July JUDDDD / Alternate Day Diet 2009

[oobladee]

cagmom: I would tweak and see if it works! In my mind, transferring 170 cals from a DD to an UD or the other way around is no big deal. Our bodies really are not that sensitive! Also, as far as I have deduced: this works b/c we are reducing calories over the weekly intake; there is no hocus pocus on the fasting happening.

I am 52 and my DD's have not been real low...I have not weighed yet, but I feel like I have lost doing so. I will confirm and let you know if my "high end" DD's did mess me up! It's not been a full month yet.

[Dovelette]

I'm calling it a night - I went about 100 calories over today and am ok with that, I pretty much had a veggie feast all day with some chicken and a protein shake thrown in for good measure lol. Breakfast was a shake, lunch (at 3) was some zucchini sauteed in a teflon pan with some cajun seasoning, I did have a couple pieces of hard candy which is pretty much what put me over on my cals, and then for dinner I had stir fried cabbage, carrots and onion with chicken in a soy/ginger/hot sauce. Very VERY filling, I probably didn't even need to eat as much as I did! Happy I didn't feel like I needed to eat more on my lifting day (although I guess I technically did eat more, hmm...but I didn't need an UD).

Living and learning!

[Leo41]

Gina-

Great that you didn't gain while away! I know you did a lot of physical activity, but sometimes the change in eating can cause a (temporary) gain that can be SO depressing. So it's great that you held on.

I drank Powerade Zero when I was prepping for my last colonoscopy--and it does taste great. In fact, I mixed the icky powder that I had to drink in that, and I think that helped me get (and keep) it down.

[Trishagrrl]

I finished my day with 480 calories. I was hoping to do an AWF, but I got so hungry this afternoon. I decided to go ahead and eat. I also got a good workout in at the gym this morning.

Regarding the conversation on electrolytes I'd encourage those interested in learning more about replenishing electrolytes in the best, most natural way possible to give a look at this article: Rob Declares War on Gatorade. To summarize, it's WAY better to be drinking a 40%apple juice to 60% water combination than to drink any commercially prepared drinks. They are loaded with way too much sodium.

Dove: I've found that when lifting on DD I can't do as much as on UD. I have recently switched my DD to Sun, Tues, Thurs so I don't have to worry about that problem as my lift days are M, W, F. I like to be able to eat something with protein before working out (eggs, yogurt, etc) as well as have my protein drink afterward (I use nectar because it has 0 carbs and 0 fat). When I DO have a DD where I lift (like today) I don't have my pre-workout meal and have 1/2 scoop of the protein to keep my calories low.

Gina: Great job holding steady while gone . That's great you were able to keep from putting on any pounds! I hope you enjoyed yourself.

Cagmom: I think that having a few more calories on your DD will eventually be an option for you since you don't have to stay in the 20% weight loss mode while doing this diet. If you can lose doing 25% or 30%, then go for it! BUT, I do know that Dr. J says that it is vital the first 2 weeks that you stay under 500 calories. Get through those first 2 weeks and then up your calories some if that helps you stick to plan!

[snaggle]

Hi everybody and welcome to the newcomers.We have so many intelligent people contributing to this thread. I feel so lucky to get to read all your posts.

I had two pretty big up days friday and sunday. Lately that has been an issue and I need to really try and get them down a bit, but luckily I am still having no problems getting right back to good dd's. Last week I was up a couple lbs but TOM came friday, so that was to be expected. Hopefully I will get back to my low by Thurs. and not be too bad this coming weekend at the beach.

I too, have been down the food combining road. Ooobladee, I did that fit for life diet back around 1988 I think. I lost 20 lbs, then lost focus. I remember that besides the whole fruit alone thing, that it was very low fat. I am sure, in retrospect, that the reason I lost weight was because my calories were super low. I have my food journal somewhere, but I think it was something like 900 cal a day when I actually calculated it.

I am now feeling very different about diets, food, etc. and really credit juddd for getting me here. I do not have any more "rules" about what foods I can and cannot have and believe, at least for myself, that the whole combining (or as Weasel says, "separating") thing is just a gimmick and not anything I can ever stick with for life. I am really trying to just eat the foods I want to eat on up days and having one healthy light meal on down days. The hardest thing for me is not quantity, but quality. My goal is to eat only whole unprocessed foods and to avoid sugar, but I am still struggling with both at times.
I truly feel that the down days are the key to my success, but that the ups are what can lead to failure if that makes any sense.

[spiralsky]

Hi Ladies,

Sorry I haven't checked in in a day or so, I'm falling behind in my reading of this thread, but I wanted to give a quick progress report:

Yesterday's DD was successful, 435 cals, which became -8 cals after my exercise. Today's UD was great. I had 2 deserts, 1200 unnecessary calories, but still came in below 2500, with another 600 cals of low fat oatmeal fudge brownies in the fridge waiting for my next UD ... after exercise my total today was 2170, and I only count cardio, have no idea how many calories I burn in my resistance training.

Finally my appetite is decreasing on UDs, I could have stopped at 1700 calories today, and again at 2100. I'm finding 2400-2500 calories IS a lot of food, so I expect to be having lower up days pretty soon.

With my averages in the last couple of days at under 1500 calories/day without exercise, and <1100 calories with exercise, I feel I am on the right track. Tomorrow is my DD #7 and my 15th day on this diet (I started on a DD) - so even with my 2 extra UDs, I'm still doing pretty good! This next week is going to be great and maybe I will finally start seeing some true loss as I begin to get this under my belt. I gotta say that with all the extra calories and the junk I ate at first, I'm pretty pleased that I have maintained my weight and NOT gained, as I normally would have with the unrestrained eating!!!

Hope everyone is doing great, and I'll be reading back through what I've missed but I'm pretty busy the next couple days - KUTGW everyone

[spiralsky]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Sherrie & Spiralsky-

I guess we're in two different places with the fruit issue. I don't believe that fruit is a 'different' kind of sugar that won't cause insulin/glucose issues because I revere Dr. Richard Bernstein, and he is very, very strict about fruit for diabetics for exactly that reason. That's why the conventional wisdom that Sherrie got is to always eat fruit with protein. I've even heard that for consuming carbs in general--i.e., eat with protein.

Perhaps for someone with no insulin issues, fruit alone is best? I know that if I have fruit (which I love, by the way) for breakfast--alone, just fruit, I'm starving within an hour, so it certainly causes a spike for me. Since anything more than 10 carbs at one time causes problems for me, that eliminates most fruit, except in miniscule portions.

But perhaps for a normal, healthy person it's best to eat fruit alone, as in the food combining system.

Hey Leo, I wondered about that too, if fruit is different for insulin-resistant people. I'm sure you're probably right about that, based on your own reaction to it! Makes sense to me. What I found with the fruit is pretty neat, it actually balances out my blood sugar and mild hypoglycemia, which is pretty odd. Since I started eating it alone, I notice if I have it in the morning, I don't get much of a low in the afternoon in the evening, and if I skip it in the morning, I definitely notice the low . I don't know how that works, but I like it

[Dovelette]

What an interesting discussion on Food Combining! For me sugar is sugar but then again for some people a carb is a carb...where for me fiber and even artificial sugars don't affect me like other carbs. I love that you can use a variety of other plans in conjunction with JUDDD and your personal "type."

cagmom - for me I think that would work, because I think for me JUDDD is working because my calorie averages are lower. I knowo for some folks they don't lose for the first 3 weeks, which to me signals that something besides pure restricted calories averages is at play. I dunno which category you would fall into!

snaggle - I understand what you are saying about the DDs being the key to your success and the UDs being potential for failure. It makes sense because, if you think about it, at least for me PRE JUDDD EVERY day was an UD lol (albeit lower carb) and THAT wasn't working, so keeping a handle on my UDs and adding the DDs really has put things into motion.

Trish - I never eat before I work out (I work out at 6am) so I don't knwo if I'll notice a difference or not. I was mainly concerned that, typically after a workout, I can easily eat 600 calories (120 to 150 from my shake, and then a big breakfast) and that I wouldn't be able to do that. It seemed ok though. And actually as I type that I wonder if because I ate more food the night before, if DDs lifting won't be EASIER for me since I have more food in me from the UD? Hmmm...

Spiralsky (or others) - I'm confused about the -8 thing post workout. I understand that you are saying can add back in the calories you burn off while working out and that's how you got that number...BUT...when you originally calculate your DD and UD calories, unless you type in that you are "sedentary," the numbers you get are already designed to take into account your activity. For example, for me, if I type that I am "moderately active" which I am I get:

UD: 2378
DD: 476

Now, if I put in sedentary, I get:

UD: 1841
DD: 368

That means that the calculator has already factored in my 3 to 5 days of exercise by giving me a MAX calorie intake of 500 calories MORE than if I didn't do exercise. The calculator has already added back in those calories for me. So in essence, by then deducting ANOTHER XXX calories from that number is, in essence, double dipping.

I know when I used to JUST do calorie counting we either set the "recommended daily intake" to sedentary and then logged every activity we did, OR we set it to our activity level and just ate to that level without adding extra activity. So...I don't think we get to subtract that exercise unless we set our activity level to sedentary. Doesn't that make sense?

So I made it through my 8th DD and am down another .6lbs. I am consistently losing after my DDs (except 1) and even after some UDs, all before 3 weeks have passed. I am now pretty confident my "stalls" were completely caused by my weekly calorie average just being to dang high!

[dreamer girl]

Wow!Everyone is doing so great on this thread that it really keeps you motivatedCag,I always do about 500 calories on my DD's which is a little higher than I should be eating and I aways just eat what I want on my UD's but when I count the calories I am always under.It is working for me and I am going to stick with what I am doing.You will just have to experiment and see what works for youIt's funny,I get so hungry on my DD's and have a hard time but on my UD's it seems like I can go most of the day without eating!What's up with that?I'm talking about physical hunger with my stomach growling

[weasel!]

Weigh-in: 140.

The suspense begins. Will this be just another number along the way down? Or is this the beginning of another excruciating stall? I hit 140 ten days ago on June 11, then TOM hit, so no expectations of loss during that. I recorded a one-pound rise during the period. Now we'll find out if JUDDDD will really make a difference, if it can get me past the dieting floor where I've spent a good amount of time during my most earnest efforts.

Yesterday was DD#19. A solid start to my 7th week of alternate-day dieting. Two hard-boiled eggs and a big salad in the early afternoon. I broke 'em out when I was totally hungry, and then was so full I could hardly finish. The full lasted until ... well, this is the next morning, and I still feel no hunger.

[Dovelette]

Go weasel! Even if this is a stall on your way down, with the results you've been having I'm confident that you'll "break on through to the other side" in no time at all! MAN I wish I had your stats LOL

[weasel!]

Thanks, Dovelette! Congrats on losing more. I wish I had your workout ethic!

[cagmom]

Good Morning Ladies

This my day one on the JUDDD plan I'm starting with the DD today. I had one Atkins shake for Breakfast and another one of supper tonight. Dinner is at noon I have one idea what I will be having,but I know I will keep it low.


TRISH

I think that having a few more calories on your DD will eventually be an option for you since you don't have to stay in the 20% weight loss mode while doing this diet. If you can lose doing 25% or 30%, then go for it! BUT, I do know that Dr. J says that it is vital the first 2 weeks that you stay under 500 calories. Get through those first 2 weeks and then up your calories some if that helps you stick to plan!

-Thanks for responding to my post so quickly. I have no idea what percentage I'm in. Oh you might be right, not to tweaks so early in the game. I never thought of that to stay under the 500 mark.So I guess that what I'll do,and hope that I can eat that low as I never went under the 1000 cal mark.


DOVE-

for me I think that would work, because I think for me JUDDD is working because my calorie averages are lower. I knowo for some folks they don't lose for the first 3 weeks, which to me signals that something besides pure restricted calories averages is at play. I dunno which category you would fall into!

- I'm hoping that the lower calorie,one day and the higher one the next will keep my bod guessing of what I'm doing.EEEKS It might take me 3 weeks to lose the poundage I gained on the cruise and than some .Hope I'm not in that category .


DREAMER GIRL-

Cag,I always do about 500 calories on my DD's which is a little higher than I should be eating and I aways just eat what I want on my UD's but when I count the calories I am always under.It is working for me and I am going to stick with what I am doing.You will just have to experiment and see what works for youIt's funny,I get so hungry on my DD's and have a hard time but on my UD's it seems like I can go most of the day without eating!What's up with that?I'm talking about physical hunger with my stomach growling

-Yes I can see when writing in my food journal for the next couple of days I tend to be lower on the UP Days so that's the reason I thought I could tweaks the lower days.I guess I have to be careful how I play the numbers. I have no idea,what causes that???What foods do you eat on the DD's or do you just drink shakes???

[Dovelette]

WOAH this is shaping up to be a BAD UD! My first really bad one I think unless I can reign 'er in. Breakfast was going well - bacon and eggs, nice and LC friendly...and then hubby brought home some bananas. Okay well I thought, I decided I would try with higher carb food, and I've had 1/2 a banana in the past and it was ok...NOT today. First it was a BIG banana! Second, it was a HUGE banana lol. I think it had like 30g of sugar in it WOAH. I mean a candy bar doesn't have that much sugar!

Okay so I was ok at first, nice and full...9am came and went...10am...and BAM I'm starving. Craving carbs. So I had a piece of LC PB fudge I made with protein powder (100 calories and 1 carb). Nothing. Didn't make a dent. So now I'm having an egg cream w/ protein, trying to see if I can nip this in the bud with protein and fat.

Looks like at 11 30 I'm up to 860 calories and I haven't even had lunch yet lol. Granted I technically have 2400 to play with, AND I had a big loss the last time I ate a ton of chicken wings and I know I ate around 2400 that day. I just have to really PLAN the rest of the day:

Lunch - Leftover LC pizza? Or tuna salad? (~500ish)
Snack - MIM (300 incl. butter)
Dinner - Pepper pork (450)

That should put me at 2200, giving me a BIT of wiggle room...oh man lol

[Leo41]

Cagmom-

I meant to reply to your first post but got caught up in other issues. Did you read the info on JUDDD at the beginning of this thread? I ask because you seem surprised at the number 500 for DDs. Here's a synopsis:

1. For the first two weeks, Dr. Johnson says that regardless of your calculator number, it's important to stay at 500 cal or less on DDs. He advises using shakes because he believes that most people overestimate their calories, and shakes can more easily be counted. Personally, I only had two shakes because I need some "mouth" action, but even though I've been on JUDDD for over 6 months, I never 'estimate' my calories on DDs. I don't eat anything unless I know the exact calorie count.

2. The calculator number for UDs is not important except as a LIMIT. Dr. J advises you to eat "until satisfied" but avoid overeating. Most people are successful at a number lower than their limit, but that's something you can 'play with' as you see how you lose.

I think Snaggle said it very well when she commented that DDs are the key to success on JUDDD, but UDs have the potential for failure. We have to watch out for excess at both times.

Good luck with this. I've found enormous benefits from JUDDD, and I hope you will, too.

[NoSugarShell]

Good Morning JUDDDers!

I had a successful water fast yesterday and 4 of my 6 lbs. are gone! Yea! It made it worth it. Today I was going to do fast five UD, but I am starving right now. So, getting ready to break my fast. I am still 2 lbs above siggy and ready to get back to that and then even lower.

Happy JUDDDing!

[scandalouslyglam]

Hi...(dipping toe in cautiously)

I have been so all over the place lately. Since March I've lost 30Lbs, doing LC, then VLC, then Meat and egg, then got so bored I fell face first into HIGH CARB food. Since June I have gained and Lost the same 6 pounds over, and over and over. I want to lose about 30 Pounds.

So I read about 20 pages From this thread, Printed the Info From Dr. Johnson's website and am going to go educate myself before hopping in the JUDDpool.

One Quick question I have: Dr. J recommends Commercially prepared shakes for the first two weeks of DD's. Any recommendations on brands that aren't Super High in Sugar or Lactose?? I cannot tolerate either.

Thanks everyone.

[NoSugarShell]

Originally Posted by scandalouslyglam

Hi...(dipping toe in cautiously)

I have been so all over the place lately. Since March I've lost 30Lbs, doing LC, then VLC, then Meat and egg, then got so bored I fell face first into HIGH CARB food. Since June I have gained and Lost the same 6 pounds over, and over and over. I want to lose about 30 Pounds.

So I read about 20 pages From this thread, Printed the Info From Dr. Johnson's website and am going to go educate myself before hopping in the JUDDpool.

One Quick question I have: Dr. J recommends Commercially prepared shakes for the first two weeks of DD's. Any recommendations on brands that aren't Super High in Sugar or Lactose?? I cannot tolerate either.

Thanks everyone.

Sorry, I don't really have any shake recommendations. I am sure someone can chime in on that.

[Trishagrrl]

Originally Posted by scandalouslyglam

Hi...(dipping toe in cautiously)

I have been so all over the place lately. Since March I've lost 30Lbs, doing LC, then VLC, then Meat and egg, then got so bored I fell face first into HIGH CARB food. Since June I have gained and Lost the same 6 pounds over, and over and over. I want to lose about 30 Pounds.

So I read about 20 pages From this thread, Printed the Info From Dr. Johnson's website and am going to go educate myself before hopping in the JUDDpool.

One Quick question I have: Dr. J recommends Commercially prepared shakes for the first two weeks of DD's. Any recommendations on brands that aren't Super High in Sugar or Lactose?? I cannot tolerate either.

Thanks everyone.

I use Nectar by Syntrax. I like the Cherry flavor (can't stand the fuzzy navel). I use it after my workouts because it's sort of like drinking a juice and not real heavy. I can't stand anything heavy after I workout. I tried using a bunch of different kinds of shakes when I first started JUDDD, but I couldn't stand them. They were so gross! I have a bunch still sitting in my fridge.

I hope JUDDD works well for you!

[scandalouslyglam]

Thanks. I know that Dr. Johnson Recommends "prepackaged" shakes, would the Jay Rob whey powder mixed with water or unsweet almond milk fall in this category?? I would measure carefully, of course. I have never had a canned shake that didn't taste "tinny" to me. Also I could use up the cannister in my cupboard.

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by weasel!

Weigh-in: 140.

The suspense begins. Will this be just another number along the way down? Or is this the beginning of another excruciating stall? I hit 140 ten days ago on June 11, then TOM hit, so no expectations of loss during that. I recorded a one-pound rise during the period. Now we'll find out if JUDDDD will really make a difference, if it can get me past the dieting floor where I've spent a good amount of time during my most earnest efforts.

Yesterday was DD#19. A solid start to my 7th week of alternate-day dieting. Two hard-boiled eggs and a big salad in the early afternoon. I broke 'em out when I was totally hungry, and then was so full I could hardly finish. The full lasted until ... well, this is the next morning, and I still feel no hunger.

well after a 13 day, I will call it a stall. I lost 1 pound. And I did stick with the plan. I guess this woe works slow for me.

[GME]

I had a good DD yesterday. Didn't AWF, but came in about 300 cals. I had a salad from Subway about 3:00, then some snap peas around 6:00 and made some decaf in the evening and had a couple of cups with a splash of milk. I am down 3.5 from yesterday, but no VFT yet. It's so close I can almost smell it. Hopefully my week off on vacation will shake things up a little.

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Trish, I didn't read your article yet about the sports drinks, but it makes sense. I always wondered why atheletes thought they needed sugar water to recover from sports. Until I found Powerade Zero (it's sweetened with sucralose) they all tased like they had spit in them. Gross I know, but it's the best explanation I have. Now the running books and mags say chocolate milk is the perfect recovery drink. I doubt it will turn up on the little tables on the race course though.

Dove, good luck riding out your post-banana day. Luckily for me fruit seems to be in a different catagory from other sugary foods and doesn't affect me that way.

About the exercise cals- in the book he only talks about deducting them on DDs. You are right about the calculator already taking activity into account, but since its a DD it is just a fraction of them. To be accurate I guess we could deduct 80% of them since 20% is already in the calculations. I tried it once or twice and it didn't seem to make a difference to me so I don't bother. Some of what he wrote seems to be kind of vague and some even contradicts other parts of the book and the website. I bet he didn't expect all of us to hang around hashing out what he wrote.

Weasel!, good luck on the scale movement! No whammies, no whammies, NO WHAMMIES (I'm not sure exactly what that means, but we say it in our family when we are hoping for something good and NOT hoping for the alternate bad thing).

Cagmom, Welcome! I don't usually do shakes on DDs. I tried it and I didn't feel like I was eating anything. I try to fast (with water, tea and some diet soda) if I can. If not, I eat salad and lean protein like chicken.

I love how you say "dinner" and "supper." It makes me miss my grandma.

Shell, congrats on the WF! Hope you are in VFT soon.

Scandalouslyglam, (I have always gotten a kick out of that name) I have never found a canned shake I like. My son is lactose intolerant and he like Jay Robb egg protein powder and Gold Standard 100% Whey. The Gold Standard has lactase added to it so it's kind of like Lactaid milk if you can drink that or use the pills.

I think he reccomends shakes because most people aren't able to count calories properly. Since most of us are old pros at dieting, we can. I have been through the gammit (is that how you spell that?) of what I eat on DDs. I started with shakes, then went to a lot of LF and FF stuff, trying to make regular meals, now I mostly try to fast (not eating is easier than eating a little for me most of the time) and have veggies and lean protein if I do eat. I do use FF dressing on salad on DDs. You just have find what works best for you.

Congratulations on your wedding!

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Have a great day everyone! I have to get back to my kitchen cabinets today, but first I am heading to the consignment shop to drop off a big batch of clothes that are too big. I am trying not to buy much so my closet is looking pretty bare and I have an entire empty drawer in my dresser. I guess I will have to buy a few things before school starts. I shouldn't turn up there in my painting jeans and shorts. I AM the teacher.

[Dovelette]

YAY GLAM!!! Welcome aboard!!

I know Dr. J recommends shakes and bars the first couple weeks, but that is mostly because many people don't really weigh and measure all their food and thus "guestimate" what they are eating and eat more calories than they think. If you (like me) know how to weigh and measure then you are probably safe with adding some foods as well.

I don't use premade shakes (obviously) but do use Optimum Nutrition 100% whey gold standard, since that's my fav post op. Do you currently have a brand you use? If you measure correctly and mix with water, it should be fine.

Yay good to see another "weirdo" on the board like me LOL. I'm LOVING JUDDDing!

[scandalouslyglam]

Good to know!!! Dove, you're not a weirdo...well maybe a little. I will start tomorrow with a DD. I have the Jay Robb vanilla and will mix it up with water before going to work. I just brewed a big pitcher of red tea, a pitcher of Black/orange pekoe teas. I figure If I'm sipping at these maybe I won't feel like I need to nibble.

Tomorrow is day #1, I am giving this my all for the 14 day induction. Wish me luck!

My Regular Calorie days=2207...this seems like alot

My DD Cals= 441-552 I am going to stay on the low end.

I weighed today at=229.5

Wsh me luck!!

[Dovelette]

Hey Glam I don't think we're supposed to mix up protein before hand...both because bacteria can grow and something about "denaturing." I don't know if that applies to "normies" or just us, but that's what I've been told for years - drink up in 30 minutes or dump it.

I know the calories sound high, but...
1) it's an upper limit. You don't have to eat them all, and
2) HA you'll be surprised, even for us, how easy it is for those calories to add up lol. I was SHOCKED once I really measured out (weighed too) my butter and oils, how much they added...and I wondered why I wasn't losing weight on Atkins?

And last I think for DDs for your first 2 weeks, just try to say under 500 and you'll be good.

What works for me personally is I make up a liter of hot tea and add a T of cream to it (52 calories). That actually keeps me full til around 1 30...then I start to get hungry and I drink more, or I'll take my vitamins and pills LOL. I dunno about you but those fill my pouch up! Then I eat at 3, any number of things, and then again around 7 or 7 30. I sometimes save 100 calories to eat before bed cause sometimes I'm hungry right before bed...other times not.

We all do it different, which makes it SUCH a great way of eating. I'll be curious to see what you do!

[snaggle]

Cagmom- good luck today. Just keeping busy is my best advice and remembering the JUDDD mantra........."I can have it tomorrow"
You can do it!
Scan/glam, welcome to you! This is a great group, and JUDDD is a really phenomenal plan.

Weasel-- I sure hope you get down below 140 (my goal as well). I usually hit my new lows in the week or two following tom. My problem is that with this crazy perimenopause I am in, I am so irregular, who knows what is pms and what is just wierd hormonal fluctuations.

I gained 2.5 from weds until sat. last week after getting to 154.5 and it still is on me.
Grrrrr. It is so frustrating to have a great streak, only to gain back for no good reason.
I am still doing true alternation, but plan to keep my up days lower this week.

Dove--- I love a little bitty banana. The problem with the big ones is that you feel you have to eat them once they are peeled. Good luck with your up day today. Let's both have a CONTROLLED up!!

[aim in Fla*working]

Originally Posted by scandalouslyglam

Good to know!!! Dove, you're not a weirdo...well maybe a little. I will start tomorrow with a DD. I have the Jay Robb vanilla and will mix it up with water before going to work. I just brewed a big pitcher of red tea, a pitcher of Black/orange pekoe teas. I figure If I'm sipping at these maybe I won't feel like I need to nibble.

Tomorrow is day #1, I am giving this my all for the 14 day induction. Wish me luck!

My Regular Calorie days=2207...this seems like alot

My DD Cals= 441-552 I am going to stay on the low end.

I weighed today at=229.5

Wsh me luck!!

I use this and sometimes have it for UD's with eggbeaters, ice, water and a splash of cream as a SF desert at night.

[cagmom]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Cagmom-

I meant to reply to your first post but got caught up in other issues. Did you read the info on JUDDD at the beginning of this thread? I ask because you seem surprised at the number 500 for DDs. Here's a synopsis:

1. For the first two weeks, Dr. Johnson says that regardless of your calculator number, it's important to stay at 500 cal or less on DDs. He advises using shakes because he believes that most people overestimate their calories, and shakes can more easily be counted. Personally, I only had two shakes because I need some "mouth" action, but even though I've been on JUDDD for over 6 months, I never 'estimate' my calories on DDs. I don't eat anything unless I know the exact calorie count.

2. The calculator number for UDs is not important except as a LIMIT. Dr. J advises you to eat "until satisfied" but avoid overeating. Most people are successful at a number lower than their limit, but that's something you can 'play with' as you see how you lose.

I think Snaggle said it very well when she commented that DDs are the key to success on JUDDD, but UDs have the potential for failure. We have to watch out for excess at both times.

Good luck with this. I've found enormous benefits from JUDDD, and I hope you will, too.

Thanks Leo for all the useful information,When I first lurked on the board I did see the beginning of this thread,but didn't read all,as I was skimming through. So far I had a Atkins shake for breakfast which was 150 cal,and now for dinner I'm going to have salmon,whole wheat orzo pasta & spinach for dinner[220 cal] and than another shake for supper 150c. I know its more than 500 cals,but only 70 calories more. I could take off the pasta,which would bring my cals for the day down.

Cagmom, Welcome! I don't usually do shakes on DDs. I tried it and I didn't feel like I was eating anything. I try to fast (with water, tea and some diet soda) if I can. If not, I eat salad and lean protein like chicken.

-ThanksGME,the reason I'm using the 2 shakes would help me on the DD side of the JUDDD,I'm going to have fish & veggies for dinner by taking off the orza pasta. That should bring my DD down to 500.We switched our main meals at noon right after we retired and started to have supper instead of lunch. We feel it healthier to eat light in the evening,before bed time.

Cagmom- good luck today. Just keeping busy is my best advice and remembering the JUDDD mantra........."I can have it tomorrow"
You can do it!

SNAGGLE-Thanks so far I'm not hungry having the shake.I have lots of things to do,and this evening I going to work on my throw cover,so I should be ok while watching TV.

[Ilpirata]

I'm offline most weekends and hten was off work yesterday and didn't log on. Ya'll were busy over the weekend! I had a big post going with responses to everyone but it turned out they were all addressed by later posters so like Gina I'm just gonna pick up from here and move forward.

Welcome Scandalous (I too love that name) and cagmom! Good luck on your first DD!


I TOO am on DD today as I managed to keep my UD DD rotation over the weekend. It works out great this week cuz I have a birthday dinner to go to Friday and it will fall on UD.

Scale still not showing me VFT but whatever I'm in the *zone* at least and down from my crazy post T3 crash high.

I'd love to pull off AWF today and it may be possible as I'm uber busy after work. If I get hungry I have a TJs eggwhite salad in the fridge at home (SO DELICIOUS LOVE LOVE LOVE IT and only 100 cals)

HAPPY JUDDDDing today everyone!

[spiralsky]

Originally Posted by Dovelette

What an interesting discussion on Food Combining! For me sugar is sugar but then again for some people a carb is a carb...where for me fiber and even artificial sugars don't affect me like other carbs. I love that you can use a variety of other plans in conjunction with JUDDD and your personal "type."

That's interesting how different sugars and starches effect us differently. What I think is neat about learning about low carb is that we become in tune with how different foods act on our bodies and minds.

cagmom - for me I think that would work, because I think for me JUDDD is working because my calorie averages are lower. I knowo for some folks they don't lose for the first 3 weeks, which to me signals that something besides pure restricted calories averages is at play. I dunno which category you would fall into!

That's interesting too. That it seems to be a combination of lower calories and the cumulative effect of alternate day dieting, the build up of the SIRT1 factor... which definitely gives us a reason to stick it out for more than 3 weeks if we don't have weight loss in the beginning.

snaggle - I understand what you are saying about the DDs being the key to your success and the UDs being potential for failure. It makes sense because, if you think about it, at least for me PRE JUDDD EVERY day was an UD lol (albeit lower carb) and THAT wasn't working, so keeping a handle on my UDs and adding the DDs really has put things into motion.

LOL - yes, it's the UDs that we really have to look out for, even with perfect DDs, the UDs can be where we sabotage the weight loss.

Trish - I never eat before I work out (I work out at 6am) so I don't knwo if I'll notice a difference or not. I was mainly concerned that, typically after a workout, I can easily eat 600 calories (120 to 150 from my shake, and then a big breakfast) and that I wouldn't be able to do that. It seemed ok though. And actually as I type that I wonder if because I ate more food the night before, if DDs lifting won't be EASIER for me since I have more food in me from the UD? Hmmm...

I've heard that working out while fasting is really effective for weight loss. Especially for cardio. For me, my resistance training falls on my UDs, and that's working better for me as far as energy. I notice for cardio I go slower and it's harder on DDs.

Spiralsky (or others) - I'm confused about the -8 thing post workout. I understand that you are saying can add back in the calories you burn off while working out and that's how you got that number...BUT...when you originally calculate your DD and UD calories, unless you type in that you are "sedentary," the numbers you get are already designed to take into account your activity. For example, for me, if I type that I am "moderately active" which I am I get:

UD: 2378
DD: 476

Now, if I put in sedentary, I get:

UD: 1841
DD: 368

That means that the calculator has already factored in my 3 to 5 days of exercise by giving me a MAX calorie intake of 500 calories MORE than if I didn't do exercise. The calculator has already added back in those calories for me. So in essence, by then deducting ANOTHER XXX calories from that number is, in essence, double dipping.

I know when I used to JUST do calorie counting we either set the "recommended daily intake" to sedentary and then logged every activity we did, OR we set it to our activity level and just ate to that level without adding extra activity. So...I don't think we get to subtract that exercise unless we set our activity level to sedentary. Doesn't that make sense?

Yes, I was wondering about this also. I'm guessing that he has factored the exercise in, ie, I'm allowed about 2800 calories between UD and DD which is 1400 cal/day average, and after burning 700 calories, it's about 1050 average, and that's around what seems to be what he'd want to be the average for getting the calories optimized for losing weight. So... if I deduct the exercise calories from the eaten calories, I should be right around where he'd want me to be, but if I hadn't exercised, I would be at 1400-1500/day which would be higher, and I'd have to eat less... ie, his sedentary values for me, which would put me at around 1200 calories/day. So I guess I'm thinking that it isn't double dipping, that if you can factor in your calories burned, you should end up between 1000-1200 calories/day.

So I made it through my 8th DD and am down another .6lbs. I am consistently losing after my DDs (except 1) and even after some UDs, all before 3 weeks have passed. I am now pretty confident my "stalls" were completely caused by my weekly calorie average just being to dang high!

Sweet! I hope I can fine tune my calorie average for loss, because mine were pretty high before too! This week will be better...