TWEAKERS united for May 09: JUDDD, Fast-Five, OSMF and other non-conformists

[Maryposa]

wallaby, if you have a candida issue at all, taking antibiotics (I assume you did?) will really cause a problem and you will end up with bloat and lots of cravings. Do you think that could be what is happening?

[NoSugarShell]

Originally Posted by Maryposa

wallaby, if you have a candida issue at all, taking antibiotics (I assume you did?) will really cause a problem and you will end up with bloat and lots of cravings. Do you think that could be what is happening?

yes, I agree with this. I have an abcess tooth and was on antibiotics last week and my appetite was OUT OF CONTROL!! I am making up for it this week and being really good.

[Ilpirata]

Sorry you're struggling Wallaby! Perhaps incorporating a bit of anti candida protocol? or some probitoics?

[wallaby]

my antibiotics were topical (drops for eyes, different drops for ears). I avoid oral antibiotics whenever possible since I have had serious issues with drug resistant UTIs. I don't think I've got a yeast thing going. I am pretty sure the source of both infections - or rather the opportunity for both infections - is allergies. I've just never had either of these infections happen! (Maybe the pink eye a few years ago, but I was knee deep in kids at home so I ignored it.) It's a heck of a pollen season this year.

I did just make a snack though and I dumped it out. So far I've had about 400 cals, if I can just stop now I can claim a successful DD! (IF I can stop, that's the question....)

Part of the overeating is stress related I'm sure, with my friend's cancer, allergies, my eyes, my ear, my job (I have a major event coming up), end of school year crush of activities.... etc. I just wish I could turn that SIRT1 switch back on pronto!

[wallaby]

Probiotics is a good idea though Kisha. I just read a good review of them - the real cultures, not the pill versions.

[snaggle]

Good luck Wallaby. I hate allergies. I thought dr. johnson (or maybe it was the fast five guy?) saying that we should notice a diminishing of symptoms with this WOE. I can only hope as grass season is approaching.
Good luck with not eating the rest of the day!!
Drink some hot tea, it always hits the spot for me on my down days.

[Maryposa]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Sorry you're struggling Wallaby! Perhaps incorporating a bit of anti candida protocol? or some probitoics?

I agree, for Michelle too. Even if there is no problem, can't hurt. I think my yeastie beasties are under control but I might get some (not pill form) probiotics and take a swig every once in a while just to ensure good, healthy balance of my bugs.

[shunsweets]

Woo-hoo Fast5 and VLC is stabilising my blood sugar. However I'm still up 5 pounds so for now I switched my profile and am accepting those 5 pounds if thats what it takes for health.

MaizenI am in awe of your ability to resist eating after your meal. I'm still forcing myself to stick with a hearty meal and no snacking and discovering my weakness as I go.

Sad news my 15 year old cat is dying. He's become viscious, blind, and confused. Just had to have an animal control officer get him in a cage for me (he bit me when I tried) and when the vet opens in the morning I'll take him to be put to sleep. I hate this. No more pets for me. I still have a poodle and one other cat but when they go I'm done. Can't take the heartache.

[wallaby]

Originally Posted by snaggle

Good luck Wallaby. I hate allergies. I thought dr. johnson (or maybe it was the fast five guy?) saying that we should notice a diminishing of symptoms with this WOE. I can only hope as grass season is approaching.

This sure got me thinking. Ya know, if I HAD been following JUDDD like a good girl these last two week, I might have had different results with these infections. Earlier in the spring I noticed that I didn't have my usual spring allergy related sore throat - which usually lasts for about 6-8 wks. At the time, it never occurred to me to attribute it to JUDDD which I was following pretty strictly. I've only become symptomatic in the last couple of weeks - just about the time that stuff started blooming in full - AND I wasn't following JUDDD so well.

[Maryposa]

Originally Posted by wallaby

This sure got me thinking. Ya know, if I HAD been following JUDDD like a good girl these last two week, I might have had different results with these infections. Earlier in the spring I noticed that I didn't have my usual spring allergy related sore throat - which usually lasts for about 6-8 wks. At the time, it never occurred to me to attribute it to JUDDD which I was following pretty strictly. I've only become symptomatic in the last couple of weeks - just about the time that stuff started blooming in full - AND I wasn't following JUDDD so well.

I notice my immune system is better when I am eating clean, as well, not necessarily JUDDD, but low carb, moderate calories, no junk. I rarely get sick. Watch, now the swine flu is going to come get me because I said that!

[snaggle]

Yeah, I seem to remember either from his website or the interview (haven't read the book) that he talked about how many of the afflictions we suffer will go away with
this WOE. I don't know if it is the SIRT1, or some other benefit of IF/calorie restriction.
I can say that SO FAR (knocking on wood), my allergies have been very mild this year.
Now, mind you, we have had like a month of rain here in Seattle, so probably not much
ambient pollen.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by wallaby

my antibiotics were topical (drops for eyes, different drops for ears). I avoid oral antibiotics whenever possible since I have had serious issues with drug resistant UTIs. I don't think I've got a yeast thing going. I am pretty sure the source of both infections - or rather the opportunity for both infections - is allergies. I've just never had either of these infections happen! (Maybe the pink eye a few years ago, but I was knee deep in kids at home so I ignored it.) It's a heck of a pollen season this year.

I did just make a snack though and I dumped it out. So far I've had about 400 cals, if I can just stop now I can claim a successful DD! (IF I can stop, that's the question....)

Part of the overeating is stress related I'm sure, with my friend's cancer, allergies, my eyes, my ear, my job (I have a major event coming up), end of school year crush of activities.... etc. I just wish I could turn that SIRT1 switch back on pronto!

wallaby, heaven knows you have an overload of stuff to deal with right now and stress does all kinds of things to us. Remember that Ol' Debbil Cortisol? It really does a number on our hormones--including the ones in our pancreas as well as our adrenals...and every place in between, including our minds. And then you will crave physically and mentally and it wont matter what you eat, YOU WILL NOT BE SATISFIED OR COMFORTED by what you eat because eating is not the cure. (Ask me how I know this?)

Sometimes when I am troubled emotionally over things similar to what you are dealing with, I want to escape from both my mind and body because some of my thoughts wont let me rest and being conscious is so painful. Add to that the daily requirements of work and family life and current nagging health problems, you have the makings for a hard time--and diet and weight loss may have to take a seat at the rear of the mental bus for while.

I have learned that sometimes I just have to be kind to myself and try not to obsess about doing something (anything) perfectly. And when this happens, I warn my family to cut me some slack until I can get back to doing things in a normal fashion. This is especially true when I am grieving...and I know you are!

And when things look dark weightwise, remember this cheering thought: with JUDDD, there is always "tomorrow."

Originally Posted by wallaby

Probiotics is a good idea though Kisha. I just read a good review of them - the real cultures, not the pill versions.

I get my probiotics in my yogurt but I dont have yeast or alllergy issues so taking more--and in more concentrated form--may help you as Mary and Kisha and and some of the others point out.

Originally Posted by shunsweets

Woo-hoo Fast5 and VLC is stabilising my blood sugar. However I'm still up 5 pounds so for now I switched my profile and am accepting those 5 pounds if thats what it takes for health.

MaizenI am in awe of your ability to resist eating after your meal. I'm still forcing myself to stick with a hearty meal and no snacking and discovering my weakness as I go.

Sad news my 15 year old cat is dying. He's become viscious, blind, and confused. Just had to have an animal control officer get him in a cage for me (he bit me when I tried) and when the vet opens in the morning I'll take him to be put to sleep. I hate this. No more pets for me. I still have a poodle and one other cat but when they go I'm done. Can't take the heartache.

SS, the main thing is the improving BG levels. And I rejoice for you that FF is helping, combined with VLC.

For now, the exta 5 pounds may have to be set aside mentally and emotionally as "not the most important thing" And once you are comfortable with FF and your BG is running smoothly, then you can begin to consider how to knock off the 5+--and I am sure you will be able to find a way to get rid of it. What it seems you are saying is that you have decided to stabilize where you are and then move ahead on a further goal weight later. Well, that is such a wise approach---you are not a nurse for nuthin' !

As for the sad news about your cat--I so empathize with you on this this. And I am so sorry for your poor kitty. (Are you up on your lockjaw shots, etc?) We have 3 cats and one dog and they are all getting up in years. I dont know how I can bear to say goodbye to them--and yes, the heartache is something you never forget. After our current furbabies are gone, I dont think I can stand the thoughts of going through it in 10 or 15 years, so maybe these will be our last, although they are such a joy...and a comfort, too.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Maryposa

I notice my immune system is better when I am eating clean, as well, not necessarily JUDDD, but low carb, moderate calories, no junk. I rarely get sick. Watch, now the swine flu is going to come get me because I said that!

OH, you are SO kidding!? With all the working out you do, it would be a very feeble minded Swine Flu Bug that would try to take up residence in that active body of yours., Mary My gosh, all those leg presses--all that TM time and elliptical. Nope, the SFB's have passed the word to avoid you completely--they dont even cruise the street where you live!

[Maryposa]

lol maizen you make me smile.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Maryposa

lol maizen you make me smile.

And I am glad. We need more stuff to smile about in this world. But my silliness is not meant to obscure your very good and important message that eating clean does help us feel better! And it certainly works for me, too!

[msgirl]

Just checking in with you guys!

I am wondering if I can be a tweaker??? I like JUDD but Fast five is intersting to me too.....wondering if I want to delve deeper into the fasting phenomena...

[jgw]

msgirl sure you can. most juddders are tweakers too!

[msgirl]

Janice - you are so right!

[wallaby]

maizen as usual you are right about eating, cortisol, stress, etc etc and not being perfect. I'm feeling motivated to do a fast tomorrow. Not because of the weight (I'm up 4 lbs) but just to get clean and reoriented. We'll see how that goes I know I would feel so much better if I could get through a day - one day - without eating.

SS I am so sorry about your cat. I have one cat now - and I've told my family that we're not getting any more, and I absolutely refuse to get another dog. I can't bear the work, the worry, and the ultimate loss.

msgirl, c'mon in, the water's fine.

[msgirl]

Thanks for the welcome!

I am trying to decide if I want to do an AWF tomorrow or just go really low on cals. I posted in the JUDD thread how my DD turned in to a MD. I am extremely disciplined and hate when something like that happens. But, such is life. It's the first DD in 3 weeks that didn't work out so I have decided not to stress too much.

But, since my pattern was disturbed (and I hate to be thrown off) I am wondering what I am gonna do. I had some great suggestions in the JUDD thread. But, a good fast would clean that junk out of my system.

Hmmmm.........

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by msgirl

Just checking in with you guys!

I am wondering if I can be a tweaker??? I like JUDD but Fast five is intersting to me too.....wondering if I want to delve deeper into the fasting phenomena...

msgirl,

You will find that several of us Tweak around between Fast Five and JUDDD and add other plans to them, too, like (in my case) Very Low Carb. Hop on the wagon with us--we have fun and learn good stuff from each other!

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by msgirl

Thanks for the welcome!

I am trying to decide if I want to do an AWF tomorrow or just go really low on cals. I posted in the JUDD thread how my DD turned in to a MD. I am extremely disciplined and hate when something like that happens. But, such is life. It's the first DD in 3 weeks that didn't work out so I have decided not to stress too much.

But, since my pattern was disturbed (and I hate to be thrown off) I am wondering what I am gonna do. I had some great suggestions in the JUDD thread. But, a good fast would clean that junk out of my system.

Hmmmm.........

I agree about the fast--when you can pull off a fast, it always helps, mentally as well as physically. I think It is kind of like clearing out the old stuff and making a clean new start. Probably when I get back to my regular schedule in a week or so, I will do an AWF just for the "purity" of it.

[snaggle]

shunsweets: I am so sorry about the kitty-cat. It is so hard. Last year we finally had to put down our beloved 18 year old shaggy (dog)and it hurt so bad. We have no kids, so he was our baby. I will say, that here I am a year later, the proud mom of a new little rascal, a rescue dog we named Scamp. He has filled the void, and then some! (he just stole my chicken bone left over from dinner............naughty boy)

When we lost shaggy, I wrote a eulogy and emailed it to all our friends. Over the next weeks, the replies and outpouring of support really helped.

Take care.
Barbara

[jgw]

Good morning Tweakers and all new Tweakers.
Msgirl you will blend right in without problems. Today is a UD for me tomorrow I will try to do a AWF because I am trying to stay under 200.
Later

[CrystalPistol]

Hey guys! Kinda reposting from the JUDDDD thread.

I just wanna say, as many of you already have... it is not the end of the world with JUDDDD if you mess up! I was getting a little overboard with some of my UDs and stalled my loss for almost two weeks. This week, I got back in the swing of things and within 4 days, not only did I lose what I had temporarily gained back, but I lost two more lbs too!

Y'know I'm usually left spending an entire week undoing damage on other WOEs. And that's just to get back to where I was! I never dreamed of getting back where I was and then LOSE SOME MORE in 4 days!

From April 7th to May 7th, I've lost 14 lbs. I've never felt more certain that I will reach goal. This WOE has changed how I look at everything. Food is not so powerful, I actually have control, and for the first time ever, I actually *know* this is my last attempt. I refuse to give up. I know if I don't do THIS, then I'm finally conceding to being obese. And I CAN do THIS.

[jgw]

Originally Posted by Kamicryze

Hey guys! Kinda reposting from the JUDDDD thread.
From April 7th to May 7th, I've lost 14 lbs. I've never felt more certain that I will reach goal. This WOE has changed how I look at everything. Food is not so powerful, I actually have control, and for the first time ever, I actually *know* this is my last attempt. I refuse to give up. I know if I don't do THIS, then I'm finally conceding to being obese. And I CAN do THIS.

That's great! KUTGW!!!!!

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

snaggle--like wallaby said, others here have also found that sometimes lowering calories too much actually causes a stall.

But, but, but. . . .I thought the whole theory behind JUDDD and the SIRT1 gene was that it kept "starvation mode" stalls from kicking in the way it might be expected to without the alternating days?

[CrystalPistol]

Interesting.

Well, retro I don't know the answer to that, but I have wondered if you can still go into the dreaded starvation plateau on JUDDDD. Because *I* eat 500 one day and 1900 another, then that averages to 1200 a day. That feels right for me.

But if I do 500 and 1500 that's only 1000 a day. Now that seems unhealthy to me. But like I said, I don't know! I mean, I've been tempted to lower my UDs to move things faster, believe me.. but I don't wanna be in SM either. Maybe I'm just stuck in the old-school way of thinking when it comes to minimum calories. JUDDDD certainly doesn't follow the norm: like eating 6 small meals a day, etc. Huh! I'm curious too.

[CrystalPistol]

BTW, if I may.. I was doing research on what activates SIRT1. LOTS of studies said Resveratrol primarly activates it, which is found in the skin of grapes and in wine and other plants, but it's impossible to get enough Res that way. So there's pills (and I think Dr. Johnson has them on his site?) that activate SIRT1.

In addition to Resveratrol, calorie restriction and exercise can activate SIRT1 (according to the studies I read). I guess that's why the diet helps activate it, but there was overwhelming bias towards Resveratrol. I'm thinking of adding this in at some point. Has anyone used Resveratrol yet?

Did you know, per Wiki... "In mouse and rat experiments, anti-cancer, anti-inflammatory, blood-sugar-lowering and other beneficial cardiovascular effects of resveratrol have been reported." Not to mention longevity!!

I've just been finding all of this very interesting.

[Maryposa]

Originally Posted by Kamicryze

BTW, if I may.. I was doing research on what activates SIRT1. LOTS of studies said Resveratrol primarly activates it, which is found in the skin of grapes and in wine and other plants, but it's impossible to get enough Res that way. So there's pills (and I think Dr. Johnson has them on his site?) that activate SIRT1.

In addition to Resveratrol, calorie restriction and exercise can activate SIRT1 (according to the studies I read). I guess that's why the diet helps activate it, but there was overwhelming bias towards Resveratrol. I'm thinking of adding this in at some point. Has anyone used Resveratrol yet?

Did you know, per Wiki... "In mouse and rat experiments, anti-cancer, anti-inflammatory, blood-sugar-lowering and other beneficial cardiovascular effects of resveratrol have been reported." Not to mention longevity!!

I've just been finding all of this very interesting.

I dunno, I am ALWAYS weary of "magic pills"... I guess I am a bit jaded, after having made a royal mess of my metabolism taking diet pills, phen fen, metabolife, etc etc etc.