JUDDD/Alternate Day May 2009!

[jgw]

Originally Posted by snaggle

OH JANICE, that is so great. wahoo onederland!!! Yay for you!!

Thanks

[msgirl]

Yea for you Janice!!!! You are in onderland!!!!!!!!

I love your scripture and love your positive attitude!

I too went back to lowcarbing in March - lost 5 lbs then gained 5 lost 4 then gained 4 - I really began to wonder if I had missed my golden opportunity! Back in 2003 I lost so quickly and maintained for a long time....then I binged after remaining on 20-25 carbs too long and could never get it right again. I went back to to lowcarbing and could never gain ground.

I got interested in someone's post in the main lobby and noticed they were doing JUDD. I didn't know what that was, started searching....and to make a long story short....here I am!

I know DDs can be hard but the UDs help me keep everything in perspective! I am slowly learning that my calories do matter and the good thing about UDs is I don't feel the need to binge like I did on strict Low carb! I know it is mind over matter but this is the only thing that seems to work for me!

I love this thread and appreciate everyone's help!!!

[Leo41]

I agree with those who have been frustrated with low carb. Personally, I avoid sugar and starch for health reasons, but since I need to restrict calories so much (why I'm doing JUDDD), I really don't have room for too many carbs. But I have been using the bran crispbread for a long time (it's great for tuna salad or with scrambled eggs). And I want to include beans and lentils in moderation whenever I can, along with an occasional sweet potato.

I think that will prevent that sudden gain of water weight with just a slice or bread or a piece of cake that's so common when strictly low carbing. I've already seen that with this system, I might gain a pound or two when on vacation, but it quickly disappears after a couple of DDs. With Atkins, it would be 5-7 pounds and take a month to lose.

For me, JUDDD enables me to eat healthily and also lose weight--something I'd found impossible just with low carb alone.

[LBishop]

Originally Posted by Leo41

I agree with those who have been frustrated with low carb. Personally, I avoid sugar and starch for health reasons, but since I need to restrict calories so much (why I'm doing JUDDD), I really don't have room for too many carbs. But I have been using the bran crispbread for a long time (it's great for tuna salad or with scrambled eggs). And I want to include beans and lentils in moderation whenever I can, along with an occasional sweet potato.

I think that will prevent that sudden gain of water weight with just a slice or bread or a piece of cake that's so common when strictly low carbing. I've already seen that with this system, I might gain a pound or two when on vacation, but it quickly disappears after a couple of DDs. With Atkins, it would be 5-7 pounds and take a month to lose.

For me, JUDDD enables me to eat healthily and also lose weight--something I'd found impossible just with low carb alone.

yes! for me too, with low carb I would gain 5-7 like you said and it would take me FOREVER to get it back off. I'm really hoping that by the end of Monday, I will have gotten rid of this weight I put on over the last 4 days. Today being a DD and also Monday. After eating so much, today is a little difficult, but I'm managing. AFter thinking through my idea of possibly going to strictly Fast 5, I've realized I dont' want to do that. I like the feeling of control I feel on DD's too much. I like not feeling like I have to watch every bite I have on UD's because I've done well on DD's (although I might need to pay just a bit more attention, ha!) So, here I am, JUDDING AND FAST 5'ing and loving it!

[Redeemed]

Snaggle:Thanks for being such a brave soul and posting your UD extravaganza. I like the fact that we're not so perfectionistic as to intimidate others from posting their little indiscretions with eating.

Janice: Happy Onderland!

I'm in the middle of my UD. Got home from work at 6:30 AM and was tired and hungry - a bad combination. I managed not to overeat and still have about 600 calories left. I'm going back to bed for a couple of hours. When I get up I'll have the toast and coffee. So far the best UD in a while.

[Leo41]

Congratulations, Janice!

This is really great, and I know you've worked hard for it. You and Kisha are my inspiration.

Onederland is my long-range goal, too. After losing about 80 lbs on regular low carb (over several years), I got stuck at 245-50 for a full year, going up and down the same 5 lbs. JUDDD has enabled me to see some loss--230.5 this morning, so onederland now seems possible.

[Trishagrrl]

Originally Posted by snaggle

Trish, the idea of saving all the calories for one meal is based upon the fast five diet, which many of us tweakers incorporate into our tweaked plan. The fast five diet basically just says you can eat what you want, but you only get a 5 hr. window to eat a day. The rest of the day/night is fasting.
It is based upon the same principles as JUDDD, in terms of stimulating SIRT1 and the benefits of intermittant fasting.
I use it for my down days and also my saturdays which are a medium day. I will save all
my calories today for the evening, so I can enjoy everything.

Snaggle- THanks for the info! I googled fast 5 and did some reading on that. Sounds like a really interesting type of diet too! I almost think it would be easier to stick with, but I wonder if the results would be as good.

For those who incorporate fast 5 with JUDDD, how do you do that? Do you restrict all of your calories to the 5 hour time period on both UD and DD?

[NoSugarShell]

Originally Posted by Trishagrrl

Snaggle- THanks for the info! I googled fast 5 and did some reading on that. Sounds like a really interesting type of diet too! I almost think it would be easier to stick with, but I wonder if the results would be as good.

For those who incorporate fast 5 with JUDDD, how do you do that? Do you restrict all of your calories to the 5 hour time period on both UD and DD?

For me, on DD I eat everything probably within a half hour. But on UD, I try to keep it within 5 hours and I do pretty good, except on Saturday I usually eat all day.

Oh and I lost my first 8 lbs with just Fast Five, but then stalled and I read so much about JUDDD that I wanted to try it. I am enjoying combining the 2.

[Cherry Blossom]

After reading some of your posts, does low carb adversly affect the thyroid?

I don't have any thyroid problems that I know of but I'd hate to cause any. I definitely LC on DD's to suppress the appetite but I have been around 60-100carbs on up days. I'm just getting the impression that LC causes thyroid problems...is that right?

[Cherry Blossom]

Oh, and congratulations Janice! I can't wait to join you!!!

[Redeemed]

Originally Posted by NoSugarShell

For me, on DD I eat everything probably within a half hour. But on UD, I try to keep it within 5 hours and I do pretty good, except on Saturday I usually eat all day.

Oh and I lost my first 8 lbs with just Fast Five, but then stalled and I read so much about JUDDD that I wanted to try it. I am enjoying combining the 2.

Michelle: Do you think you would loose as fast by just doing JUDDD alone? Or is this more about portion control for you? You do seem to be rolling right along with this woe. If it really makes a difference, I think I could do what you doing or at least give it a try. I thought you had a one hour window of opportunity both UD and DD. But now I see you have a 5 hour window on UD's. If something like this would make a significant difference in addition to JUDDD, I might be interested. At least for now I'll start reading about this. Thanks for the link you posted in April.

[NoSugarShell]

Originally Posted by Redeemed

Michelle: Do you think you would loose as fast by just doing JUDDD alone? Or is this more about portion control for you? You do seem to be rolling right along with this woe. If it really makes a difference, I think I could do what you doing or at least give it a try. I thought you had a one hour window of opportunity both UD and DD. But now I see you have a 5 hour window on UD's. If something like this would make a significant difference in addition to JUDDD, I might be interested. At least for now I'll start reading about this. Thanks for the link you posted in April.

I do it for portion control and am not sure if doing this speeds up the weight loss. I just know the earlier I start eating the more I eat in a day. So, when I hold off I am just more satisfied when I finally do eat.

[Trishagrrl]

Originally Posted by NoSugarShell

For me, on DD I eat everything probably within a half hour. But on UD, I try to keep it within 5 hours and I do pretty good, except on Saturday I usually eat all day.

Oh and I lost my first 8 lbs with just Fast Five, but then stalled and I read so much about JUDDD that I wanted to try it. I am enjoying combining the 2.

Thats interesting. Thanks for sharing.
I think as long as long as this is working I'll stick with just JUDDD. But its nice to know some possible options and ideas for breaking a stall if it starts not working anymore. Add more tricks to my bag, so to speak

I've just had a really bad UD. I haven't been counting calories on UD, but I'm pretty confident that up till today I've stayed within a good range. Went out for Mexican tonight... my very very favorite restaurant in the whole world. Mexican and popcorn made on the stove with real butter drizzled over the top have always been two of my major weaknesses!

[kraftymom]

Congratulations to all the losers! I am excited to add my name to the list...2 lbs down this week!

Janice, that's one of my favorite Scriptures when it comes to this area of my life. "I will not be mastered by anything." Not even chocolate!

Tomorrow I am walking in the half marathon and if I have the strength to celebrate afterwards, we are going to Red Robin for lunch...been wanting to try those famous garlic fries and since I will have burned about 2000 calories?! I will! So sunday will be an UD, for sure.

I have been doing Fast5 the last few days, also. It really helps with portion control. Less opportunities to eat automatically means less calories for me. Besides with good coffee and cream? I don't need to eat until 3 pm or so!

[kraftymom]

Trisha, I agree. Mexican and REAL buttered popcorn are weaknesses. Oh, and add licorice to that list...especially australian style. But then I've always considered a box of Red Vines as a single serving, too!

[jgw]

Originally Posted by Leo41

I agree with those who have been frustrated with low carb. Personally, I avoid sugar and starch for health reasons, but since I need to restrict calories so much (why I'm doing JUDDD), I really don't have room for too many carbs. But I have been using the bran crispbread for a long time (it's great for tuna salad or with scrambled eggs). And I want to include beans and lentils in moderation whenever I can, along with an occasional sweet potato.

I think that will prevent that sudden gain of water weight with just a slice or bread or a piece of cake that's so common when strictly low carbing. I've already seen that with this system, I might gain a pound or two when on vacation, but it quickly disappears after a couple of DDs. With Atkins, it would be 5-7 pounds and take a month to lose.

For me, JUDDD enables me to eat healthily and also lose weight--something I'd found impossible just with low carb alone.

Thanks msgirl encouraging words. Keep up the great work too!

[jgw]

Originally Posted by Redeemed

Janice: Happy Onderland!

Thanks Redeemed!

[jgw]

Originally Posted by kraftymom

Janice, that's one of my favorite Scriptures when it comes to this area of my life. "I will not be mastered by anything." Not even chocolate!

Tomorrow I am walking in the half marathon and if I have the strength to celebrate afterwards, we are going to Red Robin for lunch...been wanting to try those famous garlic fries and since I will have burned about 2000 calories?! I will! So sunday will be an UD, for sure.

I love that scripture! I wish you the best tomorrow, you can do it!

[jgw]

Originally Posted by Cherry Blossom

Oh, and congratulations Janice! I can't wait to join you!!!

Thanks Cherry Blossom!

[jgw]

Originally Posted by LBishop

yes! for me too, with low carb I would gain 5-7 like you said and it would take me FOREVER to get it back off. I'm really hoping that by the end of Monday, I will have gotten rid of this weight I put on over the last 4 days. Today being a DD and also Monday. After eating so much, today is a little difficult, but I'm managing. AFter thinking through my idea of possibly going to strictly Fast 5, I've realized I dont' want to do that. I like the feeling of control I feel on DD's too much. I like not feeling like I have to watch every bite I have on UD's because I've done well on DD's (although I might need to pay just a bit more attention, ha!) So, here I am, JUDDING AND FAST 5'ing and loving it!

Fast 5 is a great program, Juddding is great too so both together is wonderful.

[Leo41]

Cherry Blossom-

I've never seen anything that suggests low carb CAUSES thyroid disease. I have Hashimoto's (the most common type), and it's an autoimmune disease that is independent of any WOE.

The relation of thyroid disease and diet is because those of us who need to take thyroid hormone medication have to watch out for things that can interfere with the absorption of the meds--e.g., soy. Nonstickpam has posted about the need for those with hypothyroidism to eat no less than 30g of carbs, and this is based on research done by Dr. Broda Barnes, I believe. For me, that seems to be true because I could eat virtually no carbs when I was much younger, now if I try to go that low, I don't feel well at all. But I'm not sure if this applies to everyone because some hypothyroid people have posted that they do very well with low carbs.

If anything, a low carb WOE would be LESS damaging to the thyroid than very low calorie diets because the latter would tend to slow the metabolism, which is controlled by the thyroid and thus POSSIBLY interfere with its functioning. But I've never seen anything scientific that suggests a person would actually cause thyroid disease by his/her WOE.

[Cherry Blossom]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Cherry Blossom-

I've never seen anything that suggests low carb CAUSES thyroid disease. I have Hashimoto's (the most common type), and it's an autoimmune disease that is independent of any WOE.

The relation of thyroid disease and diet is because those of us who need to take thyroid hormone medication have to watch out for things that can interfere with the absorption of the meds--e.g., soy. Nonstickpam has posted about the need for those with hypothyroidism to eat no less than 30g of carbs, and this is based on research done by Dr. Broda Barnes, I believe. For me, that seems to be true because I could eat virtually no carbs when I was much younger, now if I try to go that low, I don't feel well at all. But I'm not sure if this applies to everyone because some hypothyroid people have posted that they do very well with low carbs.

If anything, a low carb WOE would be LESS damaging to the thyroid than very low calorie diets because the latter would tend to slow the metabolism, which is controlled by the thyroid and thus POSSIBLY interfere with its functioning. But I've never seen anything scientific that suggests a person would actually cause thyroid disease by his/her WOE.

Thanks leo for the explanation. In the main lowcarb lobby I read of so many people with thyroid problems. I started to think they were related to LC or that a certain diet causes thyroid problems. So what you're saying is what you eat can interfere with your meds and low calorie can slow the metabolism which is controlled by the thyroid.

I'm going to have to do some research on the thyroid so I can understand it better and it's roll in the body. Thanks for enlightening me.

[j4Christ]

Hi everyone and Happy SundayI have been following your thread for a week now. I am officially joining! I have dabbled with JUDDD and Fast 5 on and off (mostly off!) for a few years as well as LC. After 30 years of yo-yo dieting I found out a few things about myself and I think that JUDDD is going to be only way I will lose the extra poundage and KEEP IT OFF!! If you don't mind I want to spell those things out so it will help me stay accountable when I want to veer off yet another plan...

1. I want to eat/drink (love my wine!) whatever I want, but I know I can't. On JUDDD I can have whatever I want every other day.

2. I lose well on other plans (WW, LC) but ALWAYS gain it back because it is not sustainable for me for life.

3. I want to incorporate the foods/drink I enjoy into my WOE (not going LC) so that when I get to goal and I can continue to eat them and not GAIN IT ALL BACK!

4. When summer comes (teacher) I can continue to eat/drink what I want on every other day (this is usually my most difficult time and tend to gain alot over the summer as it's just one big long vacation mode for me) thus being able to enjoy BBQs and get togethers.

5. Plan, plan, plan and know that I am not being deprived (big hang-up) because "I can have it tomorrow".

So that being said I have lost 8 lbs. in the last two weeks! I know it won't continue in this mode but I REALLY needed that kick start and feel that I can finally do this! We are doing the biggest loser at school until the end of the year and I hope it will be ME!

Thanks for letting me join such an energetic, informational and supportive group. You are all doing so great and it's been fun getting to know you!

BTW-I like posting my DD menu, but I think I will not be posting UD menus because I want my UD to be without thought. So far I have not gone over the edge on UD just have whatever sounds good. I have found that I don't really over do on UD.

Have a blessed Sunday, been loving reading all the scripture verses!

[j4Christ]

Also wanted to add that my JUDDD schedule is M-W-F are DD, T-Th-Sat are UD. Sun. I will Fast 5 eating what I want in a 5 hr. window. My weekends are precious and I like to be able to have what I want (another thing I learned about myself that is unlikely to change!) When summer comes and weekends won't really be an issue I will switch to true alternate days.

Thanks for letting me spell everything out!

[dointhis4me]

Good Morning JUDDers!!

Yesterday was a DD and I am so excited that I hit virgin weight territory today!
159.4
I can't believe it!! I've not been in the 150s since elementary school!
On top of that, that makes 5 lb loss since starting JUDD less than 3 weeks ago! That is just unheard of for me! WOW!!!

[j4Christ]

Awesome, doin!!!!Your success is inspiring!

[MikeA]

Howdy! I'm down another pound today. So far I am down 10 lbs. in 13 days since starting JUDDD!

I've been keeping my DD's to under 400 calories and my updays have regularly been near or below my limit(2515 cals) My net carbs have been pretty steady at around 30 on my UD's.

[Leo41]

Jenny

You seem to have really thought this all out, and you have a really good plan in place. My experience with JUDDD has been all positive, and I hope yours will be too!

[Leo41]

Cherry Blossom

I think the reason so many of us on these boards are hypothyroid is twofold. First, for many of us, it was very difficult to get a diagnosis (if you read the thyroid section, you'll understand why). If you're hypo, it means that your thyroid slows down, and without a diagnosis and the appropriate meds (nothing helps except Rx), people put on weight, regardless of what they eat, since the thyroid controls metabolism. Thyroid disease tends to occur at times of hormonal changes--e.g., puberty, childbirth--and it's most common at menopause. Thus, many older women find themselves suddenly gaining weight and unable to lose.

Second, once you're hypothyroid, the metabolism is slowed so that losing weight becomes a challenge even when you're properly medicated. So you'll find many hypothyroids in any group of people trying to lose weight. And since low carb is known to be the best WOE for hypo, there would be even more people with thyroid problems on LCF. Several of us have come to JUDDD because we've been stalled on various other plans. Personally, my metabolism is so slow (combination of menopause and hypo) that I cannot lose unless I consume <1000 cal a day. I cannot manage that daily, but I can average that on JUDDD because of the DD.

[LBishop]

My doctor is getting ready to try this protocol with me because he believes it will help and he has seen other women have great success with it. It is this: Wilson's Temperature Syndrome -- Hypothyroidism -- Hypothyroid -- Thyroid disease I can't wait. I see him Thursday and hopefully will start right away.