TWEAKIN' OUR WAY to The Melting Pot: FastFive, JUDDD, OSMF: April 2009

[CrystalPistol]

Originally Posted by snaggle

That nutritionist lady annoyed me so much. I totally disagree with her notion that you could not do this as a lifestyle. I actually think having a couple days a week where you don't even have to think about food, really works when you have a hectic, busy life

I agree! She kept saying it contradicts eating healthy and that people can't keep it up. What the doc TRIED to say (had he been more aggressive, it would have gotten thru better) is that Americans have been told FOREVER how to eat healthy and how to restrict calories, and we're STILL obese!! It's not working! It *will* work if you stick to it, but we don't! He's trying to give us something that we -can- stick to.

Sorry for all the punctuation and caps. I just started this plan, so I dont know if it works for me, but I hated to see him thrown at the wolves. I wonder if the show told him it would be a debate?

[snaggle]

I think any Dr. that puts out a diet plan needs to be prepared to defend it and back it up with medical research. Dr. Johnson didn't come off as authoritative and knowledgeable as he could have, but on the other hand, he seemed very likeable,
compared to his opponents. I do think he scored big with that comment you mentioned
Kamicryze. Kinda makes me think of like Dr. Phils famous line...."and how's THAT working for you?"
Clearly all the advice that the mainstream medical and nutritional establishment have
been feeding us has not worked! A novel approach like Dr. Johnson's seems, at the least, to be worth investigating.

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

OK, that's it for now gang! Everyone arrives tomorrow and I still have rooms to vacuum and dust and beds to make up so I wont be hanging out here or in the bars and poolrooms of our town nearly as much during the next 10 days.

Be good, be of good cheer, and enjoy your plans whatever they are BECAUSE THEY WILL LEAD US TO BETTER HEALTH!

well don't worry I will take care of the poolrooms and bars for ya....

and thanks for your wise words

[homestretch]

Here is my two cents on the interview:

I despise nutritionists (sorry). I went to one years ago and in my opinion they have very little to offer other than what the food pyramid says. Many of them have no idea what it is like to be overweight and I think you really have to walk the walk to talk the talk. In my opinion the nutritionist looked too thinn and I think she needs a steak!

It is so insane to keep preaching the exact same things that have not helped anyone in the last 30 years. The doctor worrying that the metabolism gets all revved up and then the next day it has nothing to rev up about. Who knows maybe that is ideal. I was thinking about how my kids eat. It is common for them to "pig out" and then not want food the rest of the day. I watch my 15 yo eat a rather large meal and then the next day she does not want much to eat at all. She is thin and I do not step in because I feel like she is in tune with her hunger signals and eats when she is hungry. Her friends are the same way and I was like that as a teenager also. Then we hit the adult world and think we need 3 square meals and 2 snacks a day and all of a sudden we are overweight. Maybe we are just overfeeding ourselves to death. I think keeping the metabolism guessing is a good thing whether it is with carb/calorie/exercise rotations. The doctor in the interview seemed to think that we should eat the same amount every day and most of us here know that it just quits working after a while because our bodies adapt.

[homestretch]

Originally Posted by snaggle

I think any Dr. that puts out a diet plan needs to be prepared to defend it and back it up with medical research. Dr. Johnson didn't come off as authoritative and knowledgeable as he could have, but on the other hand, he seemed very likeable,
compared to his opponents. I do think he scored big with that comment you mentioned
Kamicryze. Kinda makes me think of like Dr. Phils famous line...."and how's THAT working for you?"
Clearly all the advice that the mainstream medical and nutritional establishment have
been feeding us has not worked! A novel approach like Dr. Johnson's seems, at the least, to be worth investigating.

I think he could have come off in a more positive light however I think there are some people who are just bad at public speaking. I did not like the way he kept looking down. If he keeps doing interviews he should probably get a coach.

[jgw]

Originally Posted by homestretch

In my opinion the nutritionist looked too thinn and I think she needs a steak!

I was thinking about how my kids eat. It is common for them to "pig out" and then not want food the rest of the day. I watch my 15 yo eat a rather large meal and then the next day she does not want much to eat at all. She is thin and I do not step in because I feel like she is in tune with her hunger signals and eats when she is hungry. Her friends are the same way and I was like that as a teenager also. Then we hit the adult world and think we need 3 square meals and 2 snacks a day and all of a sudden we are overweight. Maybe we are just overfeeding ourselves to death. I think keeping the metabolism guessing is a good thing whether it is with carb/calorie/exercise rotations. The doctor in the interview seemed to think that we should eat the same amount every day and most of us here know that it just quits working after a while because our bodies adapt.

This is so true, my 10 year old eat so much one day and the next I can hardly get her to eat a thing.
I left her alone too.

[Ilpirata]

I was thinking about how my kids eat. It is common for them to "pig out" and then not want food the rest of the day. I watch my 15 yo eat a rather large meal and then the next day she does not want much to eat at all. She is thin and I do not step in because I feel like she is in tune with her hunger signals and eats when she is hungry. Her friends are the same way and I was like that as a teenager also. Then we hit the adult world and think we need 3 square meals and 2 snacks a day and all of a sudden we are overweight. Maybe we are just overfeeding ourselves to death. I think keeping the metabolism guessing is a good thing whether it is with carb/calorie/exercise rotations.

I was just thinking about this last night. I was thinking though in terms of cave men. i mean, does anyone think that cave men ate three square meals a day? Not me. i think it was much more cyclical... not necessarily feast or famine but sometimes to that extreme. I don't really think our bodies developed to be getting a CONSTANT influx of food. Hey, I'm a pirate not a doctor but I've really been thinking about this - and have even used it to defend my WOE. Intermittent 24-36 hour fasts... why WOULD they be bad for us from an evolutionary stand point it makes sense to think they are tailored for our systems.

(BTW I consider what I do intermittent 36 hour fasting since my DD include sleep before and after and are usually liquid fasts I frequently end up fasting for 36 ish hours three times a week)

[wallaby]

As for the Dr and his interview, he's just not ready for primetime and it's too bad that his publicist thought this was a good idea. I have long noticed that his website and his book are very short on success stories. I'm glad he started this however, but sometimes it's better to wait a little bit for a big launch until you can catalog significant successes (are there any major success stories ? I mean, major weight loss?) C'est la vie. Still I'm very glad he put out the book though and didn't wait! I LOVE this WOE.

I had a moderately successul DD on Tuesday - my first true DD in more than 2+ weeks!!( about 400 cals) Unfortunately, I then went WAY over my intended calorie load on Wed.

I'm thinking I'm going to try a "true" JUDDD induction starting today and stick to liquid shakes, etc on the DDs. I didn't do it when I started, but I think it definitely merits a try.

Quandria are you counting cals? I'm wondering if you just aren't getting enough on your up days? If you're not, and you're just not hungry enough, maybe eliminating a fast or two and taking a little bit of food on DD's will help stimulate some appetite. Also - it's nice to eat healthily, but don't beat yourself up over not doing that right now.

[NoSugarShell]

Good Friday Morning Tweakers!

Well, I have had a rough week, as I got ANOTHER cold. Not as bad as the last one but still enough to wear me down. I haven't done my exercise this week.

I am on my 4th DD, and boy am I glad. I have figured out my DD's are alot easier than my UD's. I struggle to stay close to my 1800. I went about 400 over last night in a fit of insanity.

Soo, I happy I am on a DD and sitting here hoping we get off work a little early today.

I will check in later.

Michelle

[snaggle]

Good morning fellow tweaks! I am luvin' my plan, and especially luvin' that I am down
2.5 lbs already this week. Now, that being said, I have just completed my second DD and
now will have 3 days in a row of high, med, med with my custom plan I devised.

This is a HUGE weekend for me. Just before my Dad died a year and a half ago we found two letters in a strong box from a woman who claimed to be a daughter conceived in a backseat several years before Dad met my mom. She was adopted by a wonderful family and was recently reunited with her birth mom who told her of my dad. Apparantly, being Catholic (the mom even claimed the conception occured without her losing her virginity????) she went to a convent and gave up the baby for adoption, never telling my dad a thing.
Anyway, fast forward 30 years and she notified my dad who we now know completely ignored her letters. He did, however keep them, so we know he wanted us to find out.
Anyway.........................I finally get to meet the sister I never had today. Tonight is the big family reunion and we are going out to dinner. She will be here all weekend, and I am sure it will be a food fest.
Plus, my 12 days of no alcohol will probably come to an end. I am going to do my best to stick to my plan, which was created for just such occasions, but it will be difficult.

I hope you all have a great tweakin' weekend. Happy Easter.

[jgw]

Originally Posted by snaggle

Good morning fellow tweaks! I am luvin' my plan, and especially luvin' that I am down
2.5 lbs already this week. Now, that being said, I have just completed my second DD and
now will have 3 days in a row of high, med, med with my custom plan I devised.

This is a HUGE weekend for me. Just before my Dad died a year and a half ago we found two letters in a strong box from a woman who claimed to be a daughter conceived in a backseat several years before Dad met my mom. She was adopted by a wonderful family and was recently reunited with her birth mom who told her of my dad. Apparantly, being Catholic (the mom even claimed the conception occured without her losing her virginity????) she went to a convent and gave up the baby for adoption, never telling my dad a thing.
Anyway, fast forward 30 years and she notified my dad who we now know completely ignored her letters. He did, however keep them, so we know he wanted us to find out.
Anyway.........................I finally get to meet the sister I never had today. Tonight is the big family reunion and we are going out to dinner. She will be here all weekend, and I am sure it will be a food fest.
Plus, my 12 days of no alcohol will probably come to an end. I am going to do my best to stick to my plan, which was created for just such occasions, but it will be difficult.

I hope you all have a great tweakin' weekend. Happy Easter.

WOW! What a great reunion that will be!
Have a great weekend.
Congrats on your weight loss!

[Quandria]

Originally Posted by snaggle

Good morning fellow tweaks! I am luvin' my plan, and especially luvin' that I am down
2.5 lbs already this week. Now, that being said, I have just completed my second DD and
now will have 3 days in a row of high, med, med with my custom plan I devised.

This is a HUGE weekend for me. Just before my Dad died a year and a half ago we found two letters in a strong box from a woman who claimed to be a daughter conceived in a backseat several years before Dad met my mom. She was adopted by a wonderful family and was recently reunited with her birth mom who told her of my dad. Apparantly, being Catholic (the mom even claimed the conception occured without her losing her virginity????) she went to a convent and gave up the baby for adoption, never telling my dad a thing.
Anyway, fast forward 30 years and she notified my dad who we now know completely ignored her letters. He did, however keep them, so we know he wanted us to find out.
Anyway.........................I finally get to meet the sister I never had today. Tonight is the big family reunion and we are going out to dinner. She will be here all weekend, and I am sure it will be a food fest.
Plus, my 12 days of no alcohol will probably come to an end. I am going to do my best to stick to my plan, which was created for just such occasions, but it will be difficult.

I hope you all have a great tweakin' weekend. Happy Easter.

Happy Easter, Snaggle - I hope you have a great reunion!!

[Quandria]

Maizen - thanks for the words of encouragement! As always, very nice and helpful

I'm down 1.6 since the last time I did a weigh-in here, so that's more like it! Still up .4 from my all-time-low, but I'm not complaining, especially with the lack of exercise.

Today is a dd and I think I will have dinner tonight instead of wf and then delay eating tomorrow as long as I can. Hoping for the best!

Happy alternating!!

[CrystalPistol]

Hey guys! Just wanted to do a quick check-in. Yesterday was my 2nd DD. It was a little difficult bc I made a dinner I couldn't really *enjoy* on a DD, but I had it for lunch today, so I'm ok! I've broken the habit of everyday weighing bc I dont wanna know what it looks like after a UD. But I did weigh this morning since yesterday was the DD. I lost 2 more lbs, so that would be 6 total. All I care about, is the scale finally budged well below this SPECIFIC number I had been stuck at since the beginning of January. I'm so glad I heard about Judddd.

Here's a vid that means a lot to me.

YouTube - Miley Cyrus - The Climb - Official Music Video...

[Maryposa]

Wow snaggle. You must be going through alot of emotions. What an amazing story. I hope you have a pleasant time.

[Maryposa]

Kisha - you mentioned liquid fast... is that a 400 cal liquid fast or a 0 cal one?

[Ilpirata]

Kisha - you mentioned liquid fast... is that a 400 cal liquid fast or a 0 cal one?

Its NEVER zero cals. i always drink coffee with either half and half or full fat milk. Sometimes I also drink a "pure protein" shake from Trader Joes (110 cals 4 carbs). They usually come in at 150-350 cals for the day. According to the JUDD website my DD cals should be around 410 so on the upper end I still almost hit that.

Sadly I really rely on my morning coffee! And I'll usually have a hot mug after work too.

[Redeemed]

Kamacryze:

Loved the song. Even an "oldie" such as I, can appreciate the message here.
So, important to enjoy the journey. We used to say "Stop and smell the roses along the way." She is saying that too, only in a different way. Very nice video.

[snaggle]

Well I survived meeting the half sister. She fit in with the family well last night and we had a wonderful dinner together. We all shared some really good wines along with some incredible food at the restaurant we went to. I tried to really pace myself, but after about 5 hours of sipping wine (alternating with water), I do think I probably tallied up about 4-5 glasses. I also ate a half piece bread, a cracker and we all took bites of everyones dishes, so I definitely probably got up to at least 50 carbs. Hard to figure cals, but probably around 2000 for the day. Up 1.5 lbs today, but I am not too discouraged seeing as I had lost 3 this week. Today I am doing fast five all day, so I can have our big dinner tonight: grilled marinated butterflied leg of lamb. We are celebrating easter tonight since one of my brothers has to leave sunday morning.
I will be curious to see if my ketostix are still purple.
Stickin' to my tweak plan, hope it works.

[LadyWuzzy]

Good Morning! Happy Easter everyone! I hope everyone has a blessed day. Fasting today until dinner and will get in some much needed yoga and lots of laundry.

[wallaby]

It's a beautiful day here, perfect holiday weather.

I'm down 1.5 lb and not really sure why since I had a HUGE UD (a 3000 day) and several not so great DDs this past week. But this loss has helped me feel much more motivated anyway, and I'm ready to get on with it. (Maybe it's the weather.)

Attended an easter brunch and I think I managed to make it through the extravaganza without over-doing it too much. I think I might be ready to have a successful WF tomorrow.

Have a great day all!

[CrystalPistol]

Hope everyone had/has a great Easter Sunday. I TOTALLY made it yesterday with having a Saturday my DD. I'm uber-surprised at myself. Late at night on my UD my hub wanted a burger & fries and insisted I have some too, otherwise he wouldn't eat. (Don't you *hate* that? People act like they're being rude when they eat and you don't). I told him I was losing weight and I don't wanna ruin that. I asked him if he wanted to ruin that, and he said no. Good boy!

Then LAST night (DD) I did great. We eventually went to a restaurant with his family and I didn't have anything. The best part is a few of us weren't very hungry, so I didn't stick out like a sore thumb. I've *never* had that kinda will-power before. I've always made excuses on why its okay to eat this or that. I'm so proud.

After all that, I'm down another lb. Nice reward for all my efforts. It doesn't feel difficult to do this and I don't feel despair that I have to do this. Every DD I enjoy figuring out how I'm gonna make it work. And I love that on UDs, I dont have to feel guilty. This is making me happy.

Thanks for all the support guys!

[CrystalPistol]

Originally Posted by wallaby

It's a beautiful day here, perfect holiday weather.

I'm also loving the weather. Saturday it rained quite a bit, with a little lightning and thunder. We've been a little droughty (not a word, I know) lately. Then today, the clouds kept things just right. Not too hot, not too cold. Beeeeeutiful!

[NoSugarShell]

Good Morning Tweakers!

Well, Saturday was an extreme Upday for me (a little over 3000 and 400 carbs) and then my moderate day yesterday was more than I would have liked, but JUDDD is being very forgiving this morning. I am up 2 lbs. I can deal with that.

Soooo, today is a DD, yea!!!! I am really happy about that. I am going to try a liquid fast and have an egg cream shake for dinner around 5pm. That's it!! I am hoping that will get rid of the 2 lbs of water.

I didn't exercise last week because of this cold, so today I am back on track!

I hope everyone had a great Easter!!!

Michelle

[Ilpirata]

Good Morning Tweakers!

Well, Saturday was an extreme Upday for me (a little over 3000 and 400 carbs) and then my moderate day yesterday was more than I would have liked, but JUDDD is being very forgiving this morning. I am up 2 lbs. I can deal with that.

Soooo, today is a DD, yea!!!! I am really happy about that. I am going to try a liquid fast and have an egg cream shake for dinner around 5pm. That's it!! I am hoping that will get rid of the 2 lbs of water.

I didn't exercise last week because of this cold, so today I am back on track!

I hope everyone had a great Easter!!!

Michelle

I had a two UD carbtastic weekend this weekend. Looks like you and i are both back on track with liquid fasting today. WE CAN DO IT.

[snaggle]

I posted the ugly details of my weekend on the JUDDD board, but the final tally was a 3lb bounceback, which does not surprise me since I had been in deep ketosis and added back in some (very enjoyable) carbs and wine. I pretty much stuck to plan except that Friday (estimated) calories got up to 1500 instead of 1200 (1300 of which were in the
4 hr. dinner extravaganza). Saturday, I fasted all day then ate what was close to 1600
cal at dinner. (grilled marinated lamb, pesto pasta, arugula parmesan salad) and wine,
plus these great little appetizer things the new half sister made called verrines (she lives in Belgium and says they are the rage)
I would have been okay, but she also brought some Belgian chocolates and I ate one of those too. SO worth it!
Back on track. Med day today, very low carb. Low days: tues and thurs.

I am a little bummed about the 3lbs, but I guess that since I had to wait 48 years for a sister, it was worth a splurge! We all had an incredible weekend and she fit right into our crazy family.

And now here we are monday morning, all back here to support eachother and that is the most important thing.
CARRY ON TWEAKERS.

[NoSugarShell]

Originally Posted by snaggle

I posted the ugly details of my weekend on the JUDDD board, but the final tally was a 3lb bounceback, which does not surprise me since I had been in deep ketosis and added back in some (very enjoyable) carbs and wine. I pretty much stuck to plan except that Friday (estimated) calories got up to 1500 instead of 1200 (1300 of which were in the
4 hr. dinner extravaganza). Saturday, I fasted all day then ate what was close to 1600
cal at dinner. (grilled marinated lamb, pesto pasta, arugula parmesan salad) and wine,
plus these great little appetizer things the new half sister made called verrines (she lives in Belgium and says they are the rage)
I would have been okay, but she also brought some Belgian chocolates and I ate one of those too. SO worth it!
Back on track. Med day today, very low carb. Low days: tues and thurs.

I am a little bummed about the 3lbs, but I guess that since I had to wait 48 years for a sister, it was worth a splurge! We all had an incredible weekend and she fit right into our crazy family.

And now here we are monday morning, all back here to support eachother and that is the most important thing.
CARRY ON TWEAKERS.

Snaggle - It will be back off in no time. Glad you had such a good weekend!
It all sounds delicious and soo worth it!

[Maryposa]

I was successful on completing another down day... Still the same weight. But I wore a dress in another size smaller yesterday.
Weird!
Hey Kisha, was it you that told me hypothyroid means you should not go too low in carbs? I know someone told me that, and more than one hypo LCer told me they do better on a few more carbs. I was told the same by a Nutritionist that used to work for Atkins Nutritionals. She adivsed me to do Induction + a 1/2 grapefruit for a couple of weeks, not go below that and see how I do. Oh and to stay of the scale in the meantime.

[Ilpirata]

Hey Kisha, was it you that told me hypothyroid means you should not go too low in carbs? I know someone told me that, and more than one hypo LCer told me they do better on a few more carbs. I was told the same by a Nutritionist that used to work for Atkins Nutritionals. She adivsed me to do Induction + a 1/2 grapefruit for a couple of weeks, not go below that and see how I do. Oh and to stay of the scale in the meantime.

Yes I have been told this many times. For me though it really means just not going below say 30... and I DO go below thirty on my DD but it averages well above 30 with my increased carbs lately on UD. And based on my stats for the last month and even two months the higher carbs on UD have definately NOT been hurting my weight loss. I have been coming in at like 70 on UD and 10 on DD... so averaging 35-40 and losing much better than I ever have before (of course this is also due to JUDD)

[Maryposa]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Yes I have been told this many times. For me though it really means just not going below say 30... and I DO go below thirty on my DD but it averages well above 30 with my increased carbs lately on UD. And based on my stats for the last month and even two months the higher carbs on UD have definately NOT been hurting my weight loss. I have been coming in at like 70 on UD and 10 on DD... so averaging 35-40 and losing much better than I ever have before (of course this is also due to JUDD)

Wow ya she told me to try to average EXACTLY what you just said... 35-40.
She said Induction (the latest version) + half a grapefruit would do it.

She also mentioned getting my andriods checked. Would make sense since I seem to be gaining alot of muscle and I retain water like crazy. The first week I started exercising intensely I gained like 7 lb.

As for thyroid she said in cases like this (my basal body temp is 96.5 or so and I get dry skin patches) they add thyroid support even if tests come back "normal" and it helps.

Hmmm, I guess either way I need to say goodbye to ZC for now. I am so tired of jumping around even though I HAVE given at least a month to each new change. I just wanna find what works and DO it!