July JUDDDD / Alternate Day Diet 2009

[spiralsky]

Leo41: Thanks for the advice on not worrying about two UDs. I hadn't thought about it that way, lots of people do two UDs on weekends right from the start. BTW, that's fantastic about your loss, even if it is 1.5 lbs a week.

onceNforall: Yes, it's been a lot of reading, I was having a great time reading through it during my first few days committed to this plan! I'm now on April JUDDD and also reading your sister thread... lol... got a lot of great tips and info through it all - like yesterday I bought some radishes and boiled them and munched on them with salt and pepper with dinner and later on - boiling them takes out the radish taste and they have a nice crunch, fill you up for very few calories. A nice change from celery!

Dreamergirl: Hi! Wow, 1200 cal, that sounds pretty ambitious. I guess it'll help if your low carb. I'm trying to make sure my up days are 1600-2000 cal, so that my down days are easier...

katwhitts: Congrats, down a pound! 5 mini-meals sounds great... what kind of meals? I have to get better at this low calorie stuff, I save my 400 cals for dinner. And yeah, I'm amazed I'm not starving the morning after a down day. I just kind of force myself to eat a piece of fruit anyway.

giJ: You can do it! You know you can! I'm up 4 lbs too after eating almost 6000 calories in two days! Don't worry I'm sure lots of it is water for both of us. After a couple good down days I hope that I'm 141 again

snaggle: I love that, just one day and you are on plan! This diet really takes the stress and self-recrimination out of the diet mentality for me - Congrats on your 1 lb!

kisha: Hey, thanks for the welcome, definitely a lot of back reading and it's been worth it, while I wasn't part of this group, I could go to the thread and find a ton of great support, useful info, and be inspired by all of the successes... so far I've done 3 DD, had a few days of crazy eating in between, I hear ya about the scale being on a heinous number... let's have a good week of JUDDDing and get it back where it belongs!!

I found that down days on their own help eliminate the water retention that comes from carbing up and eating a lot of calories... I was peeing like crazy yesterday and last night, and only down a lb. today... even with the lack of food weight! Well, after my next DD I hope I'll be back to 141... today, an UD, I'm focusing on eating normal and healthy and not all crazy! Fruit for breakie, bean chili and corn tostadas and salsa for lunch, and I'm making a new carrot soup to have with dinner, pork shoulder. Desert, yocheese with nuts and coconut, and call it a day (I hope!)

[Ilpirata]

I'm taking a page from Leo's book and am going to be pre-planning both my UD and DD this week. I absolutely MUST get a handle on my UD and want them to be around 1800 cals. DDs are easier for my typically coming in where I need to. I'm planning out my UDs this week in ****** and am hoping this will help me succeed!

[onceNforall]

Originally Posted by dreamer girl

Hi EveryoneI have been reading everyone's posts and I would like to join youI read the JUDD book and I really think this way of eating will work for meI use to fast when I was younger so I don't think the DD's will be a problem,well maybe at firstI am starting today and I'm going to commit to this woe and see what happensI am going to start out on the dd's drinking the Atkin's shakes only and then try to keep the up day calories under 1200 and mostly LC.I really think this will work.I usually lose pretty good,when I stick to somethingI know I need to start exercising also and I plan on doing that tooHappy Judding,everyone

Dreamer girl!! Glad to have you join us...great supportive group here. I agree with Kisha...enjoy those UD's. According to the book, the DD calories are the most important and actually eating til satisfied on UD's is important too so you don't experience "diet fatigue".

[onceNforall]

Originally Posted by katwhitts

Down another pound! That makes 3 lbs for the week of 7/6-7/13. My DD are getting easier every time! I break it up into 5 mini meals and that seems to work. Low calorie egg beaters are a godsend!

Wow, 3lb is great....congratulations! I like the Egg Beaters too...very filling for few calories.

Originally Posted by katwhitts

Do y'all find that after a DD, it is harder to get the eating in gear the next day? I am just not hungry, not until lunchtime anyway. I do need my coffee right now though!

I said that to hubby yesterday....how can you go to bed hungry on a DD and wake up not hungry at all? I did manage to enjoy my UD though.

Originally Posted by GME

I'm holding steady, which is good. TOM is here and tomorrow I am leaving for a six day camping trip. I'm not going to try to do any DDs while were gone. I'll just "eat sensibly" and get back at it when we return.

Have agreat day everyone! I'm off to to a mountain of laundry.

Enjoy your camping trip!!

Originally Posted by snaggle

I had a great weekend. Good down friday with a small steak for my dinner, big up day sat (2100 cal), then a solid low yesterday with the chicken lemon thing. Exercised both days. My reward: Another lb. down and now I am at 154.5! yay.
Poor hubby is still struggling to get back to his low. I just wish we could BOTH have losses some week.

Another pound!
Gonna try that lemon chicken recipe...sounds yummy.
Here's hopin hubby sees a loss soon.

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Welcome hon! Good luck to you i know you can do it.

Thanks, Kisha

[LBishop]

My book came finally!

[katwhitts]

Originally Posted by spiralsky

katwhitts: Congrats, down a pound! 5 mini-meals sounds great... what kind of meals? I have to get better at this low calorie stuff, I save my 400 cals for dinner. And yeah, I'm amazed I'm not starving the morning after a down day. I just kind of force myself to eat a piece of fruit anyway.

I usually have
#1 light soy latte(8 oz light soymilk, sweetnlow,instant coffee) 50 cals
#2 soup progresso light 120 cals
#3 caramel rice cakes (2) 1 tbsn FF whip cream-frozen together to make a ice cream sandwich 105 cals
#4 3/4 cup egg beaters microwaved with fresh spinach and 1/2 sliced roma tomato-topped with salsa 120 cals
#5 1/2 light yogurt, 1/2 cup puffed wheat, 1 sliced strawberry, 1 tbsn whip cream 105 cals

and lots of water!

total 500 cals

[Dovelette]

Hi everyone, I'm back. I had a very rough week after my puppy died and spent a lot of time eating, especially carbs. I haven't really fallen apart food wise like this since I started LCing, but boy when I do it I know how to do it good lol.

So today I'm getting my carbs under control and want to focus on that for a couple days before getting back into my JUDDD rotation, I think. I'm worried doing a DD will be hard after a high carb week. Is that generally the case?

No idea what the scale says yet, no need to torment myself further. The carbs were painful enough (seriously, I felt like crap! And they didnt' even taste that good, but it was like I couldn't stop).

[Ilpirata]

Originally Posted by Dovelette

Hi everyone, I'm back. I had a very rough week after my puppy died and spent a lot of time eating, especially carbs. I haven't really fallen apart food wise like this since I started LCing, but boy when I do it I know how to do it good lol.

So today I'm getting my carbs under control and want to focus on that for a couple days before getting back into my JUDDD rotation, I think. I'm worried doing a DD will be hard after a high carb week. Is that generally the case?

No idea what the scale says yet, no need to torment myself further. The carbs were painful enough (seriously, I felt like crap! And they didnt' even taste that good, but it was like I couldn't stop).

Hi Hon! We missed your posts... I think your plan is just perfect. After getting carbed up I think focusing on good clean plain old low carb for a few days is a great idea. Wait until you get back on an even keel with that (maybe wait til you're in ketosis) until you try tackling a Down Day...

(((hugs)))

[spiralsky]

Katwhitts: Wow, that sounds very good! I love the rice cake/whip cream ice cream cake idea. But I'm also thinking, you must be very disciplined... those kinds of yummy low calorie treats would be very tempting to crash my down day... anything sweet and/or crunchy, it seems I want to go back for more.

But I am starting to notice the natural moderation this diet seems to create. I had a pear for breakfast, went out shopping for some produce, picked up a bag of dates to snack on before lunch. I only had 5-6 of them... in the past I could easily have eaten at least twice that. Then, lunch, just one bowl of chili and some tostadas, I felt full before I felt like getting more. Already, it feels like I have increased sensitivity to my food and appetite and hunger and satiety signals.

So far it's been two steps forward and one step back, hopefully now I get to take another two steps forward and no more crazy days or maybe just one, once/week.

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by Remykins

Welcome all newcomers!!!!

I secomd that
Still staying on plan. this week I am going to
count calories both uds and dds.

[dreamer girl]

Thanks for the advice on the ud's,ladiesI did look up the amt.of calories I'm suppose to eat and with no exercise it was 1754.I was just thinking if I went lower I would lose faster but this is a diet I want to stick with so maybe I better not limit my Ud so much.I like the fact that you only have to limit the food every other day and I can do thatSo far so good,anywayI AM hungry but it's time for my second shake

[Remykins]

Originally Posted by Dovelette

Hi everyone, I'm back. I had a very rough week after my puppy died and spent a lot of time eating, especially carbs. I haven't really fallen apart food wise like this since I started LCing, but boy when I do it I know how to do it good lol. .

I actaully find to easier to fast after a decent amount of time eat 'whatever' as on sunday i ate almost an entire box of cereal (moment of weakness no excuses). Getting back to just what you eat sounds good thought... then you can work on how to eat it. -but let us know how everything goes. My heart goes out to you

[onceNforall]

Well, DD #2 was certainly easier than DD #1! Came in at 440 calories:
11:30 Atkins shake...160 calories
3:00 7 radishes...15 calories
5:30 4 oz. pork loin...120 calories
2 cup steamed summer squash...40 calories
1 cup steamed broccoli with sprinkle Parmesan cheese...50 calories
later tonight 6oz. watermelon...55 calories

Funny...I wasn't hungry at all today. I had lots of energy and even mowed the lawn. I haven't done that in about 2 years, but my knees aren't as painful as they were....could that be a result of this already with just 2 DD's?

[katwhitts]

Originally Posted by onceNforall

Well, DD #2 was certainly easier than DD #1! Came in at 440 calories:
11:30 Atkins shake...160 calories
3:00 7 radishes...15 calories
5:30 4 oz. pork loin...120 calories
2 cup steamed summer squash...40 calories
1 cup steamed broccoli with sprinkle Parmesan cheese...50 calories
later tonight 6oz. watermelon...55 calories

Funny...I wasn't hungry at all today. I had lots of energy and even mowed the lawn. I haven't done that in about 2 years, but my knees aren't as painful as they were....could that be a result of this already with just 2 DD's?

That looks really healthy! I'm not sure I could pull that off

[aim in Fla*working]

hey guys..i am back...I am 138 and ready to judd! I have had surgery 3 weeks ago (laser peel) and was sick as a dog...ate alot of carbs...only to find out that my generic pain meds had codiene in it and was allergic! then, last week i had 2 moles removed...I was at a summer seminar for 5 days prior to that and i am in the middle of remodeling( this has been going on over a year)
HOWEVER~
Ready to get to 125....
I have read everyone's posts and they are all doing so well!
I am jealous and inspired!

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by onceNforall

Well, DD #2 was certainly easier than DD #1! Came in at 440 calories:
11:30 Atkins shake...160 calories
3:00 7 radishes...15 calories
5:30 4 oz. pork loin...120 calories
2 cup steamed summer squash...40 calories
1 cup steamed broccoli with sprinkle Parmesan cheese...50 calories
later tonight 6oz. watermelon...55 calories

Funny...I wasn't hungry at all today. I had lots of energy and even mowed the lawn. I haven't done that in about 2 years, but my knees aren't as painful as they were....could that be a result of this already with just 2 DD's?

could be. I notice I don't have water bloat on this woe.

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by aim in Fla*working

hey guys..i am back...I am 138 and ready to judd! I have had surgery 3 weeks ago (laser peel) and was sick as a dog...ate alot of carbs...only to find out that my generic pain meds had codiene in it and was allergic! then, last week i had 2 moles removed...I was at a summer seminar for 5 days prior to that and i am in the middle of remodeling( this has been going on over a year)
HOWEVER~
Ready to get to 125....
I have read everyone's posts and they are all doing so well!
I am jealous and inspired!

back I was wondering where you went.

[NoSugarShell]

Originally Posted by aim in Fla*working

hey guys..i am back...I am 138 and ready to judd! I have had surgery 3 weeks ago (laser peel) and was sick as a dog...ate alot of carbs...only to find out that my generic pain meds had codiene in it and was allergic! then, last week i had 2 moles removed...I was at a summer seminar for 5 days prior to that and i am in the middle of remodeling( this has been going on over a year)
HOWEVER~
Ready to get to 125....
I have read everyone's posts and they are all doing so well!
I am jealous and inspired!

Hey there!! Welcome back!

[Leo41]

Spiralsky-

You are absolutely right about the restraint JUDDD gives you. I've been doing this for almost 6 months now and apart from the weight loss, the best thing about this plan is the insight its given me into my food issues and eating habits (the bad ones:-) Like you, I'm now fully satisfied on much less food, and that's a wonderful feeling. You're going to love this!

Sherrie-
I'd say yes, it's possible that experiencing less pain in your knees can happen after just a couple of DDs. I have severe osteoarthritis, and my knees are totally shot, but I've experienced a significant decrease in pain from JUDDD.

[NoSugarShell]

Hey guys!

Today is DD for me and it's 6pm and I am NOT hungry. That is unusual, but I am going to go with it and make it a water fast. Going to go take my shower, find a good book and make it an early night.

to all the newcomers!

[oobladee]

Hi Ladies! Each of you does inspire me as I can hit low points during my down days, so thank you for being here!

Last week in review: 2 of 3 DD's were in check. Mon & Wed = great. Friday, my DH insisted we eat out so I will have to call that a moderate day at 1400 cals. I tried hard to get Saturday to be the DD; alas, we went out that evening also, so another moderate day. Both Fri & Sat I did eat veggies most of the day.

Saturday was a heavy gardening day. Sunday a moderate bike ride.

New week: July 13th is going very well. Only one small bout with hunger this morning, but I had my lunch early. Tonight: Kuda squash cooked soft with 2 eggs soft cooked on top. Days' cals will be 481.

[Remykins]

First day of a true, full water fast.
My dog is sick and i am basically too upset and worried to eat anything (usually i binge tho). I have done nothing but cry all day long, and cried so hard i threw up this morning, my emotions are effecting my body so profoundly i have no idea what to do.

[weasel!]

Originally Posted by dreamer girl

I am starting today and I'm going to commit to this woe and see what happensI am going to start out on the dd's drinking the Atkin's shakes only and then try to keep the up day calories under 1200 and mostly LC.

dreamer girl, please reconsider how you are planning this out. This is called an ALTERNATE day diet. That means that on up days you don't have to diet. You only diet on down days. In order to make the metabolic change that makes this diet work, you needs to alternate the severe calorie restriction with days where you eat with a healthy appetite. 2500 calories can be a perfectly fine amount for standard up days. It's working for lots of people, like me for instance, and I've had horrible stalls in the past that lasted for MONTHS.

This is not supposed to be a diet where you alternate between eating next to nothing on half the days and not enough on the other half. It's a diet where you only restrict calories half the days.

[giJ]

Dov, I had a 5 day high carb binge, and did today as a low carb DD (a few calories higher than I aimed for, but still under 600), but I started out thinking today might just be an induction-level carb day. Do what feels right to you, as you detox and get back on track.

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Girl I'm with you. I DID have a DD last Friday but Saturday was INSANE. Just INSANE Eating and yesterday was somewhere between a MD and an UD. My scale is HEINOUS right now - unbelievably high number. All we can do is recomit as of today for a great week of JUDDing. I just want to get back to my siggy weight!

Originally Posted by spiralsky

giJ: You can do it! You know you can! I'm up 4 lbs too after eating almost 6000 calories in two days! Don't worry I'm sure lots of it is water for both of us. After a couple good down days I hope that I'm 141 again

OK, Ilpirata and Spiralsky. We CAN do this. We WILL do it.

[spiralsky]

Leo41: Six months doing this is definitely a huge inspiration. And that you are getting results of up to 1.5 lbs/week average, now - WOW. You have really persevered... I'd like to do the same, for weight loss, and for maintenance. I love that you notice the insight JUDDD has given you to food issues and eating habits... I know that if I backslide out of the plan, I won't have that insight, and will go back into unconscious, stress eating, this plan is like it could be a secret weapon for health and good nourishment. I hope it keeps getting better and better for me, I look forward to the three week point where we get a boost of energy and mood and such - but honestly, my mood and energy seems to be improved already!

Dreamergirl: Good plan on upping the calories - totally, enjoy those UP days, it's what makes this whole thing doable.

Weasel: Glad you mentionned 2500 calories is feasible for an up day and that you're losing on it even after stalls in the past, it's my upper limit and I just about reached it today. But I lose on 1500 calories/day for a week so I could do 2500 calorie UP days (healthy calories) all the time, I guess. Still, I'm a major calorie cycler, one day will be 1600, the next, 2500, I'll probably just keep it like that. Aren't you the one who thinks it's more about the hormones due to the semi-fasting, rather than the calorie averages?

giJ: YES, we will do it!!

Remykins: So sorry I know how you feel, I went through it a couple months ago too... lost control of my diet too for the week and a half my bird was sick... I know it's really hard.

oobladee: today sounds GREAT. 481 calories, perfect.

NoSugarSHell: Wow - a water fast!!! I'd love to hear how it goes for you, and if you think it helps. I'm not sure I'm there yet, it might make me binge, or go off plan, but you've been doing this for a while now, right?

aim in Fla: Hey, I'm ready to get down to 127 - maybe we'll take the trip down there together... hope we both do great. Actually my first goal is only 7 lbs or so, and I give myself two months, to get to around 134. Then 3-5 months more for the next 7 lbs... Then 6 months of strict maintenance... What's your timeline like?

Dovelette: So sorry about your puppy. It's really hard to stay on track when going through such hard emotions

[Leo41]

Spiralsky-

I think your plan for 'strict' maintenance for a while is a good one, as I understand that's where most people fail. Do you have the JUDDD book? I'm far from maintenance, but in the book, Dr. J talks about adding calories on DDs for maintenance, so that you're still alternating (I guess to get the benefits), but not as severely. Then, if you find yourself gaining for any reason, you simply lower the DD calories. I recently read a post on the Main Lobby by BloodSugar101 (who I admire) who mentioned that we always need to factor maintenance into our weight loss because maintaining will ONLY be slightly more calories. Too many people think they can just eat whatever once they're at goal.

A man I knew many years ago had about 100 lbs to lose, and he went on one of those total liquid diets under medical supervision. But in every conversation I had with him, all he talked about was what he would eat when he was "finished" with his diet. I knew that didn't bode well. I left town for six months, and when I returned, he's just lost all his weight and looked terrific. Within 3 months, he gained 120 lbs! It's all in having the right mindset, it seems to me, and I've never had a better perspective on food and eating than with JUDDD. That's why I plan to stick with it for the long term.

[weasel!]

Originally Posted by spiralsky

Weasel: Glad you mentionned 2500 calories is feasible for an up day and that you're losing on it even after stalls in the past, it's my upper limit and I just about reached it today. But I lose on 1500 calories/day for a week so I could do 2500 calorie UP days (healthy calories) all the time, I guess. Still, I'm a major calorie cycler, one day will be 1600, the next, 2500, I'll probably just keep it like that. Aren't you the one who thinks it's more about the hormones due to the semi-fasting, rather than the calorie averages?

Yes, I'm the one. I think calorie cycling like you do could produce a hormonal response to shed fat, also. In spring of 2008 I attempted a multiday-cycle carb/calorie cycling plan, but I couldn't stick to it. I couldn't work out what to do each day, and worse, I got hooked on carbs again. JUDDDD works for me because it's so binary, so easy.

Dreamer girl's plan of alternating 500/1200 is a recipe for starvation response, metabolic slowdown, and a body that is primed to pile on more fat than before when the plan becomes intolerable -- and that few calories over a prolonged period will become intolerable, especially as she is including carbohydrate. (Sorry to talk about you in the third person, dg!)

Yesterday was my DD#16. Somehow I picked up a pound again, so I'm back up to 141 this morning, after my JUDDDD low of 140 last Saturday. Perhaps TOM is on its way. I thought it was coming next week, but maybe it's a little early this time 'round. Yesterday my DD was ultralow, only around 250 calories. A HB egg, garden salad with homemade vinaigrette, and a few french fries with ketchup.

[dreamer girl]

Good Morning!I had a good Dd yesterday,2 atkins shakes,water and I do drink 1% milk in my coffee through out the day but it was only 410 cal.totalI did wake up with a headache this morning but I'm sure that will pass.Thank you for all the advice Weasel,I appreciate all of itIt's funny but now that I know I can whatever I want today,I feel like I don't want to blow what I did yesterday so I feel like I'll make better choicesI think a lot of it is just being ready and getting your mind right,and I am READY Leo.you have been doing this for 6 months?How much weight have you lost?and what kind of exercise do you do?Have a GREAT day everyone!

[WayLess09]

Hi all. I finished up my first DD at 9PM last night. Went to work around 11pm and started my UP day. I had a steak salad with FF dressing, animal crackers, baked lays chips. All that within my 8 hour shift. Right now Im eating a bowl of LIFE cereal and maybe a small chicken salad later if I get hungry. At 9PM tonight when I begin DD#2 im going to try an AWF, no more than 200 calories or less.

[Dovelette]

Glad to see some newer folks and thank you guys for the encouragement. I'm shooting today for a MD, meaning around 1200 calories for me, LC of course, then tmw an up day, and possibly 800 Thursday, getting back into regular rotation (DD saturday). I will admit that part of my reason for easing back in is that I'm still finding either the need for comfort or punishment (not sure which) with food right now. Ugh mental crap, worse than the physical. I do feel "head hungry" and I'm sure part of that is the carbs going bye bye. I'm so happy to be posting again, it's helping a lot.