July JUDDDD / Alternate Day Diet 2009 - Page 31

Dovelette · 07-30-2009, 07:27 AM

I like magnesium as well, I've been slacking on it and have noticed VERY painful BMs...ow! Gotta take 3-4 a day to keep me going. Ugh.

Ilpirata · 07-30-2009, 09:08 AM

Morning Everyone!
Congrats to all our losers! (and maintainers LOL) LEISA! YAY!!! 139. I think we've ALL been waiting for that on your scale... though you've been the one doing the work LOL.

I had a great DD yesterday did AWF which for me means coffee w/whole milk and/or coffe w/half and half and also liquid sucralose. I was 189 which is where I've been "resting" before I went to bed. Didn't weigh this morning because I woke up at five am and at 2 ostrim sticks and a string cheese before I remembered I was supposed to weigh LOL. sooooo.... at least I'm maintaining and if my body is willing to cooperate AT ALL I could register a loss by Saturday this week (after my third DD of the week),

RE SHAKES: The good thing about them is there is absolutely no way to mess up on the calorie/carb/macro counting because a serving is a serving and the label is the label. I think it also provides some of the benefits of a fasting DD meaning the benefits of freedom from planning or worrying about what to eat. It IS A FREEING feeling.

RE FASTING DD: FASTING is ABSOLUTELY NOT necessary for the JUDD plan. It is a tweak that some of us have implemented. In his book Dr. J does say that complete fasting on alternate days would provide the most health benefits - HOWEVER with the caveat that complete fasting on alternate days is just not possible for most people in the long term. Thats why he developed the DDs that start at 20% of UD cals for weight loss. If occasional or recurrent fasting (alternate days only) works for some of us... great (sometimes it works for me LOL). We should though be focusing on what is MAINTAINABLE for us as a long term WOE/Lifestyle and thats why eating on DD way be prefereable. Its preferable for its sustainability. This is also why as we near goal we should be increasing our DD cals as described by Dr. J to work towards our maintenence DD cal level which will probably be around 50%.

MUSINGS: I have been thinking about my grandma lately who maintained a weight of 113 for almost all of her adult life. She weighed herself every single morning and if she went up over two pound (so 115) she would not eat breakfast or lunch that day. Just dinner. Like I said she used this method to stay 113 until she was quite elderly... at which point she began shrinking and LOSING weight (she's an adorable 90 pound 96 year old now). I think she was actually pretty much following maintenence JUDD without knowing it!

Leo41 · 07-30-2009, 09:39 AM

That's a cool story about your grandmother, Kisha. Talk about self-discipline! But she had the absolute right idea. If she'd written a diet book, she could be rich now:-)

I haven't heard from my endo (which is uncharacteristic of him), so I called the office today to make sure that he's not on vacation. I was told that he's not in today, but he's working (not on vacation), but 'swamped.' I may try to give him a call tomorrow.

I was looking over my 'old' blood tests, and in the one he did in January (about a month after I started JUDDD), my T3 was way up (183 out of 195), but in June, it was down to 97. I wonder whether it's the low carbs OR the low calories (or both) that's bringing it down? I don't mind adding some carbs, but there's no way I can add calories and lose, which is why I want more T3. It's sort of a catch-22; if I lower my calories, I lose, but that then lowers my T3, and I stall! I must get this fixed--somehow.

Ilpirata · 07-30-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo41

That's a cool story about your grandmother, Kisha. Talk about self-discipline! But she had the absolute right idea. If she'd written a diet book, she could be rich now:-)

I haven't heard from my endo (which is uncharacteristic of him), so I called the office today to make sure that he's not on vacation. I was told that he's not in today, but he's working (not on vacation), but 'swamped.' I may try to give him a call tomorrow.

I was looking over my 'old' blood tests, and in the one he did in January (about a month after I started JUDDD), my T3 was way up (183 out of 195), but in June, it was down to 97. I wonder whether it's the low carbs OR the low calories (or both) that's bringing it down? I don't mind adding some carbs, but there's no way I can add calories and lose, which is why I want more T3. It's sort of a catch-22; if I lower my calories, I lose, but that then lowers my T3, and I stall! I must get this fixed--somehow.

Well I'm a pirate not a Doctor... BUT I really think the only way to "fix" low T3 is through medication. Yes there are theories (with some study support) that adequate carbohydrates aid in T4 to T3 conversion BUT I personally think that dropping T3 numbers can only be raised by additional medication> I don't think we can change our diet to raise them. Thats interesting how high your T3 was back in January... you were losing at a good clip then weren't you? I wish I had bloodwork from that amazing month when I lost twelve pounds! It was right before my big hormone tank out. I'm also looking forward to my upcoming bloodwork. Because of the crazy armour reformulation i may just ask her to add the cytomel for me.

Leo41 · 07-30-2009, 11:22 AM

Yes, I was losing fine then. In fact, I was doing OK up until about a month (or 6 weeks) ago. According to Pam, Dr. Broda Barnes' research indicated that the thyroid hormones get suppressed if one eats under 1200 cal./30g carbs a day, and I've been doing less than that.

But I agree with you that the only way to raise my T3 is with meds, and that's why I'm so desperate to contact my endo and push for more Cytomel. I'm definitely going to try him tomorrow.

LBishop · 07-30-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo41

Yes, I was losing fine then. In fact, I was doing OK up until about a month (or 6 weeks) ago. According to Pam, Dr. Broda Barnes' research indicated that the thyroid hormones get suppressed if one eats under 1200 cal./30g carbs a day, and I've been doing less than that.

But I agree with you that the only way to raise my T3 is with meds, and that's why I'm so desperate to contact my endo and push for more Cytomel. I'm definitely going to try him tomorrow.

So according to that info, what does that do to us hypthyroid people who are doing JUDDD? Are we not suppressing our hormones every other day? That's my concern while trying to regulate my T3 meds. I understand that starvation doesn't kick in in such a short time, BUT, are we not still somehow suppressing our thyroid hormones on the days we eat as little as nothing and no more than 500 calories?

I'm really just wondering as I've already decided to just eat moderately every day for now and see how things go because I don't want to take any chances that I'm messing with the results I should be getting following the t3 protocol I'm on. Just trying to find some research one way or another.

Ilpirata · 07-30-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LBishop

So according to that info, what does that do to us hypthyroid people who are doing JUDDD? Are we not suppressing our hormones every other day? That's my concern while trying to regulate my T3 meds. I understand that starvation doesn't kick in in such a short time, BUT, are we not still somehow suppressing our thyroid hormones on the days we eat as little as nothing and no more than 500 calories?

I'm really just wondering as I've already decided to just eat moderately every day for now and see how things go because I don't want to take any chances that I'm messing with the results I should be getting following the t3 protocol I'm on. Just trying to find some research one way or another.

Well I'm a pirate not a doctor. I PERSONALLY believe that NO we are not supressing by following JUDD. Because JUDD is designed as an Every Other Day Diet. I believe it is EVERYDAY low cal/low carb combined that supresses thyroid. Thats my opinion though and also my Endo had no problem with this WOE when I described it to her as 500 cal days alternated with 200 cal days.

LBishop · 07-30-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Well I'm a pirate not a doctor. I PERSONALLY believe that NO we are not supressing by following JUDD. Because JUDD is designed as an Every Other Day Diet. I believe it is EVERYDAY low cal/low carb combined that supresses thyroid. Thats my opinion though and also my Endo had no problem with this WOE when I described it to her as 500 cal days alternated with 200 cal days.

Thanks Kisha, I really am going to talk to my doctor about this but I hate to make an appt for something like this. I am a friend of his daughter in law so I'm thinking about seeing if I can get ahold of him outside of the office. I want to continue with it and would feel more comfortable with his ok. I appreciate and respect your opinion!

Ilpirata · 07-30-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LBishop

Thanks Kisha, I really am going to talk to my doctor about this but I hate to make an appt for something like this. I am a friend of his daughter in law so I'm thinking about seeing if I can get ahold of him outside of the office. I want to continue with it and would feel more comfortable with his ok. I appreciate and respect your opinion!

You could also maybe call his office and say that you have a question for him or that you want to run your eating plan by him and maybe you can do it via phone?

LBishop · 07-30-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ilpirata

You could also maybe call his office and say that you have a question for him or that you want to run your eating plan by him and maybe you can do it via phone?

Good idea. He has an email address on his website, but I'm not sure if he reads it regularly. I think I'll try that first though. Thanks! He's closed on Fridays and is closed today already so I may have to wait till Monday.

Leo41 · 07-30-2009, 04:07 PM

Kisha & Leisa-

I agree with Kisha that the alternate day system protects us from metabolic issues, BUT I was just speaking about myself, since I try to average <1000 cal a day by doing 400/1200-1400 alternation. That's lower than the numbers that Pam gives from Dr. Barnes' research as minimal to preserve thyroid function (1200-1500).

By the way, my endo didn't see any problem with my low calories when I told him what I was doing, but it's also possible that Dr. Barnes' research (from the 1930s-50s) is too ancient for these guys--and may actually no longer be relevant. Remember that Dr. Barnes was working before there were any blood tests for thyroid or any synthetic hormones.

But if I have to choose between suppressing my thyroid with low calories to lose weight and thus having to take a higher dosage of meds vs. just getting fatter, I think you know my choice:-)

scandalouslyglam · 07-31-2009, 06:39 AM

Hi! Well i didn'y do too well the last few days and there was virtually no difference between DD's and UD's. So I am beginning anew today. I mapped out a Plan, actually filled in which days will be UD's and which will be DD's.

And it works out that my Birthday is an UP DAY. So's Saturday and I am going to my parents camp and can enjoy the cookout without even thinking about it.

So today is DD#1: I am having a very tasty EAS advantEDGE chocolate fudge shake. I really like these! 110 Kcals, 3gm fat, 17gm protein 4 carbs, 2 of which are fiber. I am glad I opted for these over the Atkin's shakes!

Then DD and I are going to Borders where I plan to buy the JUDDD book. I really look forward to reading it.

I went to my moms yesterday and was telling her about this WOE, as soon as I told her about the calories she shut me down. It seems counting calories isn't something she's willing to do. Even every other day.

Have a great day.

cagmom · 07-31-2009, 07:02 AM

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Congralations, cagmom, 2 pounds is fantastic!

Yesterday was DD#23. 400 cals, 72% fat. B: 2 strips bacon. L: Two HB eggs, salad with homemade ranch dressing, Today I'm down a pound, so now the scale says 139!

That makes me much less tempted to put myself through a water or V8 fast.

Weasel-Thanks for the congrats I'm down another .5 this morning. I think lowing my DD from 500 to 350 is making the difference between the scale standing still and moving again.Congrats on your weight loss happy to hear the scale is going downward. Glad that your decided not to use the water or V8 fast.

I love and have lots of Traditional Medicinal from Eaters Digestion,Night Night,Throat Coat and a few others.

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RE FASTING DD: FASTING is ABSOLUTELY NOT necessary for the JUDD plan. It is a tweak that some of us have implemented. In his book Dr. J does say that complete fasting on alternate days would provide the most health benefits - HOWEVER with the caveat that complete fasting on alternate days is just not possible for most people in the long term.

KISHAI agree with you 100% I went on those sakes the first week but now I eating reg foods on the DD.[b]melted cheese on 4 tomato 1/2's with veggie bacon 1/2 c soy milk[155]equals to one of shakes in calories.

LEO-Sorry about your thyroid acting up. Thought I had thyroid problems as I couldn't loss weight not matter what plan I was on,but the doctor checked it out and I don't have them.hope the JUDDD plan is safe.

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Dovelette · 07-31-2009, 07:36 AM

Hey guys so I'm headed for vacation today, won't be back til around the 10th, have fun, happy JUDDDing and I'm gonna try to keep it as clean and alternating as I can lol

GME · 07-31-2009, 07:36 AM

Hi folks. I've been moping around, not sure what to post or do. I tried a few days of higher cal UDs while keeping DDs the same, and that has NOT worked out. I am up ANOTHER two lbs after a pretty stellar DD yesterday.

I did my end-of-July stats and I lost 0 lbs and .75 inches off my hips this month. Nothing anywhere else that I measure. My face, neck and shoulders do look thinner though.

I am sad to say JUDDD's effectiveness may have run it's course with me. That pretty much happens to me with all plans- they work for a while and then they don't. I typed up a long list in my journal, going back to Weight Watchers and low fat- all the same. Work for a while and then stop.

I was hoping JUDDD would be different because of the ups and downs, but I must have one of the smartest, most adaptable bodies in the world. I would have been a kick-a$$ cavewoman that survived every famine with fat to spare for birthing hunter babies.

I'm going to keep pursuing my thyroid issues. I'm waiting on results from my regular doc and I found an endo nearby recommended by a thyroid site. I also found a big clinic that specializes in this kind of stuff for women, but it's an hour and a half away. What I am seeing from all of you poor thyroid peeps posts is a diagnosis isn't a cureall. You still have to find a plan and work it for you. I'll keep working on the plan end while I work on the thyroid end too.

The $74 question now is- what to do? I spent some time reading up on other forms of IF and I am a believer. I was thinking about Fast Five (How sweet is it that you can download the book for free?), but once school starts I think I will have a hard time not eating lunch. I'm thinking about doing a Fast Five/CAD hybrid and have one other ZC (or close to it.. AZC

) meal at lunch or late breakfast and then the window at dinner time. It seems to me most IF plans are about insulin control- CAD (although that isn't really fasting), one meal a day, Warrior- so I'm hoping just meat or eggs won't trigger insulin (much) and have the same effect.

It seems like it would be entirely possible to do some JUDDD days too to mix things up. I read about some IFers that fast during a 24 hr window- like 3:00 to 3:00 so the never go a whole day without eating.

What do you folks think? I'm muddled right now.

Leo41 · 07-31-2009, 09:09 AM

Dove--

Enjoy your vacation!

Gina-

How much have you lost total on JUDDD? The reason I ask is that I posted on the thyroid section that a physician friend of mine told me that I"m wrong in thinking this stall is from my thyroid. He reminded me that it is "common and natural" to stall after losing 10-15% of body weight. And when I figured it out, I've lost close to 15% in the 6 months since I began JUDDD. His solution is to up my exercise and keep my calories low--and wait it out. That's frustrating advice, but I wonder whether it's true.

Perhaps that's why you stall on "any plan." After you hit that 10%, you have to give it a couple of months for your body to agree to lose more. I think JUDDD is particularly difficult to stick with in the fact of no loss (on a DD right now and starving:-).

You're right about thyroid meds. Here's the story--if you need them, you CAN'T lose and can easily gain. But when you're optimally medicated, all they do is 'level the playing field' and allow you to lose. But since your metabolism is compromised, loss will probably always be slow and require calorie restriction of some kind. No fun at all.

Ilpirata · 07-31-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo41

Dove--

Enjoy your vacation!

Gina-

How much have you lost total on JUDDD? The reason I ask is that I posted on the thyroid section that a physician friend of mine told me that I"m wrong in thinking this stall is from my thyroid. He reminded me that it is "common and natural" to stall after losing 10-15% of body weight. And when I figured it out, I've lost close to 15% in the 6 months since I began JUDDD. His solution is to up my exercise and keep my calories low--and wait it out. That's frustrating advice, but I wonder whether it's true.

Perhaps that's why you stall on "any plan." After you hit that 10%, you have to give it a couple of months for your body to agree to lose more. I think JUDDD is particularly difficult to stick with in the fact of no loss (on a DD right now and starving:-).

You're right about thyroid meds. Here's the story--if you need them, you CAN'T lose and can easily gain. But when you're optimally medicated, all they do is 'level the playing field' and allow you to lose. But since your metabolism is compromised, loss will probably always be slow and require calorie restriction of some kind. No fun at all.

I agree on both... Dove have so much fun on your vacay!

Gina... if its the thyroid theres not much you can do til its taken care of. So I'm glad you're following up on that. And I TOTALLY agree with Leo... JUDD is particularly difficult to stick with through a long stall. For me continuing to eat Atkins Induction or Atkins OWL is pretty dran luxurious but stalling when basically only eating every other day is beyond frustrating its practically infuriating.

As far as where to go next... its hard to say... since you exercise so much I bet you continue to see improvements in how you look & your body composition despite the uncooprative scale. I guess its kinda like "what plan appeals" Historically you seem to respond to just about ANY change so i guess I'd start casting my net for a plan that seems enjoyable to try.

As far as ZC... I DEFINATELY understand the temptation> Ive been tempted to do it at points... the fact is though that I've eaten VLC before (less than 5g per day) and I didn't lose any better. And if its your thyroid ZC is absolutely a bad idea.

GME · 07-31-2009, 10:26 AM

Leo, interesting thought on the %. I got out my trusty calculator and I lost 7% of my start weight on JUDDD (14 out of 200 lbs- geesh, I could do that without a calculator.

Maybe school does need to start).

For me, it feels like a time frame. I've been going back through my journal and I seem to have a 3 month period of success with whatever new tweak I try. JUDDD has been one of the best performers- 14 lbs in April, May and June (and really only about half of April). I probably should have switched a month ago, but I just really, really wanted this to work. I am consistant by nature.

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Originally Posted by Ilpirata

As far as ZC... I DEFINATELY understand the temptation> Ive been tempted to do it at points... the fact is though that I've eaten VLC before (less than 5g per day) and I didn't lose any better. And if its your thyroid ZC is absolutely a bad idea.

Kisha, I wouldn't try ZC all the time. That doesn't even sound good to me. I'm thinking maybe 1 VLC meal during the day (lunch probably) and then a CAD/Fast Five type window at night for "normal" foods. It is kind of a mish mash of quite a few plans I read up on yesterday. I did have limited success with CAD many moons ago, but I overdid the "reward meal." This was before they got all PC about fat and balancing the RM.

I think it will fit with my work/family schedule and my running. It should control insulin with the LC meal and limited window. I think, I hope.

After wandering around the house, hungry and unsure what to do about it (Is it an UD? Am I doing Fast 5? What a dork.

) I decided to jump in. I just finished an avocado and 1.5 eggs worth of egg salad (boiled egg, mayo and pepper- I had fixed three eggs but couldn't come close to finishing it). I'm going to use ****** for awhile so I get a feel for what I am really doing. So far today I am at:

Calories 532
Fat 50.0 434 82 %
Saturated 8.5 74 14 %
Polyunsaturated 15.3 134 25 %
Monounsaturated 21.6 185 35 %
Carbohydrate 13.4 49 9 %
Dietary Fiber 9.2
Protein 12.4 48 9 %
Alcohol 0.0 0 0 %

The avocado isn't VLC, but the net isn't bad and they are very satiating.

We are going to a BBQ place for dinner and that will be my "window."

I'd like to keep coming here though. I'd miss you guys.

Ilpirata · 07-31-2009, 10:28 AM

OMG GINA! You HAVE to keep us posted even if you switch plans!

scandalouslyglam · 07-31-2009, 10:47 AM

BYE Dove!!! Have a great vacation!!

I went to Borders and Bought the Book today!!! I just read it cover to cover (Aside from the recipes)Understanding the science and history really made me understand how the diet actually works.

I also started a food diary, I have never really been in tune with my feelings of hunger so this should be quite interesting.

My Down Day #1 has gone well. Admittedly I feel overly STARVING...But it's my mind more than my tummy.

7am: Coffee with 3 Tbsp light cream= 90Kcals
10am: Eas Shake= 110kcals
32 ounces water
16 ounces s/f koolaid
1:15pm: 1 HB egg +teaspoon mustard=80kcals

So far so good. I am really excited now that I actually "get it". The way the book explains it it's pretty much guaranteed to work. Here's Hoping!!

nitenurse · 07-31-2009, 11:00 AM

After my big UD my wt bounced up 4#, but my measured fat is only up 1#, so I know it's water retention. For my down day I am going to have some chicken broth between the protein shakes, and some tea, and then some hamburger in the afternoon. I think I'll get some v8 and tomato juice too, as somebody here mentioned. Good luck to all of us.

Leo41 · 07-31-2009, 01:07 PM

Glam-

One thing I've learned from JUDDD is how much eating is more due to the mind than the tummy! That's not to say I don't feel true physical hunger on DDs (I do), but it's easier not to eat at those times than when I smell good things--or, worse, when I just think about how it would be nice to have. . . .[you name it]. This WOE has given more more insight into my food issues, and more control over them, than anything in my life. It's been as valuable as the pounds lost.

Nitenurse-

I find that hot tea and broth have been really good on DDs for keeping hunger under control. One thing I learned is to add a little vinegar and hot sauce to my broth. There's something about the taste of vinegar (which I happen to like) that kills hunger. That's why if you don't mind the sodium, a nice, fat dill pickle will kill hunger for only about 5 cal.

Leo41 · 07-31-2009, 01:08 PM

B]Glam-[/B]

One thing I've learned from JUDDD is how much eating is more due to the mind than the tummy! That's not to say I don't feel true physical hunger on DDs (I do), but it's easier not to eat at those times than when I smell good things--or, worse, when I just think about how it would be nice to have. . . .[you name it]. This WOE has given more more insight into my food issues, and more control over them, than anything in my life. It's been as valuable as the pounds lost.

Nitenurse-

I find that hot tea and broth have been really good on DDs for keeping hunger under control. One thing I learned is to add a little vinegar and hot sauce to my broth. There's something about the taste of vinegar (which I happen to like) that kills hunger. That's why if you don't mind the sodium, a nice, fat dill pickle will kill hunger for only about 5 cal.

Trishagrrl · 07-31-2009, 06:03 PM

Hi JUDDD'ers...

Sorry I've been MIA lately. My mom-in-law came up and has been here all week. Diet hasn't gone so well. Last Sunday my DD went well until dinner time and then it ended up being a MD. Tuesday's DD went great and Thursday I knew that my DD would turn into a MD before it even got here because of social obligations. My MIL leaves tomorrow so I'll be getting back on track very soon. I feel like my slight increase in thyroid meds has helped me some, but I really feel like I still need another increase. I think my next appointment is in about 3ish weeks. After the week I've had I really don't want to know what the scale says!

On top of MIL being here we came to an agreement on a house we want to purchase and have been trying to get some packing done while we have an extra set of hands around. But now I'm a bit stressed out because of some issues with the sale of our house.

I'm going to definitely get back on track this week! I want to try to pull off at least 1 AWF.

Gina- I hope you don't completely leave us! Please do keep us updated if you decide to leave and try something else.

aim in Fla*working · 07-31-2009, 06:05 PM

hey guys

I was wondering if any of you take resveritrol?

LBishop · 07-31-2009, 06:08 PM

Well, I am so discouraged. I have actually gained all the weight that I have worked so hard to lose since starting JUDDD in April. Wasn't much and I know it can come back off quickly but I'm so confused and irritated in the whole thing. I set out today to eat only low carb thinking I could at least limit the damage of eating and then ended up eating leftover biscuits at lunch and the rest was downhill. I went to the track tonight to run and ended up doing a mile and a half but felt like a whale while doing it. I stopped and walked a lap afterwards and was almost in tears over the way I felt. The last time I was running regularly, I felt fit and slim and tonight was awful.

Part of the reason for my change of plan in eating is pressure from my husband. We've been reading up on the Wilsons Temp site and he talks about very low calorie and how it's not a good idea while trying to get the temp regulated. I feel SO much better on the T3 that I don't want to do anything to mess with my success with this, HOWEVER, I'm not willing to just gain a bunch of weight either! I've decided tomorrow is going to be a DD, without my husbands knowledge. I'll be leaving at 6am to take my girls to swim conference 2 hours away and won't be home until late tomorrow night, so I can easily do a DD. He won't worry about me because he won't know. I can't stand the way I feel any longer and it's only been a few days...blech!

aim in Fla*working · 07-31-2009, 06:17 PM

i am so sorry leisa. I know what you feel. I too have gained (144)and I think the problem is I hate to think I will have hungry days every other day. Low carb worked but then it stopped working...I am scared about that. It was the only think that worked 10 years ago. I was 127-129 for 7 years...then I just started eating so much and off plan and then I quit smoking at 132 and yesterday i was 144.
I asked my doctors for drugs but he denied me and then gave me the diebetic diet with small portions and every thing weighed and measured. so depressing.

LBishop · 07-31-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by aim in Fla*working

i am so sorry leisa. I know what you feel. I too have gained (144)and I think the problem is I hate to think I will have hungry days every other day. Low carb worked but then it stopped working...I am scared about that. It was the only think that worked 10 years ago. I was 127-129 for 7 years...then I just started eating so much and off plan and then I quit smoking at 132 and yesterday i was 144.
I asked my doctors for drugs but he denied me and then gave me the diebetic diet with small portions and every thing weighed and measured. so depressing.

Thanks Aim, I was just reminding myself that I'm very bloated right now. This T3 is causing me not to have my periods, which the doctor said was no surprise and it's fine with me, but right now, my breasts are very swollen and tender and my fingers are very swollen. I am sure that 3 pounds or so will come off with the water. I'm at 133 or so which is not bad, but still....

aim in Fla*working · 07-31-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LBishop

Thanks Aim, I was just reminding myself that I'm very bloated right now. This T3 is causing me not to have my periods, which the doctor said was no surprise and it's fine with me, but right now, my breasts are very swollen and tender and my fingers are very swollen. I am sure that 3 pounds or so will come off with the water. I'm at 133 or so which is not bad, but still....

why is the t3 causing you to swell? I take t3 and it does not effect me that way at all. As a matter of fact, when I started t3 i actually BEGAN to have periods again. I wonder why you don't have periods.

LBishop · 07-31-2009, 07:14 PM

Aim, actually the t3 is not causing me to swell, but what I meant was that they doctor said it was not surprising that my periods have become irregular. I cannot remember how he explained it and remember, I'm following the Wilsons Temperature Syndrome protocol for T3 so it may have to do with the fact that I gradually increase my dose every 4 days. I've now been steady at a normal temp for 11 days on the same dose though so am hopeful that I will get to begin weaning off of it next week if it holds. I will call the office Monday. I'll go to the website and see if I can find reference to how it affects estrogen and cycles. This is the first time I've been bloated like this and I will mention it Monday or whenever I get in to see him.

07-31-2009, 06:39 AM	#912
scandalouslyglam Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Gorham, Me Posts: 6,994 Gallery: scandalouslyglam Stats: 6'1-261.8/222.2/220 WOE: LC down 39 Start Date: 1/2/2012	Hi! Well i didn'y do too well the last few days and there was virtually no difference between DD's and UD's. So I am beginning anew today. I mapped out a Plan, actually filled in which days will be UD's and which will be DD's. And it works out that my Birthday is an UP DAY. So's Saturday and I am going to my parents camp and can enjoy the cookout without even thinking about it. So today is DD#1: I am having a very tasty EAS advantEDGE chocolate fudge shake. I really like these! 110 Kcals, 3gm fat, 17gm protein 4 carbs, 2 of which are fiber. I am glad I opted for these over the Atkin's shakes! Then DD and I are going to Borders where I plan to buy the JUDDD book. I really look forward to reading it. I went to my moms yesterday and was telling her about this WOE, as soon as I told her about the calories she shut me down. It seems counting calories isn't something she's willing to do. Even every other day. Have a great day. __________________ -My real name is August...nice to meet you! Losing weight is hard. Being fat is hard. Pick your hard.

07-31-2009, 07:36 AM	#915
GME Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CA Coast Posts: 6,720 Gallery: GME Stats: 250/175/175 And again...223/208.4/146 5'7 WOE: Misc. Start Date: April 2000 (the first time)	Hi folks. I've been moping around, not sure what to post or do. I tried a few days of higher cal UDs while keeping DDs the same, and that has NOT worked out. I am up ANOTHER two lbs after a pretty stellar DD yesterday. I did my end-of-July stats and I lost 0 lbs and .75 inches off my hips this month. Nothing anywhere else that I measure. My face, neck and shoulders do look thinner though. I am sad to say JUDDD's effectiveness may have run it's course with me. That pretty much happens to me with all plans- they work for a while and then they don't. I typed up a long list in my journal, going back to Weight Watchers and low fat- all the same. Work for a while and then stop. I was hoping JUDDD would be different because of the ups and downs, but I must have one of the smartest, most adaptable bodies in the world. I would have been a kick-a$$ cavewoman that survived every famine with fat to spare for birthing hunter babies. I'm going to keep pursuing my thyroid issues. I'm waiting on results from my regular doc and I found an endo nearby recommended by a thyroid site. I also found a big clinic that specializes in this kind of stuff for women, but it's an hour and a half away. What I am seeing from all of you poor thyroid peeps posts is a diagnosis isn't a cureall. You still have to find a plan and work it for you. I'll keep working on the plan end while I work on the thyroid end too. The $74 question now is- what to do? I spent some time reading up on other forms of IF and I am a believer. I was thinking about Fast Five (How sweet is it that you can download the book for free?), but once school starts I think I will have a hard time not eating lunch. I'm thinking about doing a Fast Five/CAD hybrid and have one other ZC (or close to it.. AZC ) meal at lunch or late breakfast and then the window at dinner time. It seems to me most IF plans are about insulin control- CAD (although that isn't really fasting), one meal a day, Warrior- so I'm hoping just meat or eggs won't trigger insulin (much) and have the same effect. It seems like it would be entirely possible to do some JUDDD days too to mix things up. I read about some IFers that fast during a 24 hr window- like 3:00 to 3:00 so the never go a whole day without eating. What do you folks think? I'm muddled right now. __________________ Gina

07-31-2009, 06:03 PM	#924
Trishagrrl Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 986 Gallery: Trishagrrl	Hi JUDDD'ers... Sorry I've been MIA lately. My mom-in-law came up and has been here all week. Diet hasn't gone so well. Last Sunday my DD went well until dinner time and then it ended up being a MD. Tuesday's DD went great and Thursday I knew that my DD would turn into a MD before it even got here because of social obligations. My MIL leaves tomorrow so I'll be getting back on track very soon. I feel like my slight increase in thyroid meds has helped me some, but I really feel like I still need another increase. I think my next appointment is in about 3ish weeks. After the week I've had I really don't want to know what the scale says! On top of MIL being here we came to an agreement on a house we want to purchase and have been trying to get some packing done while we have an extra set of hands around. But now I'm a bit stressed out because of some issues with the sale of our house. I'm going to definitely get back on track this week! I want to try to pull off at least 1 AWF. Gina- I hope you don't completely leave us! Please do keep us updated if you decide to leave and try something else. __________________ Trisha Intoxicated on Life Pursuing spiritual, mental and physical health!

07-31-2009, 06:17 PM	#927
aim in Flaworking Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,024 Gallery: aim in Flaworking	i am so sorry leisa. I know what you feel. I too have gained (144)and I think the problem is I hate to think I will have hungry days every other day. Low carb worked but then it stopped working...I am scared about that. It was the only think that worked 10 years ago. I was 127-129 for 7 years...then I just started eating so much and off plan and then I quit smoking at 132 and yesterday i was 144. I asked my doctors for drugs but he denied me and then gave me the diebetic diet with small portions and every thing weighed and measured. so depressing. __________________ 12/21/11-147.5 12/27/11-141.5 12/29/11-138.5 1/1/12-137 1/4/12-135 1/14/12-132 1/16/12-131 1/26/12-129!!!( have not been here in 5 years!) 2/2/12-127!!! 2/14/12-124.5!!!!

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07-30-2009, 07:27 AM	#901
Dovelette Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 1,894 Gallery: Dovelette WOE: Atkins OWL, Current HCG R1P2 Start Date: WLS 4/20/2004, Atkins 3/31/09, HCG 4/9/13	I like magnesium as well, I've been slacking on it and have noticed VERY painful BMs...ow! Gotta take 3-4 a day to keep me going. Ugh.

07-30-2009, 09:08 AM	#902
Ilpirata Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 10,061 Gallery: Ilpirata	Morning Everyone! Congrats to all our losers! (and maintainers LOL) LEISA! YAY!!! 139. I think we've ALL been waiting for that on your scale... though you've been the one doing the work LOL. I had a great DD yesterday did AWF which for me means coffee w/whole milk and/or coffe w/half and half and also liquid sucralose. I was 189 which is where I've been "resting" before I went to bed. Didn't weigh this morning because I woke up at five am and at 2 ostrim sticks and a string cheese before I remembered I was supposed to weigh LOL. sooooo.... at least I'm maintaining and if my body is willing to cooperate AT ALL I could register a loss by Saturday this week (after my third DD of the week), RE SHAKES: The good thing about them is there is absolutely no way to mess up on the calorie/carb/macro counting because a serving is a serving and the label is the label. I think it also provides some of the benefits of a fasting DD meaning the benefits of freedom from planning or worrying about what to eat. It IS A FREEING feeling. RE FASTING DD: FASTING is ABSOLUTELY NOT necessary for the JUDD plan. It is a tweak that some of us have implemented. In his book Dr. J does say that complete fasting on alternate days would provide the most health benefits - HOWEVER with the caveat that complete fasting on alternate days is just not possible for most people in the long term. Thats why he developed the DDs that start at 20% of UD cals for weight loss. If occasional or recurrent fasting (alternate days only) works for some of us... great (sometimes it works for me LOL). We should though be focusing on what is MAINTAINABLE for us as a long term WOE/Lifestyle and thats why eating on DD way be prefereable. Its preferable for its sustainability. This is also why as we near goal we should be increasing our DD cals as described by Dr. J to work towards our maintenence DD cal level which will probably be around 50%. MUSINGS: I have been thinking about my grandma lately who maintained a weight of 113 for almost all of her adult life. She weighed herself every single morning and if she went up over two pound (so 115) she would not eat breakfast or lunch that day. Just dinner. Like I said she used this method to stay 113 until she was quite elderly... at which point she began shrinking and LOSING weight (she's an adorable 90 pound 96 year old now). I think she was actually pretty much following maintenence JUDD without knowing it!

07-30-2009, 09:39 AM	#903
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,460 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	That's a cool story about your grandmother, Kisha. Talk about self-discipline! But she had the absolute right idea. If she'd written a diet book, she could be rich now:-) I haven't heard from my endo (which is uncharacteristic of him), so I called the office today to make sure that he's not on vacation. I was told that he's not in today, but he's working (not on vacation), but 'swamped.' I may try to give him a call tomorrow. I was looking over my 'old' blood tests, and in the one he did in January (about a month after I started JUDDD), my T3 was way up (183 out of 195), but in June, it was down to 97. I wonder whether it's the low carbs OR the low calories (or both) that's bringing it down? I don't mind adding some carbs, but there's no way I can add calories and lose, which is why I want more T3. It's sort of a catch-22; if I lower my calories, I lose, but that then lowers my T3, and I stall! I must get this fixed--somehow.

07-30-2009, 11:22 AM	#905
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,460 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Yes, I was losing fine then. In fact, I was doing OK up until about a month (or 6 weeks) ago. According to Pam, Dr. Broda Barnes' research indicated that the thyroid hormones get suppressed if one eats under 1200 cal./30g carbs a day, and I've been doing less than that. But I agree with you that the only way to raise my T3 is with meds, and that's why I'm so desperate to contact my endo and push for more Cytomel. I'm definitely going to try him tomorrow.

07-30-2009, 04:07 PM	#911
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,460 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Kisha & Leisa- I agree with Kisha that the alternate day system protects us from metabolic issues, BUT I was just speaking about myself, since I try to average <1000 cal a day by doing 400/1200-1400 alternation. That's lower than the numbers that Pam gives from Dr. Barnes' research as minimal to preserve thyroid function (1200-1500). By the way, my endo didn't see any problem with my low calories when I told him what I was doing, but it's also possible that Dr. Barnes' research (from the 1930s-50s) is too ancient for these guys--and may actually no longer be relevant. Remember that Dr. Barnes was working before there were any blood tests for thyroid or any synthetic hormones. But if I have to choose between suppressing my thyroid with low calories to lose weight and thus having to take a higher dosage of meds vs. just getting fatter, I think you know my choice:-)

07-31-2009, 07:36 AM	#914
Dovelette Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 1,894 Gallery: Dovelette WOE: Atkins OWL, Current HCG R1P2 Start Date: WLS 4/20/2004, Atkins 3/31/09, HCG 4/9/13	Hey guys so I'm headed for vacation today, won't be back til around the 10th, have fun, happy JUDDDing and I'm gonna try to keep it as clean and alternating as I can lol

07-31-2009, 09:09 AM	#916
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,460 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Dove-- Enjoy your vacation! Gina- How much have you lost total on JUDDD? The reason I ask is that I posted on the thyroid section that a physician friend of mine told me that I"m wrong in thinking this stall is from my thyroid. He reminded me that it is "common and natural" to stall after losing 10-15% of body weight. And when I figured it out, I've lost close to 15% in the 6 months since I began JUDDD. His solution is to up my exercise and keep my calories low--and wait it out. That's frustrating advice, but I wonder whether it's true. Perhaps that's why you stall on "any plan." After you hit that 10%, you have to give it a couple of months for your body to agree to lose more. I think JUDDD is particularly difficult to stick with in the fact of no loss (on a DD right now and starving:-). You're right about thyroid meds. Here's the story--if you need them, you CAN'T lose and can easily gain. But when you're optimally medicated, all they do is 'level the playing field' and allow you to lose. But since your metabolism is compromised, loss will probably always be slow and require calorie restriction of some kind. No fun at all.

07-31-2009, 10:28 AM	#919
Ilpirata Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 10,061 Gallery: Ilpirata	OMG GINA! You HAVE to keep us posted even if you switch plans!

07-31-2009, 10:47 AM	#920
scandalouslyglam Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Gorham, Me Posts: 6,994 Gallery: scandalouslyglam Stats: 6'1-261.8/222.2/220 WOE: LC down 39 Start Date: 1/2/2012	BYE Dove!!! Have a great vacation!! I went to Borders and Bought the Book today!!! I just read it cover to cover (Aside from the recipes)Understanding the science and history really made me understand how the diet actually works. I also started a food diary, I have never really been in tune with my feelings of hunger so this should be quite interesting. My Down Day #1 has gone well. Admittedly I feel overly STARVING...But it's my mind more than my tummy. 7am: Coffee with 3 Tbsp light cream= 90Kcals 10am: Eas Shake= 110kcals 32 ounces water 16 ounces s/f koolaid 1:15pm: 1 HB egg +teaspoon mustard=80kcals So far so good. I am really excited now that I actually "get it". The way the book explains it it's pretty much guaranteed to work. Here's Hoping!!

07-31-2009, 11:00 AM	#921
nitenurse Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 2,075 Gallery: nitenurse Stats: 290-/(230-229)/160 WOE: Atkins/PP/ JUDDD /IF/Fast 5 Start Date: 1972	After my big UD my wt bounced up 4#, but my measured fat is only up 1#, so I know it's water retention. For my down day I am going to have some chicken broth between the protein shakes, and some tea, and then some hamburger in the afternoon. I think I'll get some v8 and tomato juice too, as somebody here mentioned. Good luck to all of us.

07-31-2009, 01:07 PM	#922
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,460 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	Glam- One thing I've learned from JUDDD is how much eating is more due to the mind than the tummy! That's not to say I don't feel true physical hunger on DDs (I do), but it's easier not to eat at those times than when I smell good things--or, worse, when I just think about how it would be nice to have. . . .[you name it]. This WOE has given more more insight into my food issues, and more control over them, than anything in my life. It's been as valuable as the pounds lost. Nitenurse- I find that hot tea and broth have been really good on DDs for keeping hunger under control. One thing I learned is to add a little vinegar and hot sauce to my broth. There's something about the taste of vinegar (which I happen to like) that kills hunger. That's why if you don't mind the sodium, a nice, fat dill pickle will kill hunger for only about 5 cal.

07-31-2009, 01:08 PM	#923
Leo41 Senior LCF member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8,460 Gallery: Leo41 Stats: 340 then/145 now WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling	B]Glam-[/B] One thing I've learned from JUDDD is how much eating is more due to the mind than the tummy! That's not to say I don't feel true physical hunger on DDs (I do), but it's easier not to eat at those times than when I smell good things--or, worse, when I just think about how it would be nice to have. . . .[you name it]. This WOE has given more more insight into my food issues, and more control over them, than anything in my life. It's been as valuable as the pounds lost. Nitenurse- I find that hot tea and broth have been really good on DDs for keeping hunger under control. One thing I learned is to add a little vinegar and hot sauce to my broth. There's something about the taste of vinegar (which I happen to like) that kills hunger. That's why if you don't mind the sodium, a nice, fat dill pickle will kill hunger for only about 5 cal.

07-31-2009, 06:05 PM	#925
aim in Flaworking Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,024 Gallery: aim in Flaworking	hey guys I was wondering if any of you take resveritrol?

07-31-2009, 06:08 PM	#926
LBishop Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC, USA Posts: 1,502 Gallery: LBishop Stats: 151.5/144/125-129 5'4" 48yo WOE: JUDDD Start Date: Restart November 2010	Well, I am so discouraged. I have actually gained all the weight that I have worked so hard to lose since starting JUDDD in April. Wasn't much and I know it can come back off quickly but I'm so confused and irritated in the whole thing. I set out today to eat only low carb thinking I could at least limit the damage of eating and then ended up eating leftover biscuits at lunch and the rest was downhill. I went to the track tonight to run and ended up doing a mile and a half but felt like a whale while doing it. I stopped and walked a lap afterwards and was almost in tears over the way I felt. The last time I was running regularly, I felt fit and slim and tonight was awful. Part of the reason for my change of plan in eating is pressure from my husband. We've been reading up on the Wilsons Temp site and he talks about very low calorie and how it's not a good idea while trying to get the temp regulated. I feel SO much better on the T3 that I don't want to do anything to mess with my success with this, HOWEVER, I'm not willing to just gain a bunch of weight either! I've decided tomorrow is going to be a DD, without my husbands knowledge. I'll be leaving at 6am to take my girls to swim conference 2 hours away and won't be home until late tomorrow night, so I can easily do a DD. He won't worry about me because he won't know. I can't stand the way I feel any longer and it's only been a few days...blech!

07-31-2009, 07:14 PM	#930
LBishop Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC, USA Posts: 1,502 Gallery: LBishop Stats: 151.5/144/125-129 5'4" 48yo WOE: JUDDD Start Date: Restart November 2010	Aim, actually the t3 is not causing me to swell, but what I meant was that they doctor said it was not surprising that my periods have become irregular. I cannot remember how he explained it and remember, I'm following the Wilsons Temperature Syndrome protocol for T3 so it may have to do with the fact that I gradually increase my dose every 4 days. I've now been steady at a normal temp for 11 days on the same dose though so am hopeful that I will get to begin weaning off of it next week if it holds. I will call the office Monday. I'll go to the website and see if I can find reference to how it affects estrogen and cycles. This is the first time I've been bloated like this and I will mention it Monday or whenever I get in to see him.