JUDDDD / Alternate Day Diet April 2009

[Maryposa]

Thanks everyone, and don't worry, I am going to give this a fair chance. I try to mix things up to find something to work, but give each thing at least a month in order to give it a fair chance to start working.

It just really freaked me out to see that I was back up to where I have been for months... ranging between 288-291.

For now I am following the suggestions "by the book"... I will only cut my UD calories down if I have to... last thing I want to do is screw up my metabolism even more than it is now.

[vanilla_latte]

Originally Posted by jgw

I just started taking the CLA 2 weeks ago did not add the GLA until yesterday.
I did the combo in the past and it worked great.

Thanks, that's great to know. I dug right in and began taking it last night. I'm not even messing with the lower dosage, I'm going for the 5 CLA and 4 GLA a day!

[vanilla_latte]

Mary, I feel your pain. It seems like my body just likes being at this weight and it drives me insane. I've been heavier (up to 40 lbs. heavier in the past), but once I always get down this weight, it just stops. But, like everyone else said, hang in there and keep one eye on the UD calories if things don't start happening soon. Have you measured?

[vanilla_latte]

I'm on a DD today. Had a pumpkin shake for breakfast, then again for lunch. I'd read where the CLA/GLA can suppress your appetite and I think it has a bit. If I don't have another shake for dinner, I'll have one of my lc oatmeal things from Netrition then something for a little snack later on (probably lc yogurt).

I weighed today and was the same - not too bad after an UD! I hope once I get back to getting some exercise in (this week was busy!) The Random Number Generator will be kind to me.

[Ilpirata]

I weighed today and was the same - not too bad after an UD! I hope once I get back to getting some exercise in (this week was busy!) The Random Number Generator will be kind to me.

LOL. No bounce up after UD? Thats AWESOME! My random number generator isn't so random after UD - it usually bounces UP. I suspect you'll see a loss tomorrow after DD today.

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by Clannad

So I am wondering, based on some of the posts recently, do all of you here think Judddd is extreme?

Depends what your definition of "extreme" is. If "out-of-the-norm", then yeah, totally. If "unhealthy", in theory, not. The whole premise of JUDDD is that your body will not react as "starved" from the DDs because it takes more than 1 of those at a time to trigger lowered metabolic responses and other aspects of the dread "starvation mode". Also, the average calorie intakes for the week still remain well within the norm for most.

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

I have GOT to try some Almond Breeze! Its much lower cal and carb than regular whole milk right?

Oh my gosh, K, how have you been surviving on restricted calories without this stuff?? Get some, girl. I suggest the Vanilla Unsweetened as opposed to just the plain unsweetened -- has more of a truer "milk" taste somehow.

Originally Posted by vanilla_latte

Question? I was just looking around and found that cla/gla thread - is anyone here taking the combo?

Originally Posted by vanilla_latte

I'm not even messing with the lower dosage, I'm going for the 5 CLA and 4 GLA a day!

I have been taking the combo for quite a while -- hasn't helped with weight loss per se, but perhaps with "rearranging" my abdominal fat??

Keep in mind that the combo contains oils and therefore calories. I think I totaled the calories in my supplements at some point and came up with a 90 calorie total! Really puts a crimp in a down day. When I was doing JUDDD I reduced the combo to just UDs.

Originally Posted by Maryposa

OK so I did something stupid... I weighed myself again since yesterday was another down day... I was going to wait until Sunday after my 3rd down day, but I caved and weighed. I was back UP to 288.8

Really, I almost cried.

This is exactly why my scale is now hiding in an undisclosed location with Dick Cheney.

[Ilpirata]

Oh my gosh, K, how have you been surviving on restricted calories without this stuff?? Get some, girl. I suggest the Vanilla Unsweetened as opposed to just the plain unsweetened -- has more of a truer "milk" taste somehow.

I DON'T KNOW!!!! I have been drinking whole cows milk. I am SO getting some of this next trip to Trader Joe's... and I'll probably get the vanilla or the chocolate unsweetened... and then sweeten it!

[Maryposa]

OK I feel better now... my co-worker who works on the other side of our building saw me today and she said "You have lost weight! It's really noticeable! How much have you lost?" And I told her "0!!!" And her jaw dropped... I told her I have lost some inches recently though. She insists there is a notable change in how I look. I don't know HOW my body is managing to build THAT much muscle

[vanilla_latte]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

LOL. No bounce up after UD? Thats AWESOME! My random number generator isn't so random after UD - it usually bounces UP. I suspect you'll see a loss tomorrow after DD today.

I was kinda surprised myself! When I was doing JUDDD before, I don't think I weighed ever after an UD - wouldn't be able to take it!

retroworx - Abdominal rearranging is what I'm hoping for! Along with thigh, upper arms, etc. Yep, I saw where the CLA has calories. At least the GLA doesn't. I'll have to see what tweaking needs to be done.

Ok, ladies, how to I do multi-quoting?

[vanilla_latte]

Originally Posted by Maryposa

OK I feel better now... my co-worker who works on the other side of our building saw me today and she said "You have lost weight! It's really noticeable! How much have you lost?" And I told her "0!!!" And her jaw dropped... I told her I have lost some inches recently though. She insists there is a notable change in how I look. I don't know HOW my body is managing to build THAT much muscle

Mary, that's awesome!! Just take it and go with it! Sometimes we can see changes that others can't (usually when we're nekkid! ) and then other times they see changes in us that we can't see.

At least you know something is working!

[Ilpirata]

Mary, that's awesome!! Just take it and go with it! Sometimes we can see changes that others can't (usually when we're nekkid! ) and then other times they see changes in us that we can't see.

At least you know something is working!

During the last few weeks pretty much EVERY SINGLE PERSON I have seen has said something to me about me losing weight etc. Yeah, I've lost over sixty pounds lol. Something about the size I am now is illiciting comment? Maybe cuz my waist is down to thirty two inches? That with the big boobs IS pretty noticable.

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

During the last few weeks pretty much EVERY SINGLE PERSON I have seen has said something to me about me losing weight etc. Yeah, I've lost over sixty pounds lol. Something about the size I am now is illiciting comment? Maybe cuz my waist is down to thirty two inches? That with the big boobs IS pretty noticable.

32 inch waist? Big boobs? Might it perchance be guys that are complimenting you these days, Kisha?

[Redeemed]

Originally Posted by Maryposa

Thanks everyone, and don't worry, I am going to give this a fair chance. I try to mix things up to find something to work, but give each thing at least a month in order to give it a fair chance to start working.

It just really freaked me out to see that I was back up to where I have been for months... ranging between 288-291.

For now I am following the suggestions "by the book"... I will only cut my UD calories down if I have to... last thing I want to do is screw up my metabolism even more than it is now.

The first week of JUDD I didn't loose anything. Weight loss didn't show on the scale until after the first 2 weeks. Now, it seems there's an acceleration of weight loss benefits. I'm losing inches and look forward to weigh in on Sunday. I went straight from Atkins to JUDD, so I do think it takes the body time to make adjustments. The diet does have many benefits and is well-worth giving it a fair chance to work.

[Ilpirata]

32 inch waist? Big boobs? Might it perchance be guys that are complimenting you these days, Kisha?

LOL... yeah guys notice but um they mostly actually DON'T say anything unless I've known them for a long time. ha! cowards.

[Ilpirata]

The first week of JUDD I didn't loose anything. Weight loss didn't show on the scale until after the first 2 weeks. Now, it seems there's an acceleration of weight loss benefits. I'm losing inches and look forward to weigh in on Sunday. I went straight from Atkins to JUDD, so I do think it takes the body time to make adjustments. The diet does have many benefits and is well-worth giving it a fair chance to work.

I remember being so impressed that you didn't give up! And so glad when your results starting really coming in!

[Redeemed]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

I remember being so impressed that you didn't give up! And so glad when your results starting really coming in!

Kisha, you sweetheart!!

[Jean@125]

Hi everyone,
How do you think this plan would work for someone like myself who tends to binge and gets depressed often? I saw the book for $11 at a used bookstore the other day and almost bought it.

[Ilpirata]

Hi everyone,
How do you think this plan would work for someone like myself who tends to binge and gets depressed often? I saw the book for $11 at a used bookstore the other day and almost bought it.

Well thats really hard to say. I don't know how good it would be for someone with disordered eating. The rigid tracking on DD followed by relative abundance on UD might trigger some disordered thinking/eating. As far as depression... I wish I knew but I just don't!

Are you able to lose weight through more conventional means like Atkins? You don't have too much farther to get to goal and I wonder what your experience has been with other plans.

For JUDD to be succesfully there really can't be binging. We have all had off weeks or off days or vacations but it is important to basically maintain the calorie deficit achieved by averaging the UD and DD calories together. How often do you binge? What do you think triggers your binges?

I wish I had a ready answer for you.

[Jean@125]

Kisha,
Thank you for responding. I cannot honestly answer most of your questions because I don't really know the answers. The longest I have gone without binging is 98 days and that was just in the last couple of months. I started feeling weepy and depressed and went off plan shortly thereafter and have been on/off plan every couple of days since.I do get depressed and the AD's will usually stop me from binging for a while until my body adapts to them and then I start binging again. I don't know what triggers them I can seemingly be going along fine and then out of the blue I am driven to eat. I was a very thin child and a slightly overweight teen. I think although I am not certain that the binging really began when I first started to diet and exercise in my early 20's in an effort to lose weight.

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by Jean@125

Hi everyone,
How do you think this plan would work for someone like myself who tends to binge and gets depressed often? I saw the book for $11 at a used bookstore the other day and almost bought it.

I believe it is quite possible that the pattern of severe restriction followed by the "relief" of the "free" day may make this a bad idea for binge eaters. IMHO.

[kamills]

I'm considering this, so just subscribing for the moment until I'm unhappy with my current woe. I'll be lurking. You all are doing great!

[Leo41]

Jean-
Do you mean a severe binge, as with an ED, or just some serious overeating off plan? The reason I ask is because I think JUDDD could cause a problem for anyone with ED tendencies because of the severe restriction on alternate days. But if it's just a matter of overeating from depression, JUDDD might help because my experience has been that it's given me more of a sense of control of my eating than I've had at any other time in my life.

However, we're all individuals, so it's difficult to say how it would affect you.

As for depression, I've recently read about a doctor who thinks that low carb eating can lead to a deficit in serotonin for many people and that causes depression. She advocates eating something carby just before bedtime to help--e.g., a baked potato. Her theory is that the increased insulin from the carbs at bedtime will not affect appetite much but will restore the serotonin and alleviate any depression. I don't know how valid this is, but I thought I'd mention it if you find that low carb leads to bouts of depression for you.

[Leo41]

JUDDD Report:

This morning was my weekly weigh-in, and I was down a pound for the week. Nothing spectacular, but I mark my weight on a calendar to watch the pattern. I decided to see how long I've been doing JUDDD and what the total loss has been. I was astounded.

I've been on JUDDD for 15 weeks and have lost a total of 20 lbs.

This may seem slow to some, but I went an entire year losing and gaining the same 10 lbs before I started JUDDD! There's been no gain in these 15 weeks, just a steady (sometimes very slow) downward trend. I'm ecstatic.

On Thursday, I go to New Orleans for 4 days, and I'm inspired by this success to control my eating, trying for 4 "medium" days, since it will be impossible to do any DDs while I'm away. If I can do it, this will be a real success in the city that I consider the eating capital of America:-)

[Redeemed]

LEO: Congratulations on the 20 lb. weight loss since starting JUDD. Have a great time in New Orleans!

[Jean@125]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Jean-
Do you mean a severe binge, as with an ED, or just some serious overeating off plan? The reason I ask is because I think JUDDD could cause a problem for anyone with ED tendencies because of the severe restriction on alternate days. But if it's just a matter of overeating from depression, JUDDD might help because my experience has been that it's given me more of a sense of control of my eating than I've had at any other time in my life.

However, we're all individuals, so it's difficult to say how it would affect you.

As for depression, I've recently read about a doctor who thinks that low carb eating can lead to a deficit in serotonin for many people and that causes depression. She advocates eating something carby just before bedtime to help--e.g., a baked potato. Her theory is that the increased insulin from the carbs at bedtime will not affect appetite much but will restore the serotonin and alleviate any depression. I don't know how valid this is, but I thought I'd mention it if you find that low carb leads to bouts of depression for you.

Thanks for your response. I don't know if it is low serotonin or not but I always go off plan after a couple of months of doing great. I feel it building up over a few days and then I just pop. I have actually cried while doing a workout trying to fight off the urge to go and eat everything in sight.
Keeping the food out of the house doesn't help I'll just go out and buy it.
I read about the carb thing at night too but I am afraid to try it.
I guess the reason I thought this plan might work for me is that on up days I could eat at maintenance calories and maybe that would stop the deprivation cycle of trying to low carb everyday.

[Clannad]

Jean , when you overeat, are you getting cravings? If so, then it might be a hormone issue? I'm just throwing this out there based on my own experiences. I have no expert type of advice for you, but I thought I'd mention what happened to me if it can help you. I've had hormonal issues over the last few years (since my daughter was born) and one of my symptoms was horrible, irresistible cravings and I would everything I could find. I couldn't stop until my cravings were gone. I never overate before having my daughter btw. Another symptom was depression.

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by Leo41

[B]I've been on JUDDD for 15 weeks and have lost a total of 20 lbs.

Leo:

(it's not every day I have an excuse to be so indiscriminate with the emoticons!)

[Clannad]

Congratulations Leo!!!!

[Jean@125]

Originally Posted by Clannad

Jean , when you overeat, are you getting cravings? If so, then it might be a hormone issue? I'm just throwing this out there based on my own experiences. I have no expert type of advice for you, but I thought I'd mention what happened to me if it can help you. I've had hormonal issues over the last few years (since my daughter was born) and one of my symptoms was horrible, irresistible cravings and I would everything I could find. I couldn't stop until my cravings were gone. I never overate before having my daughter btw. Another symptom was depression.

Thank you. How did you figure out it was hormonal? How is JUDD working for you now? Jeanie

ETA: I guess you would call it cravings? I usually start out by feeling that a low carb/high fat meal really isn't satiating which progresses to eating more of the same and then eventually on to high carb sugary junk.

[Clannad]

Originally Posted by Jean@125

Thank you. How did you figure out it was hormonal? How is JUDD working for you now? Jeanie

ETA: I guess you would call it cravings? I usually start out by feeling that a low carb/high fat meal really isn't satiating which progresses to eating more of the same and then eventually on to high carb sugary junk.

I told my obgyn my symptoms and she diagnosed me with PMDD. Long story short, after a year of trying out natural methods to 'fix' my hormones, I went back to my obgyn and she put me on bcp, with possibility of AD if needed, and I went on lc to help with blood sugar issues. Things have improved slowly and cravings and overeating became less and less. But I would still over eat with lc legal foods, so I was having a tough time getting my calories down, preventing me from getting down to my goal weight. And I was worried about my health more than anything. So that is where Juddd has helped me out. I've been on it for about a month with working out, and have lost about 7 lbs.

ETA - High carb and sugar were what I craved ... just pure junk.