JUDDDD / Alternate Day Diet April 2009

[Leo41]

Heatherdazy-

I just noticed that you commented that you don't like having to count calories. Then JUDDD really isn't for you. I've always counted calories and I have to do it much more intensely with JUDDD. Since I eat only 400 cal on a DD, I have to be creative in getting enough quality food for that small number, so I'm always thinking in terms of calories. In addition, if I don't watch calories on my UD, I won't lose, so I count carefully there as well (although the number is higher). I don't think JUDDD can work for you unless you actually like counting.

Kisha-

I want to compliment you on your very clear and precise explanation of Whoosh. You seemed to think you were not accurate, but it was exactly right and very well stated. And thanks for once again taking us into the new month!

[jgw]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

OMG! I bet you get one!

MY GOAL FOR APRIL IS:
Lose Four Pounds of body fat GONE FOREVER. That will be one pound per week average and i think i can do it. Hoping to weigh in at 190 by the end of April. And would be OVERJOYED if I could clock down into a new decade! 180's HERE I COME!

Additional Goals:
Not miss my meds - take ALL doses
Drink my water EVERY DAY
Stick to solid UD DD alternating
Not exceed 2000 cals on UD (not by much at least lol)
Not exceed 500 cals on DD
FOR THE WHOLE MONTH!

Kisha great goals, can I steal them?

[jgw]

Originally Posted by Maryposa

Hi Brandy

oh h*ll no, I could not eat anything I want... tried that on weight watchers and stayed ON PLAN and gained 8 lb in two weeks!!!!! Yes, I am staying VLC, and Kisha is also LC, don't know about anyone else yet (new here! Yesterday was my first down day!)

Mary I don't do low carb. I eat basically healthy foods.

[jgw]

Originally Posted by brandyxoxo25

Ya know! I just thought of the PERFECT DD food! Egg Drop Soup! Two full containers of chicken broth are only 80cal and then you just temper in egg whites, and add in some green onion! I actually think I am gonna make up a big pot of it tonight, and try it tomorrow!

Welcome Brandy
Thanks for the reminder of the Egg drop soup. Yum! It was a fav when I was LCing. I still love it now.

[jgw]

Originally Posted by heatherdazy

Low carb just hasn't been working for me this time around. I've been dieting all year and I have nothing to show for it except ONE lb lost and a great deal of frustration gained.

I'm tired of obsessing over food... whether it's all the things I can't eat or wondering when I'm going to eat next.

I've noticed that certain types of programs work better for some than others. Do I sound like a good candidate for this plan or should I think about looking into something else?

Heather I wish you the best on this program. Low carb is great and I have lost a lot of weight with it. But this time around it's not working for me either.
I love the freedom of JUDDDing. Give it a try.

[Redeemed]

'" Happy April ladies!! Today is my birthday and while Wednesday is usually a DD for us, today definately was not! Tomorrow will be though for sure. I love this way of eating!
Brandy, I am not doing low carb at all on this program and I lost 12 pounds in March. I was finding low carb was not working for me in general and wanted to try something completely different. I still post here though because the support is amazing.

April for me will be a toughie because I am going to be following a candida diet at the same time as doing JUDDD. My goal for weight loss is ambitious but we are going to the Florida Keys May 2nd so I want to get off another 10 pounds before then.

I hope everyone has another awesome month!' - Fatnutritionist"
...............

Sorry this is a day late. I hope you had a very nice day yesterday!!

[Clannad]

Originally Posted by heatherdazy

Hi! Thought I should let you guys know I've been lurking... (just finished reading the March thread) and I'm maybe thinking about trying this.

Low carb just hasn't been working for me this time around. I've been dieting all year and I have nothing to show for it except ONE lb lost and a great deal of frustration gained.

I typically do best when I plan out my meals a day ahead, but don't have the willpower to do that kind of planing every single day. I feel like I've been pushed into having to track calories, but again, tracking everything everyday is just unrealistic for me.

I'm tired of obsessing over food... whether it's all the things I can't eat or wondering when I'm going to eat next.

I've noticed that certain types of programs work better for some than others. Do I sound like a good candidate for this plan or should I think about looking into something else?

Hi heatherdazy! I know a lot of people on Judddd (on this board) have certain health issues that prevent them from losing weight on low carb alone. I don't have any special conditions where I am not able to drop the weight (other than getting older ,lol), but I like Juddd. I know that for my body, if I keep my carbs moderately low (or just low) and keep my calories fairly low, with exercise, I can lose weight. But I have a tough time keeping my calories low-ish everyday so Judddd is working for me. Maybe one day I will be able to do a low/lower carb, lower calorie woe, but doing an alternate day diet is where I am at right now. As Leo mentioned, calories (and carbs, if you want to stay low carb that is) still have to be counted to make sure you stay as low as you need to on DDs and to make sure you don't go overboard on your UDs. But I've found after a while, you get the hang of what foods to eat and when to say within your calorie/carb limits. Now I don't obsess about food as much as I used to. And after so many DDs under my belt, I've started to feel stronger emotionally and physically somehow, which I think has to do with letting go of the strong/obsessive connection I had with food. HTH!

[Clannad]

Good Morning Everyone!! Boy this thread is moving fast. I need to go back and reread everything.

fatnutritionist - Happy Birthday!!

Brandy - Welcome! Oh yeah! I love egg drop soup!

Mary - Welcome to you too! I do low to lower carb and Juddd. Low carb works for me, but I also have to keep my calories low, which I have a tough time doing.

Kisha - Wonderful goals! I need to do this too. And thanks for the new April thread.

It's an UD for me. I'm still tired from daughter waking me up the last few nights, but am doing a bit better today. I find that when I am over tired I want to eat everything I can find. I think when I do this, I am looking for more energy, and I equate food with energy & life, so I go a little food crazy. But today I feel more confident so I should accomplish a lot and it should be a good UD.

[jgw]

Fatnutritionist Happy Birthday to Ya!

[Ilpirata]

Oh, one more question.......... Since I weigh on Mon, Wed, Fri at Curves, I am assuming that those should be my UD? And if I have set days for UP and DD what happens on the 7th day? Does that make sense?

Mon- UD
Tues- DD
Wed- UD
Thur- DD
Fri- UD
Sat- DD
Sun- ???

First off that soup sounds delicious! I bet its the green onions that make it... and either butter or chicken both would be tasty additions. I may have to try making that on one of these upcoming DDs.

As far as your "extra" day I agree with what Leo suggested... try to take it medium if you can. And even if you only make three solid DDs per week you should be able to lose. Especially working out at curves. Kudos to you for getting in there!

[Ilpirata]

I've noticed that certain types of programs work better for some than others. Do I sound like a good candidate for this plan or should I think about looking into something else?

The only thing that might not work for you is the calorie counting which you say you hate doing. It is absolutely IMPERATIVE that you count calories on DD. Of course this can be bipassed by doing preprepared liquid shakes on DD... That way you know the exact number of shakes you can drink and just have those. Its one work around the calorie counting.

I also tend to agree with Leo that the extremes of JUDD are best for those who have exhausted other avenues of weight loss. I had to reach the point where there wasn't really anything else left to try! I vowed I wouldn't give up until I had tried ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING.

[Ilpirata]

Kisha-

I want to compliment you on your very clear and precise explanation of Whoosh. You seemed to think you were not accurate, but it was exactly right and very well stated. And thanks for once again taking us into the new month!

O, lol... Thanks Leo! I'm a pirate, not a scientist lol

[Ilpirata]

Kisha great goals, can I steal them?

Absolutely Girl! Help yourself. In addition to weight loss goals I find it helpful to have non scale related things I'm aiming for.

[Ilpirata]

'" Happy April ladies!! Today is my birthday and while Wednesday is usually a DD for us, today definately was not! Tomorrow will be though for sure. I love this way of eating!
Brandy, I am not doing low carb at all on this program and I lost 12 pounds in March. I was finding low carb was not working for me in general and wanted to try something completely different. I still post here though because the support is amazing.

(Happy late Birthday Nutritionist! I hope you had a beautiful day)

[heatherdazy]

I guess I thought counting to 400 every other day sounded a lot easier than counting to 1600 every single day. And then I could do cardio and weights on up days instead of trying to do them seperatley and having to go to the gym every day.

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

I also tend to agree with Leo that the extremes of JUDD are best for those who have exhausted other avenues of weight loss. I had to reach the point where there wasn't really anything else left to try! I vowed I wouldn't give up until I had tried ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING.

I've tried counting calories, counting carbs, fat fasting, counting calories and carbs... I've done only whole foods, only shakes and lean cuisines... what other things am I missing that I'm supposed to try next?

[vanilla_latte]

Good morning,

I'm on an UD - yay! As before when I did JUDDD, I wasn't even hungry when I woke up today. Had my regular egg cream for breakfast, will have a BLT salad for lunch (with regular Thousand Island dressing which is low in carbs), with yogurt and a few macadamia nuts for snacks if I need them. Not sure what dinner will be just yet, but it will be low carb. Oh yeah .. and coffee with my c-r-e-a-m!

I'm not going to worry about plugging my food into TDP on my UD's just yet as I will eating a normal lc day, which usually comes in around 25 net carbs.

Brandy, when I did JUDDD before I wasn't doing lc. It worked well for me for awhile, then it stopped. I've loved lc'ing, but still haven't lost anything but a few inches. So, I had ordered Jay Robb's book on carb-cycling and began looking for info on that when I found this forum/thread. So I'm giving it a try and hoping mixing the two will work. I had egg creams for all 3 meals yesterday and 1 snack. I am starting out with the 30% eating plan then will try to tweak it down to the 500 cals on DD's. My egg creams came to about 170 cals each.

Fatnutrutionsist - Happy Birthday!

I did drop a little over 2 lbs. after my first DD, and even though it's probably just some water due to my higher-carb-than-usual-weekend, I'm taking it whenever it happens!

My definition of a Whoosh: when you step on the scale and do a happy dance because the metal monster shows a multi-pound loss.

I SO want a Whoosh ..

[Ilpirata]

I've tried counting calories, counting carbs, fat fasting, counting calories and carbs... I've done only whole foods, only shakes and lean cuisines... what other things am I missing that I'm supposed to try next?

o no sweetie! I'm not discouraging you to try this. Sorry if it sounded this way. It definately won't hurt you to try and it surely sounds like you've tried just about everything out there. It IS much easier to count calories on DD only than it is to have to meticulously track every day. I DO track every day and may have slightly *forgotten* that not everyone on this WOE tracks UD like I do.

[vanilla_latte]

Heather, I think you could try this and just keep track of the DD calories since those are the really important ones for now. Like you said, it's easier to track 500 every other day than 1600 everyday.

[Ilpirata]

My definition of a Whoosh: when you step on the scale and do a happy dance because the metal monster shows a multi-pound loss.

I SO want a Whoosh ..

Thats so Funny vanilla. I can't remember who it is but someone on the BMR thread called the scale "THE RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR" which also totally cracked me up!
Congrats on the loss - and your menu today sounds delish. I could SO GO FOR a BLT salad!

[brandyxoxo25]

Well, I have had my first soup and feel pretty good so far! My problem is my weight will drop one day, and be right back up the next. I have been sitting in the 270's for 3 weeks now. It will be anywhere between the high 270's to the low 270's but I can't seem to get it to go down and stay down. I would even be happy with slowly going down, but this going down then right back up is killing me. Hopefully something like Judddd will jumpstart me to heading in the direction I want to go. DOWN! Lol!

[vanilla_latte]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Thats so Funny vanilla. I can't remember who it is but someone on the BMR thread called the scale "THE RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR" which also totally cracked me up!
Congrats on the loss - and your menu today sounds delish. I could SO GO FOR a BLT salad!

Thanks, Kisha, I'm posting anytime I get a loss. Ain't waitin' on that one week at a time thing.

The Random Number Generator - love that! Never heard that one before!

Brandy, hopefully you'll see results with this. Swinging those calories around seems to get the ole' metabolism going again. But .. be prepared for the .. um .. Random Number Generator to go back and forth if you weigh everyday. Good luck with it!

Now .. I'm off to eat that yummy BLT salad ..

[heatherdazy]

I think I'm going to give it a go this coming week, then. I'll do:

S-ud w cardio and weights
M-dd
T-ud w cardio and weights
W-dd
Th-ud w cardio and weights
F-dd
S-ud w cardio

With low carb, still. This should work well into my work schedule and I will do just Atkins shakes (have to pick some up) on dds for the first two weeks. Hopefully I will actually start losing again! Even if it's just one lb in the two weeks, it will be a huge improvement!

[Ilpirata]

I think I'm going to give it a go this coming week, then. I'll do:

S-ud w cardio and weights
M-dd
T-ud w cardio and weights
W-dd
Th-ud w cardio and weights
F-dd
S-ud w cardio

With low carb, still. This should work well into my work schedule and I will do just Atkins shakes (have to pick some up) on dds for the first two weeks. Hopefully I will actually start losing again! Even if it's just one lb in the two weeks, it will be a huge improvement!

Sounds like a great plan! There are other shakes that work too besides the Atkins ones. I like the brand "pure protein" from Trader Joe's (chocolate) its 110 cals and 4 carbs per can.

i bet you lose a coupla pounds!

[heatherdazy]

Ooo, thanks for the info on the Trader Joe's shakes, I'll definitely give those a try! 110 cals is a steal!

[Ilpirata]

Ooo, thanks for the info on the Trader Joe's shakes, I'll definitely give those a try! 110 cals is a steal!

Its good right! I like the chocolate ones much better than the vanilla - and be warned, they are only tasty when COLD. I took some on a trip once and had to choke them down warm in my hotel room. ::SHUDDER::

[Maryposa]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Its good right! I like the chocolate ones much better than the vanilla - and be warned, they are only tasty when COLD. I took some on a trip once and had to choke them down warm in my hotel room. ::SHUDDER::

Maybe that's why I have an aversion, I think the times I have tried them they were not quite cold. I much prefer the atkins shakes. Plus I like that they have fat. But if I feel like I need "more" on DD, I will give these another shot.

[Clannad]

So I am wondering, based on some of the posts recently, do all of you here think Judddd is extreme? Maybe it's seems dumb to even ask, but I hadn't thought of it that way. I mean I don't equate it with what I call crash type diets. And I can get in loads of healthy foods so I don't think I am harming my body doing this. I was thinking it was a creative way to get an average calorie count down to where it needs to be for effective permanent weightloss, with the added bonus of some potential health benefits through fasting. Maybe I am wrong? Please set me straight if I am.

[Maryposa]

I think it's extreme compared to the ease of Atkins... once you know what good LC choices are, it's like the easiest plan I have ever done. But since I no longer lose on Atkins, I am trying this, and since I am NOT increasing carbs, I do feel it's a bit extreme...

That said, many people feel that Atkins by itself is "extreme", but I don't think it is at all.

Anyway, I guess what I am trying to say is I think when we say that it's in comparison to what many others on this board are doing or Low Carb in general? Maybe I am wrong...

[Leo41]

I've started to feel stronger emotionally and physically somehow, which I think has to do with letting go of the strong/obsessive connection I had with food. HTH!

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Clannad
I've found that's been one of the benefits of JUDDD for me. I think it might have something to do with the accomlishment of the DD because I began to feel that way from the very beginning. It's as though for the first time in my life, I have control over food--rather than feeling that it's controlling me.

Also, you commented about feeling hungry when you're tired. There's research that confirms that--if we're overtired, our bodies tell us that we're hungry because they need the energy. I watch that myself because I have a cat who wakes me every morning at 3 am:-)

Heather

I'm glad you're giving this a try because it was for most of us a 'last chance.' Although counting doesn't bother me, because of my metabolism, I have to stay below 1000 calories a day. That was too difficult to do every day but very easy with JUDDD. So we're actually doing JUDDD for the same reason--to get a break every other day!

Brandy
I identify with your frustration; I came to JUDDD because I lost and gained the same 5-10 pounds for a whole year on low carb alone. It had worked for me for almost 100 lbs lost, and then I hit this wall where I was just up and down. So I know your frustration. JUDDD has me finally losing again; thus my enthusiasm for this plan!

[Ilpirata]

I think it's extreme compared to the ease of Atkins... once you know what good LC choices are, it's like the easiest plan I have ever done. But since I no longer lose on Atkins, I am trying this, and since I am NOT increasing carbs, I do feel it's a bit extreme...

That said, many people feel that Atkins by itself is "extreme", but I don't think it is at all.

Anyway, I guess what I am trying to say is I think when we say that it's in comparison to what many others on this board are doing or Low Carb in general? Maybe I am wrong...

Well said Maryposa! this is exactly what I was trying to get at. No, JUDD is NOT extreme like extended fasting or crazy grapfruit or whatever diets that are very low calorie for extended periods of time. NO it is not extreme like Kimkins or Stillmans that combine very low calorie with very low carb for extended periods of time. In comparison to many WOE it is what you called it... its creative and MUCH MORE DOABLE than severely restricting calories every single day.

But in comparisson to just plain old Atkins yes it is much more extreme... at least for me because I still basically eat Atkins OWL style but combined with the "radical daily calorie cycling" of JUDD. For those that don't low carb at the same time it may be even LESS Extreme. For those that find Atkins extreme doing non low carb JUDD may be easier.

I think the only thing I've been trying to say is that if I could succesfully lose with just the FOR ME very easy eating style of standard Atkins I'd be doing standard Atkins.