JUDDDD / Alternate Day Diet April 2009

[vanilla_latte]

Retroworx - That's awesome!

I'm in and out today, got a busy day. Just weighed and TRNG showed another loss of a couple of lbs. (probably water but who cares!).

Question - how do I multi-quote?? And I'm having a dickens of a time getting my weight loss ticker (from Ticker Factory) to show using the thingamajig. And I'm pretty 'puter savvy! :blush:

Have a great day, ladies!

[Maryposa]

Speaking of BCP, I have started to wonder if that's why I haven't been able to lose lately?? My Dr. said the pill I am on is not one that causes significant weight gain or that would hinder my WL efforts.

[Maryposa]

Today is DD for me and despite having a big ribeye for dinner last night I woke up hungry this morning. So I drank an Atkins shake right away and going to make some almond breeze coffee too and hope the protein/fat kill the hunger a bit. The first DD I was not hungry at all, and I had eaten less the day before that one because I wasn't all that hungry. I am wondering if it would be wise to stop eating fairly early in the day on UD so I don't wake up hungry on DD?

Anyway going to Costco soon, oh and I have bought their protein RTD shakes before (I think they are Premier brand and they are good and LC so I am gonna check out their profile vs Atkins... I know they are cheaper!!!!

[Leo41]

Jean-
You wrote:

"I guess the reason I thought this plan might work for me is that on up days I could eat at maintenance calories and maybe that would stop the deprivation cycle of trying to low carb everyday."

I actually have a similar reason for being on JUDDD. Because of my age and medical situation, I have to eat <1000 cal daily to lose. But trying to do that every day got me frustrated and led to overeating--and no loss. Being able to eat comfortably every other day makes it possible for me to maintain a very low calorie "average." Although I try not to eat more than 1400 calories on my UDs, after a day of 400, that seems like a feast--so no sense of deprivation at all.

A lot of people on JUDDD don't low carb at all, and I know that Kisha eats higher carbs than she did when she was not on JUDDD, so you might consider that, too.

[Leo41]

Maryposa

Personally, I wouldn't trust anything a doctor told me about meds. If you have a reliable pharmacist, you might ask there about your bcp. I get much better info about meds from my pharmacist than from my doctors.

I've known a lot of women who could not lose when they were on bcp--although that was many years ago.

[Jean@125]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Jean-
You wrote:

"I guess the reason I thought this plan might work for me is that on up days I could eat at maintenance calories and maybe that would stop the deprivation cycle of trying to low carb everyday."

I actually have a similar reason for being on JUDDD. Because of my age and medical situation, I have to eat <1000 cal daily to lose. But trying to do that every day got me frustrated and led to overeating--and no loss. Being able to eat comfortably every other day makes it possible for me to maintain a very low calorie "average." Although I try not to eat more than 1400 calories on my UDs, after a day of 400, that seems like a feast--so no sense of deprivation at all.

A lot of people on JUDDD don't low carb at all, and I know that Kisha eats higher carbs than she did when she was not on JUDDD, so you might consider that, too.

Thank you! At this point I don't think it could hurt to give it a try. I am going out later to pick up the book. I looked at the website and have an idea where to start but was wondering about the different exercise levels. I do tend to exercise most days for up to an hour moderately but was not sure of which category to really use. I think sometimes that is where I get caught up by under eating when I exercise. But like has been said I don't want to over estimate for activity either. Jeanie

[Leo41]

I agree that it can't hurt to give it a try! I'm a coward and only exercise on my UDs, although Dr. J says that you can add calories for exercise if you know how many you burn. I just don't want to bother with that, and physically working out 3 days a week is all I can manage.

If you have any questions, those of us who have been doing this for a while may be able to help, but basically, it's all laid out pretty clearly.

[Jean@125]

Originally Posted by Leo41

I agree that it can't hurt to give it a try! I'm a coward and only exercise on my UDs, although Dr. J says that you can add calories for exercise if you know how many you burn. I just don't want to bother with that, and physically working out 3 days a week is all I can manage.

If you have any questions, those of us who have been doing this for a while may be able to help, but basically, it's all laid out pretty clearly.

Thanks so much! As soon as the roast in the oven is done I am going to pick up the book. I may just count today as my down day as all I have had so far is a low carb shake and coffee. Not really planned just the way it's been today I overate yesterday so I am just not hungry. I think you're probably on to something about the exercise only on up days that would be realistic. We will see. Jeanie

[Redeemed]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Maryposa

Personally, I wouldn't trust anything a doctor told me about meds. If you have a reliable pharmacist, you might ask there about your bcp. I get much better info about meds from my pharmacist than from my doctors.

I've known a lot of women who could not lose when they were on bcp--although that was many years ago.

Boy, did this statement jump out at me! I dunno - I think perhaps finding a doctor you trust is a good idea. Try to find someone you feel confident about when they explain a medication. I have had my doctor for 15 years and trust her explicitly when she explains a med. Although, if a doctor, nurse or pharmacist tells me something, I always do my own research.

[Leo41]

I've had bad experiences with doctors,* so I know their limitations--and drugs is one of them. Personally, I've never had a doctor explain a med he or she is prescribing. For example, with thyroid T4 (synthroid and its cognates), it's important to take on an empty stomach an hour before eating and not take antacids for 4 hours before or after. I had it prescribed by two different endos (who are otherwise quite competent and lovely people), and no one said a word about this. Fortunately, I research any medication I'm prescribed, and I ask the pharmacist if I have any questions.

That's why I mentioned that it was possible that the doctor was incorrect in assuming that the BCPs didn't affect weight loss. They simply don't keep up with all the drugs they prescribe, mostly relying on the drug reps to keep them current.

*When I was 18 I had a ruptured appendix and peritonitis (almost died) because our family doctor kept insisted that I had only a "harmless stomach virus"--although I had what I now know are classic symptoms.

*It took 5 years and two unnecessary carpal tunnel surgeries before I was able to get a diagnosis of hypothyroid--again with classic symptoms. I was finally diagnosed when 1) I found a body temperature test on the internet and took it; 2) self-referred myself to an endo with those test results.

[jgw]

Good morning everyone
Leo congrats on your 20 pound weight loss.

since I restarted JUDDD 1 & 1/2 weeks ago I'm down 3 pounds.
Have a great day!

[Redeemed]

Leo: One of the challenges health care professionals are facing today is the knowledgable, medically savvy individual, like yourself. People are more informed, have medical information at their fingertips, and will not accept a statement just because a doctor said so. More and more people are demanding their health care providers be skilled, knowledgable and correct when treating them. This is very positive. There is, however, a tendency for some people to get incorrect medical information off the internet, incorrect information from doctor-wannabe's, and self-diagnose or self-treat serious conditions. I have had issues with health care providers also, so I don't want to minimize your complaints. But I do feel it very important to find a health care provider you can trust (or a wholalistic practitioner). I absolutely agree with you to research whatever is being offered to you for treatment.

[Redeemed]

Janice: Congratulations on the weightloss!

[Clannad]

For BCP, everyone is different and have different reactions to them. You have to know your body well. If you think they are causing weight gain or lack of weight loss, then you should bring that up to your doctor and request a change. Maybe do some research on different brands or other BC methods you may like to switch to and bring that to the table. And I completely agree with Redeemed, you have to find a good doctor or holistic doctor that you trust. Don't self diagnose. Be aware and educated, but don't treat yourself. You have options. There are great doctors, who are up to date and are willing work with you.

[Redeemed]

Well, what I see surfacing from my discussion with Leo is the need to find a doctor you trust and talk to your doctors about the meds they prescribe. Ask what the side effects are; ask when to take the meds; ask what foods to avoid; ask questions like: "Is there anything I need to know about this med?" Well, to change the subject a little, Leo brought up the subject of antacids. Oh, my - talk about misuse of a product! People pop antacids like candy and they don't realize the effect that antacids have on the body's ph balance in the stomach. They can block the absorption of medications and cause an imbalance in stomach acids. Leo brought up a legitimate concern: Doctors really should teach their patients about antacids, and bring the subject up when prescribing a med. On another thread, I read where Charski said apples help to relieve heartburn. I wish doctors would make suggestions about natural remedies before prescribing pills. Thank you, Leo, for generating this discussion.

[Clannad]

I too wish doctors in general would recommend some natural remedies before suggesting meds, prescribed or otc. The one thing I like about my obgyn is that she does do this. For my PMDD, she recommended natural hormone type creams and to change my diet and get regular exercise before going any further, just to be sure before she prescribed anything. And I didn't know how damaging antacids could be. Yes, this is a good discussion.

Oh, and I wanted to clarify ... when I mentioned that one should not self diagnose, I wasn't aiming that at anyone in particular. I was just joining in on the discussion.

[Clannad]

Originally Posted by jgw

Good morning everyone
Leo congrats on your 20 pound weight loss.

since I restarted JUDDD 1 & 1/2 weeks ago I'm down 3 pounds.
Have a great day!

Whoo hoo! Wtg!!

[jgw]

Thanks y'all!

[Leo41]

But if I didn't self diagnose, I never would have had my thyroid treated!

I think there's difference between trying to find out what's wrong (when a doctor insists it's nothing) and then finding a doctor who will treat you, as opposed to "self treatment with OTC things. The latter I would NEVER do.

But it literally took 5 years to get a doctor to take my hypothyroid symptoms seriously. Part of the problem is that many of them see a menopausal, overweight woman and immediately decide that her fatigue is simply aging. But we live in our own bodies and know when it's not the usual fatigue; however, most doctors don't credit what the patient says--only test results.

Years ago, when I lived in another state, I had a primary doctor who used to ask, "What do you think it is?" The first time he said that, I was surprised and said, "Didn't you go to medical school so that YOU can tell me?" He laughed and said, "You inhabit your body and are used to how you feel, etc. When something is not right, the patient usually has good instincts about what the problem might be or at least can describe accurately how he or she feels."

I've never met another doctor with that attitude. And it's not just patients they don't trust. Just recently, I had my annual check up with my cardiologist. I have a slight swelling in my ankles, and I asked him about that. He assured me that my heart is excellent and that the swelling is due to a failure of the veins in my lower legs (CVI) as a result of aging. (Suggested support hose, which have helped tremendously.)

The following week, I had a check up with my primary doctor. He noticed the swelling and told me that it was probably a "weak heart." I told him about my visit with the cardiologist (a doctor he knows). He said, "No, it's your heart." He not only had NO basis for that conclusion, he was openly contradicting a specialist who has run tests, etc. on my heart.

(I know; you wonder why I go to this guy. He bought the practice when my former primary retired a couple of years ago, and it was just easier to continue, since I'd been there for so long. I guess I should start looking for someone else. . . .)

[Redeemed]

It's snowing outside and no weight loss this week. Well, the sun will shine eventually, and I will lose weight! I have my DD's down pat - between 400-500 calories. It's the UD's I need to zero in on. Too many calories I'm sure. Now, I'll start counting cals on UD's. I also need to start exercising. I know I'm going to have to try a little harder.

[heatherdazy]

Okay, so I'm starting with a MD today (about 1450 calories). It was supposed to be an UD, but DH took me out to dinner last night and a few drinks later, I'm up EIGHT lbs this morning.

I hadn't weighed myself in the last week, so it's possible I'd been overdoing the cheese again for a few days (as I have a tendency to do) but it still sucks to be up by eight lbs when low carbing and not having lost any in the first place, which means I'm actually fatter now than when I decided to lc again. Argh.

/rant

For down day (mwf), I got some store-brand high protein shakes to try out (20g vs 15g in Atkins) They're 170 calories, so I can have two of them and it leaves me 60 extra calories I'd REALLY like to fill in with some protein. Any ideas?

[Jean@125]

Originally Posted by heatherdazy

Okay, so I'm starting with a MD today (about 1450 calories). It was supposed to be an UD, but DH took me out to dinner last night and a few drinks later, I'm up EIGHT lbs this morning.

I hadn't weighed myself in the last week, so it's possible I'd been overdoing the cheese again for a few days (as I have a tendency to do) but it still sucks to be up by eight lbs when low carbing and not having lost any in the first place, which means I'm actually fatter now than when I decided to lc again. Argh.

/rant

For down day (mwf), I got some store-brand high protein shakes to try out (20g vs 15g in Atkins) They're 170 calories, so I can have two of them and it leaves me 60 extra calories I'd REALLY like to fill in with some protein. Any ideas?

Are you just starting? I just picked up the book last night and remember reading that during the first 2 weeks we can have 500 cals on down days so you could have 3 of those shakes and come in at 510 calories. Jeanie

[heatherdazy]

The calculator on the website told me 400 calories.

I will go pick up the book today, though.

[Jean@125]

Hi everyone,
Just wondering how many of you started the plan having the shakes only for the first two weeks? Thanks

[Leo41]

Redeemed- It could be your UDs. I've always counted on UDs, and I've noticed that if my total is too high (for me), there will be no loss. I have to keep my UDs well below the number I got from the calculator in order to lose.

Heatherdazy-
Did your dinner include carbs? If you've been low carbing and have carbs, you will show a BIG gain that is almost totally water. It's depressing, I know, but don't let it get you down. I think that phenomenon is the reason so many people give up on low carb WOE. They have one "dietary indiscretion" and see it wipe out all the loss they've had with so much effort.

Jean
I usually had (and often have now) two shakes on my DDs. But I like breakfast with my morning coffee, so from the beginning, I'd make myself an eggwhite omelet (Pam on pan) for less than 100 calories in the morning. Although Dr. J advocates shakes to insure that people KNOW how many calories they're injesting, I find them a good source of protein for few calories.

[Redeemed]

"Redeemed- It could be your UDs. I've always counted on UDs, and I've noticed that if my total is too high (for me), there will be no loss. I have to keep my UDs well below the number I got from the calculator in order to lose." ~ Leo

Leo: Yes, I do think it's calories on UD's. I checked on the box for the carrot cake I bought. It said 525 calories for 1/6 of the small cake. Well, I have been having a couple of pieces on UD's - along with other stuff. Well, ya can't have it all . After all, this is a diet. I still like JUDD better than any other woe I've tried. Tomorrow's a new day and I'll start over on UD's.

[heatherdazy]

Yes, there were carbs. I had two cosmos and shredded beef cooked in some sort of amazing heaven (hard to say what... the restaurant was VERY dark) with a big salad.

I'm guessing the cosmos and the amazing heaven had carbs. Oh, yes, and the slice of pineapple that was with the salad.

I'm doing the shakes because it seems easier than planning a day's worth or eating. I am planning and counting my UDs, so I want my DDs to be a break from that! I may consider the egg whites, though, as I am worried about not getting enough protein with this woe.

[Leo41]

Heather-

You should get plenty of protein from the shakes. That's actually why I use them on DD. I got both my brands from Netrition. One gives me 23g of protein for 80 calories, and from the other I get 18g of protein for 85 calories.

It's hard to manage that (high protein, low calories) with real food.

[heatherdazy]

Whoa, which one is 23g for 80cals? How does it taste?

[Maryposa]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Heather-

You should get plenty of protein from the shakes. That's actually why I use them on DD. I got both my brands from Netrition. One gives me 23g of protein for 80 calories, and from the other I get 18g of protein for 85 calories.

It's hard to manage that (high protein, low calories) with real food.

23g times 4cals/gram = 92 calories.. something doesn't add up? typo?