August's Uber-Hot JUDDDDers!

[JONAH'S GRANNY]

Thanks everyone for the responses. I continue to trudge along trying to stay under 1200 calories. Looks like that is close to what would be an average for UD/DD's. I guess I'll continue eating like that as long as I can lose a pound ever now and then.

Good Luck to all.

[Leo41]

Jonah's Granny-

There's supposed to be some kind of benefit to the up and down calorie cycling, and for me, it actually seems to work. I was stalled for about a year going up and down the same 10 lbs on standard low carb, low calories. But JUDDD enabled me to begin losing again. It could just have been the switch to something different, of course.

But the overall benefit for me is that it enables me to restrict calories to a low level without the frustration of trying to do that on a daily basis. Because of age (68) and hypothyroidism, I have an extremely low metabolism, so I need to restrict calories to <1000 a day, and JUDDD makes that manageable.

I would imagine that if you averaged 1200 cal a day, you'd do better with JUDDD than doing that daily. However, if you're losing, there's no reason to go to something extreme like JUDDD. Most of us are here because we stalled big time and were desperate.

[hotmama_007]

[QUOTE=mammapo;12306917]Hey Lucianna!

One thing I found to be helpful - embrace the hunger on DDs.

We spend our whole lives trying to make the hunger go away... but the truth is that hunger is your body warning you that it's about to dip into your fat. I find that the hungrier I've been on DDs the more I've lost.

QUOTE]

I love it .... SO TRUE

When I was in Paris (what seems like about 100 years ago) I was "embracing" the pastries as all the skinny French fashionistas were sitting around drinking cappucinos. I felt like I was the only one eating in that city! I realize now that they must have been embracing their hunger and then probably eating gobs of delicious cheese and wine at night!

I am definitely EMBRACING right now!!!! LOL.....!! But I'm thinking that with each passing hour, I'm just a liiiiiiiiittle but thinner. ;-)

[kristinaW]

Hi everyone...

Who counts their UD calories? I have not been really keeping track of my UD calories for the past week or so, so I decided to add up my calories today and YIKES! 2405! And I did not even feel like I ate that much-mostly just a bigger breakfast than normal and pasta for lunch.

I think if I want to seriously lose weight I am going to need to faithfully keep track of my UDs as well as my DDs and keep my UD around 1700 or so.

What do you all do?

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by kristinaW

Hi everyone...

Who counts their UD calories? I have not been really keeping track of my UD calories for the past week or so, so I decided to add up my calories today and YIKES! 2405! And I did not even feel like I ate that much-mostly just a bigger breakfast than normal and pasta for lunch.

I think if I want to seriously lose weight I am going to need to faithfully keep track of my UDs as well as my DDs and keep my UD around 1700 or so.

What do you all do?

This is something I've struggled with! I DO count just about every single day and *aim* for 1800 on UD but am totally happy with anything in the 2000 neighborhood... I've had monstrous UDs many many times.

[Leo41]

Kristina-

I have ALWAYS counted my UD calories, mainly because I am doing JUDDD for calorie restriction and know I need to keep track of everything. As you noticed, I'm just amazed how quickly they add up. Sometimes, even though it's an UD, I find I have to skip dinner because I've had so many calories already (I'm a morning eater mainly). The good news is that thanks to the DDs, I find that I'm fully satisfied with much less food on my UDs.

[Lucianna]

Hot Mama,

I know exactly what you mean.
I had a really really good DD yesterday. One problem though...I'm not hungry at all today. I'm still really nausetious at the thought of food. What should I do?
I'm scared that my body will start ripping into my muscle, but I can't bring myself to eat. I just barely downed a pint of lemon/water with my vitamins. I'm also feeling vague and have a faint muscle ache. Do you think I'm lacking in potasium maybe? I have been drinking ALOT and not eating much lately...
Do you think I should force myself to eat...or wait till I get hungry? (If I get hungry )
I wanna be hungry!!!

[mammapo]

[quote=hotmama_007;12308941]

Originally Posted by mammapo

Hey Lucianna!

One thing I found to be helpful - embrace the hunger on DDs.

We spend our whole lives trying to make the hunger go away... but the truth is that hunger is your body warning you that it's about to dip into your fat. I find that the hungrier I've been on DDs the more I've lost.

QUOTE]

I love it .... SO TRUE

When I was in Paris (what seems like about 100 years ago) I was "embracing" the pastries as all the skinny French fashionistas were sitting around drinking cappucinos. I felt like I was the only one eating in that city! I realize now that they must have been embracing their hunger and then probably eating gobs of delicious cheese and wine at night!

I am definitely EMBRACING right now!!!! LOL.....!! But I'm thinking that with each passing hour, I'm just a liiiiiiiiittle but thinner. ;-)

Funny you should say this, because one of my Best Friends years ago was raised in Paris. He always said that French women eat everything ... but just a bite of it.

And here's something interesting he also said... they'd check themselves and if they got above a certain weight, they'd go on a fast for the next day to balance things. They'd also do this after a large eating day.... sounds like IF to me, on a large, cultural scale!

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by kristinaW

Hi everyone...

Who counts their UD calories? I have not been really keeping track of my UD calories for the past week or so, so I decided to add up my calories today and YIKES! 2405! And I did not even feel like I ate that much-mostly just a bigger breakfast than normal and pasta for lunch.

I think if I want to seriously lose weight I am going to need to faithfully keep track of my UDs as well as my DDs and keep my UD around 1700 or so.

What do you all do?

I'm going to start tracking my UDs - I'd put on a bunch of weight during my vacation (2 weeks of very high calorie, high sugar food) ... and no I'm not sorry for it... but knowing my metabolism, I'll need to be strict to lose it.

[Ricci_DOLL]

mammapo - thanks for the advice about drinking hot liquids B4 meals. Tommorrow's a DD, so i'll be trying that.

I weighed in today @ 10:00. I'm down 1 lb ( 159)! I'll TAKE IT!

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by Lucianna

Hot Mama,

I know exactly what you mean.
I had a really really good DD yesterday. One problem though...I'm not hungry at all today. I'm still really nausetious at the thought of food. What should I do?
I'm scared that my body will start ripping into my muscle, but I can't bring myself to eat. I just barely downed a pint of lemon/water with my vitamins. I'm also feeling vague and have a faint muscle ache. Do you think I'm lacking in potasium maybe? I have been drinking ALOT and not eating much lately...
Do you think I should force myself to eat...or wait till I get hungry? (If I get hungry )
I wanna be hungry!!!

frankly it sounds like you might be coming down with a bug.

But to allay the potassium thing, take a supplement, or eat one of these:
Food, serving size, amount of potassium.

If you're concerned about carbs, your best bets are Avocados and Spinach (spinach is a huge source of potassium and very low carb)

Apricots, dried 10 halves 407
Avocados, raw 1 ounce 180
Bananas, raw 1 cup 594
Beets, cooked 1 cup 519
Brussel sprouts, cooked 1 cup 504
Cantaloupe 1 cup 494
Dates, dry 5 dates 271
Figs, dry 2 figs 271
Kiwi fruit, raw 1 medium 252
Lima beans 1 cup 955
Melons, honeydew 1 cup 461
Milk, fat free or skim 1 cup 407
Nectarines 1 nectarine 288
Orange juice 1 cup 496
Oranges 1 orange 237
Pears (fresh) 1 pear 208
Peanuts dry roasted, unsalted 1 ounce 187
Potatoes, baked, 1 potato 1081
Prune juice 1 cup 707
Prunes, dried 1 cup 828
Raisins 1 cup 1089
Spinach, cooked 1 cup 839
Tomato products, canned sauce 1 cup 909
Winter squash 1 cup 896
Yogurt plain, skim milk 8 ounces 579


The other thought is that you may have water intoxication - it's rare, but I've actually had it, and it's extremely dangerous. The symptoms you have sound suspiciously like what I've experienced. You need to get some electrolytes and salts into you, in that case.

[Lucianna]

Thanks so much for the help Mamapo!

There's an avo in the fridge that I'll get into or maybe some frozen spinach in the freezer.
Ohhhh. Water intoxication? I've heard of it...it is possible with the amount I've been drinking. I havent been very thirty today though.
I really do hope its just a bug.
I had a bit of steak and an egg fried in olive oil. It was very satisfying and yummy. But I think I only ate it cause it was tasty, not out of hunger.
Hopefully I'll start feeling a little more energetic!

Thanks again for your help!

[weasel!]

Originally Posted by kristinaW

Hi everyone...

Who counts their UD calories? I have not been really keeping track of my UD calories for the past week or so, so I decided to add up my calories today and YIKES! 2405! And I did not even feel like I ate that much-mostly just a bigger breakfast than normal and pasta for lunch.

I think if I want to seriously lose weight I am going to need to faithfully keep track of my UDs as well as my DDs and keep my UD around 1700 or so.

What do you all do?

I don't count my UD calories. I believe it's the contrasts between high and low that make this plan work. I think I'm probably having about 2500/UD. And the plan is working great for me!

That said, even if you do 2500 on UDs and 500 on DDs, that's 3000 every two days, which is only 1500 per day average. Right?

The other thing that makes this plan sustainable for me is the VACATION from dieting four days a week!

[kristinaW]

So I went back and double checked what my UD and DD calories should be. Somewhere along the line (probably after vacation) I started eating 500 calories on my DD. In actuality, my DD should be slightly under 400. I also know that I need to get my UD to under 2000. I am recommitting today to the lower numbers that I should be eating!! And hoping that this will get my numbers moving downward again.

Today for my DD lunch, I had 1/2 cup of cooked and mashed cauliflower and spinach (around 40 calories) and shrimp-6 pieces grilled (around 50 calories for 35 grams).

I am off to the gym! Wishing you all a successful UD/DD!

[weasel!]

Originally Posted by Lucianna

Hot Mama,

I know exactly what you mean.
I had a really really good DD yesterday. One problem though...I'm not hungry at all today. I'm still really nausetious at the thought of food. What should I do?
I'm scared that my body will start ripping into my muscle, but I can't bring myself to eat. I just barely downed a pint of lemon/water with my vitamins. I'm also feeling vague and have a faint muscle ache. Do you think I'm lacking in potasium maybe? I have been drinking ALOT and not eating much lately...
Do you think I should force myself to eat...or wait till I get hungry? (If I get hungry )
I wanna be hungry!!!

I have also experienced the not-hungry-after-DD phenomenon. I think it's important to start eating as early as possible on UDs so that your body doesn't go into a fat-hoarding mode, or starvation mode, as it does on long periods of calorie restriction.

Your nauseous feeling might be from eating a lot of vitamins on an empty stomach. I know that I have that reaction.

If you eat a little something, it will likely trigger your appetite. How about something soothing like yogurt or sour cream? A half apple, for instance, will do wonders to awaken a dormant hunger within a half hour or so of eating it.

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by Lucianna

Hot Mama,

I know exactly what you mean.
I had a really really good DD yesterday. One problem though...I'm not hungry at all today. I'm still really nausetious at the thought of food. What should I do?
I'm scared that my body will start ripping into my muscle, but I can't bring myself to eat. I just barely downed a pint of lemon/water with my vitamins. I'm also feeling vague and have a faint muscle ache. Do you think I'm lacking in potasium maybe? I have been drinking ALOT and not eating much lately...
Do you think I should force myself to eat...or wait till I get hungry? (If I get hungry )
I wanna be hungry!!!

well if you are eating very low to no carbs. that will take away all your hunger.

[weasel!]

Here's what Dr. Johnson says about calorie control on Up Days. In a nutshell, don't do it.

The Up Day

On the up day, you can eat anything you want and as much as you want, but do not intentionally over eat.

When starting out, it is important to not concern yourself with up day calorie intake because of the phenomena of diet stress and diet fatigue. Focus on staying under 20-25% on the down day.

Based on animal research, the type of food eaten on the up day is unimportant compared to adhering to the down day calorie limit. This will activate genes (SIRT1) which set in motion the beneficial processes which produce optimal health.

[cagmom]

Originally Posted by weasel!

I don't count my UD calories. I believe it's the contrasts between high and low that make this plan work. I think I'm probably having about 2500/UD. And the plan is working great for me!

That said, even if you do 2500 on UDs and 500 on DDs, that's 3000 every two days, which is only 1500 per day average. Right?

The other thing that makes this plan sustainable for me is the VACATION from dieting four days a week!

WEASEL-I count both the high & the low days I found that I can't get up higher than 1600 on the UD and now I'm working on my DD's.Last week I had 3/300c days which I lost, but only to return to a no loss by the time of my W-I.This week I going to try the 400 mark and see what happens with that.

As far as averaging your number out,I totaled it up and it came to a higher number per day than you had. 2500/4 500/3 I get an average of 1714 per day.




RICCO DOLL-Thanks for the congrats,If I can only loss 1lb a week it would make me very happy.

[weasel!]

Originally Posted by cagmom

As far as averaging your number out,I totaled it up and it came to a higher number per day than you had. 2500/4 500/3 I get an average of 1714 per day.

Cagmom, good point, that would be the average for someone doing MWF DDs and SnTRS UDs. The 1500 calorie average is for someone doing true alternation, because every two days would total 3000, given 500 cal DDs and 2500 cal UDs.

I don't know what my UD numbers are, so really I shouldn't even throw estimated numbers of what they might be unless I count. All I can say is that I eat as much as I want of whatever I want.

[Trishagrrl]

Good Morning everyone,

I'm having a hard time getting motivated to go to the gym this morning. I'm looking around my house that's half packed up and thinking I ought to work on that, but also knowing I need to go to the gym. I'm just still so sore from Monday's workout! I'm also dreading today's DD. I'm not hungry yet, but lately I've had such a voracious appetite!

Wishing everyone a goo JUDDD day!

[slimlizzie]

Good morning everyone..I start today with a DD...last night was definatley an UD I gained 2 lbs over night!my own doing!

So today is another day and a newstart with a different WOE..
I will try to ****** my DD"s and UD's Here goes.............................once I get started my energy will return

[nitenurse]

Had a good DD, scale wt not back down after too big a up weekend. The neat thing about this JUDDDD woe; if the up days are too many (2 in a row) or too much (carbs), even if I gain, I never go back to my starting wt, or even close. Instead I gain some water weight, looks like 2-3 lbs, but in a day or so I will be back where I was. Really helps to keep from getting discouraged.
I don't know why it takes so long to get rid of the extra fluid, even with diuretics (bp meds). But it seems to take a week for me to get back to where I was. Makes the blowout not worth it, for sure.

[homestretch]

I am going to mark my spot and join in again. I am quite frustrated with myself and my diet right now. Some of you probably remember me from a few months back when I tried JUDDD. I am trying to lose 10 pounds I have gained in the last 7-8 months. I think I am finally over being mad at myself for it and ready to try to move on.

I am coming off of a trial at ZC. I spent two weeks on ZC and it did not agree with me. I have spent the last week trying to get over the effects of it. ZC put my body into a funk and my digestive system is out of whack. The suffering of those 2 weeks were not worth the 2 pounds that I lost

Lately I have felt like I cannot get my self control back. We have had so many birthdays, graduations, baby showers, weddings and a wonderful 9 day vacation. Each time I thought that I would be strong only to cave in and eat cake....ohhhhh so much cake.

I am just looking for the support I need to stick to plan. I reread much of the information on the benefits of fasting and modified fasting and I am on board. My goal is to lose 10 pounds and my mini goal is for my size 8 pants to not be snug anymore!

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by slimlizzie

Good morning everyone..I start today with a DD...last night was definatley an UD I gained 2 lbs over night!my own doing!

So today is another day and a newstart with a different WOE..
I will try to ****** my DD"s and UD's Here goes.............................once I get started my energy will return

GOOD LUCK ON YOUR FIRST DD!!!! The first few were pretty difficult for me but our JUDD mantra really helped "tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow" YOU CAN DO IT!

Originally Posted by homestretch

I am going to mark my spot and join in again. I am quite frustrated with myself and my diet right now. Some of you probably remember me from a few months back when I tried JUDDD. I am trying to lose 10 pounds I have gained in the last 7-8 months. I think I am finally over being mad at myself for it and ready to try to move on.

I am coming off of a trial at ZC. I spent two weeks on ZC and it did not agree with me. I have spent the last week trying to get over the effects of it. ZC put my body into a funk and my digestive system is out of whack. The suffering of those 2 weeks were not worth the 2 pounds that I lost

Lately I have felt like I cannot get my self control back. We have had so many birthdays, graduations, baby showers, weddings and a wonderful 9 day vacation. Each time I thought that I would be strong only to cave in and eat cake....ohhhhh so much cake.

I am just looking for the support I need to stick to plan. I reread much of the information on the benefits of fasting and modified fasting and I am on board. My goal is to lose 10 pounds and my mini goal is for my size 8 pants to not be snug anymore!

Welcome back hon,
And thanks for the report on ZC. For some reason that WOE always tempts me despite me knowing that I've stalled on VLC before and that I NEED a certain amount of carbs for my hypothyroidism. Sorry it screwed you up but I'm sure your system will get back to normal after a few good healthy UD (with DD in between of course lol)

[Ilpirata]

DD for me today.
I don't even want to TALK about the heinous lies my scale is telling me... that time off my meds did me no favors!

[homestretch]

Thanks Kisha! ZC is tempting because a few people have such amazing success with it. In the past I always stalled when I took my carbs too low but I was still seduced into thinking that ZC would be the answer to my problems lol! It is like every other WOE, it is the magic bullet for some and some have no luck with it at all. My absolute greatest success has been when I did calorie cycling which is why I am here. I did not do JUDDD at the time, I just ate different calorie levels every day and it worked really well.

[Leo41]

Kisha-
I think it's the hypo that prevents us from thriving on zero carb. I know that when I was in my 30s and first doing Atkins, I discovered that I was extremely carb sensitive and lost best on almost zero carbs--just a few veggies would stall me. But last year, when I was desperate to begin losing again, I tried zero carb and just made myself sick. No weight loss, and I also felt just awful. Once I added my veggies back and upped the carbs, I felt fine again.

Weasel-

I don't like to disagree, but I believe that "starvation mode" is a myth--otherwise why would anorexics get so very skinny eating practically nothing?
From what I've read, the metabolism WILL slow, but such a miniscule amount that it hardly registers. My endo tells me that he has people losing weight safely (and by necessity) on 750 cals a day (medically supervised, of course), and he has no problem with my efforts to stay below 1000 cal daily--in fact, he applauds me efforts. What I DO know is that my metabolism is already so slow that I will gain on 1400 cal a day, so I really have no choice except to restrict severely. My blood values are regularly checked, and I've experienced no ill effects so far. If I could lose on 1400 cal a day or more, you can be sure I'd be eating to that level.

I'm NOT recommending what I do, but I think that people are unique physiologically, and what works for some may not work at all for others. We need to learn our own needs and how best to deal with them.

[Allieglover]

Good Morning everyone! I had a very sucessful DD yesterday I came in 465 calories.

I am looking forward to my UD today. I changed my days around because it's to hard to function at work the day after a down day. So now T, TH, Sun will be DD and Friday will be a MD. Saturday & Wed will be UD. I'm going to track my calories very carefully.

So far I'm losing 2 lbs per week. I'm very happy with that. I can't weigh this week because of TOM but I can't wait to see what my total is once all this water weight comes off.

I still wake up with a headache after every down day, does anyone know when this will go away?

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by Allieglover

Good Morning everyone! I had a very sucessful DD yesterday I came in 465 calories.

I am looking forward to my UD today. I changed my days around because it's to hard to function at work the day after a down day. So now T, TH, Sun will be DD and Friday will be a MD. Saturday & Wed will be UD. I'm going to track my calories very carefully.

So far I'm losing 2 lbs per week. I'm very happy with that. I can't weigh this week because of TOM but I can't wait to see what my total is once all this water weight comes off.

I still wake up with a headache after every down day, does anyone know when this will go away?

RIGHT ON! It sounds like you're doing great with the weight loss. 2 LBS per week is nothing to sneeze at! RE headaches... I haven't experienced them but they have been reported numerous times on the JUDD threads... I feel like they usually go away completely in about a month.

[mammapo]

yesterday my dd went well, I stayed within the 30% mark.

Today I was soooo hungry when I woke up :-) It's good to be on an UD