JUDD/JohnsonAlternateDayDiet Feb 2009

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

So I can still have two 97% fat free hebrew national hot dogs

Ooh! Thanks for reminding me about those -- I have some stashed away in the freezer somewhere. Perfect for DDs!

[Ilpirata]

Ooh! Thanks for reminding me about those -- I have some stashed away in the freezer somewhere. Perfect for DDs!

i JUST picked some up last time I was at TJ's... 45 cals each! Other staples for me are TJs Turkey Meatballs (100 cals for 2) Laughing Cow Light Garlic & Herb Cheese (35 cals per wedge) TJs tomato basil hummus (35 cals per 2 TBS) with fresh veg.

Of course eggs and frozen vegetables.

[Zer]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

i JUST picked some [97% fat free hebrew national hot dogs] up last time I was at TJ's... 45 cals each! Other staples for me are TJs Turkey Meatballs (100 cals for 2), Laughing Cow Light Garlic & Herb Cheese (35 cals per wedge), TJs tomato basil hummus (35 cals per 2 TBS) with fresh veg. Of course eggs and frozen vegetables.

Thanks for ideas to add to my TJ's list - along with fertile eggs from happy hens whose social life is busier than mine ever was! What about kumquats, tiny citrus fruits? So tangy!

[Ilpirata]

Thanks for ideas to add to my TJ's list - along with fertile eggs from happy hens whose social life is busier than mine ever was! What about kumquats, tiny citrus fruits? So tangy!

I'm just not a fruit person. I've done periods of time where I ate some blueberries... but i'm much more a veg than a fruit!

[kind]

Hi. I was reading the book >Eat this Not that.And he saids those are the best Hot dogs to get.{
You would be surprise what you think is healthy is not.
Oh well we all learn.{ Im really enjoy this siteand talking to u all. I think it helps to have buddies to do this with and learn tips. Im sure as we go along we will have more to talk about.
Take care.
Kind

[Ilpirata]

Hi. I was reading the book >Eat this Not that.And he saids those are the best Hot dogs to get.{
You would be surprise what you think is healthy is not.
Oh well we all learn.{ Im really enjoy this siteand talking to u all. I think it helps to have buddies to do this with and learn tips. Im sure as we go along we will have more to talk about.
Take care.
Kind

I couldn't agree with you more. I am convinced that the only reason I haven't given up is because of LCF. convinced.

[SpaceCowgirl]

Does anyone else feel less hungry on their UD?

I feel like I'm forcing myself to eat today. I know that there is a maximum number of calories to shoot for on your UD, but is there a minimum?

[kind]

There couple days on ud that I have not wanted to eat that much. He saids in book to eat till you are full.We have to learn to just eat when we are hungery.and stop when full. Its not {from what Im getting frombook] that we have to eat all our cals. It is just a limit that we should stay winth in.{If we need.
Some days you might want those calaries @take it to limit.Even on dds u might feel u need and can do well with lower.He saids in book on dd that the lower u can go the better.{Just some can not. You have to learn this is not a diet but a way to eat and lose and learn what food really is for.{That is to feed body and mind.
We also need to keep when doing this Good healthy fats. I think any one that is doing this should get the book. It really helps.[took me 3tries to get this.Untill I got the book.
Good luck.
Your body will tell u what it needs.Just stay with good healthy foodand most of all learn to read lables and look at the servings. Measure every thing and weighyour meats.{This iswhat Im learning and I also know we fall.But coming here and talking and giving tips as we go will help us.
Even if some think someone is wrong .know this is a way to learn for all.We didnt get fat by just eating salads and fat free dressings.
Mostly bad fats not enough exerice and sugar.and to much food,
Write every thing down you eat.

Just my thoughts.

[Leo41]

SpaceCowGirl-

Yes, one of the benefits of this plan for me is that I'm less hungry on UDs. Because of my situation (post-menopause, hypothyroid), I have to seriously restrict calories in order to lose. Before JUDDD, I would get frustrated/hungry trying to keep to <1000 cal daily. With JUDDD, it's no problem at all because if I eat 1200-1400 cal on an UD, I feel completely satisfied and not at all "deprived."

[fatnutritionist]

This is kind of gross but interesting. The other day when we had our DD that turned into an Up day, we ordered pizza. I had a few wings and then 2 slices of pizza (which before would have been nothing). I was so full that all of a sudden I ran to the bathroom and vomitted. I was so surprised because I had nothing in my stomach before dinner at all. Remember, this is after only 2.5 DD. It seems in that short of a time, my stomach capacity had shrunk.

[soontobesexy'ntx]

day one DD (after 4 days of MD's)
todays menu
brekkie
special K multi grain cracker 90 cals
lunch
"diet" soup
cabbage soup made with chicken
35 cals a cup
afternoon snack
diet jello 20 cals
supper
prob a repeat of lunch

[krysti]

UD yesterday. I did well until dinner when dh and some friends decided they wanted to go out. I probably wound up eating too many calories, but it was nice not to have to be stuck saying no to things I wouldn't normally eat. That was my thing with really strict low carb. I would eat low carb for so long and then crash, eating everything I felt deprived of. Last night, I took a couple of bites of bread without guilt for the first time in months. I'm going to try to keep this primarily low carb, but knowing if I don't that's ok too, is a really liberating feeling.

Keep up the good work everyone!

[Leo41]

Krysti-

I feel exactly the same way! Although I low carb for health reasons (trying to avoid diabetes2), I don't "fear" carbs the way I have in the past and can indulge sometimes with a potato or some brown rice.

Also, when those DDs turn into UDs, keep in mind that you can turn it around the very next day with a DD. That's the beauty of JUDDD.

[kind]

Hi. This is 2 weeks for me.
First week lost 7/1/2lbs
Today got on scale lost{ 2lbs.>Have5 days to go for this week.

[Ilpirata]

So I went a TAD over on my DD yesterday but this morning my weight is solid at my low low so I'm very happy. Yesterday was hard for me because I had to eat more cals at lunch than I normally would (business lunch)... Here's my totals:

Calories 613
Fat 37.3 328 53 %
Carbohydrate 26.8 105 17 %
Dietary Fiber 4.4
Protein 45.2 184 30 %
Alcohol 0.0 0 0 %

So I went over by about 100 cals but I'm not stressing. As long as I keep today good at 2000 cals that is still 1300 calorie average for the two days which is good for me/my metabolism.

I fell asleep fantasizing about what I would eat the moment I woke up today... and then woke up not even hungry! Of course I had my morning coffee with 1/2 and 1/2 and then ate 1.5 cups of chicken... I like to be sure to eat 3-6 meals on UD just to keep my metabolism guessing!

Happy JUDDDDing today girls!

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by soontobesexy'ntx

day one DD (after 4 days of MD's)
todays menu
brekkie
special K multi grain cracker 90 cals
lunch
"diet" soup
cabbage soup made with chicken
35 cals a cup
afternoon snack
diet jello 20 cals
supper
[COLOR="Red"]prob a repeat of lunch[/COLOR]

Hope not, but a little antacid might solve the problem.

(Yup, I'm kidding. )

[soontobesexy'ntx]

Cabbage Soup Recipe



6 large green onions
2 green peppers
1 or 2 cans of tomatoes (diced or whole)
3 Carrots
1 Container (10 oz. or so) Mushrooms
1 bunch celery
1/2 head cabbage
1 package Lipton onion soup mix
1 or 2 cubes bouillon (optional)
1 48oz can V8 juice (optional)

is the oriental soup diet
in large soup pot
1 bunch celery chopped
1 lf yellow onion ""
2 bell peppers ""
3 bunches green onions ""
1 lb lean meat cooked
1 box extra firn tofu diced
2 cans rotel or one rotel and on stewed tomatoes
1 bag frozen oriental veggies
1/2 head cabbage
1 bunch carrots or 2 lbs baby carrots
simmer for two hours
store in frige and nuke a bowl as needed
if you want a seafood soup add shrimp or other seafood last after simmering..

[Leo41]

I've been concerned about going too low cal because I really need to "push" some of my weight off (yes, JUDDD is working, but I seem to be around a set point that I bounce back to, and I'd like to get a big woosh just to get into a lower range).

There's all kinds of concern on these boards about very low calorie, but today I had one of my regular appointments with my endo, and I asked him about, say, 750 cal daily and metabolism (because we all hear about the "starvation mode" that will stall).

He said that they know from treating patients with Medifast that there is no metabolic shut down from very low calories and you can lose steadily at that level. He warned that if I did that, I should be sure to have regular blood tests to check for any deficiencies, but he checks my blood regularly, so if I can do it, I'd just need to let him know that the testing time so that he could include the relevant tests.

I've been averaging about 900 cal. a day on JUDDD (400/1400), so if I can lower my UDs just a little (1050?), I might be able to get my body to shed some weight. I focus on eating protein to keep from losing muscle instead of fat, and I'm not talking about doing this long term--just a month or so.

[dasiey]

Originally Posted by kind

Hi. This is 2 weeks for me.
First week lost 7/1/2lbs
Today got on scale lost{ 2lbs.>Have5 days to go for this week.

great job.

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by Leo41

There's all kinds of concern on these boards about very low calorie, but today I had one of my regular appointments with my endo, and I asked him about, say, 750 cal daily and metabolism (because we all hear about the "starvation mode" that will stall).

He said that they know from treating patients with Medifast that there is no metabolic shut down from very low calories and you can lose steadily at that level.

Hiya Leo:

If you are skeptical of the "starvation mode" premise (I myself am not sure it's been proven), then why JUDDD at all? I understood the whole strategy of JUDDD to be about consuming a low cal average while avoiding the (assumed) metabolic shutdown. Why not just go lower cal, perhaps with a variance in total cals and types of foods eaten per day to shake things up a bit?

P.S. Straight lower cal wasn't working for me, but you may have more luck with it.

[Ilpirata]

I've been averaging about 900 cal. a day on JUDDD (400/1400), so if I can lower my UDs just a little (1050?), I might be able to get my body to shed some weight. I focus on eating protein to keep from losing muscle instead of fat, and I'm not talking about doing this long term--just a month or so.

hmn... I'm a pirate, not a Doctor... BUT... I feel like it might be more effective to lower DD and keep UD high. Under 1200 for UD... I don't think its enough! thats my own opinion though and I actually DO believe in starvation mode.

[Leo41]

Retro-
My reason for JUDDD is that it's helped me restrict calories. When I was trying to do each day <1000, I got frustrated and tended to overeat too often. It was somehow too difficult to do that every day. But with JUDDD, I manage the DDs fairly well, and then the UDs seem like such a treat. I think the variety of the alternate days keeps me on track.

Kisha-
I don't think I can go lower on DDs. I know that a lot of people can fast completely on DDs, and perhaps someday I'll get to that point, but right now 400 cal seems just right for me. I've often eaten <1000 cal so I think that a 1000 cal UD is do-able for me.

What I've read about metabolic slowdown from restricted calories is that it is too small to really impact weight loss significantly--i.e., the lower calories have a stronger effect. My endo is part of a large practice, and they have nutritionists who administer and monitor patients on Medifast. He says that they haven't seen patients "stall" on very low calories--they lose consistently.

As I mentioned, I've been doing 400/1400 on JUDDD, so I don't think that 400/1050 is a big deal. Certainly not for a short term. Keep in mind that my metabolism is already very slow because of menopause, hypothyroid, and, my endo says, genetics that it may not go any slower.

I'm not advocating this for anyone else; I just need to try something to get my weight moving down again consistently.

[Ilpirata]

What I've read about metabolic slowdown from restricted calories is that it is too small to really impact weight loss significantly--i.e., the lower calories have a stronger effect. My endo is part of a large practice, and they have nutritionists who administer and monitor patients on Medifast. He says that they haven't seen patients "stall" on very low calories--they lose consistently.

As I mentioned, I've been doing 400/1400 on JUDDD, so I don't think that 400/1050 is a big deal. Certainly not for a short term. Keep in mind that my metabolism is already very slow because of menopause, hypothyroid, and, my endo says, genetics that it may not go any slower.

I'm not advocating this for anyone else; I just need to try something to get my weight moving down again consistently.

I absolutely understand where you are coming from and support whatever decision you have made. The key phrase for me in your above response is FOR THE SHORT TERM. The problem with LONG TERM Very Low Calorie is maintaining once the weight is lost. What does your Dr. have to say about THOSE statistics?

[SpaceCowgirl]

Hi all!

Today is a DD for me, but when I weighed this morning (yesterday being an UD), I am finally down! I started JUDD at 190.8 and this morning I was 188.0 Yay!

188 is a pretty big set point for me. I haven't been lower than 188 since before I got pregnant with my son, so I'm really hoping that today's DD will get me below 188.

[Ilpirata]

188 is a pretty big set point for me. I haven't been lower than 188 since before I got pregnant with my son, so I'm really hoping that today's DD will get me below 188.

WOOHOOO!!!! That is SO exciting.
What a relief!

[SpaceCowgirl]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

WOOHOOO!!!! That is SO exciting.
What a relief!

Thanks! I'm hoping I'll be back in here tomorrow with a happy update

[Ilpirata]

Thanks! I'm hoping I'll be back in here tomorrow with a happy update

I don't log on over the weekend but will be eagerly checking on you Monday!

[SpaceCowgirl]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

I don't log on over the weekend but will be eagerly checking on you Monday!

Aww, that is so sweet:blush:

You JUDDers are so supportive, I love it!

[kind]

Leo41 You do what you feel. if you have the book read.It answers alot of Q.
He saids on page 244.you absolutly do not have to consume all the cals estimated for your up days. the so purpose of using the calorie calcultateoris to find your calaries for your down dd.and still if you can go lower then that great@ better.{His words not mine..
therefore u need to detrmine the level that you can do for long time. Your body will tell u. Eat when u need and stop when full.
Just my thoughts.
Im doing dd 100-210cals.{Happy }and ud 1200.{If I need higher cals on eighter days I know I have room to play.But why eat if you dont need to just for cals.{ Make sure You are eating good foods and good fats.
Get book if you dont have and let your Dr. read 244 and see what he takes from this.

Ps. Any one have book? what are you picking up from reading page 244/245
kind

[Ilpirata]

Ps. Any one have book? what are you picking up from reading page 244/245
kind

i HAD it but can't find it since I moved at the beginning of the month! I hate to RE BUY it... as soon as I do I know it'll turn up LOL.