August's Uber-Hot JUDDDDers!

[Ilpirata]

Okay I'm back. It seems like I've posted that alot lately! I had a couple of carb fest UDs this weekend but I am back on rotation as of today no matter what. I'll be doing M, W, Fri DD this week. I don't know why but I feel totally different and comitted this week. I've been wavering alot lately and woke up this morning with my resolve back!

[mistydisa]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

[B]
How long have you been on plan again? It can take three weeks for SIRT1 to be activated and quite a few of us experienced very slow weight loss in the first few weeks that accelerated greatly after week two or three.

It's only been 2 weeks for me, so I'm so glad to hear that it may just be taking a while! I lost 4.2 lbs. the first week and was under the impression that most people lose a lot the first 2 weeks, so I was stoked to weigh today. I'll stick with it!

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

It's only been 2 weeks for me, so I'm so glad to hear that it may just be taking a while! I lost 4.2 lbs. the first week and was under the impression that most people lose a lot the first 2 weeks, so I was stoked to weigh today. I'll stick with it!

Yeah give it another week!

[giJ]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

giJ---Dr. Johnson says something about how it takes as little as 40 hours of restricted calories to send your body into "starvation mode" where it starts hoarding energy instead of burning it....

Thanks Misty! I knew someone would come in and save me

[giJ]

Originally Posted by Leo41

My sister and niece visited for the weekend to celebrate my 68th birthday,

Happy Birthday! Sounds like you had a great weekend and are ready to get over the sugar coma. That's how I was feeling last week. Isn't it great!

Originally Posted by mistydisa

Well, Weigh In Day not going so well.... I've somehow GAINED 0.6 lbs., and I've had 4 DDs this week, every single one of them below 500 calories. I don't understand.... I'm so disheartened, I could cry. Oh, who am I kidding?? I AM crying....

In addition to what other said about 2-3 weeks .... where are you, hormonally? That can do it, too.

Originally Posted by homestretch

I need input puuuuleeeease

Okay, per my above post I am not doing JUDDD the way I should be but today is the start of a new week. My kids are back in school and I am ready.

Here is my question: Friday I averaged 700 calories, Sat. 1200 and yesterday 900. Should I make today an UD or a DD? Since I was off plan I do not know what to do. Part of me says do an UD to avoid slowing my metabolism and the other part of me says to stick to my MWF DD's. Any thoughts?

My UDs tend to look like yours, though my DD are a bit lower. I would say take today and eat what you want. Don't track. Enjoy, eat to satisfaction, etc. Then make tomorrow a DD.

At least, that's what I'm going to do today. Maybe I should tell you to do the opposite so we can compare

[snaggle]

mistydisa- This is not a plan, like Atkins for example, where most folks drop big in the first couple of weeks. It is slow and steady. The great thing, I have found, is that it is forgiving when you have off plan periods. I have also not hit any bad stalls and it seems like the people around here who are really having stall issues generally have serious metabolic stuff like hypothyroid going on.

I am going to try and pull off a full week of eating on plan this week. I have had so much going on lately, and the weekends have not been good. I have not kept to plan for more than 4 days in a row in almost a month. I will weigh in tomorrow and see the damage, but as of last week, I was only up a couple of pounds from my siggy low. Summer is always hard for me and typically, I go hard core in the first part of the fall. I really wanted to hit my goal of 140 by the end of october, but it may take longer at this point.


I am very curious to see further studies on the whole sirt1 gene because I really am starting to think that it may be at the heart of this plan's success. At the beginning, I was skeptical and felt that it really was just a result of lower overall calorie intake, but now I know there is more to it than that. It may be the sirt thing, but it also may be a metabolism-charging from the alternation effect.
What do you all think?

[mistydisa]

Originally Posted by giJ

In addition to what other said about 2-3 weeks .... where are you, hormonally? That can do it, too.

I'm a good 11 days pre-TOM....

[homestretch]

giJ** I am going to have an UD today and then a very low cal DD tomorrow. I am quite hungry today so it will work well for me.

snaggle**I think there may be something to the sirt1 gene. If you watch people who are natural eaters and not chronic dieters they tend to eat a lot when they are hungry and then not worry about food again for a long time. I am really beginning to believe that the force feeding we are being taught of eating 5-6 mini meals a day is about as harmful as the food pyramid. I say that simply on the basis that a person who has trouble containing their food intake probably does not need more exposure to food but less. This WOE has taught me a lot about actual hunger and not eating when I am not hungry.

[mistydisa]

Originally Posted by snaggle

mistydisa- This is not a plan, like Atkins for example, where most folks drop big in the first couple of weeks. It is slow and steady. The great thing, I have found, is that it is forgiving when you have off plan periods. I have also not hit any bad stalls and it seems like the people around here who are really having stall issues generally have serious metabolic stuff like hypothyroid going on.

I guess that's where I was misunderstanding. I tried Atkins a few years ago and dropped 8 lbs the first week.... I guess I was expecting similar results with JUDDDD. I just need to be patient.

[homestretch]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

I'm a good 11 days pre-TOM....

Do you have the book? I am ordering it today because I feel like there is a lot I do not know or understand from just reading the website. I am hoping it gives me some motivation and answers....fingers crossed.

[homestretch]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Okay I'm back. It seems like I've posted that alot lately! I had a couple of carb fest UDs this weekend but I am back on rotation as of today no matter what. I'll be doing M, W, Fri DD this week. I don't know why but I feel totally different and comitted this week. I've been wavering alot lately and woke up this morning with my resolve back!

I kind of feel that way today too. I feel like the time is right to do this by the book and not let anything get in my way. We can do this!

[mistydisa]

Originally Posted by homestretch

Do you have the book? I am ordering it today because I feel like there is a lot I do not know or understand from just reading the website. I am hoping it gives me some motivation and answers....fingers crossed.

I do have the book. I read the parts about how to do the diet and just skimmed the science stuff, although I want to go back and learn about the SIRT gene thing.

I'm still confused as to whether or not I'm supposed to count calories on UDs?

[snaggle]

homestretch, the book is okay but don't expect too much more information than you can get from the website, or even better, from these threads. A lot of the book is old school (ie: lowfat, blah blah blah) dieting 101, and not really anything you probably have not heard a million times before. I really was wanting more thorough research on the effects of the alternation and the sirt1 gene, but our little group will have to serve as the research project that I look to for guidance.

I was so happy to see emandm back here, still maintaining on this plan. Nothing inspires me more than seeing the success stories of members around here!

[EmandM]

Originally Posted by snaggle

I was so happy to see emandm back here, still maintaining on this plan. Nothing inspires me more than seeing the success stories of members around here!

Thanks! I now feel silly for worrying about posting about maintenance while people were losing. I can now see that it's helpful!

Homestretch - I was going to recommend you do an UD today but you are doing that already! lol

I have always found this plan to be very forgiving. I would often have 3 UD's in a row and then after 1-2 DD's I would be back on track. I did however find it harder to do a DD when I had had a few UD's in a row.

[Leo41]

mistydisa-

If you lost 4.5 lbs the first week, I would not worry about this week. Your body needs to adapt to change, and it takes about 3 weeks for the full effects of JUDDD anyway. As others have pointed out, this is NOT Atkins where people can experience a big loss during the initial period. Personally, I lost very slowly when I began JUDDD eight months ago.

As to counting on UDs, that is entirely up to you. I am doing JUDDD because I need to seriously restrict calories, and this plan makes that possible. Hence, I DO count on UDs, although I also eat to satisfaction. The idea is not to deprive yourself on UDs so that you don't experience "diet fatigue." Many folks here don't count on UDs. Do you know that you're NOT expected to eat to the calculator number on UDs? That's given as a limit rather than recommendation. You might try eating to satisfaction on UDs AND counting to see what that number is. Then if you're still not losing, you can try to lower that number.

Kisha-

I think we're "beginning anew" together today after my "lost weekend" of carbs and calories. So far, I'm just doing WF and have no desire for food, which is probably an indication of how much I've got left from the weekend Ironically, it actually feels good to be having a really low DD; my body wants it [and is probably annoyed with me for stuffing it for the past two days, but that's what it gets for being so resistant to losing weight]

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Kisha-

I think we're "beginning anew" together today after my "lost weekend" of carbs and calories. So far, I'm just doing WF and have no desire for food, which is probably an indication of how much I've got left from the weekend Ironically, it actually feels good to be having a really low DD; my body wants it [and is probably annoyed with me for stuffing it for the past two days, but that's what it gets for being so resistant to losing weight]

yeah I'm totally ready! Feels good so far.

[Monkee]

Thanks for the snack suggestions everyone.
I found some small celery/pb packs and also grabbed some nuts, beef jerky, string cheese and a few bars. The bars seem junky, but I guess it'll have to do for now. Might try making my own again. Will look for individual fage when I do a Trader Joe's run. I think that would work if I eat it early in the day.

Does anyone drink canned shakes?
What are some of your favorite brands/flavors?


Leo - Does Dr.J say why IF is not good for diabetics? Is it just from the possible hypo reaction or are there other reasons? I am interested in this, since once in a while I have days where I (unintentionally) do not eat all day. This usually lasts about a week. I've never had a hypo reaction to it. My numbers just stay leveled. I do make sure to lower my meds, continue to test my BG, and stay extra hydrated during those days, though.

[homestretch]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

I do have the book. I read the parts about how to do the diet and just skimmed the science stuff, although I want to go back and learn about the SIRT gene thing.

I'm still confused as to whether or not I'm supposed to count calories on UDs?

Not really sure. I know the website does give a calorie limit for UD's but then it says eat to satisfaction??? I will probably count mine after today. Today I am trying to have a really UP UD to see if it will make my body snap into weight loss. If I count I will want to control....ughhh. Not sure if I am going to spend the money on the book after what others have said. My just continue to go by the website and everyone here.

[homestretch]

Originally Posted by snaggle

homestretch, the book is okay but don't expect too much more information than you can get from the website, or even better, from these threads. A lot of the book is old school (ie: lowfat, blah blah blah) dieting 101, and not really anything you probably have not heard a million times before. I really was wanting more thorough research on the effects of the alternation and the sirt1 gene, but our little group will have to serve as the research project that I look to for guidance.

I was so happy to see emandm back here, still maintaining on this plan. Nothing inspires me more than seeing the success stories of members around here!

Thanks for the tip. I will just save my money. I was afraid that I was missing some valuable info but it sounds like I am not.

[Leo41]

Nurse Monkee-

Since you don't have problems with not eating, you should be just fine if you fast. In his book, Dr. J mentions that this is bad for 'some' type 2s, but I could not follow his explanation. I think it's basically if you find that you have blood glucose problems. My sister is a type2 and just began JUDDD a couple of weeks ago. She needs to eat regularly or she gets hypo, but she found that she's just fine on JUDDD by drinking two shakes during her workday. She'll probably continue with the shakes simply because she's very busy at work and finds them most convenient and satisfying.

You seem to have a good plan for your needs.

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

Well, Weigh In Day not going so well.... I've somehow GAINED 0.6 lbs., and I've had 4 DDs this week, every single one of them below 500 calories. I don't understand.... I'm so disheartened, I could cry. Oh, who am I kidding?? I AM crying....

[cherlyndria77]

End of week 2 weigh in...and I've lost 2 lbs!
I've been really slack with the UD's but very faithful to my DD's. I haven't been exercising this week, even though I've joined the gym. The enormity of actually walking into that place is freaking me right out. I feel too ashamed to show up in my lumpy exercise gear to a place full of Adonis's. Everyone there is fit! Do you have to be fit already to go there???

[cherlyndria77]

Originally Posted by NurseMonkee

Does anyone drink canned shakes?
What are some of your favorite brands/flavors?

There will of course by differences here, coz I'm in Australia. But I've been using Biggest Loser shakes, love the double choc, vanilla, banana and berry - hate the latte & choc mint, but at 208 cals per serve they are really killing my DD snacks. I also tried Mutashi slm at 168 cals, and it was soooo foul! I've ordered ladybird whey from the internet as I've heard good things, but I'll need to wait and see. I want to be able to have a couple of inbetween shake snacks on a dd, just the shakes on their own is a rather brutal existance!

[nitenurse]

I've been using shakes from Netrition-right now am using Optimum Nutrition, was using GBX before that, minimal carbs and super convenience.
I read in the JUDDD book to be sure and weigh morning After DDs, not on the morning after up days, and it makes sense, because I can get a 2 lb wander on the scale, or more.
I have been on JUDDDD since June 15, lost 21 lbs in the first month, been bouncing a little since then. That's scale weight, and lots of water retention in there.
Probably more accurate, I have lost 11 lbs in pure fat, and 1% of my total fat %, I have a machine that measures body fat, and though I suppose fat cells can retain water, too,I don't think that happens as much as in the lean body mass. The fat pounds seem to be going down more regularly, like a pound a week. That is the measurement that I look to when I start getting discouraged because for me, it is a more accurate measurement of what is really going on.
Guess what I am trying to say is that the scale can lie to us.
Also, though I liked the book for all the research there, he advocates a "healthy diet" with grains and some things I can't use, and low fat, and poo poos Atkins-he either really believes it or he is kissing up to the Medical Establishment, I would bet on the latter. But for the people that can eat that way on UDs, higher carb, I can't, I'm sure that is fine. He does recommend lower carbs and higher protein when first getting on the program for DDs.

[giJ]

Originally Posted by mistydisa

I'm still confused as to whether or not I'm supposed to count calories on UDs?

Some people do, some people don't. So really? Just do what you're more comfortable with.

I count because when I don't, I don't eat consciously. I am not as particular about getting the "right" of something, but I still track it all. (For example, on a DD, I wouldn't eat anything I didn't know the calorie count of, for the weight and brand I'm eating; tonight, on the other hand, I'm going to have a chicken chimichanga for dinner. I'll choose one from Daily Plate and move on; it doesn't matter if it's the 350 calorie or the 750 calorie on, as long as I log SOMETHING.) If that makes any sense

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by cherlyndria77

End of week 2 weigh in...and I've lost 2 lbs!
I've been really slack with the UD's but very faithful to my DD's. I haven't been exercising this week, even though I've joined the gym. The enormity of actually walking into that place is freaking me right out. I feel too ashamed to show up in my lumpy exercise gear to a place full of Adonis's. Everyone there is fit! Do you have to be fit already to go there???

Dr J says in his book that the DDs are the key. Be vigilant with those and you should lose!

[Leo41]

Perhaps hungry is better?

Yesterday I had my lowest DD ever--0 calories (black coffee/green tea), but I wasn't hungry at all. I am sure it's because my body is still stuffed with calories from my TWO uber-UDs over the weekend.

Recently, I have been hungry on DDs, and that usually results in loss. I suspect that it's because the hunger is a sign that my body is warning me that it's about to tap into my fat stores because it needs fuel.

My point is that if I'm not hungry on DDs, it probably means that I'm eating too much on UDs, thus keeping my body fully fueled and not needing any of my excess body fat.

I hope I'm hungry tomorrow

[Trishagrrl]

Happy Tuesday everyone!

My plan for this week didn't work out. Yesterday ended up being an UD. I had forgotten that I had my brothers birthday party and I was feeling sorry for myself that I haven't lost weight in so long so I just decided to eat at the party. I'm back on top of my game today though! I'm determined to have a great DD and I'm going to see the doctor in a little bit and am hoping for a med increase!

Leo: You might just be right. Once I start losing again (because I have to believe that I will) I'm going to start paying attention to how hungry I feel and what the scale does after that! Maybe I'll even keep track of it and rate it in a notebook. I'm always up for little experiments

Cherlyndria: Believe me, I know going to the gym can be terribly intimidating!!! I started going to the gym about a year after I had my first son and I was convinced that I was the fattest girl there and felt so out of place in my baggy sweatpants and t-shirt. You just have to bite the bullet and decide not to care what other people think. I'll bet a lot of people will look at you and acknowledge that you are taking charge of your health and that's a good thing! It was especially hard for me to transition to using free weights because you see all the muscle guys clustering there and I felt out of place and clumsy. Something that helped me with that was to hire a trainer to work with me for a few sessions. Even though I had read a lot about using weights and knew what to do with them, to have someone reinforce that and make sure my form was good was very reassuring. I also just think that having someone by my side when I entered new territory was nice too. Now, you see me spending most of my time lifting weights (in the section of the gym with the free weights of course) and I'm probably the biggest girl doing what I do in that area, but I don't care. I like that I'm strong, that I'm doing something good for my health, and that I can feel a lot of my muscles (albeit they are still hidden under too big of a layer of fat). So, I encourage you to take the plunge because I don't think you'll regret it! Sorry if this was more input than what you were looking for!

[NoSugarShell]

Hey guys!!

I am still here, but hopefully under control now..... I was literally up yesterday morning 9 lbs from my siggy weight. I had a great DD yesterday and almost made it a water fast, but right before bed I was so hungry I ate some almonds. I lost 6 lbs of water weight from 1 good DD. That is AMAZING!! Anyway, I am still 3 lbs above siggy and going to work hard to get back to it, so I can continue in the right direction. It really felt great yesterday to have such a good DD. Today is all planned out for a wonderful UD.

Happy JUDDDing everyone!

[nitenurse]

Finally got into VFT and am so grateful. It's 1# of real fat loss, for 12# in 2 months, For me, as older and less active, that is a lot. Haven't been in this area since 2006, when this regain started for me. The scale wt shows as 22# loss.
I am going to watch and see if the hungry DDs precede a wt loss, too, that should make it a lot easier to deal with. Still plodding through the book.