August's Uber-Hot JUDDDDers!

[Agee]

Yay! for people in VFT and people who are losing!
VFT for me is hard to calculate.
Haven't weighed below 170 in 2.5 years.
Haven't weighed below 167 in 6.
Haven't weighed below 161 in 8.
Haven't weighed below 157 in 12.
So what is my VFT?
A

[snaggle]

I find this discussion of hunger on down days interesting and would like to really track it as well, but wonder.....................when you speak of hunger, is it a physiological thing, like "hunger pangs" or is it feeling weak/lack of any energy, or is it more psychological, like a craving?
One of the things I like best about Juddd is that I feel I am getting more in tune with my bodies signals, etc, but I still sometimes am not sure what real hunger is???

Tom is gone, back to siggy weight after yet another 3 up-days-in-a- row weekend. Yay.

I am thinking that until the summer is over, I may stick with mon/wed/fri down days and sat & sun medium days. I am having a really difficult time with having a down day on the weekend. At least this way, I will get in 3 dd's a week. I had hoped to get down to 150 by the end of august, but do not see that happening at this point.....and that is okay.
What I am REALLY okay with is that I have not gained anything after all the indulgences I have allowed myself. It shows how just a couple of down days a week can keep things in check. This is why I am confident this plan will work for me if I can get to goal, and then, maintenance.

[snaggle]

Agee, I look at the vft as a low weight that I actually stayed at for some time. For example, ever since I lost the initial weight with low carbing 3 years ago, I kept getting to around 163-ish and even had a couple of low spikes into the 159 range, but never stayed there. I had not been in the 150's in over 16 years, except for these one or two day fleeting weights, so that is what I called my vft.
For me, it has to be a weight I have not seen in at least 7/8 years. Mind you, I am also nearly 49 yrs old, so my time line should be bigger than someone in their 20's.

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by nitenurse

Finally got into VFT and am so grateful. It's 1# of real fat loss, for 12# in 2 months, For me, as older and less active, that is a lot. Haven't been in this area since 2006, when this regain started for me. The scale wt shows as 22# loss.
I am going to watch and see if the hungry DDs precede a wt loss, too, that should make it a lot easier to deal with. Still plodding through the book.

AWESOME!!!!!

Originally Posted by Agee

Yay! for people in VFT and people who are losing!
VFT for me is hard to calculate.
Haven't weighed below 170 in 2.5 years.
Haven't weighed below 167 in 6.
Haven't weighed below 161 in 8.
Haven't weighed below 157 in 12.
So what is my VFT?
A

Well i think its up to you... I mean 157 would be uber VFT... UVFT? LOL. You know how we like to coin acronyms on this trhead. I think anything under 170 should still count as VFT for you though!

Originally Posted by snaggle

I find this discussion of hunger on down days interesting and would like to really track it as well, but wonder.....................when you speak of hunger, is it a physiological thing, like "hunger pangs" or is it feeling weak/lack of any energy, or is it more psychological, like a craving?
One of the things I like best about Juddd is that I feel I am getting more in tune with my bodies signals, etc, but I still sometimes am not sure what real hunger is???

Tom is gone, back to siggy weight after yet another 3 up-days-in-a- row weekend. Yay.

I am thinking that until the summer is over, I may stick with mon/wed/fri down days and sat & sun medium days. I am having a really difficult time with having a down day on the weekend. At least this way, I will get in 3 dd's a week. I had hoped to get down to 150 by the end of august, but do not see that happening at this point.....and that is okay.
What I am REALLY okay with is that I have not gained anything after all the indulgences I have allowed myself. It shows how just a couple of down days a week can keep things in check. This is why I am confident this plan will work for me if I can get to goal, and then, maintenance.

I say hunger is stomach growls.

Also why not do Saturday UD an Sunday MD? Would give you 3DDs, 3UDs and 1MD per week which alot of people lose succesfully on and it would keep the radical calorie cycling going as opposed to MD MD DD (sat, sun, mon) which might be too low cals too many days in a row... just a thought...

[Ilpirata]

I guess it was more of a MD yesterday... under 1000 cals though and after my crazy weekend I'll take it. Aiming for very reasonable UD today and then AWF DD on Wednesday. 5 LBS up from siggy weight but thats still a 4LB water loss from what the scale lied to me yesterday morning.

[Leo41]

Cherlyndria-

Take Trish's advice and don't worry about how you look in the gym. The only exercise I can do (because of my arthritis) is in the pool--which means wearing a bathing suit. When I began swimming, it was mainly for health, and I was over 300 lbs. My sister was horrified, and asked, "How can you let people see you in a bathing suit?" My response was to remind her that I left my glasses in the locker room, so if anyone was snickering or rolling eyes, I wouldn't notice because I'm so nearsighted. I was being glib. I wanted and needed to exercise, and I just didn't care what anyone thought. That was over 15 years ago, and I've been swimming regularly ever since, and NO ONE has ever reacted in any negative way. Do what's best for you--and ignore anyone who doesn't agree.

Snaggle-

What I mean by 'hunger' is truly hunger--the signal that you should eat. It's not cravings; in fact, I rarely have cravings (not sure whether it's the low carb or JUDDD). My stomach doesn't actually 'growl,' but it is a very 'empty' feeling that I don't find altogether unpleasant--especially since I've convinced myself that it will mean a loss.

Kisha-

You're absolutely on the right track, and I'm so glad that you're doing this sensibly and not forcing yourself into a DD. Just let it happen. You've been doing this so long that your a JUDDD 'pro' and should be on track in no time.

[Agee]

Man, I have a little problem with leftovers!
Today is a DD and I am at 500 calories, for sure, thanks for the leftover pad thai (homemade) I ate, cold, out of the tupperware. I don't even know how many calories, exactly, but since it's homemade and I only ate about 1.5 cups (with shrimp) I am hoping I didn't go over.
Last week I got into trouble with leftover spaghetti sauce!
This will be a long night. Oh well. Lots of lemon water and Diet Rite in my future. I can do it.
A

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Kisha-

You're absolutely on the right track, and I'm so glad that you're doing this sensibly and not forcing yourself into a DD. Just let it happen. You've been doing this so long that your a JUDDD 'pro' and should be on track in no time.

Thanks Leo... I do have some anxiety around the fact that I'm pretty sure I've "deactivated" my SIRT1 gene and really do need a good solid 2 weeks of rotation to get it kicking again! I'll get there... I'm comitted to continuing with JUDD... actually past the end of the month. I feel so certain that if I give it another month of the honest college try I'll be into VFT and headed into the right direction again.


RE Exercise... i guess you already have your gym membership but I always like to recommend the YMCA for those of us who aren't the typical gym style body. There are people there of every height, weight, age, persuasion & even mental ability working out together. No judgement and its a very very comfortable place to work out and/or swim and get used to exercising in "public"

[homestretch]

**nitenurse** Congrats on VFT!!!!!

Today is a DD for me. Yesterday I had a real UD and I ate whatever I wanted. I was not stuffed but I just felt yucky and light headed. I had more carbs than I am used to and it made me appreciate LC. I do not plan on having UD's like that again but I purposely did it to see if I can get a move on the scale. When I was stuck on the scale in the past I did one super high calorie and carb day a week and I lost weight very well. However, it seems like my body has changed since hitting 40 so we will have to see if the experiment works out or I regret it.

[Leo41]

Agee-

On DDs I NEVER eat anything unless I know the exact calorie count--homemade or not. It's so easy to go too high. And the key to all this is those DDs.

Kisha-

Keep in mind that your recent 'dietary indiscretions' (my endo's term) may actually work FOR you, since they will constitute a 'change,' and you know that any change spurs loss for you. You didn't plan to go off JUDDD, but if you look at it positively, it can be a good thing as you get back on track.

I've had experiences similar to the one Homestretch mentions--a high calorie day leads to greater loss. I'm hoping that's how my 'lost weekend' will work

[Agee]

On DDs I NEVER eat anything unless I know the exact calorie count--homemade or not

Not even cold, straight out of the tupperware?
JK - I have learned my lesson. I think I stayed w/in my limit - but that's all I get for today.
A

[homestretch]

Originally Posted by Agee

Man, I have a little problem with leftovers!
Today is a DD and I am at 500 calories, for sure, thanks for the leftover pad thai (homemade) I ate, cold, out of the tupperware. I don't even know how many calories, exactly, but since it's homemade and I only ate about 1.5 cups (with shrimp) I am hoping I didn't go over.
Last week I got into trouble with leftover spaghetti sauce!
This will be a long night. Oh well. Lots of lemon water and Diet Rite in my future. I can do it.
A

I can certainly fall into that trap. I try to steer clear of leftovers because for some reason my mind tells me that a bite out of the Tupperware doesn't count even though the good side of my brain knows darn will that it does!

[Leo41]

Agee-

The key to DDs is to plan, plan, plan. I always know the day before EXACTLY what I will eat on the DD. That keeps me from 'thinking' about food on a DD (the mind can do terrible things to JUDDD:-), and insures that I have an accurate 'count' of the calories.

By the way, I often have all my calories by noon or 2 pm because I tend to be a morning eater. Once I realized that I could actually make it through the day without eating any more, it was incredibly liberating.

[homestretch]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Agee-

The key to DDs is to plan, plan, plan. I always know the day before EXACTLY what I will eat on the DD. That keeps me from 'thinking' about food on a DD (the mind can do terrible things to JUDDD:-), and insures that I have an accurate 'count' of the calories.

By the way, I often have all my calories by noon or 2 pm because I tend to be a morning eater. Once I realized that I could actually make it through the day without eating any more, it was incredibly liberating.

This is a great idea because often on a DD I am scratching my head wondering what to eat. I will have to get a plan and stick with it!

[cherlyndria77]

Thanks for all of the exercising input. I'm going to go in tomorrow morning and use the treadmills and exercise bikes for a while. I've decided that today (dd) I'm going to pamper myself a bit, give myself a facial, pedi, colour and style my hair and feel the very best that I can. So that when I walk into that gym tomorrow I'm minimising my poor self esteem. The self talk might be "my butt is so big and everyone behind me can see it! But my hair looks awesome" haha

[Leo41]

That's a really good idea, Cherlyndria, even if you weren't going to the gym. Pampering oneself on a DD is a good idea because it takes the focus away from food and makes us feel good. We should all think about this.

On one DD when I was particularly hungry, I took a leisurely shower earlier than usual, washed my hair, and gave myself a facial. It really helped me relax and go to bed without a thought of food. I need to do that more often

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by Agee

Hola!
Back from my beach trip and I ate like a pig...ready to get going on this thing for real!
(Before the beach tried this out - made it through 2 DD just fine).
I am not interested in weighing myself at all. I am very afraid what I'll see. I think I'll wait until I have 2 more DD's under my belt, so to speak.
Excited to clear out my system tomorrow by eating lightly!
Quick question - why do some of you try to undereat on DDs? My calorie limit is 500 - but so many of you seem to be going for 200 or so - is this advantageous? Why not just eat nothing? Would there be any point to that?
A

Hi, Agee!

Dr. J says that a water fast is actually the ideal for DDs, but since most people can't do that, he gives both 20% levels and 30% levels (which he feels are more sustainable for most people based on his studies).

In other words - 'undereating' on DDs IS the ideal, while eating the calorie limit is the allowable compromise.

Many of us have found that it's easier to tame the hunger monster if we simply don't think about food. For someone like myself, eating less than my allowable DDs means I truly don't have to sweat UDs because I can eat those extra 400 calories or so without it affecting my total daily average of calories (the amount of calories per day it averages to).

Think of your DD limit as just that - a limit. You're free to eat less but not more. :-)

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by hotmama_007

Hi Everyone,

It’s totally apparent to me now what an emotional eater I am. I have obvious associations with food for relaxation, entertainment, coping with any feelings (ok, this isn’t news to me). I’ve been looking for a book on how to manage compulsive eating and looking online at different sites but would love a recommendation from anyone here if they have any.

Saving my calories for the evening has worked on weekends but I find that on weekdays I don’t function as well mentally if I don’t fuel up. My job requires me to hold lots of meetings and I find myself stumbling over thoughts and words if I don’t have anything to eat. Has anyone dealt with this or figured out a way to deal with this?

Also, I am definitely a night time eater – so it’s almost impossible for me to go without “dinner” or something at night. Has anyone been able to overcome the large dinner habit?

Boy – sounds like I need lots of help…LOL. Hope everyone is having a great weekend.

Here's my thoughts:

1) Sticking to your DDs is like therapy - not being able to eat will force you to deal with those issues. You will find yourself working through them. Many of us have. Just make a pact to stick with the DD, on the DD, even when freaking out. Tell yourself "I can emotionally eat all I want tomorrow" and then let yoruself go to that place you're afraid to go. Ask yourself what's really wrong, and then take the time to listen to the answer. :-)

2) I deal with the blood sugar thing on DDs too - my hints...

a) Save your calories for right before the meeting. I do this all the time. My total DD calories are 400. I usually have one meeting a day, so I eat an apple or something like that, which is about 70 calories. It doesn't destroy my DD, it raises my blood sugar, and it helps me function. Always choose high fiber, high water, low calorie. Set a total caloric limit of 1/3 over the course of the day, so you can save 2/3 of yoru calories for your dinner (more on that in a minute)

b) learn your energy cycle and plan your meetings to avoid slumps, if your have control of scheduling.

3) Your night time eating habits are just that - habits. At first I struggled with this, but I found over time it gets better. In the meantime

a) Save 2/3 of your total daily calories for dinner. TO fill up before the main shebang, first drink a big glass of water (right before you leave work). THen while you're cooking dinner, start sipping hot tea, coffee, boullion, or broth. Keep sipping while you cook! By the time dinner comes, this will have helped stave hunger. THEN for a first course, eat a big plate of lettuce salad or drink a SF metamucil 'smoothie" made with 1 Tbsp metamucil, ice, and water. This will help fill you for about 20 calories. Then eat a normal dinner - just make the portions small enough that you come in under the limit. Then immediately end dinner with another hot drink. This will definitely help!

b) Foods that have nearly no calories and will fill you: metamucil smoothies, shiritaki noodles, lettuce, low carb green veggies like asparagus, green onions, miso soup, egg drop soup. Use all or any of these as fillers along with whatever you're already making.

c) This is a tweak, but I've found it works. Count your calories on the calculator like normal, then add extra work outs on DDs and allow yourself to eat that many extra calories. This will allow you to eat more, while yielding a net calorie limit that's the same. I only count this on "extra" workouts that I do on DDs above and beyond my normal routine. I only allow myself to eat the calories AFTER I did the extra workout - no cheating in hopes of working it off later! life gets in the way too often for 'good intentions' -

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by Agee

DD#1 almost done. Boiled eggs are my lifesaver!
So - here are some questions I want answered from those of you who've been doing this a while. And by 'a while' I mean 1 month or more.
How long have you been doing this?
Wow much did you weigh when you started?
How much have you lost?
I find this kind of information VERY motivational!
A
p.s. I weighed myself this a.m. after my beach debauchery...not pretty! But I'm already down 1.8 lbs halfway through the day so it was obviously water weight brought on by too many cocktails and chili cheese fries. I'm so glad I have a good WOE to follow that'll help me bounce back!

I've been doing this for 7 months and 18 days.

I weighed 184 when I started (although I don't think I was admitting it)

I am now 168, so that's 16 pounds, not counting any muscle I may have put on that might be actually adding a little weight.

I love JUDDD and can say with assurance that I will never change WOEs again.

[mistydisa]

After turning this DD into a major comfort-food UD, I'm seriously considering an AWF tomorrow.... But I'm skeered, lol. My DD calorie limit is 500, and I usually consume all 500... Not sure if I can go without eating....

Congrats to all you "losers" and maintainers, and especially you VFTers!

[EmandM]

Originally Posted by mammapo

Here's my thoughts:

1) Sticking to your DDs is like therapy - not being able to eat will force you to deal with those issues. You will find yourself working through them. Many of us have. Just make a pact to stick with the DD, on the DD, even when freaking out. Tell yourself "I can emotionally eat all I want tomorrow" and then let yoruself go to that place you're afraid to go. Ask yourself what's really wrong, and then take the time to listen to the answer. :-)

2) I deal with the blood sugar thing on DDs too - my hints...

a) Save your calories for right before the meeting. I do this all the time. My total DD calories are 400. I usually have one meeting a day, so I eat an apple or something like that, which is about 70 calories. It doesn't destroy my DD, it raises my blood sugar, and it helps me function. Always choose high fiber, high water, low calorie. Set a total caloric limit of 1/3 over the course of the day, so you can save 2/3 of yoru calories for your dinner (more on that in a minute)

b) learn your energy cycle and plan your meetings to avoid slumps, if your have control of scheduling.

3) Your night time eating habits are just that - habits. At first I struggled with this, but I found over time it gets better. In the meantime

a) Save 2/3 of your total daily calories for dinner. TO fill up before the main shebang, first drink a big glass of water (right before you leave work). THen while you're cooking dinner, start sipping hot tea, coffee, boullion, or broth. Keep sipping while you cook! By the time dinner comes, this will have helped stave hunger. THEN for a first course, eat a big plate of lettuce salad or drink a SF metamucil 'smoothie" made with 1 Tbsp metamucil, ice, and water. This will help fill you for about 20 calories. Then eat a normal dinner - just make the portions small enough that you come in under the limit. Then immediately end dinner with another hot drink. This will definitely help!

b) Foods that have nearly no calories and will fill you: metamucil smoothies, shiritaki noodles, lettuce, low carb green veggies like asparagus, green onions, miso soup, egg drop soup. Use all or any of these as fillers along with whatever you're already making.

c) This is a tweak, but I've found it works. Count your calories on the calculator like normal, then add extra work outs on DDs and allow yourself to eat that many extra calories. This will allow you to eat more, while yielding a net calorie limit that's the same. I only count this on "extra" workouts that I do on DDs above and beyond my normal routine. I only allow myself to eat the calories AFTER I did the extra workout - no cheating in hopes of working it off later! life gets in the way too often for 'good intentions' -

As always your advice is GOLD! I copied this and pasted it into my online journal (motivation, tips, progress etc). THANK YOU!

[Trishagrrl]

Hey everyone,

I've pulled off my DD coming in right at 500 calories, but it sure wasn't fun!

I made it to my doctor appointment and I think I'm a bit disenchanted with yet another doc. He went over my blood work. B vitamins were normal, Vitamin D was a bit low so he suggested a supplement, and my adrenals were borderline so he also suggested a supplement for that. My FT4 came in at .8 (.7-2.0). I asked if we ought to run my FT4 and FT3 again since he upped my meds slightly last time and I'm still not feeling well, but he said no. He also thought my thyroid meds were fine where they are and thinks i just need the vit d and adrenal supplements. He said to come back in a year unless after a few months I'm not feeling better. I was excited to be seeing a doc affiliated with the broda barnes foundation, but I don't feel like this guy is really on top of things.

I do have a lead on another doc that is an hour and a half away. I don't know whether I should give his regiment a couple months or just go see someone else.

The low adrenals and/or low vit d wouldn't be causing this extended stall would it?

[Trishagrrl]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

RE Exercise... i guess you already have your gym membership but I always like to recommend the YMCA for those of us who aren't the typical gym style body. There are people there of every height, weight, age, persuasion & even mental ability working out together. No judgement and its a very very comfortable place to work out and/or swim and get used to exercising in "public"

I haven't found this to be true at our YMCA. I used to go there but now go to our powerhouse gym that opened up. I see a bigger variety of shapes, sizes, and ages at the powerhouse than i ever did at the Y. And the powerhouse has such a nice open layout you don't have to feel like when you are going to go lift weights you are going into the man lair. I'm sure it's different everywhere though!

[hotmama_007]

Originally Posted by mammapo

Here's my thoughts:

1) Sticking to your DDs is like therapy - not being able to eat will force you to deal with those issues. You will find yourself working through them. Many of us have. Just make a pact to stick with the DD, on the DD, even when freaking out. Tell yourself "I can emotionally eat all I want tomorrow" and then let yoruself go to that place you're afraid to go. Ask yourself what's really wrong, and then take the time to listen to the answer. :-)

2) I deal with the blood sugar thing on DDs too - my hints...

a) Save your calories for right before the meeting. I do this all the time. My total DD calories are 400. I usually have one meeting a day, so I eat an apple or something like that, which is about 70 calories. It doesn't destroy my DD, it raises my blood sugar, and it helps me function. Always choose high fiber, high water, low calorie. Set a total caloric limit of 1/3 over the course of the day, so you can save 2/3 of yoru calories for your dinner (more on that in a minute)

b) learn your energy cycle and plan your meetings to avoid slumps, if your have control of scheduling.

3) Your night time eating habits are just that - habits. At first I struggled with this, but I found over time it gets better. In the meantime

a) Save 2/3 of your total daily calories for dinner. TO fill up before the main shebang, first drink a big glass of water (right before you leave work). THen while you're cooking dinner, start sipping hot tea, coffee, boullion, or broth. Keep sipping while you cook! By the time dinner comes, this will have helped stave hunger. THEN for a first course, eat a big plate of lettuce salad or drink a SF metamucil 'smoothie" made with 1 Tbsp metamucil, ice, and water. This will help fill you for about 20 calories. Then eat a normal dinner - just make the portions small enough that you come in under the limit. Then immediately end dinner with another hot drink. This will definitely help!

b) Foods that have nearly no calories and will fill you: metamucil smoothies, shiritaki noodles, lettuce, low carb green veggies like asparagus, green onions, miso soup, egg drop soup. Use all or any of these as fillers along with whatever you're already making.

c) This is a tweak, but I've found it works. Count your calories on the calculator like normal, then add extra work outs on DDs and allow yourself to eat that many extra calories. This will allow you to eat more, while yielding a net calorie limit that's the same. I only count this on "extra" workouts that I do on DDs above and beyond my normal routine. I only allow myself to eat the calories AFTER I did the extra workout - no cheating in hopes of working it off later! life gets in the way too often for 'good intentions' -

Such great advice - thank you for taking the time to write that all down. I am saving this info as well. I've increased my DD to about 550-600 calories because I really seem to concentrate too much on food and worry about not getting enough brain-fuel. Unfortunately I have anywhere between 3-6 meetings a day - ridiculous right? Some of it is definitely psychological. Today (a DD for me) I got a big salad of mostly greens and little cheese and a couple of tbsp of tuna salad at a salad bar by my office and sat down to eat it. I got as far as the tuna salad before I got called away for something and when I came back, I realized I didn't really need the rest of the salad. A couple of spoons of tuna was enough to keep me going. So I am going to try to slowly decrease what I'm eating on DD by having the food with me, but eating a little bit at a time,

Sounds like everyone is doing a great job Juddding today. yey! :-)

[Leo41]

Mistydisa-

I wouldn't advise going from a failed DD directly into an attempt at AWF. I was doing JUDDD 7 months before I did an AWF, and it happened naturally--i.e., I just wasn't at all hungry. If you push this plan too hard, you can get really frustrated. Why not simply a regular DD?

Trish-

I'm sure you know where I am on this issue--see another doc! Your T4 is still low, and where's the T3--did he check it? And his dismissal of you for a YEAR would be another red flag for me. My first endo checked me every 6 months because she began my meds and wanted to keep track. My current guy checks every 4 months, mainly because I've had changes to meds--i.e., haven't really been stable over any significant period of time. A new guy like this should want to see you sooner than a year!

Hotmama-

How long have you been doing JUDDD? I ask because your 550-600 cal DDs won't work for initiating the SIRT1 gene that Dr. J says is the key to JUDDD (I'm not sure about this myself, but that's his claim). And 500 cal is just a few less, so certainly that should be manageable.

Also, use your own food on DDs. I never eat anything on a DD unless I know the exact calorie count because it's so very easy to go over--especially with purchased food like 'tuna salad.' The key to JUDDD is the DDs, and if you find them too difficult, perhaps this plan won't work for you.
(I'm not trying to deter you; it's just that this is really a radical plan, and if I could lose on standard low carb, I wouldn't be doing this myself.)

[mistydisa]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Mistydisa-

I wouldn't advise going from a failed DD directly into an attempt at AWF. I was doing JUDDD 7 months before I did an AWF, and it happened naturally--i.e., I just wasn't at all hungry. If you push this plan too hard, you can get really frustrated. Why not simply a regular DD?

Good point, Leo. You sure are a tell-it-like-it-is kind of person, aren't you?! I find that refreshing! Okay, regular DD it is today!

[Dovelette]

Originally Posted by mammapo

c) This is a tweak, but I've found it works. Count your calories on the calculator like normal, then add extra work outs on DDs and allow yourself to eat that many extra calories. This will allow you to eat more, while yielding a net calorie limit that's the same. I only count this on "extra" workouts that I do on DDs above and beyond my normal routine. I only allow myself to eat the calories AFTER I did the extra workout - no cheating in hopes of working it off later! life gets in the way too often for 'good intentions' -

The only caveat I would add to this is that you can ONLY do this if you have set your lifestyle as "sedentary." If you already have your activity level set higher than that, your daily calorie allowance is already taking into account the calories you burn due to your workouts. For example, if my daily calorie allowance on UDs is 2000 when I set it to no activity level, and it's 2400 when I set it to moderate activity...I can't then set it to moderate, workout and burn 400 calories, and then say I can eat 2800 calories that day. That's the whole double dipping thing we talked about before. Both your DD and UD calculations are already based on the activity level you entered. So be sure you aren't counting those twice.

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by Dovelette

The only caveat I would add to this is that you can ONLY do this if you have set your lifestyle as "sedentary." If you already have your activity level set higher than that, your daily calorie allowance is already taking into account the calories you burn due to your workouts. For example, if my daily calorie allowance on UDs is 2000 when I set it to no activity level, and it's 2400 when I set it to moderate activity...I can't then set it to moderate, workout and burn 400 calories, and then say I can eat 2800 calories that day. That's the whole double dipping thing we talked about before. Both your DD and UD calculations are already based on the activity level you entered. So be sure you aren't counting those twice.

Yes, I agree with this, with one clarification: this will work as long as the workout you are doing is an extra workout. You don't have to set it to sedentary... just to the accurate level AND you can't count those regular workouts towards a 'double-dip' - what I mean by this in practical terms...

I walk/run 3 days a week, so my level is set at the Light level:
UD = 2000
DD= 400

So that's my normal level.

Now, if I feel that I want more to eat, I simply do an extra workout ABOVE AND BEYOND my normal workout, and then eat only that amount of calories as bonus.


Before, when I wasn't consistently working out, I set it to sedentary, and did exactly as you suggested. But once it became apparent that this was going to be my normal routine, I changed my level to reflect it. THis forces me to continue to work out more in order to get the 'bonus' calories, while rewarding me for working out regularly by allowing me higher overall calories.

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

Good point, Leo. You sure are a tell-it-like-it-is kind of person, aren't you?! I find that refreshing! Okay, regular DD it is today!

remember, slow and steady wins the race - this WOE is all about cumulative effects. Your metabolism will speed up in time, and you will lose weight consistently. Being 'extra strict' or pushing too hard, isn't going to help you stick with this long enough to see the cumulative effects. You'll burn out and fall off the wagon.

Be the tortoise, not the hare.

Remember the hare started faster, but the tortoise won.

[Leo41]

DD today, and I've had about 150 cal so far, and will probably end at 250--I hope. I've been much more thirsty today than hungry and been drinking my green tea iced.

I wanted to share info about this morning's 'breakfast.' As I've posted before, my DD staple is a eggwhite 'omelet' for 65 cal. I had been adding some chopped spinach for another 20 cal, but for the second time today, I added some cooked broccoli flowerets instead. What a difference! Perhaps it's the bulk of the broccoli, but I feel like I'm eating a rich quiche rather than a small omelet. Definitely broccoli from now on because this is a very satisfying "meal" for under 100 cal.