JUDDD TWEAKERS, FAST 5-ers, & WATER FASTERS

[NoSugarShell]

Maizenbluebabe - Great job! At this point I still can't imagine a WF or even a AWF. I also never thought I could make it till 2pm or even 5pm to eat but I am doing it everyday so maybe I see an AWF in my future......

[OceanDreaming]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

I just want to say--TA DA:

I have had nothing today except 1 cup of coffee with 100 calories of half and half and all the rest was water. I am not hungry or weak and DH made popcorn and I didnt even try to kill him for it--not a single grain.

I am working my way up to a real Water Fast as opposed to an Almost Water Fast (also known in scientific literature as AWF.)

My next DD will be a true low calorie fast day--probably eggs, tuna, and salad which I just love

Hey good for you! Baby steps, right? What kind of concoction do you make with the eggs, tuna, and salad? And how many calories do you stick to on DD? Just curious. My DD usually consist of chicken broth, pickles, coffee w/hh and maybe a veggie soup or HB eggs. I try to stay around 300 on DD though according to the site I can have up to 400.

[jgw]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

I just want to say--TA DA:

I have had nothing today except 1 cup of coffee with 100 calories of half and half and all the rest was water. I am not hungry or weak and DH made popcorn and I didnt even try to kill him for it--not a single grain.

I am working my way up to a real Water Fast as opposed to an Almost Water Fast (also known in scientific literature as AWF.)

My next DD will be a true low calorie fast day--probably eggs, tuna, and salad which I just love

Great Job!

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by NoSugarShell

Maizenbluebabe - Great job! At this point I still can't imagine a WF or even a AWF. I also never thought I could make it till 2pm or even 5pm to eat but I am doing it everyday so maybe I see an AWF in my future......

well, Michelle,you can see for yourself that you are successfully doing something you once thought you couldnt do. So you and I are very alike in how we have progressed. Keep in mind we are retired and I have no job outside our home or little kids to chase after. and

Until a few years ago, I never really paid much attention to the different kinds of fasts--just brushed them aside because I didnt think I could do one and also feared it might not be healthy for me. But after trying Fast-5 and JUDDD successfully, I began to realize there were many kinds of "fasting" and that a lot of people on LCF use some kind of fast, including water and juice fasts.

I knew I could NEVER do a juice fast because of the effect the carbs would have on my blood sugar. but after Caramel mentioned doing a water fast one day per week successfully, I began to re-think that particular kind of fast , and also others here began to mention water fasting in a sensible way to do it, so that was what made me at least consider that I might give it a try. And so far, so good.

The one cup of coffee per day will stay. (It is my only vice except for a margarita or two in the summertime) And coffee upsets my stomach without the buffering action of the half and half so that also has to stay.
So this is why I am doing the AWF. I may very well move on to a more serious form one day but for now, feel this is a good start.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by retroworx

Hi Folks:

Why researching calorie restriction and edema (I'm having some edema issues with my very low cal experiment) I stumbled upon this link to a book on fasting written by a Naturopath (Shelton) in the 1930s. The book is all there online, chapter-by-chapter. Some of you may find the historic discussion of fasting to be an interesting browse, even tho the science and medical "facts" will clearly be out-of-date:

Shelton: The Hygienic System Vol III; Fasting and Sun Bathing

Retro, I scanned a couple of his chapters (fasting and death and fasting and weight gain) you are right on; it is very interesting from a historic point of view. (And I have never seen anyone with as many "degrees" listed after their name as Dr Shelton does )

As I was reading his comments, I realized that when he wrote it in the thirties (and it was updated in the 50's as I recall) NO ONE yet was talking of the dangers of Eating Diseases like anorexia, or for that matter the other real dangers of extreme fasting, but they were certainly beginning to get an idea of its health benefits, although the work done then was just at the beginning stages. Thanks for posting this.

[Quandria]

Originally Posted by skeeweeaka

Hey did anyone see the kids show about Obesity...Oprah yesterday... I wept for them... How traumatic their lives must be! I was intrigued by the part where the interventionist asked the question, "What are you angry about."

Anyone else catch it??

TJ

No I didn't see it; interesting that they would bring up anger as an issue. I read or listened-to something not long ago about the FDA pushing to approve cholesterol-lowering drugs for kids. That made me very sad; especially with all the possible side effects. And the fact that the cholesterol and obesity problems for many of these kids could be controlled with dietary changes if it wasn't so darn hard for most people to figure out what's healthy to eat (thank you deceptive food packaging, the dieting industry & fast food).

[Quandria]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

I just want to say--TA DA:

I have had nothing today except 1 cup of coffee with 100 calories of half and half and all the rest was water. I am not hungry or weak and DH made popcorn and I didnt even try to kill him for it--not a single grain.

I am working my way up to a real Water Fast as opposed to an Almost Water Fast (also known in scientific literature as AWF.)

My next DD will be a true low calorie fast day--probably eggs, tuna, and salad which I just love

Woohoo Maizen - good for you

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Quandria

No I didn't see it; interesting that they would bring up anger as an issue. I read or listened-to something not long ago about the FDA pushing to approve cholesterol-lowering drugs for kids. That made me very sad; especially with all the possible side effects. And the fact that the cholesterol and obesity problems for many of these kids could be controlled with dietary changes if it wasn't so darn hard for most people to figure out what's healthy to eat (thank you deceptive food packaging, the dieting industry & fast food).

your comment made me think:

President Eisenhower has been quoted as warning Americans about what he called "The Dangers of The Vast Military-Industrial Complex."

Too bad the American public doesnt have someone to warn it of "The Dangers of The Vast Nutritional Industrial Complex."

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by OceanDreaming

Hey good for you! Baby steps, right? What kind of concoction do you make with the eggs, tuna, and salad? And how many calories do you stick to on DD? Just curious. My DD usually consist of chicken broth, pickles, coffee w/hh and maybe a veggie soup or HB eggs. I try to stay around 300 on DD though according to the site I can have up to 400.

OD, you are right in the ballpark of what I'd like to hit for on a DD with calories. I like to have a boiled egg mid afternoon, and some waterpak tuna and small salad for dinner.

What kind of pickles do you use?

[Quandria]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

your comment made me think:

President Eisenhower has been quoted as warning Americans about what he called "The Dangers of The Vast Military-Industrial Complex."

Too bad the American public doesnt have someone to warn it of "The Dangers of The Vast Nutritional Industrial Complex."

Too true!

I have a 13-year old and our deal is that he's allowed to have the hot school lunch, but that is considered junk food; and he eats healthy food at home without complaint. Well, without much complaint

[WHIRLYBIRD]

Hey Gang!
Looks like everyone is doing really good.
I'm not even going to start about my day...
I will say this, I caved in and ate. Yep, I was holding on so strong this morning and then started cleaning out my master bedroom closet and something came over me like an urgent need to eat.
I'm such a stress eater. I made myself some soup and ate one of DH's chicken hot wings. I'm a little disappointed that I didn't complete the day with doing a WF but I will be better prepared next time and not plan to do such a stressful chore that day. Maybe go to the spa or something (hahaha Yea, I wish)
I can't remember who mentioned taking the Apple Cider Vinager but that sounds like a good idea to keep the cravings at bay. I might try that too. I think I still have some in the pantry. Does anyone know if it ever goes bad? I'll check and see if it has an expiration date on it.

This thread is moving right along. I LOVE all the useful insight that everyone is bring to it. Thank You! Keep It Up Please.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Quandria

Too true!

I have a 13-year old and our deal is that he's allowed to have the hot school lunch, but that is considered junk food; and he eats healthy food at home without complaint. Well, without much complaint

Quandria, you are a smart mom--and I know it cant be easy to do this, especially with a 13YO boy because they start wanting to be independent at that age, and dont like to be told what to do!

I think it is SCANDALOUS the crap that our kids are offered at school. What an irony--the very place suppose to educate them to lead useful healthy lives as citizens and leaders of the future, is feeding them poison!

I wonder what the actual cost of childhood obesity will be to the taxpayers of this country in a few years--especially when young kids are now actually developing type 2 and HBP and all the other ills that go along with obesity. And being put on statins! My god, imagine the inflammatory diseases like asthma and arthritis, the need for bypass surgery, hip and knee replacement surgery, angioplasty, the list goes on and on and it is scary.

The Chinese (or Al Quaeda) will never have to send a soldier to our shores--all they have to do is wait until we bankrupt our society to take care of a gigantic moral, public health, and economic problem which is now being ignored in order to support the grain lobby. What a pity--greed still rules supreme.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by WHIRLYBIRD

Hey Gang!
Looks like everyone is doing really good.
I'm not even going to start about my day...
I will say this, I caved in and ate. Yep, I was holding on so strong this morning and then started cleaning out my master bedroom closet and something came over me like an urgent need to eat.
I'm such a stress eater. I made myself some soup and ate one of DH's chicken hot wings. I'm a little disappointed that I didn't complete the day with doing a WF but I will be better prepared next time and not plan to do such a stressful chore that day. Maybe go to the spa or something (hahaha Yea, I wish)
I can't remember who mentioned taking the Apple Cider Vinager but that sounds like a good idea to keep the cravings at bay. I might try that too. I think I still have some in the pantry. Does anyone know if it ever goes bad? I'll check and see if it has an expiration date on it.

This thread is moving right along. I LOVE all the useful insight that everyone is bring to it. Thank You! Keep It Up Please.

Jen, you need the natural ACV with "the mother" in it--run a search here on the board and you will find a lot about it. It isnt too likely that a regular grocery store would have it although I live in the boonies so what do I know?

Hey, dont beat yourself up. we have ALL done this (Or we wouldnt be hanging out here, now would we?) And anyhow, it doesnt sound like you have been scarfing down a whole chocolate cake or a big gorgeous pone of crispy cornbread (my DH loves it and makes it like his mama used to make from her old recipe and it smells so heavenly and it just kills me NOT to have any,.He also makes fabulous pizza from scratch and that is soooo hard to resist.)

"Tomorrow is another day, dearie"--another thing my mother loved to tell me when I was down in the dumps because I had had a disappointing day.

[WHIRLYBIRD]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

Jen, you need the natural ACV with "the mother" in it--run a search here on the board and you will find a lot about it. It isnt too likely that a regular grocery store would have it although I live in the boonies so what do I know?

Hey, dont beat yourself up. we have ALL done this (Or we wouldnt be hanging out here, now would we?) And anyhow, it doesnt sound like you have been scarfing down a whole chocolate cake or a big gorgeous pone of crispy cornbread (my DH loves it and makes it like his mama used to make from her old recipe and it smells so heavenly and it just kills me NOT to have any,.He also makes fabulous pizza from scratch and that is soooo hard to resist.)

"Tomorrow is another day, dearie"--another thing my mother loved to tell me when I was down in the dumps because I had had a disappointing day.

Thanks for the hug and advice about the ACV. I'll do the search for
"the mother" one and see what comes up. Are you talking about the Braggs brand? If so, that's the one I have. It's organic.
But I'll still do the search just in case.

[OceanDreaming]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

OD, you are right in the ballpark of what I'd like to hit for on a DD with calories. I like to have a boiled egg mid afternoon, and some waterpak tuna and small salad for dinner.

What kind of pickles do you use?

I got some of the Nalley (sp?) brand garlic dill that were really good but when I ran out, the store I was in didn't have any so I got the generic brand. Both do the trick nicely. I got Vlassic (or was it Klaussen's?) once and after eating half of them I noticed that they had added sugar in them which really ticked me off. Anyhow, the jar says 0 calories, 0 carbs for a serving but I know there are some calories and carbs in there. But they do the trick when I'm really hungry and want something to munch on.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by WHIRLYBIRD

Thanks for the hug and advice about the ACV. I'll do the search for
"the mother" one and see what comes up. Are you talking about the Braggs brand? If so, that's the one I have. It's organic.
But I'll still do the search just in case.

I think it is Bragg's--it is supposed to be the unpasteurized kins as I recall. and the "mother" loooks like a little thready mass floating around in it

You have a beautiful smile--be careful of your teeth if you take in ACV.

[OceanDreaming]

Originally Posted by WHIRLYBIRD

Thanks for the hug and advice about the ACV. I'll do the search for
"the mother" one and see what comes up. Are you talking about the Braggs brand? If so, that's the one I have. It's organic.
But I'll still do the search just in case.

Yes, it is Bragg's. If you don't down it in one gulp, use a straw to save your teeth.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by OceanDreaming

I got some of the Nalley (sp?) brand garlic dill that were really good but when I ran out, the store I was in didn't have any so I got the generic brand. Both do the trick nicely. I got Vlassic (or was it Klaussen's?) once and after eating half of them I noticed that they had added sugar in them which really ticked me off. Anyhow, the jar says 0 calories, 0 carbs for a serving but I know there are some calories and carbs in there. But they do the trick when I'm really hungry and want something to munch on.

thanks, Ocean Dreaming. Last time I looked, it was hard to find any not high in sodium or sugar but I'm gonna take another look as they keep adding stuff all the time. Also, I love to use those little mild sliced "nacho" jalopenos. (Sorry, gang, no "tilde" in this font for the n) they have more sodium than I want so I usually rinse them in clear water and dry on a paper towel before use.

Also, I am thinking of making my own pickled cuke slices. Older DD did that when she was home for Christmas and they were deeelicious yum.

[Quandria]

Originally Posted by WHIRLYBIRD

Thanks for the hug and advice about the ACV. I'll do the search for
"the mother" one and see what comes up. Are you talking about the Braggs brand? If so, that's the one I have. It's organic.
But I'll still do the search just in case.

My Bragg's label says "with the mother" or something like that on the label. I too have wondered if it can go bad over time.

[shunsweets]

Just checking in. All is well here. It's DD and I had a little more than I usually do but still well below the 300 I'm allowed.

Maizen My weekly fasts are just like yours. I call them a coffee fast as I need my 2 mugs of coffee in the morning and use an ounce of CC milk in each mug. So my fast days are really 50 cals - close enough I'm not giving up my coffee! The only time I've done just water was at a retreat in my 30's where we did a 48 water fast but I wasn't a coffee drinker yet then! Now I keep the coffee in.

Retro thanks for the "history". It's a fun read just from a social aspect - neat!

Caramel so glad the b'day was fun. What willpower to buy slices of cake! I always buy the tiny carvel icecream cake that we can just get 6 slices out of. I don't eat it but I don't want it in the house either so once the family is served - it's gone. I don't have a problem with sweets as I know I simply can't have them but cream cheese, whipped cream, and nuts can still do me in!

Quandria Happy birthday. Glad your vacation went so well.

Ocean Do you mix that ACV in water or just take it straight?

HiEmandm, jgw, No sugar, Whirly, Zer, Wallaby, Skeweeka , Kisha I'm enjoying everyone's posts and tweaks.

Very heavy work schedule right now so I may not be posting much but I will read daily and write if I ever have a true insight to share (not a frequent occurrence I admit!). I'm focusing on the health benefits of alternate day fasting/IF rather than weight loss so sometimes I'm a bit out of the loop but I am convinced it is very healthy and beneficial so keep it going everybody!

[Quandria]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

Quandria, you are a smart mom--and I know it cant be easy to do this, especially with a 13YO boy because they start wanting to be independent at that age, and dont like to be told what to do!

I think it is SCANDALOUS the crap that our kids are offered at school. What an irony--the very place suppose to educate them to lead useful healthy lives as citizens and leaders of the future, is feeding them poison!

I wonder what the actual cost of childhood obesity will be to the taxpayers of this country in a few years--especially when young kids are now actually developing type 2 and HBP and all the other ills that go along with obesity. And being put on statins! My god, imagine the inflammatory diseases like asthma and arthritis, the need for bypass surgery, hip and knee replacement surgery, angioplasty, the list goes on and on and it is scary.

The Chinese (or Al Quaeda) will never have to send a soldier to our shores--all they have to do is wait until we bankrupt our society to take care of a gigantic moral, public health, and economic problem which is now being ignored in order to support the grain lobby. What a pity--greed still rules supreme.

Thanks Maizen - not sure it's great parenting, I think I got lucky and blessed with a truly terrific, happy, easy-going kid.

Yes, I agree completely about the school lunches being terrible. They have pizza as an option every day, and except for one time they ran out when he was in 3rd grade I think that's what he's chosen every day. There are worse things out there, so I'm not complaining. He's a good kid, and really doesn't seem to mind that it's Ezekiel bread at my house instead of white bread, and that there's no meat except fish and seafood. We both really like spicy food and buy lots of boxed spice mixes from the Indian/Pakistani grocery store and odd foods from the Asian market and experiment. He gets way more vegetables that way than he would ever imagine

I do think the message about not eating processed foods is getting-through somewhat to the general population. Still, there's a huge learning curve in trying to eat healthy. And I can see how so many people just don't want to deal with it at all, or make an effort only to inadvertently sabotage their result by adding a sauce or dressing or side dish with a healthy label and horrifying content.

[OceanDreaming]

Originally Posted by shunsweets

Just checking in. All is well here. It's DD and I had a little more than I usually do but still well below the 300 I'm allowed.

Maizen My weekly fasts are just like yours. I call them a coffee fast as I need my 2 mugs of coffee in the morning and use an ounce of CC milk in each mug. So my fast days are really 50 cals - close enough I'm not giving up my coffee! The only time I've done just water was at a retreat in my 30's where we did a 48 water fast but I wasn't a coffee drinker yet then! Now I keep the coffee in.

Retro thanks for the "history". It's a fun read just from a social aspect - neat!

Caramel so glad the b'day was fun. What willpower to buy slices of cake! I always buy the tiny carvel icecream cake that we can just get 6 slices out of. I don't eat it but I don't want it in the house either so once the family is served - it's gone. I don't have a problem with sweets as I know I simply can't have them but cream cheese, whipped cream, and nuts can still do me in!

Quandria Happy birthday. Glad your vacation went so well.

Ocean Do you mix that ACV in water or just take it straight?

HiEmandm, jgw, No sugar, Whirly, Zer, Wallaby, Skeweeka , Kisha I'm enjoying everyone's posts and tweaks.

Very heavy work schedule right now so I may not be posting much but I will read daily and write if I ever have a true insight to share (not a frequent occurrence I admit!). I'm focusing on the health benefits of alternate day fasting/IF rather than weight loss so sometimes I'm a bit out of the loop but I am convinced it is very healthy and beneficial so keep it going everybody!

Straight. But I am an oddball as I like to drink pickle juice and eat straight lemons and/or drink straight lemon juice.

[OceanDreaming]

Originally Posted by Quandria

My Bragg's label says "with the mother" or something like that on the label. I too have wondered if it can go bad over time.

My bottle doesn't expire until 2013.

[Ilpirata]

SO its UD today.
and for some reason I've just been looking forward to my DD tomorrow !?!?! Weird right?

I'm planning to do an IF tweak. I will hopefully just eat one meal after work (probably three scrambled eggs cooked in pam with spices)

Why am I really LOOKING FORWARD to not eating? odd.

[OceanDreaming]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

thanks, Ocean Dreaming. Last time I looked, it was hard to find any not high in sodium or sugar but I'm gonna take another look as they keep adding stuff all the time. Also, I love to use those little mild sliced "nacho" jalopenos. (Sorry, gang, no "tilde" in this font for the n) they have more sodium than I want so I usually rinse them in clear water and dry on a paper towel before use.

Also, I am thinking of making my own pickled cuke slices. Older DD did that when she was home for Christmas and they were deeelicious yum.

Homemade pickles are the BEST! I really should learn to do that. I had some pickled green beans that someone once brought in to work and I was in love. Better than pickles to me.

Yes, pickles are definitely high in the sodium category but fortunately I don't have a problem with salt/sodium.

[skeeweeaka]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

I didnt see it but on TV ( the Discovery Health channel I think) I saw re-runs of the Fattest Man In The World and HalfTon Dad and Half Ton Teeneager and my heart aches for all of them. but like someone said in another thread, those who were bedridden because of obesity had SOMEONE bringing them all thaat food. SOMEBODY WAS BEING AN ENABLER or they couldnt have gotten all that food after they began showing signs of severely damaged health.

I saw that one of those men was eating THIRTY THOUSAND CALORIES PER DAY? I AM ASTONISHED THAT THAT IS HUMANLY POSSIBLE?

TJ, do you agree with the interventionist that there was some reason to think these kids had "anger" problems? I think a lot of over-eating is emotional to at least some extent, but that question doesnt allow for kids who come from families where they have just fallen automatically (Fast Food on every corner) into bad habits and/or because of a total lack of nutritional knowledge in their family.?

We live in a little mountain town in north Georgia where there is still an amazing amount of ignorance about nutrition and the causes of over-weight. And while I am overweight, there are many unfortunate souls around her who are truly morbidly obese. And this is NOT because our population is just stupid or uncaring either.

All the time I see people at our supermarket and Wally buying stuff that is "low-fat" and of course, loaded with crap: mainly carbs and chemicals. And the great cry of our nation is still: "DOWN WITH FAT. calories in, calories out." Nothing against WeightWatchers, but I know MANY women in our town who go there and I dont see them keeping it off for very long even after they starve to lose it.

There is so much mis-information out there and people are so trusting. if you are an MD or a "certified nutritionist" and tell someone to eat lots of healthy carbs like whole grain cereal and bread and rice and pasta, they are going to think you are giving them the gospel truth and have no way of knowing this probably wont work for them in the long run. (There are always exceptions and I dont deny that.)

And look how many people on The Biggest Loser have had trouble maintaining after they have almost killed themselves to succeed at their programs. Remember Eric, the sweet guy who won a year or two ago and then gained so much of it back? I always cringe when I see what these "TV experts preach" because in the real world, it just doesnt work.

Hey Maize,

It was an interesting show. I don't necessarily believe that is how they became morbidly obese...because they are angry...most of them but some of them quite possibly! The focus was on starting a dialogue between the parents and the children. I agree someone has to be ALLOWING them to consume those huge amounts of food and so there is some enabling going on. That said, I think society, as you said, is so entrenched in the low fat dogma and getting in so many carbs, etc., that unfortunately some of us are set up for failure before we even know it!

Honestly, though most of the children were angry at their parents, themselves, their peers, their teachers, etc., because they are so ostracized and simply don't fit in! There were difficult moments, and I'm sure some of them or all of them are emotional eaters. I am an emotional eater and I believe that Oprah is an emotional eater. You could tell that she was very upset about it, as I said I wept through most of it.

They did have the guy on that wrote the book Eat This, Not That which was interesting. He did give them a short lesson in reading labels and making good choices. Dr. Oz obviously emphasized the importance of exercise, simply walking and how much that can do for one's self-esteem.

They also discussed school lunches and how PACKING is a good idea. My dd packs every day and I also pack her a snack...usually fruit...


Retro...such great information! Girl I'm loving you, I will be reading for a long time. This looks fascinating... Thanks a bunch!!!

Quandria...yes I heard about the cholesterol lowering drugs for kids as well! Big Pharma out to make more billions when yes it can be controlled with diet...heavy sigh...makes me angry!!!

Whirly...Bragg's is the one with THE MOTHER LOL... Put it in 1/2 cup of warm water and add a pinch of soda and drink with a straw...goes down much easier!!!


Well UD done! My window lasted longer than I wanted it to because I wanted to get in 3 meals and was waiting on my dd so we could eat together... Feeling fine, not stuffed, JUST RIGHT! Even got my water and supplements in today!

Have a great evening all...gotta watch Idol with my dd!

TJ

[wallaby]

Finally reached home after driving in bad snow and ice tonite. I was so ready to eat when I got home (stress), but didn't have an appetite. Even had a glass of wine, but I'm still just not that hungry and don't think I've eaten enough calories to balance out the DD I had yesterday. But hey, I"m not going to fight it, I'm really trying to listen to my body and not eat when I'm not hungry. Finally, I actually GET how some people are able to just say - "no, I"m not hungry, I'll pass on the cake."

One thing I've been really working on lately is trying to just BE a woman who has a healthy weight. Not just someone who is TRYING to get there. For example, I've often admired and longed to be like my European cousins who seem to survive on nothing more than a morning coffee and a few small portions of wonderful, decadant food. I swear, for DECADES now I have been thinking that I have to lose weight first before I can start living like that - living like a thin person. Instead I have been relentlessly engaging in these dietary gyrations that inevitably leave me feeling sapped and deprived and inadequate. But slowly during these last few weeks it has dawned on - through THIS WOE - that I can just eat and live like a thin person right now! I don't have to wait. Eventually, my body will catch up and get with the program and maybe, just maybe, I will reach a weight that's a little more comfortable. In the meantime, I don't have to wait to feel like I'm healthy and fabulous.

(yeah, my long commute gives me plenty of time to think!)

[wallaby]

I love anything pickled - you all have me craving a good homemade sweet pickle. But since I don't have any, it will have to wait.

I'm going to try the vinegar for appetite suppression, my former trick - garlic sauce! - just doesn't have the same appeal at the moment.

[jgw]

Originally Posted by wallaby

Finally reached home after driving in bad snow and ice tonite. I was so ready to eat when I got home (stress), but didn't have an appetite. Even had a glass of wine, but I'm still just not that hungry and don't think I've eaten enough calories to balance out the DD I had yesterday. But hey, I"m not going to fight it, I'm really trying to listen to my body and not eat when I'm not hungry. Finally, I actually GET how some people are able to just say - "no, I"m not hungry, I'll pass on the cake."

One thing I've been really working on lately is trying to just BE a woman who has a healthy weight. Not just someone who is TRYING to get there. For example, I've often admired and longed to be like my European cousins who seem to survive on nothing more than a morning coffee and a few small portions of wonderful, decadant food. I swear, for DECADES now I have been thinking that I have to lose weight first before I can start living like that - living like a thin person. Instead I have been relentlessly engaging in these dietary gyrations that inevitably leave me feeling sapped and deprived and inadequate. But slowly during these last few weeks it has dawned on - through THIS WOE - that I can just eat and live like a thin person right now! I don't have to wait. Eventually, my body will catch up and get with the program and maybe, just maybe, I will reach a weight that's a little more comfortable. In the meantime, I don't have to wait to feel like I'm healthy and fabulous.

(yeah, my long commute gives me plenty of time to think!)

This is so wonderful, yes we can eat like a thin person now, not when we get thin. I usually feel so ashamed of myself and felt everyone looked down on me. Today I walked with confidence and I love this feeling. We can have it all right now!
Later!

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by wallaby

Finally reached home after driving in bad snow and ice tonite. I was so ready to eat when I got home (stress), but didn't have an appetite. Even had a glass of wine, but I'm still just not that hungry and don't think I've eaten enough calories to balance out the DD I had yesterday. But hey, I"m not going to fight it, I'm really trying to listen to my body and not eat when I'm not hungry. Finally, I actually GET how some people are able to just say - "no, I"m not hungry, I'll pass on the cake."

One thing I've been really working on lately is trying to just BE a woman who has a healthy weight. Not just someone who is TRYING to get there. For example, I've often admired and longed to be like my European cousins who seem to survive on nothing more than a morning coffee and a few small portions of wonderful, decadant food. I swear, for DECADES now I have been thinking that I have to lose weight first before I can start living like that - living like a thin person. Instead I have been relentlessly engaging in these dietary gyrations that inevitably leave me feeling sapped and deprived and inadequate. But slowly during these last few weeks it has dawned on - through THIS WOE - that I can just eat and live like a thin person right now! I don't have to wait. Eventually, my body will catch up and get with the program and maybe, just maybe, I will reach a weight that's a little more comfortable. In the meantime, I don't have to wait to feel like I'm healthy and fabulous.

(yeah, my long commute gives me plenty of time to think!)

wallaby I am so glad you got home safely--I remember all too well those snowy, icey roads. And I SO sympathize with you about thin relatives. Both of our DDs are tall and slim and eat pretty much whatever they want including a couple glasses of wine each evening. But they also both walk everywhere they can and the younger one works out at the gym in her apartment building. The older one walked (5 days a week) to and from her school unless it was absolutely bitter--a 3 mile round trip. The younger one was walking daily to the train--a three and a half mile round trip. Good grief! We went to Norway together a year ago this summer and I was like a fat little short puppy dog waddling along to keep up with them. NOT fun although they were patient and supportive and always helpful (except for that damned steep hill they dragged me UP in Bergen )

I'd love to reach 130 again (I am 5'6") but know I never will, so would be OK with the 150's and thrilled with anything less than that( but I am not counting on it.) So you are right, we have to accept reality and learn to love our imperfect selves even though "the ideal American woman" is constantly shoved down our throats on TV and in magazines, and we all know what SHE looks like!) Gee, I'd love to carry a magic airbrush around with me to "disappear" all my unwanted fat and wrinkles.

Your post made me stop and think about some important things you said: oh, yes, we do have to love ourselves just as we are right this minute: RIGHT NOW is all we've got. Nothing comes with a guarantee but the PRESENT. So let's not wait until "later" to appreciate ourselves in all our imperfect glory!

Most important for me , my family loves me as I am (and so does my cat and our dog ) and so I guess I will just concentrate on that and count my many blessings. And along the way, follow a sensible, enjoyable eating plan for better health and some weight loss as a bonus.. ( I think a lot of you do that, too... Sally)