JUDDDD / Alternate Day Diet April 2009

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by heatherdazy

it leaves me 60 extra calories I'd REALLY like to fill in with some protein. Any ideas?

egg whites

boiled shrimp

tuna

crab meat

nf ricotta cheese

Hebrew National low fat hot dog

Light Laughing Cow cheese wedges

[Leo41]

Sorry! I was reporting on those shake calories from memory, but I checked the jug, and it's actually 90 cal for 23g of protein (I calculate correctly when I use it because I always re-check packaging).

The brand is Syntrax Nectar. I got it because it comes in citrus flavors, and I thought it would be a nice change from the usual vanilla, chocolate--especially since I miss fruit. The one I have is "Caribbean Cooler," and it tastes like a strawberry/banana flavor. But it comes in a lot of different flavors.

[Redeemed]

Originally Posted by heatherdazy

Okay, so I'm starting with a MD today (about 1450 calories). It was supposed to be an UD, but DH took me out to dinner last night and a few drinks later, I'm up EIGHT lbs this morning.

I hadn't weighed myself in the last week, so it's possible I'd been overdoing the cheese again for a few days (as I have a tendency to do) but it still sucks to be up by eight lbs when low carbing and not having lost any in the first place, which means I'm actually fatter now than when I decided to lc again. Argh.

/rant

For down day (mwf), I got some store-brand high protein shakes to try out (20g vs 15g in Atkins) They're 170 calories, so I can have two of them and it leaves me 60 extra calories I'd REALLY like to fill in with some protein. Any ideas?

What about those low calorie shirtaki (sp?) noodles so many people are posting about? Then, there are those miracle noodles that are supposed to be calorie free. I have not tried either, but may get some shirtaki noodles because I heard the other ones have a funky smell.

[jgw]

Good morning JUDDDers!
I made it through the weekend without problems and I don't think I did too much damage.
UD Saturday and Mod day Yesterday.

DD today.
Have a great day!

[heatherdazy]

DD today. Just the two shakes, I think.

I may look for the shiritaki noodles on an UD... I don't think I'm going to go to the grocery today. I'm going to get out of the house and get my nails done and go to the bookstore.

And three of those eight lbs were bogus and are gone today, so that makes me feel a teeny bit better.

[Leo41]

I did the same thing, Janice--UD on Saturday and "medium" day on Sunday.

I'm beginning to think that I actually prefer DDs because I don't have to think about what to eat! And I'm so used to DDs that I'm rarely saying, "I'll eat that tomorrow," so on my UDs I'm faced with deciding what to eat, etc.

What amazes me about JUDDD is the total absence of any desire to overeat on UDs. Perhaps it's because I don't want to ruin the accomplishment of DDs, but whatever the reason, it's great!

[homestretch]

Originally Posted by Leo41

What amazes me about JUDDD is the total absence of any desire to overeat on UDs. Perhaps it's because I don't want to ruin the accomplishment of DDs, but whatever the reason, it's great!

This is me too! I cannot seem to have a good UD because I can't get the food in. I am not hungry and just do not care to eat a lot. Friday I did have an UD because I ate some chocolate....darn Easter bunny!

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by Redeemed

What about those low calorie shirtaki (sp?) noodles so many people are posting about? Then, there are those miracle noodles that are supposed to be calorie free. I have not tried either, but may get some shirtaki noodles because I heard the other ones have a funky smell.

Redeemed:

Hate to break it you you, kiddo, but they all smell before rinsing. Also, "Miracle Noddles" are just a brand name for shirataki noodles.

See here:

SHIRATAKIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!


No protein in the noodles, btw. (I believe HeatherDazy was specifically looking for 60 cals of protein.)

[homestretch]

Is everyone here sticking to very low carb? Here is what I am finding with this WOE. I am allowing myself to have more carbs and in fact I am not counting them. I had stayed VLC for so long and I love it but I really feel like variety is key to a healthy diet. In the last week I have had organic whole grain bread, cantaloupe, fat free refried beans and blueberries. I know that may not sound like a high carb diet but compared to the way I had been eating it is. My DD's seem to be low carb and my UD's are moderate carb. What is everyone else doing?

[heatherdazy]

I decided to go ahead and bring my carbs up to Atkins-maintenance levels for UDs mainly because it makes counting calories SO much easier (for me) if I can have a big bowl of strawberries for a snack rather than a few tiny bites of tuna salad.

DDs I am just having shakes (for now) so I'll be around 6g of carbs total. I don't know about DDs in the future yet.

[Ilpirata]

JUMPING AHEAD: (I'm back at page four you guys were busy this weekend!)

This may seem slow to some, but I went an entire year losing and gaining the same 10 lbs before I started JUDDD! There's been no gain in these 15 weeks, just a steady (sometimes very slow) downward trend. I'm ecstatic.

On Thursday, I go to New Orleans for 4 days, and I'm inspired by this success to control my eating, trying for 4 "medium" days, since it will be impossible to do any DDs while I'm away. If I can do it, this will be a real success in the city that I consider the eating capital of America:-)

Dang Leo! You are kicking A$$
I think you'll do just fine on your vacay - after all its JUST FOUR DAYS which is basically what my vacation was too. And I recovered from that in about a week.
Gosh Girl I'm SO HAPPY FOR YOU!!!!

[Ilpirata]

JUMPING AHEAD AGAIN (I'm on page five now LOL):

since I restarted JUDDD 1 & 1/2 weeks ago I'm down 3 pounds.
Have a great day!

Sounds like you are firmly back on track! WTG.

[Ilpirata]

Is everyone here sticking to very low carb? Here is what I am finding with this WOE. I am allowing myself to have more carbs and in fact I am not counting them. I had stayed VLC for so long and I love it but I really feel like variety is key to a healthy diet. In the last week I have had organic whole grain bread, cantaloupe, fat free refried beans and blueberries. I know that may not sound like a high carb diet but compared to the way I had been eating it is. My DD's seem to be low carb and my UD's are moderate carb. What is everyone else doing?

I was VLC for months and months but then broke a three month stall by upping my carbs to about 35 and my cals to about 2000 per day. Stalled again for three months before I found JUDD. Right now my UD carbs are coming in between 50 and eighty most days. Never over 100. DD are very low carb.

[Ilpirata]

So I have been doing true UD DD UD DD UD DD UD rotation... or I should say trying to. My problem is when DD falls on a weekend day when i am home most of the day. I think I am going to try a new schedule:

M: DD
T: UD
W: DD
Th: UD
Fr: DD

(These days are always a piece of cake for me as I am only home for a couple of hours on Monday, Wednesday & Friday)

Sat: UD
Sun: Medium Day. (1200 cals)

I think it should be around 1200 calories. Right now my UD are supposed to be 2000 and DD around 400 which gives me an average of 1200 cals per day... so having MD come in at that average makes sense and should leave my weekly totals the same. MAKE SENSE?

My totals for Yesterday MD came in right on track:

Calories 1,165
Fat 69.8 617 57 %
Carbohydrate 66.1 257 24 %
Dietary Fiber 8.4
Protein 54.6 212 20 %
Alcohol 0.0 0 0 %

High on carbs.
I ALMOST hit my goal of 193 on Saturday. Hoping for 192 NEXT SATURDAY. Should be able to get there.

[Leo41]

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Kisha. I really appreciate this board for the help in staying on track.

Homestretch - I'm hypothyriod and have been told to keep the carbs no less than 30g a day, and that's also what Dr. Eades recommends, and I pretty much follow the principles of his ProteinPower. I couple of times prior to JUDDD I tried going lower (to spur loss), and I really felt awful. This shows how our bodies change because the first time I did Atkins (eons ago), I thrived on very low carb--practically zero and had difficulty trying to add any carbs at all.

Retro - A long time ago, I tried those noodles (whichever ones are NOT soy), and although I pride myself that I can eat anything, I had to throw them away. They tasted like rubber bands, no matter how much I tried to saute them in olive oil and garlic or add sauce--still rubber bands. I know some people love them, but even if they had minus calories, I wouldn't bother with them:-)

I tried something on Saturday (UD) that actually could be fixed for a DD. I used a vegetable peeler to make a mound of zucchini strips (half a medium zucchini made a nice portion for one). Then I heated a little olive oil, sauteed some garlic and then added the zucchini strips, which cooked quickly because they are so thin. On the plate I sprinkled some parmesan cheese on top, and they were delicious. If it were a DD, I'd probably use my Pam with the garlic and use less cheese (if any at all).

I discovered this on the boards where people were using this instead of noodles (i.e., adding sauce), but I liked them this way and really don't have any desire for noodles.

[Leo41]

Kisha-You rock! I remember when you were trying to break 200, and now you'll soon be in the 180s!

I envy you getting out of the house because I'm retired an home all day! But I think it's even easier for me because I live alone and can control the food available--plus I can make my hot tea that gets me through DDs.

The plan you have now is similar to mine, and although at first I struggled not to make Sunday just another UD, it's now working for me as a "medium" day. I realized that I actually had to think about it differently and plan just as much as a DD--decide in advance what I'd eat. I had been "winging" it on Saturdays and allowed that to slide over to Sundays as well. Treating Sunday as a different day with careful planning works better for me.

But keep in mind that even when both my weekend days were UDs, I was losing.

[jgw]

Originally Posted by homestretch

Is everyone here sticking to very low carb? Here is what I am finding with this WOE. I am allowing myself to have more carbs and in fact I am not counting them. I had stayed VLC for so long and I love it but I really feel like variety is key to a healthy diet. In the last week I have had organic whole grain bread, cantaloupe, fat free refried beans and blueberries. I know that may not sound like a high carb diet but compared to the way I had been eating it is. My DD's seem to be low carb and my UD's are moderate carb. What is everyone else doing?

I was lowcarbing also but now I eat healthy whole grain breads and more fruit and veggies.
Low carb is great and I did lose a lot of weight but I got to a place where I could not lose like I once did. I also wanted to more to a more balanced diet where I could eat fruit and veggies.
On my DD I eat more like lowcarb and my UD I eat pretty much what I'm feeling that day but not a lot of sugars.

[Ilpirata]

I envy you getting out of the house because I'm retired an home all day! But I think it's even easier for me because I live alone and can control the food available--plus I can make my hot tea that gets me through DDs.

I don't know how you do it! That at home Sunday is just too hard for me. And I really need that day to rest since I'm go go go go go all week long! Since MD for me means 1200 cals that really is quite ALOT of food. I don't have kids or husband but I DO have roomates... one of whom is a chef that likes to bake cookies~! So yeah there are definately temptations in my home.

[Ilpirata]

I was lowcarbing also but now I eat healthy whole grain breads and more fruit and veggies.
Low carb is great and I did lose a lot of weight but I got to a place where I could not lose like I once did. I also wanted to more to a more balanced diet where I could eat fruit and veggies.

This is the point I am at also. I am definately still low carb since I never eat over 100 grams of carbs even on UD. But WAY MORE carbs than ever before... not from fruit, fruit isn't my thing but mostly from vegetables including CARROTS which I have no qualms about eating dipped in hummus (another not zero carb food). I am liking the freedom and so far it hasn't caused any crazy cravings OR binge type eating (I actually haven't done that since I started low carb over a year and a half ago)

[kind]

Hi every one.
Im back on track with Juddd. Today3rd. day. and is a dd.
My curves is doing another diet class{ and a new program for weight loss {tonight}. was giving the new book with lots of tips.
and they want me to do it with them Plus they will be cooking some meals ect.
But you know I love Judd and it works for me when I dont fall off.{The plan}
So just doing judd with all u gals and hope for a great year with weight off and toning body.
So just call me a Judder.
kind
Hope to start posting alot.{ It helps me.}

[mammapo]

Maryposa

Don't be stressed about how high UDs seem to be calculated for you -- you want to do as Leo does, and consider the two UD/DD combo as a pair. Calculate the total daily calories (TDC):

That is - UD+ DD / 2

So this is my stats for an example

UD = 1874
DD = 374

TDA = UD (1874) = DD (374) /2 = 1124 calories. As you can see, this is VERY different than just staring at the UD and going ... according to Livestrong a woman of my height and weight and build should be eating 1394 calories a day to lose TWO pounds a week.....!!!!

So I'm eating 270 Total Daily Calories LESS than if I followed the guidelines... it's just that I eat them all (mostly) on UDs. According to what I've been able to suss out, Dr. J considers this "light moderate" activity

Savvy?

Your UD/DD totals look like this:

You'll need to add 300 calories to each day that you do 3 miles of excercise. It's 100 cal per mile, regardless of time or speed....


UD = 3205
DD = 641

TDA = 3205 +641 / 2 == 1923

Honestly, that's just about right for your stats. So don't freak out!!!

Take your UDs as a license to basically eat whatever you want - trust me, I do that and I still come in around 2200 calories, so my guess is you'll be fine.

Then stick with your DD calories and Do not cheat yourself.


Here's the lineup if you're counting as no excercise. Then simply add 300 calories to the day you excercise 3 miles, or 200 if you do 2 miles, etc. DO NOT CHEAT YOURSELF!!!! or you may go into starvation mode!!!!!!!!


UD = 2482
DD = 641

TDA = 2482 + 641 / 2 == 1562



DO NOT CHEAT YOURSELF!!! We tend to think that if some deprivation is good, then more is better.... this is stinking thinking! You need 'feasts' on your UDs so that your body doesn't freak on your DDs. You need 'fasts' on your DDs so your body will burn fat!

If you MUST cut calories because you're too freaked out, cut them on DDs. Dr. J said the ideal would be to fast on DDs but because it's not realistic, they created the whole scale of 20%+ etc.... so if you MUST cut, it should be during that DD of 641.

Yes, it's scary to suddenly be allowed to actually eat again. Most of us did the freak out thing at first. Take a deep breath and jump into the deep end. You'll be glad you did.

Cool Beans???

Naomi

[Ilpirata]

Naomi,

You're a GEM!

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by heatherdazy

Hi! Thought I should let you guys know I've been lurking... (just finished reading the March thread) and I'm maybe thinking about trying this.

Low carb just hasn't been working for me this time around. I've been dieting all year and I have nothing to show for it except ONE lb lost and a great deal of frustration gained.

I typically do best when I plan out my meals a day ahead, but don't have the willpower to do that kind of planing every single day. I feel like I've been pushed into having to track calories, but again, tracking everything everyday is just unrealistic for me.

I'm tired of obsessing over food... whether it's all the things I can't eat or wondering when I'm going to eat next.

I've noticed that certain types of programs work better for some than others. Do I sound like a good candidate for this plan or should I think about looking into something else?

You sound like me - this has been ideal for me, because I basically eat what I want on UDs, to hunger, and then eat only salads (with salad spritzer or vinegar) and a very small amount of protein at my dinner meal on DDs. So eat whatever, and then basically don't eat. Over and Over. That's it - no counting carbs/protein/fat for me, and I can always have a legal UD cheat day for holidays etc. So no more 'I can't have that' when I'm out and about.

There's no feeling of failure either. If I have 2 UDs in a row, it's still on plan (we can do that once a week) and I jsut get on a DD the next day. Every UD is only 24 hours from a DD, so there's no new induction period etc where you screwed up so you have to start all over.

I love it!

I eat fries, sweets, basically whatever on my UDs and I still have lost an average of 1 pound a week. Definitely worth considering.

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by Clannad

So I am wondering, based on some of the posts recently, do all of you here think Judddd is extreme? Maybe it's seems dumb to even ask, but I hadn't thought of it that way. I mean I don't equate it with what I call crash type diets. And I can get in loads of healthy foods so I don't think I am harming my body doing this. I was thinking it was a creative way to get an average calorie count down to where it needs to be for effective permanent weightloss, with the added bonus of some potential health benefits through fasting. Maybe I am wrong? Please set me straight if I am.

I think of it as far less extreme than any other diet I've been on - less obsessing, less counting, less forbidden foods, less macro nutrient imbalances. I love love love JUDDD because I can finally be 'normal' again.

Nope - not extreme at all!

[jgw]

Originally Posted by mammapo

I think of it as far less extreme than any other diet I've been on - less obsessing, less counting, less forbidden foods, less macro nutrient imbalances. I love love love JUDDD because I can finally be 'normal' again.

Nope - not extreme at all!

right on!

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by Redeemed

What about those low calorie shirtaki (sp?) noodles so many people are posting about? Then, there are those miracle noodles that are supposed to be calorie free. I have not tried either, but may get some shirtaki noodles because I heard the other ones have a funky smell.

All of them have a funky/fishy smell until you rinse them. It's the culture they're 'brewed' in. Rinse well, repeat, and heat.... no funky smell!

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by homestretch

Is everyone here sticking to very low carb? Here is what I am finding with this WOE. I am allowing myself to have more carbs and in fact I am not counting them. I had stayed VLC for so long and I love it but I really feel like variety is key to a healthy diet. In the last week I have had organic whole grain bread, cantaloupe, fat free refried beans and blueberries. I know that may not sound like a high carb diet but compared to the way I had been eating it is. My DD's seem to be low carb and my UD's are moderate carb. What is everyone else doing?

I don't low carb at all on UDs

My DD carbs naturally tend to fall around 40-80 carbs

I'm loving being able to eat carbs again, and I don't regret doing it a bit!

[Clannad]

Hi all! So today is my last liquid or protein shake fast day before Easter. But I think I will continue with it. Maybe I'll do low cal green smoothies instead. I love those things. I guess I'll see how it goes.

So Sat was a MD and Sun was very much an UD. A little too carby for me, junky carbs that is. I gave in because I was away from home, tired and hungry. And I felt gross afterwards. A good reminder to be prepared and bring something along with me.

I'll be back later to catch up.

[mammapo]

4 MONTH STAT SIGN_IN

Here's my 4 month figures, All:

Weeks on JUDDD: 13 (4 months, 1 week)
Start Weight (I found this on one of my journals - higher than I thought ): 184.4
Current Weight: 167

Total Loss: 17.4 pounds
Total Loss Average per Week: 1.33 pounds per week!

Sizes lost: 1

Low Carbing?: NO
Counting calories on UDs as well as DDs? NO
Exercising? NO


Sounds pretty good to me.

And (soooooo excited about this one): I've stayed UNDER 170 for a full week - first time in 8 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ilpirata]

So Sat was a MD and Sun was very much an UD. A little too carby for me, junky carbs that is. I gave in because I was away from home, tired and hungry. And I felt gross afterwards. A good reminder to be prepared and bring something along with me.

Hey, today is a new (DOWN) Day. You'll get right back on track and be A-Okay.