July JUDDDD / Alternate Day Diet 2009

[snaggle]

I was thinking the same thing Dove. That part of the video really stuck out to me this second time I watched. I kept thinking, yeah, mixing it up is EXACTLY what I want to do.
I can totally see that the body may like consistency, but I sure don't believe it NEEDS it. I have felt from early on with JUDDD, that the confusion to the metabolism is what makes it work. The whole SIRT1 thing eludes me, only because it is hard to see or measure, but I can FEEL that my metabolism has not slowed down. My guess is that most of us have come to this woe from being stalled doing a more strict low carb regimen.

Leo- I sure hope your issue is just a temporary and fixable issue. I would be really bummed to think that the body gets used to this woe too, and starts holding onto weight. I am pretty sure that you have been doing it the longest of us, am I right??
I am into the 4th month of juddd and have never successfully continued losing past that point in my life. I still want to lose 15 more lbs, so I am anxiously watching what happens with you. I'm pulling for you hon!!

Got to 1/2 lb into vft today. I am excited for a big beach weekend this weekend, then our big camping trip starting in a week. My goal is to keep the gains to 3 lbs over that period. I do not plan to do JUDDD strictly. Just hope to make good choices and exercise a lot. I will be able to squeeze in two dd's next week in between, which I hope will keep me from total disaster.so

[NoSugarShell]

Good Morning JUDDDers!!

UD for me today, yea!!! I am fast fiving it and waiting till 2pm to eat. That will give me a window of 2-7. I haven't been doing a strict fast five and I realize I lose better when I do. I am hanging in there. My stomach is growling so loud people at work can hear it..lol. Also, going to lower my carbs a little bit. I normally don't watch them too much, although out of habit I stay away from really high carb foods. I think that will help.

I WANNA see some VFT...........

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by Allieglover

Hi everyone, I'm new to JUDDD but not LCF. I just started JUDDD Monday and so far I love it! Heres some back ground:

I did low carb a couple years ago and got down to my goal weight and stayed there for a long time until the beginning of this year when I was on a medicine that made me gain weight. I'm now off that medicine.

Now I'm up to 180lbs the highest I've ever been in my life. I just didn't have the drive to go back to strict Atkins so now I'm doing JUDDD.

My goal weight is to get back to 145lbs which is good for me because I'm 5'9 and any lighter I look too skinny.

I'm so happy to join everyone! Yesterday was my first down day and I made it with just 500 calories. No matter how hungry I was I just kept telling myself I can wait one day. And today I wasn't even that hungry like I thought I would be. I can definately stick to this way of eating forever!

HI ALLIE!! Welcome to the thread. Glad you're liking the plan so far. Do you have the book? Keep us posted on your progress!

Originally Posted by weasel!

Allieglover, welcome! Keep us in the loop how you are doing!

Maryann, thanks for posting the youtube link. Very interesting. The "success story" woman, Heidi, said she alternated between 500 and 1500 calories. I think those are awfully low UDs, myself. She didn't seem to know a whole lot about nutrition, but then again, who does, generally speaking.

Then there was Dr. Johnson, citing Walter Willett, who has singlehandly done incalculable damage to the nation's health through his food pyramidiot advocacy. Thanks to Leo's warning, I wasn't surprised to hear that's what Dr. J. thought of as sound nutritional advice. However, I could see the point he was making, which was that his nutritional perspective is mainstream and not kooky, at least not kooky like the naysayer doc was trying to paint him.

Meantime, Doctor No's criticism about revving up your metabolism and then shutting it down didn't make a lot of sense in the context of Success Woman, because 1500 calories is not exactly "revving up."

But notice that Success Woman was tremendously vague about how much she ate and didn't count calories on UDs, she said. My theory is that perhaps she ate a lot more than 1500, but was embarrassed to admit it. Maybe she ate more like 2000 or 2500, a normal amount for an adult woman, and maybe she think this sounds like too much. After all, she was 42 pounds overweight to begin with, and I don't think she got that way by eating 1500 calories a day. If the crux of the Alternate Day diet is that on UDs you eat what you normally would have eaten on a given day, then she probably ate more than 1500.

Now on to Registered Dietician lady. Oh, boy, did she ever look to me like someone who has had way too much plastic surgery. After Dr. Naysayer blasted Dr. J for being an accomplished plastic surgeon of 30 years, I wanted Mike and Juliet to ask Dr. Johnson for his opinion of her face job! Ooh, is that too snarky? I'm sorry, I just have a hard time being charitable towards any RDs save for the precious few who are pro-LC!

Originally Posted by GME

I decided not to AWF today. DH & DS ordered Chinese and I had some fried rice, tuna and a SF popsicle- for a grand total of 496 cals. I actually felt a little overfull if you can believe that on a DD.

Allieglover

Leo, spread that genius thing around will ya? I keep telling people, but they don't always listen.

Thanks for that review! I remember we discussed the video a coupla months ago and it sounds like we're all on the same page as far as our feelings about it... Dr. J NOTHING like the revolutionary genius Dr. A was but I do appreciate him putting this plan back out there in its newest form (Like many effective weight loss methods this plan has been around in the past under different names) and Dr. J sure did nothing to help his cause with that show.

Originally Posted by LBishop

Hi everyone. Sorry to be so MIA but it's not going to be any better till next week. Crazy busy here but I wanted to check in. I think I"m getting my thyroid under control and it's making me feel TONS better. I've had some really off day the last couple of weeks but after one DD today, I'm only about 3 pounds up from my profile weight. I'm thrilled with that. I had to skip over about 4 pages of thread so I'll try to catch up on those at some point. Hope everyone is well and welcome to any newcomers in the last few days. I'm hanging in there and still lovin' JUDDD!

Glad you're feeling better! Post when you get a chance.

Originally Posted by Leo41

I didn't see that video clip because I don't have enough bandwidth for video, but I've seen the M&J show in the past, and Vesna's description gave me a good idea of this interview.

I agree that unless that woman had an UD planned out for her at 1500 calories and ate the same food every UD, there's no way she could claim to have been eating only 1500 cal without counting. I count (and am a real pro at it from years of experience, and I'm still amazed at how quickly those calories add up on an UD. Unless you typically ate very, very little (and who then would be overweight?), I think it would be impossible to limit to 1500 cal without counting.

I seem to be really stalled this month, but I should get the results of my blood test either today or tomorrow, so I'll see if it's the thyroid. If it isn't, I'm going to have to find a way to "change up" with JUDDD to get things moving downward again.

Ugh. Stalls are the worst. I personally haven't seen VFT in several months although we all know the reason is my thyroid "crash". I'm hopeful to get back down there soon.

Originally Posted by GME

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I had high hopes for VFT this morning. My weight was pretty low for after an UD yesterday morning, I had a good DD, I "felt" thinner when I woke up... but no. Still .5 lb up from my low on, get this, June 21.

It was like this when I finally broke 200 too. One day was 200.5. Then 200.3.....200.2 .......200.0. Then finally I dropped straight to 198 I think.

I'm going for my annual today and I'm going to ask her to test my thyroid. I know I need more than just the TSH. I'll do some searching to figure out what to ask her to do.

It's an UD for me and I can't figure out what to eat. I went to sleep last night thinking about a smoothie, but now, meh.

Have a great day everyone!

OMG You're soooooo close! I'm still up one LB off VFT this morning too though for me this is morning after UD so I'm also pretty darn hopeful. This lose lose lose long plateau weight loss pattern seems to be how my journey goes. I'm just DYING to get into another losing streak and drop at least another ten pounds relatively quick. Here's hoping LOL

[Ilpirata]

I cam in RIGHT ON my target max yesterday 2003 cals for the day:

Calories 2,003
Fat 159.0 1,412 71 %
Monounsaturated 52.1 460 23 %
Carbohydrate 31.1 116 6 %
Dietary Fiber 9.3
Protein 111.1 460 23 %
Alcohol 0.0 0 0 %

I ate the bulk of those calories during lunch and just had 3 slices of pre cooked bacon and one slice of pastrami during the rest of the day. I went to a show last night and also had a meeting after work so I didn't have time to eat more later.

This a.m. scale still showing 189 which is bizarro cuz I'm normally up at least three pounds after UD. It really keeps me motivated to have a GREAT DD today... Maybe VFT tomorrow a.m. or at least match my siggy weight.

I just checked in ****** and I haven't recorded VFT since 05/11/09 so going on three months now! I've had SEVERAL off long weekends and also a thyroid crash out (major) and med redosing so I'm not at all surprised to see that. I REALLY feel like my body is gearing up to do another relative quick drop in weight. Um, I'm the Sylvia Brown of weight loss now lol... I just FEEL IT coming!

[Dovelette]

Originally Posted by nitenurse

Question_what is "double dipping" I see referred to, I am asuming it is not something rude with a potato chip lol?

Lets see if I can explain it lol.

Okay, if I put my numbers in the "calorie calculator" and select "no activity" or sedentary, it tells me I can eat a maximum of (hypothetically) 1800 calories a day. If I put my numbers in the "calorie calculator" and select "moderately active" it says I can eat a maximum of 2300 calories a day (on my up days).

If I am moderately active and I eat 2300 calories today, and THEN go work out and burn 500 calories, it doesn't mean I can then eat those 500 calories - my calories for the should still be at or under 2300, not 2800. Those calories I burned were already accounted for when I entered my activity as "moderately active."

So...if you set your activity level to anything other than sedentary really, and also "eat" your exercise calories on top of that, that's double dipping.

[nitenurse]

Thanks for the answers, all of you. I am doing the dd every other day, instead of mwf, and think it is doing better, I have a machine that measures body fat, I I have lost 16#, 8 of which are actual body fat, other part is a lot of water, when starting. This is in 6 weeks. But if I could keep up that body fat loss-wheee!.
I am eating less on my up days, though I am not counting cals, we are all different and that makes me absolutely crazy and obscessive. I make sure I eat something that is low carb and that I like on the up days. Still use the protein shakes for breakfast and late night snack and that seems to work for me.
Thanks again, I don't read all the posts, I have limited time on the computer, but you all are very inspiring.

[spiralsky]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Wow! So many new posts everyone who is new to JUDDD!

Spiralsky--thanks for that news about increasing exercise. It came at the perfect time for me. For years I've been swimming just 10 laps in our 25 meter pool because it takes me 30 min., and that's all the time I had when I was working. Lately, I've been trying to do the laps faster, and that doesn't seem to work. No matter how 'fast' I think I'm swimming, when I check the clock at the end, it's always 30 min--or close to. Then I realized that I'm retired and no longer constrained by time, so I added laps. Now I'm swimming 12 each time. My goal is to get up to 16. It's nice to know that the added laps will help burn fat.

Hey Leo Great job on progressing with your exercise! I've found that if I can't go as fast as I would like, I can still keep it steady and moderate and make it to 42 minutes. If I went too fast, it would be harder, but I'm thinking that by keeping it steady and still sweating, I am doing better by going past 40 minutes than going too fast and having to stop at 30.

[cagmom]

Hi Ladies

Sorry I had to leave the thread so quickly DH wanted to get out before the cesspool man came, to see what wrong with the cesspool,its the leaguing fields,were the problem lies.Hope so as a new cesspool cost around $25000.

Cagmom: You don't HAVE to just eat shakes on your DD during the 2 week induction. The thing that is crucial is that you stay under 500 calories. Dr. J suggests shakes because that is a very easy way to keep track of calories. I tried shakes on my first 2 DD's and just couldn't stomach them. I'd rather watch carefully what I eat on my DD's.

TRISHThanks,I thought it was part of the DD to have shakes. So I'm going to look for low cal foods for my next DD meal this Saturday.According to the calculate my DD is not higher than 417. Is that OK or should I try to go lower????

Cag,good job yesterday

DREAMER GIRL-Thanks,sorry you had a tummy ache,I have ACV but its not mothers.Will that do the same with lowering the appetite????

Maryann, I think the body does NOT get used to having a DD right after an UD. I think that is the key to how this diet works. Your body adjusts to eating a small amount day after day after day; that's one reason people's weight loss slows and stalls, I think. Dr. Naysayer was complaining about how this diet shakes up the metabolism, and I was hoping Dr. J. would come back with a defense of how metabolism-shaking is exactly the point. No such luck.

WEASEL-Oh, So I'm going to feel hungry the morning I wake up after a UD correct??? I was hoping that that would disappear,knowing that I'm going to have a full meal the next day. I know I couldn't understand why Dr.Johnson wasn't defending this diet.As I been cycling my calories for 2 months now,over at the portion control/calorie counting thread and it worked slowly, so extreme shifting should definitely work.

Yes! My thoughts exactly! In fact, didn't she say she alternated between 250 and 1500? (I'm at work, so I can't watch it again until tonight.) Why DID they bring her out, instead of someone who really followed the plan: 500 or more on DDs, and eating well, as the diet promises, on UDs?

WEASEL-I watched the video again and the girl had graham cracker coffee for breakfast night for lunch and a entree or something that had calories marked on the product was for her dinner on the DD. It took her 6 months to lose from 165 to 120 she calms to have 250 on the DD and 1500 on the UP.To me that's isn't healthy and when they asked Dr Johnson he said that the diets should follow to DR. Willett. She must be a model of some sort,and according to me she really tweaks the plan to get that thin.

Plus with that interview, they didn't explain that your calories will be determined by your height, weight, age and activity level, plus that yes, the plan may be forever BUT the calorie cycling gets less extreme, PLUS that woman was a HORRIBLE spokesperson...

DOVE-I would like to see a good video of the diet,as it didn't explain to a new comer looking over the diet plan what it was all about.

Cagmom, Congrats on your successful UD. Those can be harder than the seem. DDs don't really get easier I don't think. You just get used to them.

GME-Thanks for the congrats,Hopefully I will find the DD is getting easier as I just finished my dinner and I have 5 hrs before the next meal.


Have to go,again as I have to speak to the owner of the unit in our building about the cesspool.Will be back later

[spiralsky]

Hi Ladies,

I'm not sure what my plan is today - it's the first time since starting alternating that I don't really have a plan, which feels a little strange!

Yesterday, I water fasted up till around 2pm, almost 22 hours, then broke it with decaf with creamer. Before dinner, an apple, a light, dinner salad with tuna steak. But after dinner - I transformed it into yet another UD. Now it's 11 AM and I'm drinking decaf with creamer and thinking I should just have that salad for dinner again tonight and call it a DD. Sheesh!

Ah well, even with the extra calories I've had beyond the JUDDD plan, at least I got in a water fast, which hopefully will still keep my SIRT1 building up.

One thing I'd like to try to do over the next two weeks is more of the Fit For Life kind of thing where you're eating mostly salads and only one bit of starch or protein with your meals... keep it light. I'm on the last 2 weeks of an herbal cleanse and I'd love to take advantage of that with a lot of fresh, raw foods. If I do that, my calories will be a little lower... but it would only be temporary. I just hope I have the willpower and drive, and am ready, not to eat refined stuff and sugar!!!

Oh, a couple responses to what a couple of people had said a few pages back with the food combining - yes, the fit for life menu is totally low cal, if you think about it, they're advocating a life of mainly fruit and salad, and just a bit of protein and starch! I wouldn't want to go as low as that on a regular basis! But to get used to eating a big lunch or dinner salad is definitely a good habit. And someone else had mentioned the Hollywood diet - I think that one is called the Beverly Hills diet. By Judy Mazel ****NOTE: these are not diets recommended in the JUDDD plan **** The Beverly Hills diet is another food combining diet that also has an extreme weight loss plan at the start which has to do with a lot of fruit fasting! Sure, people drop tons of weight. But I don't think I could do that! I'd rather go slower and steadier and lose it by eating normal food, which will be at a healthy calorie level. Unless it's for semi-annual cleansing purposes.

Hopefully I'll be able to get back into the groove here... NO REFINED STUFF OR SUGAR!!! That's the most important thing for me and the most difficult! Sugar totally messes me up for days, and so does the refined stuff, which is why it's so hard to stop.

Dinner salad tonight, and a healthy UD tomorrow, maybe only 2000 calories or so. I can hope!

[cagmom]

Hi I'm Back for the third time sorry about that.When you run a business at home we always have interruptions.

Cagmom-
As Trish explained, you don't HAVE to do shakes even the first two weeks. Dr. J recommends them because he doesn't think people estimate calories well, and the 500 limit is especially important during those first 2 weeks. HOWEVER, he underestimates us because I'm great a calorie counting. In fact, I don't eat anything on a DD unless I know exactly how many calories are involved.

I began with shakes because I thought they'd be a good way to get enough protein in on a DD. But I was very hungry; I need solid food. In addition, all artificial sweeteners (I've discovered) stimulate hunger in me, so shakes are a bad idea. I may use them after my workout on UDs, but I avoid them on DDs. So if you want to have food now and know you can stay at 500 cal., go right ahead.

Here are some tips for DDs--

I drink a lot of hot tea (I drink it plain with no sweetener, so it's zero calories), and I find it helps control hunger. I've also made homemade chicken broth and will have that with some hot sauce added and perhaps some chopped spinach. Two cups of that will be only about 50 cal. and is very filling. I use that in the evening for my 'meal' if I'm particularly hungry. For protein, I use fish (e.g., frozen mahi mahi has only 150 cal for a 6oz portion), sardines, shrimp (4 oz only 115 cal), salmon (wild in a pouch has just 70 cal for 3 oz), or tuna. I also buy grass-fed bison which is only about 40 cal per oz, so a 'quarter pounder" has just 160 cal. and is very filling.

I always PLAN both DDs and UDs in advance to insure that I have the food I need and that I don't go over with calories. A lot of folks here eat only once a day on DDs to have more of a 'meal,' but I need to eat 3x, so my 'meals' are more like snacks--i.e., about 100-150 cal only. But that's what works for me.

As you figure out what works best for you, you'll get really comfortable with JUDDD.

LEO-Thanks for all the information you provided for me along with the DD tips, I really appreciate your help. .Its now 2 hrs before my next DD meals and I'm not hungry at all. Before on other diets I would be looking for a snack of some kind.but I don't need one this time around. If by any case can I have a snack between meals in the DD or UD's???? I wasn't sure,I'm guess only of I can fit it in my low calorie days,correct????

Thanks for that review! I remember we discussed the video a coupla months ago and it sounds like we're all on the same page as far as our feelings about it... Dr. J NOTHING like the revolutionary genius Dr. A was but I do appreciate him putting this plan back out there in its newest form (Like many effective weight loss methods this plan has been around in the past under different names) and Dr. J sure did nothing to help his cause with that show.

ILPIRATA-Sorry I didn't know that you reviewed the tape before,but I can't understand if the diet works why he didn't defend it. To me that doesn't make sense. Thought this was new diet,what other names was it under????

Now I going to sign off for the day.I'm a golf addict and the games is just going to start.Have a nice afternoon & evening.

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by dreamer girl

Dasiey what a beautiful g-babyWelcome, cristaljoyI didn't do so well on my Dd yesterday.I had 700 calories instead of 500I am going to eat lower calories today than I normally do on an UD and have a good DD tomorrow.I want to see that scale go down on SunI think I need to drink more water on my DD's too so I won't be so hungry.I really haven't been doing that

Originally Posted by Trishagrrl

Happy Wednesday JUDDD'ers,

Rough night for me last night, not much sleep. I think I'm going to forego the gym today (though I feel like a total slacker doing it). It's a DD for me and I know I'm going to need my energy just to get through the day.

Dove: Sounds like a very complementary plan to JUDDD. Actually, when I lift weights on DD's thats fairly similar to how I eat. I typically have a protein shake (1/2 before and 1/2 after working out). Then I typically eat a chicken breast and salad or veggie at dinner.

Cagmom: Congrats on the 4 lb weight loss. I'm sure a big part of your cruise weight gain was water, but I know it's always nice to see it come off.

Dasiey: Beautiful beautiful baby picture!

Scanalouslyglam: What's the fat secret iced tea?! I love iced tea, makes me wonder if I can lose some weight just by drinking some special tea

thank you

[Leo41]

Maryann-

You can have snacks or whatever on UDs and DDs--there are no real 'rules' about when or what to eat on JUDDD. I eat low carb for health (and to control my appetite), but you can eat whatever you wish. I also emphasize protein and fat because I have a great deal to lose and don't want to lose much muscle if I can help it. But a lot of people emphasize volume (salads and veggies) to feel full. It's entirely up to you, and, yes, you should use the DD number that you get from the calculator. There's no reason to try to go lower.

Snaggle-
Yes, Kisha and I started this at about the same time [about 6 mos ago] and for the same reason. We were both experiencing awful stalls. I refuse to give up on this; I'm sure that my body is just resisting. It's been fat all my life, so that's what it wants, but it's not going to get its way!

Spiralsky-
I wanted to up my exercise to jog my metabolism (my endo's idea), and I realized that my 10 laps was my standard simply because when I was working that's all the time I had. Now that I'm retired, I can spend more time at the pool as needed. I just can't swim faster, but I can go forever, so this morning I did 16 laps, which is a half mile. And the odd thing is that recently I've been wiped out after swimming, but today I felt energized, so perhaps I did push my metabolism up a little. One can always hope!

[Trishagrrl]

Thank you all for your encouraging words! I know the only reason I'm not putting on weight is because I'm sticking to this plan. I feel like such a complainer lately. I apologize, I know I sound like a broken record (no weight loss, tired, blah blah blah).

I have got to get something to eat soon. I'm so hungry and it's an UD! Problem is, I haven't been to the store in so long. I try to avoid the store on DD and UD's have been so busy I haven't had a chance to get there. I should get something in the next hour before we leave to look at houses because after that we'll be gone for several hours!

[spiralsky]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Maryann-

You can have snacks or whatever on UDs and DDs--there are no real 'rules' about when or what to eat on JUDDD. I eat low carb for health (and to control my appetite), but you can eat whatever you wish. I also emphasize protein and fat because I have a great deal to lose and don't want to lose much muscle if I can help it. But a lot of people emphasize volume (salads and veggies) to feel full. It's entirely up to you, and, yes, you should use the DD number that you get from the calculator. There's no reason to try to go lower.

I'm liking the volume thing, but I always throw in a little healthy oil or butter to at least get a bit of satiety from fat...

Snaggle-[/B]
Yes, Kisha and I started this at about the same time [about 6 mos ago] and for the same reason. We were both experiencing awful stalls. I refuse to give up on this; I'm sure that my body is just resisting. It's been fat all my life, so that's what it wants, but it's not going to get its way!

I'm with you on the stalls. I lose, then maintain at around that loss for a while before I lose again. I've been in this 141 range with some bounces for around two months. But that's not too bad now that I think about it, it just seems like a lot longer. The body really does resist.

Spiralsky-
I wanted to up my exercise to jog my metabolism (my endo's idea), and I realized that my 10 laps was my standard simply because when I was working that's all the time I had. Now that I'm retired, I can spend more time at the pool as needed. I just can't swim faster, but I can go forever, so this morning I did 16 laps, which is a half mile. And the odd thing is that recently I've been wiped out after swimming, but today I felt energized, so perhaps I did push my metabolism up a little. One can always hope!

Awesome! Good job with the endurance. I too notice a wonderful feeling after moderate rate but longer cardio! It's becoming addictive. If I have the energy, I like to throw in a few bursts of speed in there, but if I don't have the energy, I just go moderate but steady.

[oobladee]

Hello All!

Turns out this is going to be an UD! I was trying for a Fast 5, but got distractingly hungry late morning, gave in a little while ago and pretty much snapped. Blew. It.

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by oobladee

Hello All!

Turns out this is going to be an UD! I was trying for a Fast 5, but got distractingly hungry late morning, gave in a little while ago and pretty much snapped. Blew. It.

You know what, its OK! Try to make healthy choices for the rest of this UP DAY and start a fresh new DD tomorrow. ITS OK!

[dasiey]

when you do fast 5. Does that mean you eat all your calories in 5 hours. like 3p-8p. and if you had cream in your coffee in the early am. Does that mean you blew it.

[oobladee]

Ilpirata: Thanks, Dude! I will do as you suggest: eat nothing uch the rest of the day. I can't say I am "kicking myself" over it today, just sum truth in reporting. I broke my own "rule", too...I too an 80 minute hard bike ride this morning on a day I planned to fast more. I took one on Tuesday also and did not struggle with hunger - prolly lucky that I did not. Usually DD's I try for more kinder gentler conditioning things like yoga.

Daisey: yes, if I read Fast 5 right, absolutely nothing for the 19 hours in between. But hey, if you see scale movement doing your cream/coffee, why not.

To All who wrote on body liking consistency: I absolutely agree that we should trip up our bodies more by switching gears a lot. I attribute this to my body, like others here, that stops losing at a point in any plan I can name. I plateau and wow, no matter what i do, nothing elses comes of it.

My nutrition training speaks a lot on homeostatsis - which is exactly the body on a cellular level trying to "program" or become consistent with all events we throw out. When we starve it too long, it will program in conservation of fuel burning;when we then over eat we become fat storing machines. When it does not know what to expect, it will learn to be more flexible.

[weasel!]

Originally Posted by cagmom

WEASEL-Oh, So I'm going to feel hungry the morning I wake up after a UD correct??? I was hoping that that would disappear,knowing that I'm going to have a full meal the next day. I know I couldn't understand why Dr.Johnson wasn't defending this diet.As I been cycling my calories for 2 months now,over at the portion control/calorie counting thread and it worked slowly, so extreme shifting should definitely work.

I've been getting hungry around 1 or 2 pm on DDs.

I started up a carb and calorie cycling challenge in March 2008. Here's the thread:
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/lo...t-weather.html

It didn't work for me. As far as I could tell, no one on the challenge got really great results.

[Leo41]

Vesna-

I read the beginning of your carb/calorie cycling approach, and I'm going to try a high carb meal tomorrow (an UD) for a couple of reasons:

1. My thyroid T3 is down to half of the range (should be 2/3-3/4), and I suspect it's my low calories/low carb that's doing it. It's probably not enough for my endo to increase meds (although I plan to ask him) because my other numbers are all fine. But I think this is one of the reasons I've been stalled lately. When the T3 drops, one can't lose weight. In fact, if it gets too low, I'd begin to gain regardless of how low I kept calories and carbs.

2. A few years ago, I read an article by a physician who worked with Dr. Atkins (forgot his name) who argued that anyone doing serious low carb needs a high carb meal about once a month to 6 weeks in order for the body to respond to low carb best. He gave all the science behind his theory, and while it was convincing, I don't recall it now, but it was similar to your cycling info.

I haven't had any significant carbs in quite a while, so if this theory is true, it might help raise my T3 and get me losing again. It's worth a try.

[weasel!]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Thanks for that review! I remember we discussed the video a coupla months ago and it sounds like we're all on the same page as far as our feelings about it... Dr. J NOTHING like the revolutionary genius Dr. A was but I do appreciate him putting this plan back out there in its newest form (Like many effective weight loss methods this plan has been around in the past under different names) and Dr. J sure did nothing to help his cause with that show.

I searched for the earlier discussion and I found some in #50 and #54 on this page, for anyone who wants to check out more insights on the clip. Maybe this is the earlier conversation you were referring to.

FOR TWEAKERS ONLY February, 2009

[weasel!]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Vesna-

I read the beginning of your carb/calorie cycling approach, and...

If you found that interesting, you might also try:

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ma...eed-input.html

[dreamer girl]

Another rough DD yesterday I ate 650 cal.instead of 500.I think I'll start eating a lot more veg.as they have fewer calories and I can eat more often.I get a really sick feeling and dizzy and then I have to eat SOMETHING!It's almost like I'm hyperglycemic,which I'm not.I wound up eating a spoonful of P'nut butter and felt betterI'm not going to beat myself up over this as right now I'm still losingI think my body is just having a hard time getting use to less foodI'll try again for 500 cals.tomorrow

[Ricci_DOLL]

hi everyone...i haven' t read the rules for JUDDD in depth yet. i'm interested so i'm hovering for now.

Happy Friday!

[cagmom]

Good Morning Ladies

Woke up to another new UD and I wasn't hungry at all from the DD night before,and was surprised that I lost another pound so now I have 3 more pound to get back to my pre-cruise weight.

WOW this JUDDD is really working for me, finally I know of a method that will bring me down.

Another Question for you ladies do you exercise on the DD I haven't so far. Whats you advice about spinning or power walking on those days?????


LEO-Than ks for your answer to my question. I did have a slice of turkey breast & 1 tb of PB for a evening snack.

I've been getting hungry around 1 or 2 pm on DDs.

I started up a carb and calorie cycling challenge in March 2008. Here's the thread:
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/lo...t-weather.html

WEASEL-Thanks for the thread I book market it and when I have time I read it. I seem to get hungry when watching tv in the evenings. I guess my body knows that its going to be long time before breakfast.
Before this WOE I always got hungry around 3PM & 8PM but the 3 PM has stopped. I guess drinking all the shakes & water is keeping me full in the afternoons.

Another rough DD yesterday I ate 650 cal.instead of 500.I think I'll start eating a lot more veg.as they have fewer calories and I can eat more often.I get a really sick feeling and dizzy and then I have to eat SOMETHING!It's almost like I'm hyperglycemic,which I'm not.I wound up eating a spoonful of P'nut butter and felt betterI'm not going to beat myself up over this as right now I'm still losingI think my body is just having a hard time getting use to less foodI'll try again for 500 cals.tomorrow

DREAMER GIRL-Don't get depressed over a few extra calories on your DD. I have done that to,and I still losing. Hows about eating protein like 1 sl deli turkey breast or roast beef. That what I did last night along with PB and it filled me up,with out having the dizzy feeling like I did at my 1st DD,and its morning I lost another pound.


RICCI DOLL- come on in and get your feet wet,the water is fine and I don't see any rough waves just a rippling sea

[Dovelette]

Need a suggestion. Yesterday was an UP, today is supposed to be a DD. It's 12 30 and I'm doing fine. But there is a colleague in town that wants to get together tonight and we're going to do that. Normally I would say just keep it a DD anyway, with Saturday being an UD and Sunday a DD...BUT...I also need to "swap" days so Sunday is an UD (I am learning how to make a local dish from a neighbor and need to be able to eat it at the end lol). So...do I just do two UDs in a row, yesterday and today, DD Saturday and UD Sunday? Or make today an MD, and if so, do you guys have trouble doing a DD after a MD? I'm worried that I'll be really hungry tmw if today is a MD, but I have no idea. I guess really it's already 1pm though...

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Vesna-

I read the beginning of your carb/calorie cycling approach, and I'm going to try a high carb meal tomorrow (an UD) for a couple of reasons:

1. My thyroid T3 is down to half of the range (should be 2/3-3/4), and I suspect it's my low calories/low carb that's doing it. It's probably not enough for my endo to increase meds (although I plan to ask him) because my other numbers are all fine. But I think this is one of the reasons I've been stalled lately. When the T3 drops, one can't lose weight. In fact, if it gets too low, I'd begin to gain regardless of how low I kept calories and carbs.

2. A few years ago, I read an article by a physician who worked with Dr. Atkins (forgot his name) who argued that anyone doing serious low carb needs a high carb meal about once a month to 6 weeks in order for the body to respond to low carb best. He gave all the science behind his theory, and while it was convincing, I don't recall it now, but it was similar to your cycling info.

I haven't had any significant carbs in quite a while, so if this theory is true, it might help raise my T3 and get me losing again. It's worth a try.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO EAT!?!?!?! (Um yeah I'm a little excited for you LOL)

Originally Posted by Ricci_DOLL

hi everyone...i haven' t read the rules for JUDDD in depth yet. i'm interested so i'm hovering for now.

Happy Friday!

Welcome Doll & Happy Hovering (for now)

Originally Posted by Dovelette

Need a suggestion. Yesterday was an UP, today is supposed to be a DD. It's 12 30 and I'm doing fine. But there is a colleague in town that wants to get together tonight and we're going to do that. Normally I would say just keep it a DD anyway, with Saturday being an UD and Sunday a DD...BUT...I also need to "swap" days so Sunday is an UD (I am learning how to make a local dish from a neighbor and need to be able to eat it at the end lol). So...do I just do two UDs in a row, yesterday and today, DD Saturday and UD Sunday? Or make today an MD, and if so, do you guys have trouble doing a DD after a MD? I'm worried that I'll be really hungry tmw if today is a MD, but I have no idea. I guess really it's already 1pm though...

Well Dr. J says to NOT do two DDs in a row but two UDs in a row is okay. Personally I have done UD MD DD with no problem... it SEEMS like it would be a problem but I've done it just fine. for me the challenge is more in pulling of the MD than the DD lol.

[NoSugarShell]

Hey guys-

Dove - I have done DD's with no problem after a moderate day.

Leo - I wanna know what you are going to eat too.

Well, I had a fantastic UD yesterday and kept it pretty low carb. This morning I was down .2 from my DD weight. Losing after an UD is usually a really good sign. Hoping to get back to siggy very soon. I am still 2 lbs higher. I am going to have a pretty big UD tommorrow, but after that I really do not have any social obligations for awhile, so should be true alternation and strictly on plan. Hoping to see VFT very soon.

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by Ricci_DOLL

hi everyone...i haven' t read the rules for JUDDD in depth yet. i'm interested so i'm hovering for now.

Happy Friday!

[Ricci_DOLL]

I visited the dr's site to calculate my induction DD intake. Since my only internet access at present is my psp, it doesn't register when i click the calculate button.

This may sound silly, but Is there anybody willing to do it for me?

5'1" 29 year old female 160lbs moderate exercise