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Join Date: May 2004
Location: NOVA
Posts: 1,098
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Stats: Size 18W+/8
WOE: My own - low carb, high fat, calorie controlled
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That's me too! Breakfast in general and, at any time of day, fruit. I do ok with berries, but anything else? OMG. Watch out!
Remykins, please keep us posted on Remy. Poor puppy. I'm always amazed by people who think Iams is good. Why? Because the packaging is more sterile looking, so SURELY it must be healthy? I think not. [By the way, my dogs want to know if they can come live with you. They want to eat raw, too!] |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Western NC, USA
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Stats: 151.5/144/125-129 5'4" 48yo
WOE: JUDDD
Start Date: Restart November 2010
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Kisha, I know what you mean about being home, but I'm home every day so I have to fix meals for my family every day. It would be SO much easier if I could just avoid food, but these people around here are always hungry! ![]()
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Western NC, USA
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Western NC, USA
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WOE: JUDDD
Start Date: Restart November 2010
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Aim, I don't know if you meant me but whew! if you could see the white knuckling I"m have to do to keep from eating, you'd wonder about me.
I'm having a very hard time with this DD but it's my OWN fault. Too many days of not doing what I KNOW works! |
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The whole 1 meal a day thing is fascinating to me because it goes so against what all the so-called experts have been saying for ages (while we have all gotten fat) about how you must eat breakfast, must eat earlier, must eat lots of little meals to "stoke" the metabolism, blah blah blah. What is amazing to me is that many of us are having great success with JUDDD and fast five, breaking all these rules. By not listening to these "experts" and following my own physical hunger, I am finding this plan just suits me well and has me feeling way less deprived. If skipping a couple of meals without any discomfort, saves me 1000 calories a day, then what could be bad about that? If there really were studies that proved that you boosted your metabolism, I may feel differently, but lately some are now saying it was all hogwash. I can say for myself that I can totally feel my metabolism at work. Now it just may be a menopausal hot flash, but I literally feel more heat coming off my body. My hands and feet are warmer and I have lots of energy. Part of it may be that I am exercising more efficiently, but I really think a lot of it is the calorie rotation. I think I have successfully gotten my metabolism cranked lately. Have any of the rest of you noticed this???
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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I am definitely in the minority here--breakfast every day is an absolute with me, and I don't eat in the evening if I'm not hungry. Many days, I've had all my calories by 2 pm. In my old age, I've become a "morning person," and I think my appetite is conditioned by my biorhythms.
I don't get especially hungry after eating breakfast because I eat low carb, and breakfast is my least carby meal--mainly protein and fat. Everyone has to do what works for him or her. If I tried to skip breakfast, I'd be gnawing on the kitchen table in no time:-) |
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,182
Gallery: Remykins
Stats: 139/132/128
WOE: Low carb
Start Date: May 6th 2009
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All the new research that i have read said dont eat all day long. You should feel hunger. So many people talk about 'going into starvation mode', and 'slowing your metabolism' hogwash is a good word for it. Problem is, people hear something and they dont bother to keep up with research, so for the past year or so everyone has tried to go against the current.
I saw julian michaels talking about how on non workout days she skips breakfast, and she thinks that eating small meals all day long is the worst thing you can do when you are trying to lose weight. I think you have to deprive yourself to lose weight. You cant 'have it all' and still lose, you just cant. You cant eat infinite number of calories on atkins, you cant just eat low fat, you cant just eat veggies.... i think that those things work because of the calorie restriction... you should end up eating less, and if you dont, you dont lose once you reach a certain point. JUDDD is different, it is not telling you what to eat, but rather HOW MUCH, and WHEN, which i think is what your body cares about most. Your body says 'oh no! i have nothing left to burn but body fat' when you are hungry, that is your body telling you it wants more fuel... it is up to me to tell my body to use what i already have on me.
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Western NC, USA
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WOE: JUDDD
Start Date: Restart November 2010
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okay, I had done a multi-quote thing to about 3 different posts and my reply isn't here! oh well.....just reporting in an AWF today. 280 calories of whey protein smoothies made with almond milk. oh, I did have ONE bite of fresh pineapple. I'm looking forward to my UD tomorrow! I"m so pleased that I actually did two DD's now without blowing it. Gotta go to sleep now or I might cave!
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Madison, Wisconsin
Posts: 1,139
Gallery: weasel!
Stats: 153/138/125; 5'7", small frame
WOE: JUDDDD/EFGT/WAPF/whole foods
Start Date: recommitted to LC 3/11/07; start JUDDDD 6/08/09
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I personally don't subscribe to the many-small-meals-a-day theory. I would hesitate to call it hogwash, though. Maybe it's just the sort of thing that works for some but not others. A universal rule it ain't.
However, "starvation mode" induced by calorie restriction, especially when dietary fat is restricted, is real and has been clinically shown. The research is documented at length in, for instance, Gary Taubes' stellar book "Good Calories, Bad Calories". Calorie restriction -- even fasting -- does not necessarily lead to fat loss, as I have experienced myself. Depending on an individual's hormones and genetics, it is even possible to starve to death (which results from the wasting of muscle to such an extent that even the heart muscle wastes away) without losing body fat. This has been demonstrated in lab animals that have been bred to be especially prone to accumulating and retaining body fat. A common response to prolonged fasting or prolonged calorie restriction is an increased tendency to fat accumulation (after the fast or restriction is over). Taubes describes the many studies that have shown this. I wish I'd known this before I fasted 21 days many years ago (without losing hardly anything) and subsequently gained a large amount of fat, getting to the most I ever weighed. Eat less, lose weight is a simple formula, but it is not quite true, and it is far, far less helpful a guide than it sounds like it should be.
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Junior LCF Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: BC, Canada
Posts: 47
Gallery: spiralsky
Stats: 160/141/127
WOE: JUDDD/Food Combining
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Hm, that's food for thought. I never was into the 5-6 small meals during the day thing either, though I do tend to graze/overeat at night. I did fast 5 for a few weeks in the winter and felt that it slowed my metabolism then as I didn't lose any weight, even gained, and felt I was eating less in that 5 hour window.
I too had prolonged fasts, but I'm also sure these are definitely not good for weight loss. Always with the rebound. I'm pretty positive 1-2 days is a good time period for fasting for weight loss... but hey, isn't that what JUDDD is all about? My JUDDD plan involves about 36-40 hours of a low-calorie period, I have a normal DD and in the next UD, have only fruit until noon. So that goes from about 10p the night of an UD to about 12p the morning of the next UD. It only adds a few extra hours onto it, but I hope it's good for fat loss without slowing metabolism. Interesting though, a lot of our metabolism is actually involved in digesting the food we eat. So eating 5-6 times a day may actually, physically burn more calories than restricting calories in the way we do. Still, I think I'd rather eat less, than burn more and be tied to 5-6 small, controlled meals/day. My DD didn't go so well today. Turned into another UD after a good start. Well, try again tomorrow. |
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Senior LCF member
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 8,426
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Stats: 340 then/145 now
WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling
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From what my doctor has told me, that idea that "a lot of our metabolism" is involved with digesting food--which is the basis for the 'eat 5-6 meals a day' idea--is false. Our metabolism's major function is heartbeat, respiration, etc. Yes, it is involved in digesting food, but that does not require energy anywhere near the calories of the food injested, regardless of how low calorie the person eats. Digestion takes very little of the metabolism's energy. This misconception about metabolism is the basis for the "rule" of eating all day long--which I'm sure has derailed many dieters.
I agree with Weasel that a lot of issues related to weight loss are individual and related to genetics and current physiology. For example, in my 30s, I was so carb sensitive that I thrived on almost zero carbs but would stall at anything above 20g of veggie carbs. Today, at my advanced age and hypthyroid, that WOE makes me ill, and I find that I do best with about 30g carbs. However, I have always had to eat very low calorie to lose, and my current endo says that's because I have a genetically low metabolism. A lot of my problems with weight, I now realize, are due to the fact that I never understood my own body and tried to eat the way we've been "told" is correct. But since I now eat as much as possible according to how my own body functions, I would never recommend the way I eat to anyone else--unless they are dealing with similar issues. For example, I know now that the best protection from type2 diabetes (in my family) is the elimination of sugar and starch, and I never hesitate to recommend low carb to others trying to keep that disease at bay. |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: upstate NY
Posts: 953
Gallery: onceNforall
Stats: 293.5/288.0/Onederland
WOE: WW
Start Date: 2/15/13
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Very interesting discussions on metabolism and which WOE works best for us as individuals...much to think about. I personally think that as I have yo-yo dieted for over 50 years now (I'm 62), that I've probably ruined my metabolism. I have literally lost hundreds of pounds (20-30-50-70 at a time) and then regained them plus more.
I hate to think what that's done to my body, but here I am once again and the JUDD plan (at least right now at the start of things) seems to be one that might work for me.So much of my sabotaging plans involves the negative thinking. I'm one who truly believes ANY WOE works if you work it! However, I always manage to do well for a week or two and then somehow feel deprived or blow it and feel full of guilt and shame and consider myself a failure and give up once again (only to overeat and increase those negative feelings and confirm once again that I AM a failure). The JUDD plan is going to allow me (hopefully) to overcome that negative thinking. I just have to get through a successful DD (two in a row so far I don't know if that makes any sense to any of you....maybe those who have fought obesity since childhood will understand better. The good/bad, legal/illegal, cheating/not cheating "diet" philosophy is so ingrained in me that I really need to focus to realize where my thoughts are leading me. My whole focus at this point is having good, clean DD's and learning to see myself as a "success" instead of a "failure" as these begin to add up.
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Sherrie,I feel EXACTLY the same way you do
I'm close to your age also so maybe it has something to do with the times we grew up in It's always been "all or nothing"for me.Once I blew it,it was the go ahead to binge I am only on my 2nd day of JUDD but you do feel like you have accomplished something when you get through it and I tell myself it's only for one day and tomorrow I can have whatever I want I SO want to get rid of the rolls that bulge under my T-shirts without having to buy bigger ones I agree Leo that everyone is different and has to tweak the diet to suit their health and lifestyle.I'm a breakfast person too and that may be due to the way were raised also Good Luck in whatever works for you all |
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Hi everyone,
It's been a few days since I've checked in. Life has just been busy... or maybe I've just been sleeping half of my life away so it seems like the other half is really busy. I've gotten so tired the last couple weeks I can't hardly stand it. I've been sleeping 10 hours a night and another 1-2 nap during the day when my boys nap. JUDDD is still going fine. Yesterdays DD went good, finished up with 420 calories. Still no weight loss. I'm sticking with it though. Hi, to everyone new! I hope you do well with this WOE. Hope everyone has a great day |
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Hurst, TX
Posts: 1,338
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Stats: 138/128.8/110 5'0
WOE: JUDDD/Gluten free
Start Date: Feb 25, 2013
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Good Morning JUDDDers!
I had a great UD yesterday and today is a DD. I am just going to have an egg cream for dinner. Regarding the discussions on eating 5-6 meals a day. I used to do that before I started fast five/JUDDD, and I was ALWAYS hungry. I really thought that is what I needed to do. I feel much better and less hungry not eating until I am ready instead of by the clock. I love JUDDD. This is a way of life for me now, not something I could say about any other "diet" I have been on. I will do JUDDD once I reach maintenance as well.
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 61
Gallery: katwhitts
Stats: 20/20/6
WOE: 30 carbs or less,1300-1600 cals
Start Date: July 2010
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Good morning! Lost 2 more lbs after my DD yesterday! Woot! So now I'm down 30 lbs since June 1st
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Location: upstate NY
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Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,182
Gallery: Remykins
Stats: 139/132/128
WOE: Low carb
Start Date: May 6th 2009
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Water is my downfall, no matter how hard i try. I ca go on a water 'kick' and drink nothing but water, but it lasts about a week, then i get a cravings for something, and soda quenches it without calories. Lately i have been drinking ice tea with lemon and splenda... not ideal, but i can down a ton of it in a day.
Ok guys, so i was able to eat really late last night. i ate in my rental car (because of all things my truck is in the shop and i didnt want to eat in front of Remy) and dropped a piece of chicken on the seat, so now i have to try and get the grease mark out of it . But i had chicken, a small salad with a few veggies, and i drank a little protein shake. I probly came in around 1000 calories for the day. Remy had his first solid food this morning (about a tablespoon), and i had some leftover chicken. We will see if he keeps it down and it does come out the other end as liquid ![]() I should clarify, i understand that starvation mode is true, however you are not going to get by restricting your calories to 1000 for a week. I work with and socialize with people who many would say, yes are obsessed with weight, and will do anything to stay a size 2. Celebrities, and those that strive to be, are always on diets. They do have poeple telling them what to do, and let me tell you, some of them are suggested to go on these wild plans for short spirts (about 1 week) with exercise, then return to normal and do it again. 400 cal is the magic number i hear all the time (most which should come from protein) that you should not go below repeatedly, in a row for an extended period of time. But again this was the majority, there were however exceptions. But i did read good calories bad calories, and i am in the middle of a few more books, i just have a lot of time on my hands, and nothing really to do at the moment. |
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Senior LCF member
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Stats: 340 then/145 now
WOE: Low carb/calorie cycling
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Trish-
Your fatigue is exactly how I was when my T3 was below the charts. If that's what your problem is, be consoled that if it wasn't for those DDs, you'd probably be up 10 lbs by now (which is what happened to me). I hope when you see that doctor, these issues will be resolved for you. Sherrie- I can positively relate to your feelings, being even older (68 next month) and also dealing with obesity since childhood. There are so many "if onlys" in my life that I think the best approach is to just focus on the present. Forget all those losses/gains, and never think of "failure" because those times may also have been beyond your control. I agree that the process is mainly mental. What helps me is to focus on healthy eating and make my choices in terms of "What will this do FOR me?" That helps me focus on protein (to avoid muscle loss) in eating low calorie AND totally avoid sugar and starch because I know those things are poison for me. I don't think in terms of 'bad' or 'good' food but just what's the best for me right now. By staying positive like this, I find that I never feel deprived. Just this morning, I was looking at my weight loss "calendar" (where I post my weekly weight) since I've been on JUDDD, and it's astounding how SLOW this process has been. If I worried over every ounce, I would have given this up long ago. But by focusing solely on doing my DDs (which can, at times, be a real challenge), I've managed to discover that after a few months the losses do add up to something significant. It's very hard to do this alone. I've found that I come to this board frequently, even just to read posts, because it helps to know that others are going through similar challenges. We all have different ones. For example, although I'm a very slow loser and have to seriously restrict calories, I also live alone and don't have to prepare meals for anyone else and can control what food is in my kitchen. That helps a lot. However, I've also had a box of Pepperidge Farm cookies in my cabinet for 3 months (bought for friends who canceled) that I haven't touched because in the cost/benefit calculus that I do with food these days, I realize that these cookies have nothing to offer me--cost with no benefit in terms of health. The other thing that keeps me going is the question of what's the alternative? To get fatter? Because I know that even if I never lose another pound, unless I carefully monitor my eating, my body will just get increasingly fatter. When I began this journey a few years ago, I was over 300 lbs., and I didn't get that way by gorging--just eating the standard American diet to satisfation. Today I get a lot more satisfaction by eating low carb according to JUDDD. |
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Arkansas
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Gallery: katwhitts
Stats: 20/20/6
WOE: 30 carbs or less,1300-1600 cals
Start Date: July 2010
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Thanks, Leo I understand everything you're saying. I guess at this point in my life it's not about the weight, but about my health and longevity. I need to be making my food choices, just as you say...what will this DO for me. I feel like time is running out and I still have a lot of living to do!!Quote:
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 61
Gallery: katwhitts
Stats: 20/20/6
WOE: 30 carbs or less,1300-1600 cals
Start Date: July 2010
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Yeah, I walk about 2 miles everyday at the ball park down the street. It's getting hot here so I'm having to go earlier everyday.
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Hurst, TX
Posts: 1,338
Gallery: NoSugarShell
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WOE: JUDDD/Gluten free
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