July JUDDDD / Alternate Day Diet 2009

[Dovelette]

Remy, yeah I saw that conversation as well, looked them up and saw the ingredients. Don't seem so hot especially when weasell spells it out like that LOL.

[Remykins]

I picked one up at my local vitamin shoppe, they dont carry any of the protein bars, or atkins bars, they say they are no good...but they had a big display with them.... interesting right?
There were 2 other people buying them when i was in there... i guess they either dont care, or they didnt look at the label like me. They have the same ingredients almost exactly as this puffed rice cereal i ate when i was a kid... when i was young i had 5 bowls of cereal like clockwork every morning... i found it odd that these 'peanut butter crunch' smelled and tasted like coffee.
But i feel fine as of now unlike with the atkins bars and such, but i didnt finish the whole thing.

[GME]

Are those the things that say they work like WLS? If so, I saw them yesterday at Costco. I took a look at the ingredient list....

The last 45 min of my life have gone very wrong (diet wise). I'm still going to call it a DD, but not a good one. I just should have stuck with "I'm not eating today." All told, I'm at about 600 cals. I guess that's not so bad. No dinner tonight.

My kitchen redo is on hiatus at the moment. I got a third of the cabinets and drawers stripped. I used a non-toxic paint stripper- good for the environmnet I suppose, but more work for me. Now I need to paint them and then I'll start on the next section of the kitchen.

I spent my morning getting the stuff together to refi our house. Not exactly fun, but will result in a lower payment. Also, I recently applied to grad school to get a master's and an admin credential. I did a half-a$$ed job on the admissions essay. I didn't think anyone would really read it. I was wrong. I'm redoing it now to make it the length they wanted. I do believe the rewrite was the beginning of the end of my AWF DD.

Hope everyone else is having a better day than I am.

[Remykins]

Originally Posted by GME

Also, I recently applied to grad school to get a master's and an admin credential. I did a half-a$ job on the admissions essay. I didn't think anyone would really read it. I was wrong. I'm redoing it now to make it the length they wanted. I do believe the rewrite was the beginning of the end of my AWF DD.

Hope everyone else is having a better day than I am.

I am having a good day *rubs good day germs on your arm*
When i was finishing my masters i lost a TON of weight...
Dont let that paper get you down!, instead consider it an opportunity and an accomplishment! things will look up for you the rest of the day, i know they will!
Maybe take a quick walk as a break from the paper, and burn off a few of those cals?

[GME]

Originally Posted by Remykins

I am having a good day *rubs good day germs on your arm*
When i was finishing my masters i lost a TON of weight...
Dont let that paper get you down!, instead consider it an opportunity and an accomplishment! things will look up for you the rest of the day, i know they will!

Thanks! I appreciate the good day germs.

I should've barricaded the kitchen door like you said, but it's like 12 feet wide. I would have had to move the couch and a couple of chairs over and that would have made me even hungrier.

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by GME

Are those the things that say they work like WLS? If so, I saw them yesterday at Costco. I took a look at the ingredient list....

The last 45 min of my life have gone very wrong (diet wise). I'm still going to call it a DD, but not a good one. I just should have stuck with "I'm not eating today." All told, I'm at about 600 cals. I guess that's not so bad. No dinner tonight.

My kitchen redo is on hiatus at the moment. I got a third of the cabinets and drawers stripped. I used a non-toxic paint stripper- good for the environmnet I suppose, but more work for me. Now I need to paint them and then I'll start on the next section of the kitchen.

I spent my morning getting the stuff together to refi our house. Not exactly fun, but will result in a lower payment. Also, I recently applied to grad school to get a master's and an admin credential. I did a half-a$ job on the admissions essay. I didn't think anyone would really read it. I was wrong. I'm redoing it now to make it the length they wanted. I do believe the rewrite was the beginning of the end of my AWF DD.

Hope everyone else is having a better day than I am.

I have never NEVER accomplished AWF on a day when I was home. it happens! You're coming in OK at 600 and even if you go up to 1000 that makes today a MD and you can do DD tomorrow...

[Remykins]

Originally Posted by GME

Thanks! I appreciate the good day germs.

I should've barricaded the kitchen door like you said, but it's like 12 feet wide. I would have had to move the couch and a couple of chairs over and that would have made me even hungrier.

But i bet you would have burned a few extra calories

[kristinaW]

Hi again!

So many welcome responses! Thanks everyone....I already feel like I belong.

I moved to Switzerland in April 2006 to marry my now Swiss husband. We lived near Lucerne until October of 2008, about 9 months ago, when we moved to Belgium. Like everywhere, life just becomes life rather quickly. I had always dreamed of living in Europe, so it is definitely an amazing thing to be able to fulfill one of my dreams.

Being new is a challenge anywhere, although who hasn't thought how interesting it would be to 'start all over'. I really have gotten to know myself outside of the culture I am from, which is a very interesting discovery process!

The food in Belgium is delicious and not as expensive as Switzerland! I am convinced that the Belgians have the best fries in the world. Good food and frequent boredom (I hate admitting that I am bored here, but I would be lying if I said anything else) has probably helped me to over-indulge a bit!

Sherbel-I love Gent! What a great city to visit! What kind of work do you do? Do you enjoy traveling for work?

Dovelette-Cape Verde sounds super interesting! How long have you been there? Do you like it?

Leo41-I totally agree! Although, the best benefit of all is that it is hot and humid and nothing feels so good as jumping into a pool in the middle of the afternoon! I usually swim 40 minutes and do 15 laps. Is one lap down and back? Because that is what I am counting as a lap. It is a 25 meet pool, so I think that is 750 meters that I am swimming. Not sure how many feet or yards or whatever that is, but I know that I feel like I am getting a great workout!

GiJ-I live near Antwerp in the Dutch/Flemmish region. I am continually impressed by how many Belgians speak English really well. Nontheless, we are slowling learning the language. It really helps to have a background in German, but my Dutch pronunciation is pretty bad.

I think I replied to everyone, but sorry if I missed someone! I will get the hang of this in a few days. It is nearly 1AM my time and I better get a good night sleep. Tomorrow is a DD.

[Remykins]

Kristina- im so jealous, i am a belgian beer fanatic, i go to tastings at least once a month, i dream of going on a tour out there. I want to see the monks make my beer

JUDDDers, i have been doing a TON of reading the last couple weeks, and i have found something very important, yet, a bit frustrating for those trying to AWF. If everyone is privy to this information, then please disregard.

Studies show that slightly overeating on the non-fasting days yields similar results compared maintaining lower calories on non-fasting days... what mattered was the fasting days, the lower- the faster the weight loss.
JUDDD can also be used (if fasting on raw especially) to cleanse and many use it as a way to achieve an equilibrium.

So if we can achieve a water fast on down days, then it would yield the greatest results far beyond the weight loss!
I am trying to make a list of what i think i would NEED to complete a fast.
ie i know i would want some snack around 3:00, maybe i could get away with a veggie juice instead?, freshly juiced. Which got me thinking...What would YOU want or need to complete a fast successfully?

[Leo41]

Kristina-

You're right--once down and back is considered a 'lap.' I swim in a 25 meter pool, too, but I only do 10 laps in 30 min. I started that number because I swim at 6 am, and when I was working, that's all the time I had in the morning before work. Now that I'm retired, I really should extend the time, but I seem stuck at 10 laps! You're doing great. As a matter of fact, if you do ONE more lap, you'll be swimming a half mile--16 laps=a half mile (there's a chart at my pool that shows the number of laps for quarter, half, and mile).

By the way, I used to work with military officers, and the ones stationed in Belgium told me that you have the best chocolate there! I'm jealous because I love chocolate. I was in Brussels once, but only in the airport making a connection for London, and that was many years ago.

If you're bored, why not visit Paris:-)

[Remykins]

Ok, i need good juju right now, send it my way for the next day please!, pretty, pretty please! or maybe i can borrow someones?

[snaggle]

Remykins-----------------may the good ju-ju blessings fall upon you!!!!

I am VERY interested in those studies you refer to, because I have been under the notion that keeping the up days under more control was my problem more than getting the low days lower but iit sounds like it may be the opposite??? Where did you find that info?
Who did the studies?

Kristina- I haven't had a chance to welcome you, so.......Welcome!!!
You are so lucky to get to live in Europe. Is it permanent?
I will be visiting Belgium soon, I hope. A year and a half ago my father was ill and dying and we found, amongst his stuff, letters from a woman who, although she was born here in Seattle, now resided in Belgium. She was adopted at birth and had been given up by a young woman who never told a soul about her pregnancy except the nuns at the convent where she went to live during her pregnancy. She was born a couple of years before my Dad even met my mom. When this woman researched her birth parents, she found the mom, who then told her that the father was MY DAD. He never acknowledged her, because he didn't believe it, but when she sent us a picture, we KNEW she was our half sister. Looks way more like Dad than any of us!!
Anyway, that is my connection to Belgium. She lives in Liege and teaches at the University. She has two beautiful children who attend university as well.
She came here to meet us and visit a couple of months ago and she loves cooking and food just like all of our family. We spent a lot of time cooking together and bonding etc.
I grew up with 3 brothers and never had a sister, so it has been an amazing experience.


I love Juddd and found that it is a great way for me to enjoy many of the foods I love and still stay on my plan. I know if I stuck to a lower carb regimen, the weight would probably be coming off faster, but what I am doing is working well enough for me and I am so satisfied with it that I don't see myself abandoning it. I never really thought I would make it to my goal but I am now thinking I could do it before November.
Please keep us all posted as to your progress!

[Trishagrrl]

Good evening/morning?

The last couple of days have been not so much fun for me. I'm up for a second night in a row with a sick baby :-(. The ibuprofen must have finally taken effect because now he is laying in bed with me playing with a toy and grinning. He's been sleeping on and off all day long so I'm sure he is probably going to be awake for a while now. Thankfully, my husband for the rest of the weekend so I'm sure he'll watch the my little guys for me tomorrow so I can nap!

I sure didn't feel like having a DD on Thursday. When I'm tired and don't feel good I'd rather eat what I want! But, I did manage to pull it off at 470 calories.

[Leo41]

Good for you, Trish, pulling off a DD when you were tired and not feeling well.

I find that when I'm "off" a little, I feel sorry for myself and want to eat more. There are people who don't eat at all when they're feeling ill, but I've never been one of them. So when I'm not feeling well on a DD, I really struggle, so I appreciate your accomplishment.

[katwhitts]

Hi all! I'm pretty new with this JUDDDD, I tried it halfway before but this time I think it has clicked for me. I have been following a modrerate carb controlled calorie plan for the past 2 months and the scale has been the same or up the past 3 weeks. I thought I would give this a shot and I have lost 3 pounds so far (after my first DD) I'll check back after the next DD and see if this a good plan

[weasel!]

Welcome, katwhitts! I hope this works out well for you.

[Remykins]

Originally Posted by snaggle

Remykins-----------------may the good ju-ju blessings fall upon you!!!!

I am VERY interested in those studies you refer to, because I have been under the notion that keeping the up days under more control was my problem more than getting the low days lower but iit sounds like it may be the opposite??? Where did you find that info?
Who did the studies?

I will get you a complete list (i just have to backtrack to find it), my computer did the cuputz so i get have to do a bit of searching...
But what i did was research JUDDD, which led me to his very commercial website, etc - not the info i was looking for.
Then i stumbled upon a few intermittent fasting types, where people consume 0% of their cals, 20% of their calories, 40%of their calories, and so on, alternating. Then those studies were compared to increasing/decreasing up days (which they dont obviously call up days).
Then they saw their moods, how much they lost, and if it 'cured' any ailments (which what the diets originally claimed, before weight loss was a headline).

There was a book or two as well, all under the stance of fasting, alternately. The concept has been around for many years, johnson was just the one who made it mainstream and gave it a pretty face and threw in the word 'weight loss diet', before it was listed as 'cleansing' and weight loss was a very happy result

ok, off to find my sources again! be back!

[LBishop]

Originally Posted by Remykins

Kristina- im so jealous, i am a belgian beer fanatic, i go to tastings at least once a month, i dream of going on a tour out there. I want to see the monks make my beer

JUDDDers, i have been doing a TON of reading the last couple weeks, and i have found something very important, yet, a bit frustrating for those trying to AWF. If everyone is privy to this information, then please disregard.

Studies show that slightly overeating on the non-fasting days yields similar results compared maintaining lower calories on non-fasting days... what mattered was the fasting days, the lower- the faster the weight loss.
JUDDD can also be used (if fasting on raw especially) to cleanse and many use it as a way to achieve an equilibrium.

So if we can achieve a water fast on down days, then it would yield the greatest results far beyond the weight loss!
I am trying to make a list of what i think i would NEED to complete a fast.
ie i know i would want some snack around 3:00, maybe i could get away with a veggie juice instead?, freshly juiced. Which got me thinking...What would YOU want or need to complete a fast successfully?

Remykins, I have found that my best losses were after the lower DD's, so I do think total water fast would give the best results.

I am convinced that I cannot do fast 5 alone, so have made my husband swear he would not let me eat today. :blush:

[Remykins]

This was one of the first sites i went too ad then jumped from here. There is mention of it here in this blog but only vaguely at the end, although i do like reading his writing, 'it wasn’t so much about total calories as it was about the episodic deprivation.'
Is Intermittent Fasting Healthy? | Mark's Daily Apple
There are a couple studies on how the intermittent fasting will increase HDL but only in woman.
Here is a good article which talks about the specific components of the body workup and the effects of fasting compared to a reduced calorie diet, however, they are talking about mice ☹
Fasting Every Other Day, While Cutting Few Calories, May Reduce Cancer Risk
There is talk in here that even when the participants who were alternate day fasting double their calories on non fasting days in an attempt to not lose weight they were unsuccessful and still lost:
Feast, fast and reduce risks - Los Angeles Times
Here is a little bit more rigorous diet but it mimics Johnsons, they just have a minimum sodium requirement on DD etc.
Diet::QOD Diet::Atkins Diet::Low fat diet::Free online diets::Eating QOD::Healthy diets
This is the one that gives numbers:
Article: "Effects of modified alternate-day fasting regimens on adipocyte size, triglyceride metabolism and plasma adiponectin levels in mice," by Krista A. Varady, D. J. Roohk, Y. C. Loe, B. K. McEvoy-Hein, and M. K. Hellerstein
Effects of modified alternate-day fasting regimens on adipocyte size, triglyceride metabolism, and plasma adiponectin levels in mice -- Varady et al. 48 (10): 2212 -- Journal of Lipid Research

ok, there was one that was totally awesome, but i cant find the stupid thing... grrr. I am goign to keep looking tho!

[Remykins]

Kaywhitts,
WELCOME! i hope you find what you are looking for in this forum, there are very knowledgeable and helpful poeple, feel free to ask any questions (i know i have done my fair share). Good luck on your journey!

[giJ]

Kristina ~~ In my (very) limited time in Europe, I've been impressed with how much English is spoken. My second language is (or was, since I've lost a lot of it) Spanish, so it wasn't much help in Germany/Switzerland/Austria, and I was grateful they all spoke English. My German client took us to an Italian restaurant for lunch, and I got more out of the Italian than the German descriptions! Is Belgium as pretty as Switzerland?

Snaggle ~~ That's so weird about your older "sister". I can't imagine learning something like that after my dad's death.

Trisha ~~ Hope the baby feels better soon.

katwhitts ~~ Welcome!

Leo ~~ You make swimming sound like the perfect exercise. Maybe I'll hit the pool today (though I'm a terrible swimmer!)

Remy ~~ Will the detox from total fasts help your condition (the fat holding the meds) faster? Does it have to be total fast to work?

Leisa ~~ GOOD LUCK TODAY! you can do it. One good day to get you back on track.

[Remykins]

Originally Posted by giJ

Remy ~~ Will the detox from total fasts help your condition (the fat holding the meds) faster? Does it have to be total fast to work?

Ya know, i am not sure. But there are also many studies regarding the growth of cancer cell and fasting, beyond that some say it improve your HDL, etc. I like to see multiple studies done on the same thing before i commit, but may be worth a try? I really want to try for a water fast... for more than just health reasons.

[GME]

Originally Posted by Trishagrrl

I sure didn't feel like having a DD on Thursday. When I'm tired and don't feel good I'd rather eat what I want! But, I did manage to pull it off at 470 calories.

Trish, I hope the baby feels better soon. I have never been one NOT to eat under stress either. It just makes me want to eat more. Great job on pulling off a DD anyway!

Originally Posted by katwhitts

Hi all! I'm pretty new with this JUDDDD, I tried it halfway before but this time I think it has clicked for me. I have been following a modrerate carb controlled calorie plan for the past 2 months and the scale has been the same or up the past 3 weeks. I thought I would give this a shot and I have lost 3 pounds so far (after my first DD) I'll check back after the next DD and see if this a good plan

Welcome katwhitts! We have a great thread going here.

I managed not to do anymore damage after my mid-day debacle yesterday and I even got out for a run in the evening (560 calories worth according to ******) while everyone else ate dinner. I was down a little closer to sig weight this morning so I'll count yesterday as a success.

Have a great day everyone!

[dasiey]

Happy 4th of July everyone.

[NoSugarShell]

Good Afternoon JUDDDers!!

Today, is a water fast for me and it's 2:15 and feeling really strong. I am so anxious to hit VFT.

I have been thinking about getting closer to goal and now that my weight loss has slowed down quite a bit, I think weighing myself everyday is going to be really frustrating. I told hubby that I am going to weigh once a week after a DD, just like Dr. Johnson talks about. So, after I weigh tommorrow morning he is going to hide the scale. I won't weigh again until next Sunday after a DD.

I have started some strength training, something I have never done before, and I believe it's going to cause some water retention and hopefully build some muscle which might make me a little crazy with the scale. It's time to break the scale ADDICTION.

I hope everyone has a great 4th of July. I have a HUGE UD planned tommorrow and going to enjoy every bit of it.

[Remykins]

Originally Posted by NoSugarShell

Good Afternoon JUDDDers!!

Today, is a water fast for me and it's 2:15 and feeling really strong.

I bet you can do it! today i was trying to do AWF, but.... i got up at 3:00am and i could not get back to sleep so i got up. I did mow the lawn and clean the garage, so i treated myself to a 200 calorie treat (already 11 hours awake without food) at 2:00pm, (leftover chicken breast and a tablespoon of pecans with almond milk and a touch of splenda).

protein....check
satifsfied.... yes
bored........always
tempted.........mmhmm
going to eat..........nope!

[oobladee]

Hi All! I am back from vacay in Vegas. I was able to to do two DD's - one traveling there, then another while there.

Today is my first official DD at home. Back on track - and so looking forward to it! There is a silver lining to eating "road food" - yuck, just feel like my poor body deserves so much better. Eating raw spinach this morning, some cantalope - fresh cherries in a minute here. Summertime rocks for this WOE.

Tonight: spaghetti squash with fresh basil?roasted garlic marinara sauce.

[Remykins]

Originally Posted by oobladee

Tonight: spaghetti squash with fresh basil?roasted garlic marinara sauce.

Can i come for dinner??? YUM!

[Leo41]

Michelle-
I think that's a good idea--to break your addiciton to weighing. I had to do that a while back because the JUDDD fluctuations were driving me crazy, and I find weekly weighing to be more satisfying in the long run. I hope you do too.

As you get to goal, are you going to maintain with DD WF? I ask because it seems to me that you're so close now that you should try to get to the plan you'll use for maintenance. Personally, I'd rather add DD calories than try to maintain on WF, but I think it all depends on a person's lifestyle--i.e., JUDDD is so flexible that it works in a lot of ways.

Oobladee-
Congratulations on doing DDs while traveling! I'm planning a 4-day business trip in the fall right now, and I was thinking that DDs while traveling would be a good idea, since the choices available (other than packing my own food) are generally dreadful.

[NoSugarShell]

Leo- I have been thinking about maintenance alot. Right now, I am doing maybe one water fast a week. Not all my DD's are WF. I plan on maintaining with JUDDD and upping my DD calories. I think once in a while I would throw in a WF. Maybe, once every two weeks or so. Maintenance really scares me right now. I have never been able to maintain before, BUT JUDDD has given me so much knowledge that I never had before. I am hoping that will be the difference.