JUDD/JohnsonAlternateDayDiet Feb 2009

[Leo41]

Carol Jean-

Yes, I read that green tea is bad for the thyroid--on these boards. However, I haven't seen that any other place, and when I asked my endo about that, he said that he'd never heard of such a thing. It's supposed to me because it's processed with fluoride, but my tap water has added fluoride, and that's never bothered my thyroid (judging by my regular 4-month tests) and I'm sure I'm ingesting more fluoride from my water than I could possibly get from the tea.

I also asked my endo about the fluoride in my tap water (because the reverse osmosis filter is VERY expensive), and he told me not to worry about my water. He even said not to worry about "occasional" soy--but not to eat it regularly--which I don't.

So unless I experience major problems with the tea, I'm going to continue drinking it.

[Leo41]

Retro-

I totally sympathize with your situation (as a fellow hypothyroid), but I'd be devastated by no loss with c.900 cal per day. As I've written here, I've never been able to sustain that level very long without overeating in frustration--until JUDDD.

Right now, I'm struggling with my DD for the first time since I started this plan in mid-December, but I'm just telling myself that I can eat well tomorrow, and somehow this works (don't ask me how:-)

If you haven't been doing JUDDD, I hope you'll give it a try because after losing about 80 pounds (slowly over several years), I stalled for the past year as my body seemed to want to hold on to every ounce. I lost and gained the same five pounds over and over, and was totally frustrated. Now with JUDDD, I'm beginning to lose again, but, more important, I'm able to sustain an average of 800-900 cal a day by the combination of UD and DD. I could never do that just eating LC every day, as I had been doing.

[Ilpirata]

Right now, I'm struggling with my DD for the first time since I started this plan in mid-December, but I'm just telling myself that I can eat well tomorrow, and somehow this works (don't ask me how:-)

Hang in there Leo! I'm struggling a bit too... somehow that "I can eat tomorrow" thinking seems to always get me through these moments. Also just sitting at my desk doesn't help. When I'm out and about with engagements after work its all so much easier! I'm thinking I'd like some hot tea!

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

UGH!!! That is just heinous! 914 cals a day average and no loss. God this hypO is BRUTAL! You just amaze me with your dedication and determination. It is so hard not to give up when you're not getting results.

I am BEYOND thrilled with my JUDD results so far. I have always claimed that if I could just average .5 LBS lost per week I'd be over the moon thrilled and I think JUDD can give me those results. And last week i lost TWO POUNDS!!! I haven't had a two pound loss week in who knows how long. PLUS - I am eating 2000+ calories every other day! The DD have gotten easier and easier and frankly with the way you've been eating now will be a piece of cake for you! You've got all those great low cal recipes in your aresenal. I'm so excited for you to come on board and eager to see if you can get results on a month of JUDD. I THINK YOU CAN!

Kisha: I'm so glad this is working for you! Thanks for the sympathy and support!

Originally Posted by Leo41

Retro-

I totally sympathize with your situation (as a fellow hypothyroid), but I'd be devastated by no loss with c.900 cal per day. As I've written here, I've never been able to sustain that level very long without overeating in frustration--until JUDDD.

Right now, I'm struggling with my DD for the first time since I started this plan in mid-December, but I'm just telling myself that I can eat well tomorrow, and somehow this works (don't ask me how:-)

If you haven't been doing JUDDD, I hope you'll give it a try because after losing about 80 pounds (slowly over several years), I stalled for the past year as my body seemed to want to hold on to every ounce. I lost and gained the same five pounds over and over, and was totally frustrated. Now with JUDDD, I'm beginning to lose again, but, more important, I'm able to sustain an average of 800-900 cal a day by the combination of UD and DD. I could never do that just eating LC every day, as I had been doing.

Well, Leo, I think one of the things that kept me on track during those 2 months was that I finally broke my scale habit and only weighed twice -- once each month. That kept me from going insane and throwing in the towel. If I do proceed with JUDDD I believe I will do it much as you are -- shooting for a weekly average of under 1000 cals. If that works, I will play with increasing cals on the UD to see what can be tolerated.

JUDDD may also be a sensible way to "repair" any damage done to my metabolism by past low cal/low carb eating. (Not sure I buy into that whole theory, but what the hey!). The common wisdom is that calories need to be increased and your body will then become accustomed to the new, higher levels. In the past when I have tried to do that (eating to BMR, for instance) I have just gained, with no adjustment and tapering off -- just gain. Maybe I can eventually sneak my weekly caloric average a little higher with this alternate day plan.

Good luck with getting thru today's difficult DD.

[dasiey]

today is ud and I have been having around 1200 to 1300 each ud. today I will try to eat more. I got very lite headed in the shower this morning and had to get out and set down. has that happened to any one else?

[Ilpirata]

today is ud and I have been having around 1200 to 1300 each ud. today I will try to eat more. I got very lite headed in the shower this morning and had to get out and set down. has that happened to any one else?

Hi Dasiey... who so low on UD? How many calories did the website say you should be eating? I've definately gotten light headed when I was undereating before!

[Leo41]

Retro-

I had the same experience you did when I tried to up my calories to BMR--I just gained weight, and much more quickly than I've ever lost!

I've talked this over with my endo (the most sensible of my doctors), and he says that I have an extremely low metabolism--not from low cal eating but mainly menopause, hypo, and genetics. When I tell him that I can't lose unless I stay at 1000 cal a day or lower, he agrees that's what I need to do--i.e., he doesn't "warn" me against too few calories. He also sympathizes with how difficult it is, and he tells me that he has other patients in my situation.

I have always gained easily and lost very, very slowly, but menopause has made it much more difficult. My body seems to want to hang on to every ounce. But as with everything in life, you play the hand you're dealt. . . .

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Hi Dasiey... who so low on UD? How many calories did the website say you should be eating? I've definately gotten light headed when I was undereating before!

right under 2000. but I have never been able to eat that much and lose.

[Leo41]

Retro-

I'm so far from goal that I don't think about what I'll do when I get there, but I read (either in Dr. J's book or on his old website) that at goal, you begin adding DD calories to 600-800 until you stop losing. Of course, he's into the longevity benefits of this WOE, and I'm mainly concerned with NOT regaining after I lose. However, that might still be a better way to go than abandoning JUDDD for say, 1200-1400 low carb daily which is what I think I'd need to do. After 400 cal, a DD of 800 would seem like a feast!

[Ilpirata]

right under 2000. but I have never been able to eat that much and lose.

BUT you've also never done the alternate day diet before right? Eating 2000 cals EVERY DAY I don't doubt that you didn't lose. But if you are only eating 400 on your DD and 2000 on your UD then the AVERAGE of the two days is just 1200 calories. Please give it a shot! JUDD is specifically designed for enough calories on UD to fool your metabolism into not shutting down.

[dasiey]

I am going to. I just had a snack 320 cals. and you are right dd less then 400. maybe it will all average out. I hope.

[Ilpirata]

I am going to. I just had a snack 320 cals. and you are right dd less then 400. maybe it will all average out. I hope.

Awesome~! Do you track your food intake? I've found that doing that really helps me see exactly what is going on. I ALWAYS track on DD but not every UD. This day I'm doing every single day so I can really see what my average is for one week. I'm pretty sure my daily average is about 1300.

[dasiey]

yes I track every day. no matter what. old habits.

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by dasiey

right under 2000. but I have never been able to eat that much and lose.

Remember, dasiey, you're average calories for the week will actually be much lower than 2000.

Here's what you're week would look like (we're looking at weekly averages here) :
M DD - 400
T UD - 2000
W DD - 400
T UD -2000
F DD - 400
S UD - 2000
S DD - 400

DAILY AVERAGE (add all calories together and then divide by number of days): 1086 calories per day


See how that works?

I never lose weight - I'm lucky with .5 pounds every 2 weeks, but following this plan (almost exactly my counts above) I'm consistently losing about 2 pounds per week.

Don't short yourself if you can avoid it. Unless you're SEVERE hypo (which some people are)a daily average of 1086 should be great. Even a SEVERE hypo (we have more than a few here) who needs to keep daily calories below 900 would have a plan that looks something like this:

M DD - 300
T UD - 1700
W DD - 300
T UD -1700
F DD - 300
S UD - 1700
S DD - 300

DAILY AVERAGE (add all calories together and then divide by number of days): 900 calories per day.


So you can see that you can safely allow yourself more on UDs.

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by Leo41

Retro-

I had the same experience you did when I tried to up my calories to BMR--I just gained weight, and much more quickly than I've ever lost!

I've talked this over with my endo (the most sensible of my doctors), and he says that I have an extremely low metabolism--not from low cal eating but mainly menopause, hypo, and genetics. When I tell him that I can't lose unless I stay at 1000 cal a day or lower, he agrees that's what I need to do--i.e., he doesn't "warn" me against too few calories. He also sympathizes with how difficult it is, and he tells me that he has other patients in my situation.

I have always gained easily and lost very, very slowly, but menopause has made it much more difficult. My body seems to want to hang on to every ounce. But as with everything in life, you play the hand you're dealt. . . .

Originally Posted by Leo41

Retro-

I'm so far from goal that I don't think about what I'll do when I get there, but I read (either in Dr. J's book or on his old website) that at goal, you begin adding DD calories to 600-800 until you stop losing. Of course, he's into the longevity benefits of this WOE, and I'm mainly concerned with NOT regaining after I lose. However, that might still be a better way to go than abandoning JUDDD for say, 1200-1400 low carb daily which is what I think I'd need to do. After 400 cal, a DD of 800 would seem like a feast!

Leo:

Sounds like we have a lot in common (unfortunately)

[Leo41]

Feeling some success today and keeping fingers crossed that this will continue!

Yesterday I struggled with my DD for the first time since starting JUDDD but finished with 450 cal (including 50 for my supplements!) which is only 50 higher than I usually allow myself. And I'm down 2 pounds this week!

I suspect yesterday's hunger was my body resisting loss because in the past whenever I've lost any weight, I find myself famished. Reminding myself that I could eat "anything I wanted" today really helped me stay on course.

Again, JUDDD seems to be the answer to my need to seriously restrict calories. What I also love about this woe is that I feel great.

[dasiey]

mammapo thats an eye opener. I did get 1520 in cals. yesterday. today dd.

[j4Christ]

Good Saturday morning! Sounds like everyone is doing great! I wish I had more time to post. Just checking in the say hi and JUDDD is going great for me! One question tho...

I noticed some of you are counting cals in your supplements. Mine don't show what the cals are on the bottle. Maybe someone could help. Here is what I take:

L-Glutamine
L-Tyrosine
Multi
Biotin
Acai Berry
Chlorella

Should I be counting cals for these? Have a great Saturday and strength to those on a DD today!!

[dasiey]

I don't take very many supplements. somedays I don't take any. I forget them. So when I do I don't count them.

[Zer]

I sure don't know how to count calories or carbs when I remember to take the supplements that I have on hand. I write 'em into my food diary, but not a clue how to tote up whatever calories or carbs are in a handful of pills and a swig of fish oil. Ah, well... so it goes.

I am looking for more protein-fat snacks like deviled eggs, for when I get th munchies and know better than to reach for nuts or pumpkin seeds. Lots of variations possible as well as fun to decorate with snippets of fresh herbs or sliced olives or bacon. I mix grated Asiago into my yolks for an incredible taste. And deviled eggs can be sandwiched to travel as an egg-shaped flavorful snack - just a bit tastier than a plain HB egg!

Melle's Cheatos is a fun recipe too - made with eggwhites and grated cheese into a featherlight cheesy meringue!

[Leo41]

Jenny-

I don't count anything except the ones that list calories on the bottle. That's really only my OIL supplements--fish oil and GLA. My Centrum Silver and biotin don't list calories, so I don't add them in (probably very little if any). I wouldn't worry about any that don't list a calorie count. In fact, I didn't count my oils until I happened to multiply the per capsule with the number of capsules I take and realized it was 50. When only eating 400, I thought 50 to be significant. But it didn't seem to bother me before I realized this and was actually eating 450 a day, so it probably doesn't matter at all.

[j4Christ]

Thanks, Leo, I won't count them. I probably would end up not taking them if I had to count them!!!

[kind]

Hi Every one.
I had company for 6 days and it was hard to stay with dieting. So today Im starting over with Juddd.Start with dd. I think I will see how today will be doing 400cals. or just a hair under .Try that number on dd for2 weeks and see.Also see how ud cals will be at 1200-1500.When you are older and gone through menopause then harder to loose.{I think.}Still have to get book. {Goal too is to weigh 1time a week.{or try}
j4 christ. I see you also take Acai berry.??
I took a bottle and have to get more this week. Now I got mine at walmart.But thinking of getting at health store.
I get the gel. They have Acai berry that u drink and is pure. but cost 40 dollars a bottle? Do u take that is pill form or bottle?Were did you buy?
I have read that is the best think to take is Acai berry.
Thanks.
Kind

[shunsweets]

Zer Thanks for the cheetos recipe. Sounds great and I've been craving something crunchy!

I take quite a few supplements but don't count anything. Too many numbers already with carbs, calories, protein ...

[kellycarbaddict]

Originally Posted by mammapo

Remember, dasiey, you're average calories for the week will actually be much lower than 2000.

Here's what you're week would look like (we're looking at weekly averages here) :
M DD - 400
T UD - 2000
W DD - 400
T UD -2000
F DD - 400
S UD - 2000
S DD - 400

DAILY AVERAGE (add all calories together and then divide by number of days): 1086 calories per day


See how that works?

I never lose weight - I'm lucky with .5 pounds every 2 weeks, but following this plan (almost exactly my counts above) I'm consistently losing about 2 pounds per week.

Don't short yourself if you can avoid it. Unless you're SEVERE hypo (which some people are)a daily average of 1086 should be great. Even a SEVERE hypo (we have more than a few here) who needs to keep daily calories below 900 would have a plan that looks something like this:

M DD - 300
T UD - 1700
W DD - 300
T UD -1700
F DD - 300
S UD - 1700
S DD - 300

DAILY AVERAGE (add all calories together and then divide by number of days): 900 calories per day.


So you can see that you can safely allow yourself more on UDs.

Thanks for spelling it out like that... I knew in my head that it should average out, but seeing it in writing really brings it home.

How are you doing? This week has been good to me, thanks for bringing this WOE up on the other thread. (((HUGS)))

[OceanDreaming]

My DD are going super well (less than 200 calories usually) but I have totally been blowing it on my UD. The last few I have been eating too much garbage and that's very unusual for me. I must stop that. I have been lurking over on the zero carb thread. I might try a meat/egg fast on my UD for a few days.

[kind]

Today I made my first dd.Had>>290cals.So if I dont feel hurgery later I might not need any more cals.}{ Tea @ water @ diet pop.
I made it.{ Pat on back self.}
I had 2 soups.{100 cals. for each whole can.@2 rice cakes._-290.

[dasiey]

sounds good. kind I had to slim fast shakes 360 cals. yesterday I had 1520 in cals.

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by kellycarbaddict

Thanks for spelling it out like that... I knew in my head that it should average out, but seeing it in writing really brings it home.

How are you doing? This week has been good to me, thanks for bringing this WOE up on the other thread. (((HUGS)))

I'm doing pretty well- facing my ladies' days soon, so I'm ravenously hungry.

This morning we had blueberry pancakes and syrup.

At Dinner I had two salads, four tacos, a baked apple with ricemilk, and some pasta with peas and pecans. Still hungry, so I'm going to have a piece of chocolate and off to bed.

Tomorrow's a DD so I'll be starving and prolly miserable (I eat soooooo many calories the week before ladies' time, typically), but on the plus side I should - between the ramped up hunger (that I don't feed) and the loss of the LD water bloat - see a loss of 5-6 pounds next week. I bloat like the Michelin man. I can put on up to 10 pounds in a day!

[OceanDreaming]

My DD totals today:

Coffee w/hh, crab meat, 2 tbs butter, lemon juice, hot and iced teas.

Calories
394

Fat: 75%
Protein: 19%
Carb: 6%