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Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 436
Gallery: caramel
Stats: 156.5/146.8/135
WOE: JUDDD
Start Date: 11/25/11
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Yes my water fast are just water. It seems when I put more in my mouth other than water its harder for me. So I just keep busy that day and don't think about consuming anything but water, but some on here have had success with awfs, like having cream in their coffee and it works for them.
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 754
Gallery: EmandM
Stats: Maintaining at 114 (5'5" 35 yrs)
WOE: JUDDD/Whole foods
Start Date: JUDDD start date: Nov. '08
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I do the same thing. My DD cals are higher now that I am in maintenance, but when my cals were 400-500 I would wait to eat (coffee and tea in the day) and then have two pieces of Eziekel bread, toasted, 1/2 cup sliced avocado, tomato slices and honey mustard. Then at night, before bed I would have 100 calorie popcorn, or a 100 cal Vita-muffin or something snacky. I eat very similarly on DD's now, but I just eat more since my cals are closer to 800 on DD's these days. |
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Indiana
Posts: 6,104
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Start Date: 11/13/2011
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 267
Gallery: wallaby
Stats: 153/136/120
WOE: alternate day
Start Date: 01/09
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Shell, I know Maizen will chime in here when she gets a chance, but if you scroll back through this thread, (or maybe it's back in March) she has a lot to say about water fasting and some do's and don't. (At least I THINK it's there and I'm not imagining it!)
I have finally given up on having cream in my coffee Now that I'm so aware of the "value" of everything I'm eating, I decide that it made sense to cut out that one set of mindless calories that I consumed every day - the cream in my coffee. I think it was adding up to more than 100 day on some days. my DH noticed too that we're saving at least $5 a week in cream by drinking black only (we drink a LOT of coffee and therefore a LOT of cream.) That's $5 we can spend put towards a better bottle of wine! Today is a DD and so far I've had only some gazpacho - very spicey. I made a batch that totals about 150 cals and I'm not even halfway through it. Caramel, I'm so glad you're back safe and sound. I have a feeling you are going to see some pounds drop very fast now (which is what happened to my girlfriends who have had the same surgery for the same reason.) |
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 436
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Stats: 156.5/146.8/135
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Maryland
Posts: 639
Gallery: pushing 40
WOE: JUDDDD
Start Date: November 10, 2008
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Really though I need to balance out the eating. Today was UD and while I made much better choices, my calories were still high and my weight up. I have been charting my weight for so long I can predict what it will be in the morning. Not worried about the weight though I know it will be gone after DD. However, because up I know I will think I need to do a WF. Vicious cycle ![]() EmandM believe me I have had all junk days, but you are right, I have found that getting it out of your system is best or like I said I will have both the healthy and the junk. Maybe just a few days of all junk would cure me Sounds like fun!I did not incorporate fast 5 today but I still think that would help me - I did however, have a very light breakfast instead eating all morning just because I can. So small steps. Thanks for the support. ![]()
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Maryland
Posts: 639
Gallery: pushing 40
WOE: JUDDDD
Start Date: November 10, 2008
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Well ladies despite the calories I must have done something right because I was up less than a pound this morning which has never happened after and UD before for me. Yeah
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,082
Gallery: shunsweets
Stats: maintenance
WOE: Bernstein
Start Date: May 2003
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Weekly weigh day for me. 112. My goal range is 108-112 so I'm up a little but know it is from the salt I've been eating. For some reason I'm craving salt. Maybe more sweating now that the weather is warmer when I jog? Exercised 2 miles x 4 days, 4 miles x 2 days. Don't have stats because I lost my ****** in the computer crash. Once I either get mine repaired or buy a new one I will definitely purchase ****** again. I miss it. I've logged everything I've eaten for 5 years (since dx with diabetes) and feel totally lost not knowing where I stand.
Anyway I am almost at 3 months of great weight maintenance on Juddd with low carb. It really seems I've finally found the plan that will maintain a healthy weight for life! Hope everybody is having a great weekend. It's gorgeous here and we did some yard work and had a picnic lunch on the deck. I love spring! |
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I feel your pain about the hard drive loss. I lost mine once and now I have so many external back-up drives with mirror/redundant systems attached to my main computer I hardly know what's where anymore. ![]() I have logged in ****** for almost 4 years, but thankfully had a back-up of that pre-crash so I didn't lose it. (Shows you where my crazy priorities are -- I had tons of work stuff I hadn't backed up) :blush: |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 754
Gallery: EmandM
Stats: Maintaining at 114 (5'5" 35 yrs)
WOE: JUDDD/Whole foods
Start Date: JUDDD start date: Nov. '08
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SS - you are doing so well! Glad to hear you are having nice weather. We are too (finally)!
I look at my goal weight as a range now too. It makes more sense than obsessing over one number what with the fluctuations etc. My goal range is 114-118, which makes us very similar in build as I think I am an inch and a half taller than you. I usually hover around 116 which suits me well. Yay us! ![]() Retro and SS your stories are motivating me to get some sort of back-up system. It's also why I print copies of pictures so I have actual photos of my girls that I can look at in albums. Computer pics are great to send to people but I like the "old-fashioned" ones I can hold! DD for me and so far I have had green tea and am sipping on an Eat Your Greens smoothie from Fuhrman's recipe book. It's spinach, banana, almond breeze, blueberries, pomegranate juice and flax seeds. My DD's LOVE it. |
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)And be careful with those cherished printed memories (photos) too. When desktop inkjet printing first became popular everyone was home-printing their wedding photos, etc. Turns out the paper and inks were not archival and all some folks wound up with 5 years later were ghostly faded memories. ![]()
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Hi All, Hope everyone is doing well and sticking to their goals. I have now been back on the wagon dieting for almost 3 weeks (tuesday is official weigh day). I did the first week strict atkins induction and lost 3.5 lbs, then shifted to my custom JUDDD/fast five/low carb plan wherein I have only two down days a week, two up days (after the downs) and the other 3 moderate (trying to stay at 1100-1300 cals). The original plan was to do those days fast five if we had a big dinner out planned.
So far, between last weekends big meeting/reunion with the half sister, easter, one fancy dinner out, and two dinners at friends houses, I have lost 1.5 more lbs. PLUS............ TOM came along. My hope is that by tuesday morning I will be back down to 166, which I hit over a week ago, before all the big eat/wine fests, but have yet to get back to. I have stuck to my plan for the most part and the really cool thing is that it is working out great in terms of being able to have the kinds of meals that I would have considered huge "cheats" before. Yesterday was a perfect example. I knew we were going to our good friends house and would be having steaks, wine, etc., so I only ate two pieces of bacon for breakfast, then nothing until we got to their house. Turns out my friends hubby decided to make homemade frites too! I had about half a cup and just ate less of my steak. I ran the whole thing on ******, and still ended up around 1300 cal, which is a little high, but not bad. After 12 days on my plan, I am averaging around 1150 cal, which is right where I planned. The beauty of this WOE is that with just two down days a week, combined with a couple of fast five days, I can pretty much have what I want when it counts. It is way too early to really get a handle on what the weight loss part will amount to, so the jury is still out. If I can lose 2 lb a week, that will be 1/2 lb more than my usual low carb diets yield, AND I feel way less deprived and WAY more likely to stick to it since it isn't cramping my social life. I really like the down days too, and haven't had much trouble with them. I would love to hear about other folks tweaked programs and how they work as far as weight loss compared to regular low carbing. |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 267
Gallery: wallaby
Stats: 153/136/120
WOE: alternate day
Start Date: 01/09
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Whew, I'm exhausted after 2 UDs in the row. Today was supposed to be a moderate day but it didn't work out that way. I know I wasn't drinking enough water or green tea which usually helps me stay off food. (TOM has also arrived so I cut myself some slack).
I'm SO looking forward to a good DD tomorrow, maybe even a WF if I can manage it. I'm still hanging onto 138 - took me 2 wks to get back here. But - I have also lost almost 4 inches on my waist since starting this WOE. Words cannot describe the thrill of getting even this far. Hope you all have a great week! |
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: North Georgia Mountains
Posts: 1,366
Gallery: maizenbluebabe
Stats: 182.0/168.4/150
WOE: LowCarb, JUDDD
Start Date: June 08
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Oh, damn--I AM NOW CHILDLESS ONCE MORE.
10 days of being a mom again was wonderful and we got a huge amount of work done on a little house we have given to our girls (It belonged to DH's late parents for almost 50 years) Boy, is my A$$ ever whipped!Delightful as it was to have resident children and SIL for 10 whole days, I had no time to count calories or even carbs so I am ready to begin again tomorrow. One thing I did have time to do was MISS ALL OF YOU, MY TREASURED TWEAKER FRIENDS! And how wonderful to have our dear little Caramel safely back with us again and to see our new Tweakers contributing fresh ideas and lots of enthusiasm. ![]() Also, I am glad to see that Dasiey is back from her Chicago fling with the Trapeze Artist. She keeps talking about riding her bike--is she getting ready to perform tricks on it as part of the circus act with her new boyfriend?It will take me a while to catch up on all of you but I just wanted to drop in for a minute and send some . More later. MBB/SallyLast edited by maizenbluebabe; 04-19-2009 at 07:57 PM.. |
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: North Georgia Mountains
Posts: 1,366
Gallery: maizenbluebabe
Stats: 182.0/168.4/150
WOE: LowCarb, JUDDD
Start Date: June 08
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Meantime, here is a review of Water Fasting. (I think this is a fabulous article and is shows just how simple and beneficial WF can be.) And once again, I have to thank Caramel for first mentioning this way back in January as something she regularly does--thus inspiring several of us to make use of it in various forms which we call AWF's (Almost Water Fasts.).
WATER FASTING: In the past, I feared that all Water Fasts were too far-out to make health sense But was led by some of our members experienced with limited term fasting to cautiously re-consider this .( I've actually tried my own version of this, and it works and isnt hard to do.) So I was interested enough in the subject to locate this brief and informative article from NPR about short-term water fasts. (Note: our LCF website nutritional expert and guardian angel Fawn warns that water fasting can be dangerous in winter time, so please keep that in mind.) (The following article was produced by award-winning journalist Patti Neighmond, NPR's health policy correspondent. Her reports air regularly on NPR newsmagazines All Things Considered, Morning Edition and Weekend Edition. Neighmond has covered health care policy since April 1987.) :The MD she quotes here is a highly respected endocrinologist, Naomi D. Neufeld, MD, FACE. Dr. Neufeld earned her undergraduate and Master of Medical Sciences degrees from Brown University. She completed her medical degree at Tufts University. and did her pediatric internship and residency at Rhode Island Hospital. She is currently a professor of pediatrics at UCLA, and has been on the attending staff at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center since 1978, where she served as Director of Pediatric Endocrinology. Retune The Body With A Partial Fast by Patti Neighmond Consuming only water for a 24-hour period — no more than once a week — can suppress insulin secretion and reduce the desire for sugar. All Things Considered, November 21, 2007 · For thousands of years, beginning with philosophers like Hippocrates, Socrates and Plato, fasting was recommended for health reasons. The Bible writes that Moses and Jesus fasted for 40 days for spiritual renewal. To understand how the body reacts to a lack of food, you could start by looking at what happens to newborns. Newborns can't sleep through the night because they need to eat every few hours. They don't produce enough glycogen, the body's form of stored sugar, to make energy. "Glycogen is necessary for thinking; it's necessary for muscle action; it's necessary just for the cells to live in general," says Dr. Naomi Neufeld, an endocrinologist at UCLA. Neufeld says most adults need about 2,000 calories a day. Those calories make energy, or glycogen. Neufeld says it doesn't hurt — it might even help the body — to fast or stop eating for short periods of time, say 24 hours once a week, as long as you drink water. "You re-tune the body, suppress insulin secretion, reduce the taste for sugar, so sugar becomes something you're less fond of taking," Neufeld says. Eventually the body burns up stored sugars, or glycogen, so less insulin is needed to help the body digest food. That gives the pancreas a rest. On juice diets recommended by some spas, you may lose weight, but your digestive system doesn't get that rest. Mark Mattson, a scientist with the National Institute on Aging, says that when we convert food into energy, our bodies create a lot of byproducts we could do without, including free radicals. "These free radicals will attack proteins, DNA, the nucleus of cells, the membranes of cells," Mattson says. "They can damage all those different molecules in cells." And even if you don't fast, Mattson says that simply limiting the calories you consume may be beneficial. He points to studies where rats and mice were fed every other day. Compared with those fed normal daily diets, there was a reduction in disease among the rats that were severely restricted in their food intake. Mattson says those findings hold promise that humans could also benefit from partial fasting. Mattson thinks partial fasting has numerous benefits, from improving glucose regulation, which can protect against diabetes, to also lowering blood pressure. Some animal studies have also shown that partial fasting has very beneficial effects on the brain, protecting against Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and stroke. Partial fasting may even extend lifespan because eating less sends a message to the cells of the body that they should conserve and use energy more efficiently. "When they're exposed to a mild stress, [the body's cells] sort of expect that maybe this is going to happen again," Mattson says. "So maybe next time I may have to go longer without food, so I'd better be able to deal with that when it comes on." Mattson says that process is similar to the way muscles get built up when they're stressed by exercise. Mattson adds that because complete fasting is difficult to study and there is little actual research comparing people who fast with those who don't, it's not clear whether complete fasting (water only) is also beneficial. Proponents say small, short-term studies find that complete fasting lowers blood pressure and reduces cancer risk. But Dr. Naomi Neufeld worries that complete fasting could be harmful. After the first few days of liquid only, the body uses up all its stored glucose to make energy. And then it turns to other sources, including fat and muscle. "The main tissue that's the target in long-term fasting is muscle, because muscle has readily available amino acids which can be converted to glucose right away," Neufeld says. "In that way, your brain is never deprived of needed glucose." The problem, Neufeld says, is that when muscle breaks down, potentially toxic proteins are released. These proteins are partly composed of nitrogen, and too much nitrogen in the body can be toxic to the kidneys and liver. That's when starvation is officially under way.". Last edited by maizenbluebabe; 04-19-2009 at 07:56 PM.. |
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: North Georgia Mountains
Posts: 1,366
Gallery: maizenbluebabe
Stats: 182.0/168.4/150
WOE: LowCarb, JUDDD
Start Date: June 08
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While we are on the subject of water, here is an article I posted earlier about the benefits of drinking plenty of water (written by an M.D. cousin) for those who want to shed some fat. Seems like it is worth re-posting in case newer members havent seen it and also just in case some of the rest of us can use a bit of reminding... I really think we too often forget/overlook the importance of water in fat metabolism.
HOW 8 GLASSES A DAY KEEP THE FAT AWAY Q. Why do I need to drink 8 glasses of water a day? A.Water can keep fat away! Incredible as it may seem, water is quite possibly the single most important catalyst in losing weight and keeping it off. Water Helps to Burn Fat - Water suppresses the appetite naturally and helps the body metabolize stored fat. Studies have shown that a decrease in water intake will cause fat deposits to increase, while an increase in water intake can actually reduce fat deposits. Here's why: The kidneys can't function properly without enough water. When they don't work to capacity, some of their load is dumped onto the liver. One of the livers primary functions is to metabolize stored fat into usable energy for the body. But, if the liver has to do some of the kidney's work, it can't operate at full throttle. As a result, it metabolizes less fat, more fat remains in the body and weight loss stops. Less Water Retention - Drinking plenty of water is the best treatment for fluid retention. When the body gets less water, it thinks this is a threat to survival and it begins to hold on to every drop. This shows up as swollen feet, legs and hands. Improves Muscle Tone - Water helps to maintain proper muscle tone by enabling muscles to contract and by preventing dehydration. It also helps to prevent sagging skin that can follow weight loss. Get Rid of Wastes - During weight loss, the body has a lot more waste to get rid of - all that metabolized fat must be shed. Again, adequate water helps flush out the waste. So far, we've discovered some remarkable truths about water and weight loss: * The body will not function without enough water and can't metabolize stored fat efficiently. * Retained water shows up as excess weight * To get rid of excess water you must drink more water. * Drinking water is essential to weight loss. Q. How Much Water is Enough? A. On the average, a person should drink 8 (eight)-ounce glasses of water every day. However, the overweight person needs one additional glass for every 25 pounds of excess weight. The amount you drink should be increased if you exercise briskly or if the weather is hot and dry. Remember...coffee intake doesn't count at all. Drinks that are mainly water (fruit juice, diet drinks and tea) can only be counted for 1/3 of your water intake because they can not maintain your water balance as well as pure water. Q. What's the Bottom Line? A. When the body gets the water it needs to function optimally, its fluids are perfectly balanced. When this happens, you have reached the "Breakthrough Point!" Q. What does this mean? A. Fluid retention is eliminated. More fat is burned because the body can use it as fuel. Natural thirst returns. There is a decrease in hunger almost overnight. If you stop drinking enough water, your body fluid will be thrown out of balance again, and you may experience fluid retention, weight gain and actual loss of thirst. So don't go by your thirst, DRINK YOUR 8 GLASSES A DAY! Drinking enough water is the best treatment for fluid retention. When the body gets less water, it perceives this as a threat to survival and begins to hold every drop. Water is stored in extra cellulite spaces (outside the cells). This shows up as swollen feet, legs, and hands. An overweight person needs more water than a thin person does. Larger people have larger metabolic loads. Since water is the key to fat metabolism, it follows that the overweight person needs more water. Water can help relieve constipation. When the body gets too little water, it siphons what it needs from internal sources. The colon is one primary source. The result? Constipation. When a person drinks enough water, normal bowel function usually returns. Here are some remarkable truths about water: *The body will not function properly without enough water, nor can it metabolize stored fat efficiently. *Retained water shows up as excess weight. *Drinking water is essential to weight loss. How much water is enough? On the average, a person should drink eight 8-ounce glasses every day. Thats about 2 quarts. However, the overweight person needs an additional glass for every 25 pounds of excess weight. The amount of water you drink should also be increased if you exercise briskly or if the weather is hot and dry. Drinking water should preferably be cool - it is absorbed into the system more quickly than warm or cold water. Some evidence suggests that drinking cool water can actually help burn calories. Last edited by maizenbluebabe; 04-19-2009 at 08:20 PM.. |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 436
Gallery: caramel
Stats: 156.5/146.8/135
WOE: JUDDD
Start Date: 11/25/11
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Thanks for the info Maizen, I will be back on plan tomorrow and was going to make it a regular DD but this had encouraged me to start my wf again, so tomorrow, I'm praying won't be so hard since I haven't done one in a few weeks.
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 267
Gallery: wallaby
Stats: 153/136/120
WOE: alternate day
Start Date: 01/09
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wooo hoo Maizen's back!
![]() ![]() ![]() Caramel, I'm doing a WF today with you. After being so smug (to myself) about maintaining my new weight for several days, wouldn't you know it bounced back up again today ![]() |
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: North Georgia Mountains
Posts: 1,366
Gallery: maizenbluebabe
Stats: 182.0/168.4/150
WOE: LowCarb, JUDDD
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thanks guys. I am glad to be back. I havent weighed--probably wont until next week but my smaller clothes are NOT fitting tighter so I take that as good news. This will be an UPDay--very low carb. I am aiming for a AWF tomorrow---not sure yet. It will take me a bit to get into the rhythm of this again. While the kids were here, I just ate mainly VLC and didnt worry about calories or alternating, so it will be good to get back to some nice simple down days again. AND lots of water!
I am still trying to catch up on everyone's news and progress while I was gone. |
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Blabbermouth!!!
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The Magnolia State
Posts: 5,307
Gallery: jgw
Stats: SW229 CW185 GW150
WOE: Low carb
Start Date: Everyday!
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Hello everyone, it's good to be back, I took my computer with me when I went my seminar and the hotel did not have free internet service. They charge 15 dollars a day for their high speed internet service, no way! I sure miss checking in with you all.
Welcome Pushing 40. Caramel, I'm glad you are back and feeling better. Today will be a water fast for me due to the daily eating this weekend and last week. I did not do too much damage. 2 pounds. I will have that off by the end of the week if not sooner with JUDDD and tweaking! |
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Hickory, NC
Posts: 88
Gallery: Kevin's Girl
Stats: 150/126/125
WOE: Atkins
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Hi All,
I am currently following a low carb plan but am interested in possibly giving JUDDD a try. I am wondering if you all could fill me in on what you eat on the 500 calorie days. I would prefer to have actual food as opposed to shakes, etc. I would also like to eat low carb even on my down days. Thanks so much for your input. |
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Good morning everyone! I am loving this WOE and am thankful for all the support here.
Yesterday was a med. day and I kept it just under 1200 cal, as per plan. I was very excited yesterday at the grocery store to buy some stuff I haven't let myself buy when I was doing Atkins: organic apples and bananas and strawberries and I got some cottage cheese. I was also thrilled to find some Hood Calorie Countdown milk. They NEVER have it. So this morning bfast was a great shake with that, designer whey, flaxmeal, 1/2 banana, 1 tsp peanut butter, cocoa powder and my fave ingredient, DaVinci sugarfree banana syrup. It was so deelish. I get so sick of eggs every day. I am still low carbing, but am letting my net totals get more toward 35g instead of 20 grams. This makes all the difference in the world for me because it adds so much more variety. What I am really hoping for is to have less of a bounce back in 3 weeks, when I will be going on a mini 4 day vacation and will be eating as I please. Kevin's girl: Welcome and do give it a try! I, for one, love the down days, but only do two a week and keep them for busy work days. I also save all calories for one meal at dinner time. This is based upon the fast five plan, plus I would just rather have one good meal than a few snacks. So far, after 4 down days, I have had taco salads (sans chips) 3 out of 4 times and homemade, locarb kung pao chicken another. To me, a big stir fry kind of thing with cabbage, veggies and chicken, is a great way to get in a pretty good meal and keep it under 500 cal. ( I do 400 on my dd's) I am starting my 3rd week of this plan today. tomorrow is weigh in day. |
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Giant leafy salads with low fat low carb dressing raw vegetables with spicy hummus Chicken breast Celery with Laughing Cow Light Cheese Hebrew National 97% fat free hot dogs (45 cals each) 1 cup of broccolli with two scrambled eggs Trader Joe's turkey meaballs (100 cals for two) |
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Blabbermouth!!!
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The Magnolia State
Posts: 5,307
Gallery: jgw
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Blabbermouth!!!
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Indiana
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Gallery: dasiey
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