meant being 'stuffed,' and I ate far more than I should as a consequence. I had no notion of 'portion control' at all--i.e., I knew what a portion was supposed to be, but there was no way that I could be satisfied with that amount. What your husband speculated, Agee, is the logical thing--expecting to eat more on UDs, but even from the beginning, I was never tempted to overeat, and I've found myself beginning to eat like a 'normal person.' For example, when I've had social occasions on UDs that involved a restaurant meal and I decided to eat whatever I wanted, I found myself eating moderately. On two occasions, I planned to splurge on dessert, but found myself 'full' at the end of the meal and didn't order dessert. I amazed myself.

08-10-2009, 01:22 PM	#225
Trishagrrl Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 986 Gallery: Trishagrrl	I'm having a VERY hard DD today. I think that I've noticed when my rotations fall where DD's are also on my gym days I'm a LOT hungrier. I wonder if it's my body craving more protein?

08-10-2009, 03:10 PM	#229
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,425 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Nitenurse- Thanks for the reminder about protein. I've always been a fan of ProteinPower and Dr. Eades, and I've tried to focus on protein on DDs. But I've gotten a little careless lately trying to keep the calories down and having broth and lower protein things. I need to get back to upping my protein because I felt best then and had less hunger. Trish- One of the reasons that I do M, W, F DDs is because I swim on Tues., Thurs., and Sun. I'm hungry enough today without doing much of anything; I think if I worked out, too, I'd collapse! I focused on protein but was still incredibly hungry today. I'm not sure why, but it's really annoying, given my current stalled state.

08-10-2009, 04:37 PM	#230
nitenurse Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 2,075 Gallery: nitenurse Stats: 290-/(230-229)/160 WOE: Atkins/PP/ JUDDD /IF/Fast 5 Start Date: 1972	Somebody says that when you are really hungry it's because you're burning fat. Hope that is true.

08-10-2009, 04:45 PM	#234
mammapo Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: central pa Posts: 530 Gallery: mammapo Stats: 184.4/168/140 WOE: JUDDD Start Date: 1/9/ 2009. paused 2/2010. restart 10/30/2011	Urm.. Trish.... I noticed your goal is to have 20% or less bfat. I was always an athlete, so I aimed for that at first, too.... until I learned something really scary. Gently (very gently), may I say that after a certain age (and especially those who've had hormonal changes associated with childbirth or menopause), you set yourself up for a suppressed immune system, bone loss, and female problems at less than 22% bfat? Healthy ideal for women is 22-24%

08-10-2009, 06:43 PM	#236
homestretch Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,325 Gallery: homestretch Stats: 206.5/155 WOE: Low Carb Start Date: 5/26/06	Hi everyone! Finished my moderate DD at 720 calories. Tomorrow will be UD. I have a long day tomorrow of Dr and dentist appts. with the kids. I have been either skipping breakfast or eating it really late in the morning. Wow, what a difference it makes. I am no nearly as hungry throughout the day doing this. Today I walked 3 miles and finished about 10:30 so I had a protein shake. Then I was not hungry again until about 4. Could it be that as a society we just totally overfeed ourselves?

08-11-2009, 02:08 AM	#240
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,425 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Hotmama- I think it's all individual--I have coffee and caffeinated tea all day long on both DDs and UDs, and I don't think they contribute to any fatigue or hunger. In fact, I think they keep me going. However, my body has changed in old age. When I was in my 30s and did Atkins for the first time, I would be 'starved' if I had anything more than one cup of coffee in the morning. My endo suggested increasing caffeine to spur my metabolism (I'm hypo and very slow metabolism) because, as he explained, "You're otherwise healthy." I took that comment to mean that this is a very individual thing.