July JUDDDD / Alternate Day Diet 2009

[weasel!]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Vesna-
I know I sound like a broken record with my mantra about weighing only once a week, but that's because I've had exactly the same experience without having had any overindulgence on a weekend. That is, my weigh day is Saturday, and if I weigh after a DD on Monday or Wednesday, I often see a gain. And that's dispiriting for me because I think the program isn't working all of a sudden (my basic fear). But then the following Saturday, I'll record a loss for the week. My suspicion is that the reason Dr. J mentions weighing only weekly in his book is that he knows that this system takes a while to register the true loss and that it involves a series of fluctuations in the process. I'm not telling you not to weigh; just don't try to analyze the reasons for any gain too closely. It could simply be JUDDD in action

Leo, thanks for the words of wisdom. I'll keep that in mind, and will remember to be objective, dispassionate, scientific, and all those good things, about whatever results I track.

[Remykins]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Remy forgive me and please feel free not to answer if you don't want to. I am wondering what your diagnosis is? You have mentioned before something going wrong about six months ago? I'm wondering what it is. I would hate to give you advise that wasn't appropriate for your medical condition...

Dont worry about giving me 'bad advise' all advise is important, maybe it is not the answer, but by researching that i become informed, and at best maybe it does lead to something great.
... about 2 years ago or so i always had what i thought was IBS, but then it was diagnosed as Crohns, from then i thought things would be looking up but then a month later or so i was diagnosed with ovarian cancer, the third and most serious i dont talk about (actually about 8 months ago now), i still have not come to grips with it, and i am not yet brave enough to discuss it. The cancer has cleared up completely, the Crohns (which i will fight any doc on because i have some interesting views on the difference between ibs and crohns), is under control as well. Hopefully one day i can come on this board and speak freely about the third, but who knows... just not today. It was just the combination of the 3 which made my whole life stand still.

So needless to say i was in and out of the hospital and was on a tidal wave of meds, non stop- interacting with each other and ruining my system. That is when i got in touch with people who could provide treatment by other means. I believe diet plays an important part in all of it... and turns out, it did. Last but not least there is a popular theory that if you are on intense medication and put on weight, that some of the medication can actaully be leaching onto the fat... This is getting too long and involved, but basically the weight i put on was in a very unhealthy manner, VERY quickly while on certain meds, and now i just want to be back to normal (or as close as i can). I am still on many meds, but every so often i get the side effects from other medications i was on in the past... hence some of my haste to drop the body fat.

[weasel!]

Remy, do you know what your body fat percentage is? Your total weight is low, if your profile stats are current and you weigh 120 at 5' 6". It does not sound possible to me that you have enough pounds of fat to worry about, especially in light of the bigger picture that you have now revealed to us. I'm no kind of medical professional, but from what I've learned on this low-carb journey, I would say that one of your very highest priorities is to eat absolutely no sugar or starch, because that's what feeds cancer cells. Up day, down day, whatever -- I would not give those cells anything to eat, on ANY day.

Thanks for sharing and trusting us with this sensitive info. All the best.

[Remykins]

Yes, he just wants me to be back down to where i was before the medication issues, which a lot of muscle actually turned to fat, i am gaining back the muscle, but he says around 5 more lbs of body fat and i will be back to where i was, i am so close but very far. I dont have the percentages, but he does, i am under supervision, i am not doing anything alone...

[LBishop]

HI everyone. I just whined on the "intermittent fasting" forum about how out of control I am right now. Today was meant to be a DD so that Friday could be then Saturday could be an UD. Now, I've blown it and feel so irritated at myself. I can usually regain control but am not doing it this time. Any tips? kicks in the rear?

[Remykins]

Originally Posted by LBishop

Any tips? kicks in the rear?

A few things, i go to the store and i buy all sorts of flavored soda (of you drink soda), if im craving chocolate= diet dr pepper, ice cream= diet sprite, donuts = diet orange soda etc.
Or maybe tea?

Also finding a project where you cant eat... tell yourself you cant have anything until you are done with ________. And know this has to be a big project so it will be time for bed before you can finish.

Go get naked and look at yourself in the mirror, try on pants you know are too tight. Go workout. Ask a family member for help.

[giJ]

Originally Posted by Remykins

Dont worry about giving me 'bad advise' all advise is important, maybe it is not the answer, but by researching that i become informed, and at best maybe it does lead to something great.
... about 2 years ago or so i always had what i thought was IBS, but then it was diagnosed as Crohns, from then i thought things would be looking up but then a month later or so i was diagnosed with ovarian cancer, the third and most serious i dont talk about (actually about 8 months ago now), i still have not come to grips with it, and i am not yet brave enough to discuss it. The cancer has cleared up completely, the Crohns (which i will fight any doc on because i have some interesting views on the difference between ibs and crohns), is under control as well. Hopefully one day i can come on this board and speak freely about the third, but who knows... just not today. It was just the combination of the 3 which made my whole life stand still.

So needless to say i was in and out of the hospital and was on a tidal wave of meds, non stop- interacting with each other and ruining my system. That is when i got in touch with people who could provide treatment by other means. I believe diet plays an important part in all of it... and turns out, it did. Last but not least there is a popular theory that if you are on intense medication and put on weight, that some of the medication can actaully be leaching onto the fat... This is getting too long and involved, but basically the weight i put on was in a very unhealthy manner, VERY quickly while on certain meds, and now i just want to be back to normal (or as close as i can). I am still on many meds, but every so often i get the side effects from other medications i was on in the past... hence some of my haste to drop the body fat.

Remy, it sounds like you've really been through the ringer -- especially if cancer isn't the most serious of them.

What kinds of doctors are you going to? Are they MDs with other specialties/education or more naturopath-types of background? It's amazing the things they are paying attention to!

[giJ]

Originally Posted by LBishop

HI everyone. I just whined on the "intermittent fasting" forum about how out of control I am right now. Today was meant to be a DD so that Friday could be then Saturday could be an UD. Now, I've blown it and feel so irritated at myself. I can usually regain control but am not doing it this time. Any tips? kicks in the rear?

I thought you were going to do FF for a week instead of JUDDDD?

Do you follow low carb or some other regimen with FF/JUDDDD? if so, maybe stick with just that for a few days, and focus less on calories, to give yourself a break without giving yourself a BREAK?

[Dovelette]

Wow JUDDDers!

First, I have to thank you all for one thing - today my weight is up to 166, up 2.4 from yesterday. But yesterday was a UD, so I'm not worried about that flux, thanks to seeing it happen to you guys and knowing I"m not really supposed to weigh on an UD lol.

Second, today is my...4th DD and I feel like I am learning so much about my body. I'm realizing what real hunger vs. mouth hunger is. AND more importantly, I'm seeing that OMG I must have been eating a TON DAILY before! I don't think I was really counting my butter/mayo/olive oil/salad dressing calories, and for other foods I would just count the carbs, and I think I was underestimating my calories by like 400 to 500 a day. So where I thought I was only eating 1600 a day, I think I was eating more like 2000. I think I have a slower BMR than is stated, so it's no wonder when I would go out and have a couple drinks that I would gain weight - I was really eating too many calories when you add in the drinks!

The silly thing is that I don't think I'm hungry when I eat. I just am bored or feel like eating because my pouch isn't super full, and so I eat.

So if I totally hate JUDDD and it's not for me, I'm happy that I at least had that experience to figure out the whole hunger thing, AND to make me more accountable on the amount of calories I'm actually eating.

Not that I'm leaving JUDDD...though today I'm taking a different DD approach and I'm going to eat 3 meals at "normal" times. Breakfast is 2 eggs with a bit of cheese (130), lunch will be a big salad with a hard boiled egg (120) and dinner will either be an omelet filled with veggies and maybe a bit of cheese, or another salad. I'll have about 230 calories for dinner so that should be good!

Remy, I'm so sorry to hear about all your medical issues. My cousin is a naturopath and being a WLS patient I can understand how your body can feel without proper nutrients. I'm surprised it happened so quickly though, if you just stopped taking your vites! I hope you are back on them.

[Leo41]

Dovelette-

Yes, I've posted before that one of the MAJOR benefits of JUDDD for me is the insight I get about my food issues and habits. It's helped me in more ways than just weight loss (although that's my priority:-)

I'm probably the only one here (or one of few) who has 3 'meals' on DDs. I find that works best for me, and I can usually keep it to 350-400 cal total. Having so few calories also gave me additional insight--e.g., I lost a lot of weight while I was regularly drinking diet soda (all day at work), but on my DDs, I discovered that all artificial sweeteners spike my hunger, and I've abandoned them almost completely (I keep a jar of sugar-free jelly on hand for emergency sweet tooth attacks.)

What you mentioned about not counting the calories in mayo, butter, etc. is, I believe, the reason so many people on Atkins on the main lobby complain about being "stalled." Fat has a LOT of calories, and I think many of these folks are eating too many calories but don't realize it because their portions, etc. are reasonable. But the fat really adds up.

That's the other thing that I've learned from JUDDD. I've always 'sort of' counted calories, but doing so precisely showed me how quickly they can add up. I have to count on UDs because I could so easily get out of control.

[weasel!]

Originally Posted by weasel!

Yesterday was DD#9, with 375 calories at 70% fat and 14g carb. The scale reads 145. TOM is waning.

145 is down a pound from the last reading of 146, but still a pound higher than last Saturday's reading of 144. So I'm still in TOM limbo as far as weight goes.

Next DD will be Monday, and next weigh-in will be Tuesday, by which time TOM will be long over. I'll just stay on plan, and reserve judgment until then.

I wrote the post above last Saturday morning. On Tuesday morning, after DD#10, I weighed 146 again, probably because I ate a lot of homemade pies of various kinds and had a good amount of homemade lemonade (with sugar) and local brewed beers over the weekend. We had a big cookout and I just went to town baking and making stuff, as did the people who attended and brought fun homemade treats. Oh, well, no regrets. Without JUDDDD, it would have meant the end of the whole diet plan until I could psych myself up to start again in a few months, I'm sure.

Yesterday was DD#11. (I reported the DD# wrong in my post yesterday.) Today the scale registered 144. So I'm back to my pre-TOM weight of June 20.

I'm still on track for entering VFT by the end of the month! Very exciting!

[kristinaW]

Helllooooooooo! Greetings to everyone from Belgium! We are feeling quite fortunate to have sunshine for several days in a row, although still wondering why an entire continent does not believe in air conditioning. LOL!

I am an American living in Belgium, am 34 years old, married and hope to lose about 13.5 pounds. My scale is in kilometers, so I am slightly obsessively converting my weight loss and gain back and forth. Somehow, gaining a few kilos did not seem as tragic until I realized I was up about 15 pounds!

I had foot surgery four week ago and have spent way too much time (albeit necessarily) on the couch. I started swimming laps this week on Monday since I still cannot walk properly and today will be my forth day in a row swimming laps. It feels good to move!!! I have RA, so in the past have had to deal with weight gain and strange body changes from steroids. I am not taking steroids at the moment and the RA is under control, so now I am just looking forward to moving my body, controling what I eat and hopefully getting healthier and slimmer.

I am using the JUDDD and eating low to moderate carbs on my UD and still trying to count calories on my UD, since for the moment I am still rather sedentary, apart from lap swimming, that is.

It is so inspirational to hear from everyone and I am grateful to have found this site. I have spent several days reading through the postings here and am really inspired by the tips and helpfulness of everyone.

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by Remykins

Dont worry about giving me 'bad advise' all advise is important, maybe it is not the answer, but by researching that i become informed, and at best maybe it does lead to something great.
... about 2 years ago or so i always had what i thought was IBS, but then it was diagnosed as Crohns, from then i thought things would be looking up but then a month later or so i was diagnosed with ovarian cancer, the third and most serious i dont talk about (actually about 8 months ago now), i still have not come to grips with it, and i am not yet brave enough to discuss it. The cancer has cleared up completely, the Crohns (which i will fight any doc on because i have some interesting views on the difference between ibs and crohns), is under control as well. Hopefully one day i can come on this board and speak freely about the third, but who knows... just not today. It was just the combination of the 3 which made my whole life stand still.

So needless to say i was in and out of the hospital and was on a tidal wave of meds, non stop- interacting with each other and ruining my system. That is when i got in touch with people who could provide treatment by other means. I believe diet plays an important part in all of it... and turns out, it did. Last but not least there is a popular theory that if you are on intense medication and put on weight, that some of the medication can actaully be leaching onto the fat... This is getting too long and involved, but basically the weight i put on was in a very unhealthy manner, VERY quickly while on certain meds, and now i just want to be back to normal (or as close as i can). I am still on many meds, but every so often i get the side effects from other medications i was on in the past... hence some of my haste to drop the body fat.

and

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by kristinaW

Helllooooooooo! Greetings to everyone from Belgium! We are feeling quite fortunate to have sunshine for several days in a row, although still wondering why an entire continent does not believe in air conditioning. LOL!

I am an American living in Belgium, am 34 years old, married and hope to lose about 13.5 pounds. My scale is in kilometers, so I am slightly obsessively converting my weight loss and gain back and forth. Somehow, gaining a few kilos did not seem as tragic until I realized I was up about 15 pounds!

I had foot surgery four week ago and have spent way too much time (albeit necessarily) on the couch. I started swimming laps this week on Monday since I still cannot walk properly and today will be my forth day in a row swimming laps. It feels good to move!!! I have RA, so in the past have had to deal with weight gain and strange body changes from steroids. I am not taking steroids at the moment and the RA is under control, so now I am just looking forward to moving my body, controling what I eat and hopefully getting healthier and slimmer.

I am using the JUDDD and eating low to moderate carbs on my UD and still trying to count calories on my UD, since for the moment I am still rather sedentary, apart from lap swimming, that is.

It is so inspirational to hear from everyone and I am grateful to have found this site. I have spent several days reading through the postings here and am really inspired by the tips and helpfulness of everyone.

come and post as often as you like.

[LBishop]

Originally Posted by giJ

I thought you were going to do FF for a week instead of JUDDDD?

Do you follow low carb or some other regimen with FF/JUDDDD? if so, maybe stick with just that for a few days, and focus less on calories, to give yourself a break without giving yourself a BREAK?

Yes, sorry for the confusion. I was tired and was wanting to explain that trying to do just fast 5 might have been ok, but I tried moving my eating window at the same time because my family has been eating the main meal at lunch this summer and that did NOT work because I kept eating after the window. Then I tried moving it back to 5 and I had a hard time waiting till my window and then just overate anyway. SO, I really, really need a DD or two just to try to correct the creeping weight. I also see that I probably just need JUDDD anyway because I"m not at the weight I want to be but while going through this medication issue with my thyroid I was worrying that I couldn't pull it off. I was feeling very bad when I sent that post and very discouraged also. I guess I"m just trying to figure things out and was wanting to simplify things. It didn't really work.

[GME]

Vesna, looking forward to seeing you post about VFT.

Kristina, welcome and good luck with JUDDD!

DD for me today. I weighed this morning (after an UD so I expected to see a high number) and my horrible bounce up is coming down, but very slooooowwwwllllyyyy. I was tempted to go low on my UD yesterday to see it come down faster, but I know in the long run that won't really help. I just have to trust the plan and let it work it's magic. I'll get there.

[Remykins]

Originally Posted by Dovelette

if you just stopped taking your vites! I hope you are back on them.

Oh, no, i had it way before, i was taking the meds to fix it, then i stopped taking the meds. I was just not being smart.

[NoSugarShell]

Hey JUDDDers!!

I have been sooooo hungry lately. I have not been doing Fast Five on my UD's like I normally do. The only thing I can think of is TOM is getting closer and I have been doing alot more exercise.

I am really looking forward to this weekend. We are grilling out steaks and making ice cream...yummm! I hope I hit some VFT Saturday morning before we start eating all the good stuff.

Today is UD, tommorrow is water fast, and Saturday is really, really, really UD.

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by Remykins

Dont worry about giving me 'bad advise' all advise is important, maybe it is not the answer, but by researching that i become informed, and at best maybe it does lead to something great.
... about 2 years ago or so i always had what i thought was IBS, but then it was diagnosed as Crohns, from then i thought things would be looking up but then a month later or so i was diagnosed with ovarian cancer, the third and most serious i dont talk about (actually about 8 months ago now), i still have not come to grips with it, and i am not yet brave enough to discuss it. The cancer has cleared up completely, the Crohns (which i will fight any doc on because i have some interesting views on the difference between ibs and crohns), is under control as well. Hopefully one day i can come on this board and speak freely about the third, but who knows... just not today. It was just the combination of the 3 which made my whole life stand still.

So needless to say i was in and out of the hospital and was on a tidal wave of meds, non stop- interacting with each other and ruining my system. That is when i got in touch with people who could provide treatment by other means. I believe diet plays an important part in all of it... and turns out, it did. Last but not least there is a popular theory that if you are on intense medication and put on weight, that some of the medication can actaully be leaching onto the fat... This is getting too long and involved, but basically the weight i put on was in a very unhealthy manner, VERY quickly while on certain meds, and now i just want to be back to normal (or as close as i can). I am still on many meds, but every so often i get the side effects from other medications i was on in the past... hence some of my haste to drop the body fat.

Originally Posted by Remykins

Yes, he just wants me to be back down to where i was before the medication issues, which a lot of muscle actually turned to fat, i am gaining back the muscle, but he says around 5 more lbs of body fat and i will be back to where i was, i am so close but very far. I dont have the percentages, but he does, i am under supervision, i am not doing anything alone...

Thanks for sharing with us Remy! I agree you sure have been through the ringer poor thing. I also think I'm getting that you were 120 before all of your medical issues - and you were that weight for years. After all the medical issues you were up to and maybe above 130? I see now your motivation for "needing" to get that ten pounds off and back to the weight you were for so much of your healthy adult life. I am glad you are under a doctors care and know you will follow their directions to the best of your ability> I also second the suggestion to really focus on NOT feeding the cancer by NOT consuming carbs (especially white carbs and SUGAR). Hang in there and please try to be patient and gentle with yourself. You have been through so much!

Originally Posted by LBishop

HI everyone. I just whined on the "intermittent fasting" forum about how out of control I am right now. Today was meant to be a DD so that Friday could be then Saturday could be an UD. Now, I've blown it and feel so irritated at myself. I can usually regain control but am not doing it this time. Any tips? kicks in the rear?

Originally Posted by giJ

I thought you were going to do FF for a week instead of JUDDDD?

Do you follow low carb or some other regimen with FF/JUDDDD? if so, maybe stick with just that for a few days, and focus less on calories, to give yourself a break without giving yourself a BREAK?

LBishop - I'm with giJ on this: My best tip would be to get the carbs under control. For me that is the key to controlling my eating in any fashion. Maybe even take the approach that was suggested to Remy... not worrying about UD DD for a week or so and just focus on good CLEAN LC Whol Foods eating (and to a certain calorie limit for weight control) Once youre stable with that try sneaking in a solid DD.

Originally Posted by weasel!

I wrote the post above last Saturday morning. On Tuesday morning, after DD#10, I weighed 146 again, probably because I ate a lot of homemade pies of various kinds and had a good amount of homemade lemonade (with sugar) and local brewed beers over the weekend. We had a big cookout and I just went to town baking and making stuff, as did the people who attended and brought fun homemade treats. Oh, well, no regrets. Without JUDDDD, it would have meant the end of the whole diet plan until I could psych myself up to start again in a few months, I'm sure.

Yesterday was DD#11. (I reported the DD# wrong in my post yesterday.) Today the scale registered 144. So I'm back to my pre-TOM weight of June 20.

I'm still on track for entering VFT by the end of the month! Very exciting!

You're gonna get there girl! And I'm coming with you VFT here we come.

Originally Posted by kristinaW

Helllooooooooo! Greetings to everyone from Belgium! We are feeling quite fortunate to have sunshine for several days in a row, although still wondering why an entire continent does not believe in air conditioning. LOL!

I am an American living in Belgium, am 34 years old, married and hope to lose about 13.5 pounds. My scale is in kilometers, so I am slightly obsessively converting my weight loss and gain back and forth. Somehow, gaining a few kilos did not seem as tragic until I realized I was up about 15 pounds!

I had foot surgery four week ago and have spent way too much time (albeit necessarily) on the couch. I started swimming laps this week on Monday since I still cannot walk properly and today will be my forth day in a row swimming laps. It feels good to move!!! I have RA, so in the past have had to deal with weight gain and strange body changes from steroids. I am not taking steroids at the moment and the RA is under control, so now I am just looking forward to moving my body, controling what I eat and hopefully getting healthier and slimmer.

I am using the JUDDD and eating low to moderate carbs on my UD and still trying to count calories on my UD, since for the moment I am still rather sedentary, apart from lap swimming, that is.

It is so inspirational to hear from everyone and I am grateful to have found this site. I have spent several days reading through the postings here and am really inspired by the tips and helpfulness of everyone.

Hi kristinaW, welcome to our thread... so glad you found us! Belgium, wow sounds pretty darn exotic to me! How long have you been living there? Alot of us combine LC with JUDD and it seems to be an awesome combination. I bet you'll do great!

[giJ]

Originally Posted by kristinaW

Helllooooooooo! Greetings to everyone from Belgium! We are feeling quite fortunate to have sunshine for several days in a row, although still wondering why an entire continent does not believe in air conditioning. LOL!

I am an American living in Belgium, am 34 years old, married and hope to lose about 13.5 pounds. My scale is in kilometers, so I am slightly obsessively converting my weight loss and gain back and forth. Somehow, gaining a few kilos did not seem as tragic until I realized I was up about 15 pounds!

I had foot surgery four week ago and have spent way too much time (albeit necessarily) on the couch. I started swimming laps this week on Monday since I still cannot walk properly and today will be my forth day in a row swimming laps. It feels good to move!!! I have RA, so in the past have had to deal with weight gain and strange body changes from steroids. I am not taking steroids at the moment and the RA is under control, so now I am just looking forward to moving my body, controling what I eat and hopefully getting healthier and slimmer.

I am using the JUDDD and eating low to moderate carbs on my UD and still trying to count calories on my UD, since for the moment I am still rather sedentary, apart from lap swimming, that is.

It is so inspirational to hear from everyone and I am grateful to have found this site. I have spent several days reading through the postings here and am really inspired by the tips and helpfulness of everyone.

What led you to Belgium? I think it's amazing when people have the courage to make that kind of international move. I'm just moving 1000 miles, to a city I've lived in before, and it's freaking me out.

[giJ]

Originally Posted by LBishop

but while going through this medication issue with my thyroid I was worrying that I couldn't pull it off.

There seem to be a lot of thyroid problems around here, and someone else could probably advise you better on those issues, but have you considered just trying to maintain until you can work out the medication issue?

Originally Posted by LBishop

I was feeling very bad when I sent that post and very discouraged also. I guess I"m just trying to figure things out and was wanting to simplify things. It didn't really work.

Simple is good... especially when you're feeling discouraged.

So let's figure out what you can do to get back on track, whether that's maintaining or not.

When you say you're overeating on DDs, by how much? Could you go to JUDDDD maintenance and gradually lower it?

[Leo41]

kristina-

Welcome

Because of arthritis, my exercise is mainly lap swimming as well, and don't discount its effects. It's not only aerobic but uses a lot of muscles in your body. Don't discount it because you don't seem to be panting as much as from running, etc. My cardiologist says that because your body is prone when swimming, there's less stress on the heart, but it's an even better workout that way.

You can also try to do some water exercises (Google will provide some I'm sure). The resistance of the water provides the same tension as using weights out of the water; in fact, it's a lot better because you're supporting your muscles at the same time that you're exercising them. I usually swim for a half hour and exercise for an additional 20-30 minutes, and it's a nice workout.

[Remykins]

Yes, i was between 118-120, then went up to about 130...
can i add, it actually felt kinda good to type that, almost as if a small weight has been lifted off me, i dont need to hide it. I just didnt want to be treated any differently, but instead i was treated as, well ya. I would of been much better off not listing my stats, but live and learn... then get luvs. Thanks guys

[Dovelette]

Okay I don't get how to multi quote, so this'll have to do lol.

weasell - I'm rooting for you on the VFT! I have a lot to go before I get there, so inspire me!

Kristina, welcome! What are you doing abroad? I'm in Cape Verde, West Africa with the Peace Corps right now.

Lbishop - I have a hard time with the Fast 5 myself...it seems like I always need to move it and then "life" gets in the way, or I want to make my 5 around my workouts but then at night there are activities going on etc. I applaud everyone who's able to make it work, I find it realy challenging!

Today I'm up to 170 calories and it's 6 30! I was worried about eating my eggs early but with that, a liter of SF drink, a liter of tea with a bit of cream, and 2 calcium supplements, I'm feeling pretty good! I'm deciding if I want to eat something now or not...I feel like maybe I am hungry but my stomach isn't registering it, but I figure I'll just hold out as long as I can...heck I've got 310 calories to "spend" if I need to and only 3 hours before bed. DD #4 has been my easiest yet.

[GME]

I'm having kind of a tough DD. I wanted to make it an AWF, but I'm just too hungry. I have some fish in the oven right now.

I hope I'm really HUNGRY. I think I am, but I'm also at home at my desk (very near the kitchen) doing some dumb, boring stuff I don't really want to do. So is it true hunger or boredom?

AND now that I've decided to eat on this DD, I'm thinking things like "The apricots look good, only 17 cals in ******" where if I kept to an AWF I would just think "I'm not eating today."

I guess I'll just eat my fish, finish my dumb, boring stuff and get the heck away from the kitchen.

[Remykins]

Originally Posted by GME

I guess I'll just eat my fish, finish my dumb, boring stuff and get the heck away from the kitchen.

You gotta get away from the kitchen. Pile up stuff in front of the door, that way you have to move stuff to get in there.

My friends seem to be talking about Full Bars, maybe that is worth a try for 170 calories on days when you are hungry? They are like 20 carbs or something tho...

[Remykins]

Originally Posted by Dovelette

heck I've got 310 calories to "spend" if I need to and only 3 hours before bed. DD #4 has been my easiest yet.

Wow, way to go!!! great job.That sounds like a perfect day, you should be proud!

[SherBel]

Kristina ~ Welcome!!! I worked in Belgium last year for a week, I loved it! Next time I'm in Europe I need to go back and explore a bit, last year I only had one free day, and I went to Gent. The food in Belgium (actually, all of Europe) is sooooooo good, I tend to gain weight when I'm there!

Gina ~ I too am slowly coming down from a big bounce, and now it's the weekend...I'm going to be very careful! I'm getting excited about my kitchen redo, how is you'rs coming?? I ate yesterday on my DD, but only at lunch, and only some cold roast beef. The solid food in the middle of the day did the trick, with shakes for brekkie and supper.

Kisha ~ Good vibes for VFT for you!

Dovelette ~ Congrats on your good DD!

I'm having an UD today, but I'm oddly un-hungry. That's good, I'll be able to have a nice big supper. It's stinking hot here; I'm all sticky and icky, and I'm painting. Yuck.

[weasel!]

Originally Posted by Remykins

You gotta get away from the kitchen. Pile up stuff in front of the door, that way you have to move stuff to get in there.

My friends seem to be talking about Full Bars, maybe that is worth a try for 170 calories on days when you are hungry? They are like 20 carbs or something tho...

I found the Full Bar ingredients on the web site. YUCK! This is for the cocoa chip flavor.

INGREDIENTS: Brown Rice Syrup, Puffed Wheat Cereal (Durum Wheat, Ferric Orthophosphate, Niacinamide, Thiamine, Mononitrate, Riboflavin), Chocolate Chips (Sugar, Partially Hydrogenated Palm Kernel Oil, Cocoa Powder, Cocoa Powder Processed with Alkali, Anhydrous Dextrose, Soy Lecithin, Salt, Natural Flavor), Soy Protein Concentrate, Honey, Gum Arabic, Glycerin, Agave Syrup, Canola Oil, Salt, Natural Flavors.

First ingredient is a type of sugar. Second ingredient, puffed grain is TERRIBLE for you and possibly carcinogenic (see the book Nourishing Traditions). Third ingredient has as its first ingredient sugar, and its second ingredient is hydrogenated palm KERNEL oil. Palm kernel oil is bad, and hydrogenated oil is carcinogenic. Soy protein concentrate is a hyperprocessed food that is bad for you, and messes with your estrogen. "Natural flavor" could be anything, including several pages (no kidding) of chemicals per ingredient, because of the legal definition of the term "natural flavor." (See the book "Fast Food Nation" for an explanation.) Honey is sugar. Agave syrup is sugar. Canola oil might be GMO. Finishes up with more "natural flavors."

31g carbohydrate, 13g of these sugar.

I don't care what Dr. Snyder says, these are not natural ingredients. They're about as natural as high-fructose corn syrup, which, as the Corn Refiners' Association points out in its nefarious videos, is derived from corn, once upon a time. I would not eat one of these things unless you paid me, let's say, ummm. $150. Yeah, I guess I'd choke one down for that. If I were grappling with a chronic disease, though, I wouldn't risk eating one for any amount of money.

[Remykins]

Sorry, didnt even look at the ingredients, just people are talking about them, including people on this board so i thought i would throw it out there...