July JUDDDD / Alternate Day Diet 2009

[katwhitts]

I managed to take off .2 lbs after a UD. Not too bad, had about 2100 cals for the day.

[aim in Fla*working]

aim in Fla: Hey, I'm ready to get down to 127 - maybe we'll take the trip down there together... hope we both do great. Actually my first goal is only 7 lbs or so, and I give myself two months, to get to around 134. Then 3-5 months more for the next 7 lbs... Then 6 months of strict maintenance... What's your timeline like?
I am thinking i need to be about 133 by second week of Auguest....

[LBishop]

Hi Juddders! I'm looking forward to a good DD today. I have a sick daughter so will be laying low today, which could make it hard but I'm determined. I might need to find some projects here to do. I have plenty of them so that won't be a problem! I hope you all have a great day whatever is planned!

[Remykins]

Ok, i tried to stomach something, but i just cant... although i was trying to eat something out of the vet hospital vending machine...
I just got home, i am heading to bed (try to sleep with my pup). I am very close with my dog, there is barely a second of the day that we are separated -only time is when i go to the gym. He is a service dog, and the most important thing in the world to me.
Remy is not supposed to eat for 24 hours, i think i am going to follow suit. We usually eat together (he eats about 2 minutes after i do), and i cant imagine how hard it will be for him (he still has an appetite). So i guess i could make this into a long water/juice fast to rest my system. We will go later and i will get some fresh squeezed juice from the health food store here and try to get that down -but i will only get enough to get me through today. I cant stomach a protein shake, or anything creamy or rich.

I guess we will use this as an experiment, we will see how i feel and what happens to my body as i did not eat yesterday, and i am not eating today. I have always wanted to do a week long juice fast... i guess this could be a 3 day. They say the second and third day of a fast is when your body is actually fasting because all the residual food is gone. I in no way feel faint or dizzy, or disoriented, and if i do i will force myself to eat.

[LBishop]

Remykins, Sorry your dog is not well. What do they say it is? Sorry if you already said and I missed it. I know what it's like. I had a very sweet dog about 15 years ago that I lost to a congenital liver problem and the weeks spent taking him to the animal hospital are a very bittersweet memory for me.

[Leo41]

Dreamer Girl-

Yes, I've been doing JUDDD now for over 6 months--actually the end of this month, it will be 7 months. I've lost 35 lbs, but you have to consider that I lose extremely slowly, since I'm post-menopausal and hypothyroid with the resultant very slow metabolism. I eat low carb, probably no more than
30g carb on an UD and much less on a DD. I came to JUDDD because I need to severely restrict calories because of my slow metabolism, and trying to do that on a daily basis was really frustrating. I'm closely watched by my endocrinologist. Because I have severe arthritis, my exercise is mainly swimming laps and some other water exercise 3x a week.

Listen to those who've advised you to raise your calories on UDs. If you find you're NOT losing, you can always lower them, but give this a chance because the DDs should produce loss for you. Keep in mind that the goal is not FAST weight loss but developing a WOE that we can live with permanently.

[snaggle]

Dove-- so glad to see you back. I hope you can have a better week. I still have days when I miss shaggy so bad, a year and a half later. We have our little shrine to him and still talk about him a lot. Hopefully you will be rewarded for getting back on plan with a good loss after a few days. This has happened to me every time I have done it with juddd.

AIM----welcome back Hon!! Been wonderin' where you were.
Remodeling is a pain, but in the end is so worth it. We gutted our whole house a few years ago. It was stressful for sure and hard on the marriage.

Remykins--- I will be praying for the pup. I hope he gets better. I have always loved the line in your siggy about your dog loving low carb. We have always joked (in our dog voices) about how much the dog loves the low carb lifestyle.

[Dovelette]

Remykins, I definitely know what you are feeling now (although I ended up eating like crazy when Gus was sick). Do what your vets say and be sure to take care of yourself too. You want to keep up your strength to be there for your pup, so maybe see if you can get in some other liquids instead of protein shakes? Soup maybe? Maybe some veggie juices along with your fruit juices?

[Remykins]

LBishop- they are not sure what is wrong... He has diareaha, and his colon is inflamed, but they are not sure why. We have one of the best veterinary clinics here in mn (univrsity of mn), and i am trying to get him an appointment as i dont trust the vet that is currently working with him. Last night she tried to give him a treat because he was scared... if he had anything happening in his stomach, colon, pancreas, etc, the last thing you would want is to move things through there -im not a vet, but i give canine nutrition seminars, and that is common knowledge. Especially since it was an Iams treat, and Iams is 92% corn- which he doesnt eat that crap ever anyways. -sorry a little vent i guess.

Dove- Yes, the juice i picked up was veggie and fruit together. I just asked them to start juicing... so it has everything from carrots to wheat grass to mango in it. But i cant get myself to drink it. Odd because i usually binge when i am upset.

[aim in Fla*working]

Hey guys..today is an UD and I have only had a low carb bar!!! TERRIBLE! I HATE those processed things but I had to take an antibiotic that makes me a little quesy. Anyway..I am having a nice meal tonight..chicken curry
Tomorrow i will have my Jay Robb Whey Shakes with a splash of egg beaters and ice...very filling. I am going back to the gym tomorrow too...i have not been able to work out for 3 weeks...Doctor said to wait until i am totally healed for the bikram yoga ans the sweat and my open cuts on my face still
So, I will go with my mom tomorrow and walk a few miles on the treadmil at a 4.5 incline and that will get my ass in gear!
So ready to lose again!

[Ilpirata]

Good morning JUDDers...

I had a good DD yesterday after a crazy blow up weekend where my weight went way high seemingly out of proportion to what I ate. Came in at around 500 cals yesterday which I am happy with. UD today and I am going to try to follow the foods I have planned and NOT go over 2000 cals. This has been an ongoing struggle for me and I know I'll feel great if I can keep this UD under control.

Happy JUDDDDing everyone!

[LBishop]

Great job on the DD yesterday Kisha! Am I the only one having a DD today?

[LBishop]

Originally Posted by Remykins

LBishop- they are not sure what is wrong... He has diareaha, and his colon is inflamed, but they are not sure why. We have one of the best veterinary clinics here in mn (univrsity of mn), and i am trying to get him an appointment as i dont trust the vet that is currently working with him. Last night she tried to give him a treat because he was scared... if he had anything happening in his stomach, colon, pancreas, etc, the last thing you would want is to move things through there -im not a vet, but i give canine nutrition seminars, and that is common knowledge. Especially since it was an Iams treat, and Iams is 92% corn- which he doesnt eat that crap ever anyways. -sorry a little vent i guess.

Dove- Yes, the juice i picked up was veggie and fruit together. I just asked them to start juicing... so it has everything from carrots to wheat grass to mango in it. But i cant get myself to drink it. Odd because i usually binge when i am upset.

So did you stop her from giving the treat? What did you say? That is odd that she would do that! I'm so sorry but I'm glad that you have a good vet hospital there. I took my dog to the University of Tennessee which also has a great vet hospital. They were so good to us. I really have to not think about it. Love on your Remy for me!

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by LBishop

Great job on the DD yesterday Kisha! Am I the only one having a DD today?

I've been *attempting* to get back on pure rotation meaning every other day with no MD. DD are SO MUCH EASIER for me on Mon Wed Fri though...

[LBishop]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

I've been *attempting* to get back on pure rotation meaning every other day with no MD. DD are SO MUCH EASIER for me on Mon Wed Fri though...

I prefer the strict rotation also. I don't have any problems on the weekends unless we plan to go out which is rare. My husband is also good about asking "is this an eating day for you?" hehe!

[aim in Fla*working]

would this work if one was to have just one meal a day ....I mean, wouldn't weekly cals come up the same? Maybe even less? I lost 5 pounds in a week of just having dinners...and I had wine too...2 glasses a night of pinot for a week....came back with baggy pants...

[Remykins]

Originally Posted by LBishop

So did you stop her from giving the treat? What did you say? That is odd that she would do that! I'm so sorry but I'm glad that you have a good vet hospital there. I took my dog to the University of Tennessee which also has a great vet hospital. They were so good to us. I really have to not think about it. Love on your Remy for me!

I walked in the room and she had her hand on his back and the other hand with a treat next to his mouth.... i stepped forward rather quickly and gently pushed her hand, and almost slid my entire body inbetween her and Remy wrapping my arms around him. I said in a very stern voice but not overly angry (because Rem knows when i am upset), 'what the hell are you doing?'

She was really startled and said, 'what? I was just giving him a little treat, i just needed him to be less upset to take his temperature'.

As i cradled his head. 'what? you were not going to ask me first, what if he was allergic to corn? he has something wrong with his digestive tract anyway....im sorry, maybe i am being a *****, but he survived kidney failure, which is on his chart and you want to give him Iams? This is ridiculous. Please leave.... and i would like to see someone else' and of course i burst into tears again... which didnt help the situation. So many i was a little dramatic, but still, i was pissed, he is like my child.

So then they sent in the head honcho vet, she apologized, and we did the tests together minus little miss dummy. I am trying to figure ot what it was because his tests are clear for the most part (a few slight elevations). I did buy a new bag of treats, they are just freeze dried 'ground duck meat and bone and turkey liver'... but i am trying to find the expiration date on the bag and it is not printed well so you cant read it... im calling the pet store and contacting the company. I know it is not his food because we eat from the same animal, (ie he gets the wings, and i take the thigh of a chicken), and the rest is fresh veggies and a touch of fruit on occasion.

[aim in Fla*working]

Remykins...I love my dog as you do...I get physical pain when he hurts. I love him dearly. I hope your dog is comfortable and gets well soon.

[snaggle]

Good luck Kisha- I am trying to plan up days a little more too. I am so in awe of our little Leo and her diligence and dedication. I had a really big up yesterday and hope I will not be punished on the scale tomorrow, but it is a fickle beast that scale.......................

[snaggle]

Aim, there is a whole thread on this topic in the ML right now and lots of opinions. If you did this plan, it would essentially be the fast five plan. You can still do it JUDDD style too, but I know for me that after a down day, I really want some brekky in the morning.
I am pretty sure that Michelle does Juddd/fast five.

Edit: I know it says in my siggy that I do a combo, but right now the only fast five part of my plan in on my down days or if I choose to make a down day a medium day (like if we are going out to dinner), then I will fast all day until that meal. I just can't do it AFTER a down day, tho I will admit I haven't really tried. Just a wimp I guess.

[Leo41]

Kisha-

It sounds like you're back in gear with JUDDD, and you know from experience that it will soon drive those scale numbers back down.

Aim-

I interpreted your question differently from Snaggle, and probably wrong. I thought you were asking why you can't do JUDDD just eating one meal a day because you could wind up with the same number of calories for the week. If you did that, you'd be doing Fast Five (or 1 or 2) rather than JUDDD because the latter is based on alternating days. As Snaggle points out, some people do JUDDD with Fast Five by eating only one meal--i.e., a very small meal or a shake on DD, and a big meal on UD, but I'd die. Even on a DD, I eat 3x. But whatever works for you.

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by LBishop

I prefer the strict rotation also. I don't have any problems on the weekends unless we plan to go out which is rare. My husband is also good about asking "is this an eating day for you?" hehe!

My problem on weekends is if I spend the whole day at home... its munchie time for me! Once I get started I don't really stop unless I leave the house.

Originally Posted by aim in Fla*working

would this work if one was to have just one meal a day ....I mean, wouldn't weekly cals come up the same? Maybe even less? I lost 5 pounds in a week of just having dinners...and I had wine too...2 glasses a night of pinot for a week....came back with baggy pants...

Sounds like Fast Five which CAN be combined with JUDD although i've only ever attempted to do it on a DD. i want brekky on UD!

Originally Posted by Remykins

I walked in the room and she had her hand on his back and the other hand with a treat next to his mouth.... i stepped forward rather quickly and gently pushed her hand, and almost slid my entire body inbetween her and Remy wrapping my arms around him. I said in a very stern voice but not overly angry (because Rem knows when i am upset), 'what the hell are you doing?'

She was really startled and said, 'what? I was just giving him a little treat, i just needed him to be less upset to take his temperature'.

As i cradled his head. 'what? you were not going to ask me first, what if he was allergic to corn? he has something wrong with his digestive tract anyway....im sorry, maybe i am being a *****, but he survived kidney failure, which is on his chart and you want to give him Iams? This is ridiculous. Please leave.... and i would like to see someone else' and of course i burst into tears again... which didnt help the situation. So many i was a little dramatic, but still, i was pissed, he is like my child.

So then they sent in the head honcho vet, she apologized, and we did the tests together minus little miss dummy. I am trying to figure ot what it was because his tests are clear for the most part (a few slight elevations). I did buy a new bag of treats, they are just freeze dried 'ground duck meat and bone and turkey liver'... but i am trying to find the expiration date on the bag and it is not printed well so you cant read it... im calling the pet store and contacting the company. I know it is not his food because we eat from the same animal, (ie he gets the wings, and i take the thigh of a chicken), and the rest is fresh veggies and a touch of fruit on occasion.

Sounds like you took great charge of the situation! What a good fur mommy.

Originally Posted by snaggle

Good luck Kisha- I am trying to plan up days a little more too. I am so in awe of our little Leo and her diligence and dedication. I had a really big up yesterday and hope I will not be punished on the scale tomorrow, but it is a fickle beast that scale.......................

So far so good... and I'm avoiding the giant lunch trap that gets me when I have UD lunch downstairs at Gordon Biersch. I'm opting for a subway salad I said which is MUCH LESS calorific. (though I did get double meat)

Originally Posted by snaggle

Aim, there is a whole thread on this topic in the ML right now and lots of opinions. If you did this plan, it would essentially be the fast five plan. You can still do it JUDDD style too, but I know for me that after a down day, I really want some brekky in the morning.
I am pretty sure that Michelle does Juddd/fast five.

Edit: I know it says in my siggy that I do a combo, but right now the only fast five part of my plan in on my down days or if I choose to make a down day a medium day (like if we are going out to dinner), then I will fast all day until that meal. I just can't do it AFTER a down day, tho I will admit I haven't really tried. Just a wimp I guess.

What she said, LOL.

[spiralsky]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Spiralsky-

I think your plan for 'strict' maintenance for a while is a good one, as I understand that's where most people fail. Do you have the JUDDD book? I'm far from maintenance, but in the book, Dr. J talks about adding calories on DDs for maintenance, so that you're still alternating (I guess to get the benefits), but not as severely. Then, if you find yourself gaining for any reason, you simply lower the DD calories. I recently read a post on the Main Lobby by BloodSugar101 (who I admire) who mentioned that we always need to factor maintenance into our weight loss because maintaining will ONLY be slightly more calories. Too many people think they can just eat whatever once they're at goal.

A man I knew many years ago had about 100 lbs to lose, and he went on one of those total liquid diets under medical supervision. But in every conversation I had with him, all he talked about was what he would eat when he was "finished" with his diet. I knew that didn't bode well. I left town for six months, and when I returned, he's just lost all his weight and looked terrific. Within 3 months, he gained 120 lbs! It's all in having the right mindset, it seems to me, and I've never had a better perspective on food and eating than with JUDDD. That's why I plan to stick with it for the long term.

I don't have the JUDDD book. I'd like to have it, but doubt I'll be finding it in any of my used book stores But I'll definitely put it on my list, and having the book should help me to have more understanding and committment to this as my WOE.

Yes - maintenance is where we usually fail. I also read a good post on another board about how we need to maintain at our new weight for 6 months before it basically becomes a set point - when it's a set point, we can eat with a little more forgiveness, but before that, without continuing to diet strictly, the rebound is, as many of us know, a lot faster than it was to take the weight off. Like your friend! It's tragic to lose a hundred pounds, only to quickly regain it!

So I figure, as long as I continue to diet and strictly watch my weight for at least 6 months after getting to goal, I'll have a better chance of avoiding the rebound. And like you mentioned, playing with the calories of down days to see what works. Quickly taking off a pound or two by lowering them if I see them come on. It's strange to think, taking off 10-15 lbs for me is another yearlong project, but I have to see it that way if I am to be successful and finally get it done, instead of bouncing down into the 130s and rebounding into the high 140s (yet again).

Anyway, the fact that you've lost 35 lbs on this WOE is definitely inspiring. The thing is, you seem to be very disciplined with your calories even on most up days - I don't know if I can do that, but I'll give it time and see... so far, I've been doing it a week with no weight loss, but my up days are pretty high. Trying to ease into it, without demanding too much of myself.

Originally Posted by weasel!

Yes, I'm the one. I think calorie cycling like you do could produce a hormonal response to shed fat, also. In spring of 2008 I attempted a multiday-cycle carb/calorie cycling plan, but I couldn't stick to it. I couldn't work out what to do each day, and worse, I got hooked on carbs again. JUDDDD works for me because it's so binary, so easy.

Dreamer girl's plan of alternating 500/1200 is a recipe for starvation response, metabolic slowdown, and a body that is primed to pile on more fat than before when the plan becomes intolerable -- and that few calories over a prolonged period will become intolerable, especially as she is including carbohydrate. (Sorry to talk about you in the third person, dg!)

Yesterday was my DD#16. Somehow I picked up a pound again, so I'm back up to 141 this morning, after my JUDDDD low of 140 last Saturday. Perhaps TOM is on its way. I thought it was coming next week, but maybe it's a little early this time 'round. Yesterday my DD was ultralow, only around 250 calories. A HB egg, garden salad with homemade vinaigrette, and a few french fries with ketchup.

141 is still fantastic, you've lost a lot of weight your first month on this plan and I'm impressed. I only wish I could lose weight that fast... and you are eating well on your UP days. I will so keep that in mind when I start to get doubts and think I'm eating too much... (which - I probably am. One step at a time).

I think it definitely has to do with hormonal responses too. Increasing insulin sensitivity is a big one. And other hormones to do with appetite and satiety. It could be why this plan works with carbs. I don't know that much about it yet though... I am interested to learn more.

I tried a 3 week calorie cycling thing and I couldn't stick with it either, too long of an outlook rather than day by day.

Gotta go - granpa's here to see my girl... it's a DD for me today...

[Remykins]

I got a little juice and a small piece of cheese (which i ate while standing in the fridge as i didnt want Remy to see me eat it) down.... weird but i am starting to crave french fries... so i wont go near a restaurant that has them, if i eat those i will have all sorts of other problems

Thanks for all your kind word guys.

As far as fast five is concerned----I try to do a form of fast five most days (but i dont beat myself up if i cant make it). I dont usually eat from 5-10, instead i eat from 3-8. I am the all time worst grazer...
As soon as the first bite hits my tongue in the morning, it begins.
So i figure if i can ward off the first bite till later in the evening it will prevent a lot of unwanted and unneeded calories. I especially try to do it on UD when i know that i dont have a real food limit or schedule.

[NoSugarShell]

Hey guys!

Well, I had a successful water fast yesterday. I wasn't really planning on doing one, I just realized late in the day I hadn't eaten and I wasn't hungry so I stuck it out. As of this morning I am still 2 lbs above siggy, but still on TOM. So, I am hoping to get back to where I was.

I do JUDDD combined with fast five most days. There are days I wake up hungry and I eat when that happens. So, I would say I am not that strict about fast five on UD's. Now, I wouldn't survive a DD if I started eating early. I just can't do it.

Today is an UD and it's all planned out. Right now, I am searching for an avocado (my new favorite food) and coconut milkshake recipe. I am going to try it tonight. I hope it's good. I am trying to expand my horizens and try new foods. I had guacamole for the first time on Friday night and mmmmmm! I fell in love.

Happy Juddding everyone!

[aim in Fla*working]

Now, I wouldn't survive a DD if I started eating early. I just can't do it.
so Michelle....you think you are hungrier when you have breakfast...see I think that is how I gained weight to begin with...I would eat breakfast..make myself actually...and then be hungry all day...now I am off work (translate working from home ) I don't eat until later and eat WAY less...

[NoSugarShell]

Originally Posted by aim in Fla*working

Now, I wouldn't survive a DD if I started eating early. I just can't do it.
so Michelle....you think you are hungrier when you have breakfast...see I think that is how I gained weight to begin with...I would eat breakfast..make myself actually...and then be hungry all day...now I am off work (translate working from home ) I don't eat until later and eat WAY less...

YES! I am hungrier when I eat breakfast. It's so much easier for me to just not eat until after work. If I get super hungry, I will eat something around 2 or 3 to hold me over until I get home.

[aim in Fla*working]

i have to be at work AT 7 am....so my breakfast was often at 5:30...by 9 I am starving and then by 2 then by 5...CRAZY! I do much better not eating breakfast and taking my vits later at dinner time...

[Georgia Boy]

Originally Posted by NoSugarShell

YES! I am hungrier when I eat breakfast. It's so much easier for me to just not eat until after work. If I get super hungry, I will eat something around 2 or 3 to hold me over until I get home.

I find it works that way for me too.I have a lot more hunger if i eat breakfast.I have been eating only dinner now for four months and it is so much easier for me than anything else i have tried.Kinda weird

[aim in Fla*working]

Originally Posted by Georgia Boy

I find it works that way for me too.I have a lot more hunger if i eat breakfast.I have been eating only dinner now for four months and it is so much easier for me than anything else i have tried.Kinda weird

georgia..has it helped your losses?