JUDD/JohnsonAlternateDayDiet Feb 2009

[soontobesexy'ntx]

weight in day!!!!
three days on JUDDD
2/9 to 2/12
202!!!
5 lbs down!!

IJUDD

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by soontobesexy'ntx

weight in day!!!!
three days on JUDDD
2/9 to 2/12
202!!!
5 lbs down!!

IJUDD

way to go. today is ud trying to decide what to eat. truely dd are easier. I know that I am having 2 shakes and thats it.

[soontobesexy'ntx]

I'll eat like a DD today at work then
I GET TO EAT SUPPER!!!!

[Ilpirata]

Calories 392
Fat 21.5 193 48 %
Carbohydrate 14.3 56 14 %
Dietary Fiber 4.8
Protein 37.8 151 38 %
Alcohol 0.0 0 0 %


Right on track with those.
Weight has bounced up a smidge after my ginormous UD on Tuesday. I'm confident I'll see a new low low within the next week of solid low DD and accurage UD.

[Ilpirata]

Good to know. Does that mean it would be bad if I did 2 DD's in a row?

Yep Cowgirl, We are NOT supposed to do two DD in a row. If a DD must turn into an UD because of social engagement or other reason we do two UD in a row and then go right back to a solid DD the day after.

Looking forward to a good whole week and see what I have done in my first week {Next Wed... Took me couple times to get this going .I feel Im going to make it.
Kind

YAY KIND! You did it! It sometimes takes several false starts but the DD definately get better as we get a few under our belt. Enjoy your good healthy UD and aim to eat all of your calories. I'm positive you'll get goood results on your official one week!

This is very cool, I wonder if it would work if you don't follow strict low carb? Kisha, congrats on getting into the 100's I can't wait for that day!!

Thanks doll! I'm really really pleased with this WOE. According to the JUDDDD plan as written you do NOT need to do strict low carb. Of course since this is LCF most of us DO follow Low Carb as well as JUDDDD. For me I need the advantage of ketosis to make it through the DD. I know I'd be famished (as in hungry enough to eat my hand) if I wasn't LCing at the same time!

I've been re-thinking my notion of having egg noodles as part of my UD menu. I'm thinking it is wiser to stick to LC foods, to low-glycemic vegies and fruit, as I increase calories for an UD. Allowing total carb fest will damage what ketosis I have going on, which is bound to slow down weight loss. So I'm looking at a list of vegies and fruits that I might allow on the UD - and will let egg noodles be a food that I'll lust for in my heart (just love Jimmy Carter's phrasing!) while I do what I can to reduce flesh by avoiding flour/pasta for a little longer. From what I hear, some of our favorite starchy carby food is not All That when we do allow ourself a little latitude. What a waste, to find out that a carby craving is not what we remember, not the lift or the escape that it once was for us!

I think you're on the right track with this thinking Zer! This is absolutely the approach I take to JUDDDD.

[Ilpirata]

weight in day!!!!
three days on JUDDD
2/9 to 2/12
202!!!
5 lbs down!!

IJUDD

YAY SOON! You are totally kicking butt! WTG and KUTGW.

[Ilpirata]

way to go. today is ud trying to decide what to eat. truely dd are easier. I know that I am having 2 shakes and thats it.

That is so interesting dasiey...
I love my UD but really they CAN be more of a challenge as I learned with my little *extra* thousand calorie latte from starbucks! It is important for ME to stay right around 2000 cals on my UD in order to lose. Thats my project for the next week... establishing a solid UD eating pattern that falls within my caloric guidelines.

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by soontobesexy'ntx

weight in day!!!!
three days on JUDDD
2/9 to 2/12
202!!!
5 lbs down!!

IJUDD

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

That is so interesting dasiey...
I love my UD but really they CAN be more of a challenge as I learned with my little *extra* thousand calorie latte from starbucks! It is important for ME to stay right around 2000 cals on my UD in order to lose. Thats my project for the next week... establishing a solid UD eating pattern that falls within my caloric guidelines.

well on uds there are so many choices and I sometimes can't decide on what to eat.

[SpaceCowgirl]

Yesterday was my first DD.

Calories: 493
Fat: 40 grams (72.1%)
Protein: 35 grams (27.9%)
Carbs: 0 grams (0%)

And I'm down 2 pounds since yesterday - WOO HOO! It helped push me into the 180's!! I'm so excited

[torister]

I am thinking about giving this a try. Would it be possible for some of you to post your menus for DD's? If you use bars, give the brand, etc. I would want to keep it LC to stay in ketosis. Any feedback would be great. Thanks.

[soontobesexy'ntx]

torister

Originally Posted by soontobesexy'ntx

Happy Moan-day to you too!!
after a whole weekend of UD++++
I've gained!! (I know the book said not to weight after UD's
but I needed to know where I was. today is start-over day and DD
Journal - check
calorie counter books - check
food for work
3 (WM brand) special K 90 cal bars
2 (35 cal) bags of baby carrots
1 bowl (20 cals) SF jello
galon jug of SF koolaid
check

thats 360 cals while at work leaving 140 for "supper"
IKENDOTHIS!!

[Zer]

If you use bars, give the brand, etc.
I would want to keep it LC to stay in ketosis.

Bars are not a part of any successful LC plan, far as I can tell. Bars are glop. Dr.Atkins indicated that bars are a last-ditch alternative, not a daily menu item for a healthy LC lifestyle.

[soontobesexy'ntx]

Originally Posted by Zer

Bars are not a part of any successful LC plan, far as I can tell. Bars are glop. Dr.Atkins indicated that bars are a last-ditch alternative, not a daily menu item for a healthy LC lifestyle.

I'm not Lcing I'm on calorie counting Juddd

[Zer]

Ah, and I see that you are on the brink of ONEderLand too - so I am getting ready to do a HaPpYdance to celebrate your success. My post was to torister, who is asking for brand-name bars - and who maybe will use bars anyway.

If you use bars, give the brand, etc.
I would want to keep it LC to stay in ketosis.

I'm lurking and learning... and not critiquing your plan. Clearly you are successful - and no one can argue with success!

[Ilpirata]

And I'm down 2 pounds since yesterday - WOO HOO! It helped push me into the 180's!! I'm so excited

Awesome Cowgirl! Great DD and amazing results.

[Leo41]

No longer fear social occasions!

In the past, I would get anxious if I had a social event involving eating and wind up overeating the entire day. Yesterday, I had a restaurant dinner to deal with. Ideally, it should have been a DD, but I was willing to go over for a "medium" day (something I've never managed) or even a regular UD (last choice) if necessary. I just didn't want to wreck myself over it.

I can't NOT eat all day because of meds, etc., but I kept myself to minimum calories so that I drove to the event (a long drive was involved too) on just 250 calories. When we finally had dinner, I ate just a small portion of the salad (regular oil/vinegar dressing) and a nice piece of broiled red snapper. I figure it was no more than 400 cal. total. So a day at 650 isn't so bad, even if over my DD quota.

This is the first time I've ever felt control over my eating at a social event, and I'm convinced that JUDDD puts one into a different mindset than typical "diets." Focusing on making healthy choices for as few calories as possible is a nice way to be thinking!

[Ilpirata]

I am thinking about giving this a try. Would it be possible for some of you to post your menus for DD's? If you use bars, give the brand, etc. I would want to keep it LC to stay in ketosis. Any feedback would be great. Thanks.

Hey Peggy,
I follow LC on both UD and DD. I have never done the all liquid although I know several JUDDDDers use Slim Fast Optima (LC) or Atkins Shakes and do all liquid on DD.

Lately my DD menu has been:

4 Trader Joe's Turkey Meat Balls
2 Scrambled Eggs
1/4 cup fresh red pepper

1 fl. oz of half and half in my morning coffee

OR

3 wedges laughing cow light cheese
1/2 cup raw carrots
1/2-1 cup cellery sticks
1/4-1/2 cup red pepper strips
4 oz Trader Joe's spicy Hummus

Many JUDDDDers do well with homemade veggie/cabbage soup and some also use Shiratake noodles.

I've also had DD that was just three scrambled eggs cooked in PAM and 1 cup of broccolli.

Its not much food but its only for one day and it gets easier as you stack some under your belt!

[Ilpirata]

This is the first time I've ever felt control over my eating at a social event, and I'm convinced that JUDDD puts one into a different mindset than typical "diets." Focusing on making healthy choices for as few calories as possible is a nice way to be thinking!

This is SO AMAZING to hear about!

[torister]

Originally Posted by Zer

Bars are not a part of any successful LC plan, far as I can tell. Bars are glop. Dr.Atkins indicated that bars are a last-ditch alternative, not a daily menu item for a healthy LC lifestyle.

Well...I have been LC since November eating whole foods and I have never had a bar, so its not likely that I plan on using them on a daily basis if at all. I just like to know all my options.

[torister]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Hey Peggy,
I follow LC on both UD and DD. I have never done the all liquid although I know several JUDDDDers use Slim Fast Optima (LC) or Atkins Shakes and do all liquid on DD.

Lately my DD menu has been:

4 Trader Joe's Turkey Meat Balls
2 Scrambled Eggs
1/4 cup fresh red pepper

1 fl. oz of half and half in my morning coffee

OR

3 wedges laughing cow light cheese
1/2 cup raw carrots
1/2-1 cup cellery sticks
1/4-1/2 cup red pepper strips
4 oz Trader Joe's spicy Hummus

Many JUDDDDers do well with homemade veggie/cabbage soup and some also use Shiratake noodles.

I've also had DD that was just three scrambled eggs cooked in PAM and 1 cup of broccolli.

Its not much food but its only for one day and it gets easier as you stack some under your belt!

Thanks Kisha! That is what I was looking for. I think I could do that. Something to think about anyway. I enjoy reading this thread.

[Ilpirata]

Thanks Kisha! That is what I was looking for. I think I could do that. Something to think about anyway. I enjoy reading this thread.

I also wanted to add that I've done well with a salad bar near my work at lunch. I do lots of lettuce, celery, a little carrots, a little shredded parm, a little FF ranch and lots of balsamic. Can get in a big old salad for like 100 cals and still pretty darn low carb.

There are lots of options to play around with once you calulcate your DD cals.

[Leo41]

Peggy-


Like Kisha, I eat low carb both DD and UD both for health reasons and to control my appetite. I began DDs with just shakes, and I still use them mainly because I'm concerned with keeping my protein high (to avoid muscle wasting). I have two kinds right now, both from Netrition: Syntrax (a powder to mix that comes to 90 cal. with 23 g. of carb per serving). I like Syntrax because it comes in citrus flavors, something a little different. Also, Worldwide has a ready-to-drink canned shake (nice flavors; my favorite is cookies and cream) with 170 cal per can but 35 g of protein. Both have fewer than 3 carbs per serving.

I like to have "food" in the morning, so with my coffee (a lot of coffee because I drink it black), I usually fry an Eggbeaters in spray (like Pam) for 60 cal, and spread a wedge of lite Laughing Cow cheese (35 cal) on TWO bran crisp crackers (12 cal each). It tastes like a big, delicious breakfast with only about 120 calories total with about 5 g. of carbs.

The rest of the day, I usually have shakes up to my maximum, which I like to keep at 400 or slightly below.

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by kellycarbaddict

I had a hard day yesterday too... I held strong too. I think 419 for the day is AWESOME! My aim is 25% which is just under 500 calories and I've been doing really well to stay within that range. 20% was in the 300 and that scared me.

Good luck this week.

Yeah, I always remind myself that if I can't make the 20%, I'm okay as long as I stay under 500 - that's a big deal to me, because some days I need that 200cal.

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Kisha-

It may not have been your two UDs but your body wanting to get back over 200! I find that when I'm losing regularly, all of a sudden I will feel very hungry--for no apparent reason. If I resist (as JUDDD helps me do), it will go away, but it feels like real hunger.

Yesterday that happened on my DD (I think because I've been losing steadily recently), and it helped to know that I've been fine in the past on 400 cal. That is, I knew it wasn't because I was eating too little, and it wasn't the food. That's the advantage of eating pretty much the same things on DDs. If I feel more hunger than usual, I know it's just my body complaining.

I read somewhere that your body will actually stimulate hunger pains in an effort to get the person to stop losing weight, especially if the person has gone below one of the body's "set points" (usually a weight that you've stayed at for some period of time in the past).

Oh, really? THis is new information to me! It makes a lot of sense. Right before I have a loss I find myself REALLY struggling through my DDs... then BOOM! there it is - a loss on the scale, and I seem to be okay.

[soontobesexy'ntx]

Originally Posted by Zer

Ah, and I see that you are on the brink of ONEderLand too - so I am getting ready to do a HaPpYdance to celebrate your success. My post was to torister, who is asking for brand-name bars - and who maybe will use bars anyway. I'm lurking and learning... and not critiquing your plan. Clearly you are successful - and no one can argue with success!

ZER
I owe you an apology, I'm PMS/TOM and everyone "is out to get me"
my DH even said "honey darling" Please go take your Witchie pills,
(midol/pamprin)

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by rhlong

ok So I read through the book. And I'm so bad, I've never made it through a down day. How do you get through the first down day? That is so mentally hard for me.

I told myself : "I WILL do this!" whatever it was that I was craving, I simply PROMISED myself that as soon as my eyes opened on the next (Up) day that I would eat that thing, but that I was NOT giving in this time!

I kept setting aside the food that was tempting me in a 'saved for Naomi' place, so I could eat it the next day.

I also had made my DD menus up the night before, so that I could double check the calorie count.


I'm not gonna lie to you - the first week or two of this, you love the UDs but you hate the DDs. You should read my journal from the first few days - all I do is gripe. But if you tell yourself that you WILL celebrate the next day, and you keep that promise, it starts to get easier and easier. Now it's just a part of my life and I don't even think about it.

[Zer]

No apology necessary. Just hang in there and get yo' sexy self to ONEderLand so we can all celebrate with a HaPpYdance! Love your signature mantra!

I am fit, healthy and at goal weight.
I am financially stable,
money comes frequently
and abundantly.
(the secret)

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by Zer

Yep, with JUDDD, anything at all is "only a day away" - and that is what makes the DDs tolerable, I gather. I'm still gathering data and looking at my caloric guidelines for JUDDD. Not yet working a JUDDD program. Computed my UD/DD calories at Johnson's site and I'm off to ****** to see how I can do this. Calculator shows me (5'10", 380#, 65yo, lethargic activity level) at 2798/560 for UD/DD calorie targets on a 20% Weight Loss Mode restriction. I'm off now to ****** to see how that menus out. I see the UD:2798cals is higher than my target for BMR:2423cals that I hardly ever hit without tremendous effort. Maybe I can "do" egg noodles - my lingering craving from carby days - to reach my UD cals? Well, that's a thought. Am I daft to drift to thinking I can eat egg noodles on my UD and still hope to see a weight loss while I do JUDDD? Will this really work? Smarter, maybe, to do a baked potato as a less-processed carb? Probably.

On UDs eat to hunger - the calculator is a guide not a rule. You may find you eat more calories or less, it's okay... you want to stay at or below 500 cal on your DD however and preferebaly withing the 20-30% range of your UD suggested limit. Th UD figure is used by JUDDD to calculate the required DD limit... that's the important number.

The biggest relief for me has been to be able to have any kind of carb. Potato, noodle, cake, whatever (even real syrup and sugar). I always feel EXTREEMELY naughty on UDs eating this stuff... but I'm consitently losing about 2 pounds a day, so.....

Keep in mind I religiously stick to 20% on DD when I can...

[torister]

Originally Posted by Zer

My post was to torister, who is asking for brand-name bars - and who maybe will use bars anyway.

Oh my gosh. Why did I even post?

As I stated before, I have been LC'ing since mid November. I eat clean, whole foods and have not veered OP once since then. I have even given up caffeine and almost all AS.

I simply wondered if anyone used bars and if so, what ones did they like. I know what they are made of. However, as I stated previously, I like to know all available options when I am contemplating a change. I look before I leap.

Thanks to those who were nice enough to post meal menus. I am most appreciative.

Back to lurking.

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by Zer

What a relief, that the UD figure is a limit and not a target! Whew! ... Plenty of water, all day long, too! Now, what does ****** show me for a DD menu, starting off with a Hot Slosh (WheyPP+Tbs/espresso+Tbs/cacao) for a hefty 184calories?

Whoops, sardines in olive oil are too rich for a 560cal DD at 460cals for fishies in 2Tbs olive oil; that's an UD treat! Not bad. I can snack all day on HB eggs!

You're going to want to incorporate fiber of some sort and nutritional supplementation on your DDs, especially with a menu like this one -

I personally recommend dropping an egg or two and loading up on one serving of SF metamucil and at LEAST 2 full cups dark green or leafy veggies. You'll still stay low carb and it will be helpful to your weight loss AND help fill your tummy (you'll need it, cuz your body will be screaming for food on DDs).

You've got to remember also that you don't 'necessarily' have to LC on this WOE - there are several of us who do and they can give you tips - but if you 'are' planning on eating carbs - like egg noodles - you're not going to be experiencing the 'must have xyz amount of protein or body will eat my muscles' like you would on a traditional LC diet.

I've actually found that by eating about 45 g of lean protein and the rest of my calories in leafy/green veggies on DDs and not restricting my carbs (abotu 10-150 g per day) on UDs that I've gained muscle mass while losing fat. First time I've ever had that happen.

I also suspect that I'm staying in a ketosis-like state, despite eating pretty much what I want on UDs, because I have that 'induction pee' (you know the look and smell) on my DDs and in the morning when I wake up after DDs.

Doing this has helped my body handle carbs, retaught me to eat fiber, AND allowed me to lose a steady 2# per week (about 3-4 ounces per day).

But you've got to design this to your comfort level - like I said, there are many, many, many ways of approaching this WOE.