JUDDD TWEAKERS, FAST 5-ers, & WATER FASTERS

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by WHIRLYBIRD

I wonder if Caramel is in sugar coma after eating her piece of birthday cake. I'm so gonna eat a big 'ol piece of cake on my birthday! I can't wait! Too bad it's 11 months away...

And by then (December?) you will SO HAVE REACHED GOAL AND BEYOND! Mine is in June and I want to get to goal by then--I know I can do it if I believe and if I just continue to have these really inspiring DownnDays like the past two have been.

I am signing off for now. May we all wake up tomorrow with fresh commitment and the sun in our hearts.

[jgw]

Originally Posted by wallaby

I finally remembered the trick for sore muscles which is also going to work for keeping me warm on DDs: fill a sock with rice, heat in microwave for 2-3 minutes. It gets very hot and stays hot for awhile. just pop it back in for a couple minutes when it loses warmth.
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As for my DD, well I made it, mostly. Except for that bread slip up, it was all water (and tea and coffee!) . Tomorrow is an UD and I'm not really looking forward to it to be honest.

Time for bed - with my rice sock!

Great idea!

[caramel]

Hello, or should I say goodnight,

The slice of chocolate cake I had was 230 calories, a little bitty ole thing but boy was it good, my icecream was 300 so my days total was 2100 I was all worried I would gorge today but I am satisfied no more cake and icecream in the house and tommorow is a wf. So Whirlybird its you and me tommorow lady, stay strong.

Hope you all had a wonderful day goodnight

To Maizen and the rest of the crew sweet dreams

[wallaby]

Just when I FINALLY get warm - it's time to get up! I was hoping to see some evidence on the scale this morning of yesterday's WF, but so far nothing. Might try WF again tomorrow on my DD.

Janice - sounds like you got through the WF day just fine!

Good work Caramel on having a great birthday UD. I don't think I have that sort of self control. YET.

Have a great day all - i"m in meetings most of the day. Will check in tonite. (though I MIGHT pop in sometime in the afternoon if I get an unwarranted food craving.)

[Zer]

Buying slices of cake and a pint of ice cream to share all around is BRILLIANT as a way of accommodating kids who think that ANY BIRTHDAY calls for cake and ice cream. How smart to buy portions that are sized to suit your LC plan!

For me, no leftovers is just about the only safe LC plan. Leftovers tempt me!

I shall remember this move, when I am faced with a situation that demands a carby traditional menu. Buying portions. Small portions. Great solution!

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Zer

Buying slices of cake and a pint of ice cream to share all around is BRILLIANT as a way of accommodating kids who think that ANY BIRTHDAY calls for cake and ice cream. How smart to buy portions that are sized to suit your LC plan!

For me, no leftovers is just about the only safe LC plan. Leftovers tempt me!

I shall remember this move, when I am faced with a situation that demands a carby traditional menu. Buying portions. Small portions. Great solution!

Me too, Zer. you know, I just cant get over this thing she (Caramel) did about the cake. And you're so right about extending it to other aspects of a carby meal.

Wallaby, our niece made us each a rice-filled pillow to heat in micro for Christmas and they are a very useful thing. DH has restless leg syndrome sometimes and it helps with that as well as being a nice bed-warmer. ( My feet dont get cold at night--my cat Sweetie Pie usually sleeps on them. )

Yesterday was an UPDAY and I stuck pretty much to low carb (coffee +half and half, and eggs early, and little steak and salad last night) . but didnt get enough calories so I have to get those calories back up on UD's if I am going to go for an almost-fast on DD's. But the thing is, I am almost never very hungry now, ever, and I think my stomach must have shrunk because I get full fast. (Of course, water fills you up really quick so that helps too)

I think I will go on with my AWF (Almost Water Fast) today.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by wallaby

Just when I FINALLY get warm - it's time to get up! I was hoping to see some evidence on the scale this morning of yesterday's WF, but so far nothing. Might try WF again tomorrow on my DD.

Janice - sounds like you got through the WF day just fine!

Good work Caramel on having a great birthday UD. I don't think I have that sort of self control. YET.

Have a great day all - i"m in meetings most of the day. Will check in tonite. (though I MIGHT pop in sometime in the afternoon if I get an unwarranted food craving.)

wallaby, what kind of eating do you do on your UD? Are you getting plenty of calories? If you dont, your bod may go into a protective starvation mode where it hangs onto fat. And if any of your food was very carby or high in sodium, you could just be seeing water retention. You go have a good day--and try to stay warm!

I've been reading more on some of the links Ragdoll gave about the benefits of various kinds of alternate fasting resulting in overall "caloric restriction" . (Really worth going back and reading up on IF whenever we need a reason to go on with this kind of eating.) And it definitely has a number of important health benefits totally aside from weight loss.

So on days (or weeks) when we dont think anything good is happening because the weightloss is slow or not there at all, we need to keep in mind that our metabolism/whole body system is really getting some important help in staying healthy (or getting healthier) when we cut overall calories.

My guess is that even "Whirley's" darling friend Selena probably did not lose weight every single fasting day, even when fasting faithfully on DD's.

(And there is always the way that exercise affects us--I am not doing any right now because my sciatic nerve is still sulking.)

[NoSugarShell]

Good Morning!

Well, I am .2 down from my low so far which means I am at 127.6. Yea! I wasn't very hungry yesterday at all.

I really love this WOE. Before Fast Five I was obsessed with breakfast, lunch, and dinner and then snacks in between. Now, I have time for other things.

I do think if I cut out some of the carbs that I would lose a little faster so something to think about.

Anyway, it's a cold and wet day here in Texas today. I was actually hoping it would be cold enough to ice and we would get to stay home. That didn't happen so here I am at work.

I will check in later.

Michelle

[jgw]

I'm happy to report that I am down another pound this morning! Ya! I think I would be a little lighter but it's that time of month! So 1 pound is great!

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by jgw

I'm happy to report that I am down another pound this morning! Ya! I think I would be a little lighter but it's that time of month! So 1 pound is great!

YOu are down a pound and it is TOM? That is a victory--and you need to claim it!

[jgw]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

YOu are down a pound and it is TOM? That is a victory--and you need to claim it!

I'm claimng it, I'm claiming it!

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by NoSugarShell

Good Morning!

Well, I am .2 down from my low so far which means I am at 127.6. Yea! I wasn't very hungry yesterday at all.

I really love this WOE. Before Fast Five I was obsessed with breakfast, lunch, and dinner and then snacks in between. Now, I have time for other things.

I do think if I cut out some of the carbs that I would lose a little faster so something to think about.

Anyway, it's a cold and wet day here in Texas today. I was actually hoping it would be cold enough to ice and we would get to stay home. That didn't happen so here I am at work.

I will check in later.

Michelle

NSS, I think this is really worth quoting again! And I think you hit on why this plan is so helpful to those of us who have been hung up on thoughts of food for most of our lives--like me--.

And ordinary "diets" have you constantly listing and planning and thinking about what you must eat and must not eat and how long until you eat again, etc etc. I really think a lot of these plans lead to food obsession, but IF doesnt because it is so simple. Especially FF--you just pick your window and that's it. A lot of people with kids still at home (or a hubby who "hovers" over your food choices) find that FF works great for them because they get to have a regular dinner meal with family. And that kind of schedule works fine for "dinners out" too.

You are HYPOTHYROID and you are still able to lose weight using Fast Five ?! That is so impressive! I think that hypothroid must be just about the hardest health complication to deal with when it comes to weight loss and
I applaud you for sticking with it and not giving up. You are SO POSITIVE--we are really glad you are here!

[jgw]

Bluebabe it's my up day today. I started my day with some 1 slice of high fiber toast and peanut butter with SF jam. Yum!
Coffee of course.
Jen how's you day coming?
Caramel best wishes today on your WF!
Michelle great job!
Skeeweeaka, Zer, Wallaby have a great day!

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by caramel

Hello, or should I say goodnight,

The slice of chocolate cake I had was 230 calories, a little bitty ole thing but boy was it good, my icecream was 300 so my days total was 2100 I was all worried I would gorge today but I am satisfied no more cake and icecream in the house and tommorow is a wf. So Whirlybird its you and me tommorow lady, stay strong.

Hope you all had a wonderful day goodnight

To Maizen and the rest of the crew sweet dreams

Caramel, I am looking at your totals and thinking how great you did! Especially as it was a feast day. And how smart you are to schedule a DD as a WF for right after so that you get right back on track immediately and dont go up on the scale and get discouraged.

Today will be a MWF for me (Mostly Water Fast) as I am having some cream in my coffee, but the rest of the day will be water or plain tea. (I am thinking that after today, I will go back to just a plain DD for the rest of the week with some solids but very low cal.)

[EmandM]

Hi ladies,

Everyone is doing so well!

Yep, Maizenbluebabe hit the nail on the head with the whole freedom from obsession thing. I tend to have all-or-nothing thinking when it comes to food and dieting. I think that is part of my personality but also stems from all the rules that diets have, like you stated before. When I was following CAD one meal, if I ever had carbs outside of the one-hour window, then I felt like I had blown it and I would binge that day and start again tomorrow. With JUDDD tweaks or no tweaks, the rules are so easy and don't feel like rules. It really suits my personality. I am someone who needs structure and rules, and yet I rebel against them! Hmmmmm, analyse that! lol

Today is DD for me. Doing well so far. Had my coffee and am off to have my green tea.

[NoSugarShell]

Maizenbluebabe - Thank you so much for the words of encouragement. It has been such a struggle to lose weight with hypo that I am in complete awe that I have lost this weight so effortlessly when I was trying soooo hard before. There is definelty something to this. My husband has lost 10 pounds doing a VERY relaxed version of Fast Five. Let's just say is window is a lot bigger...lol.

Anyway, I will list some of the benefits I have seen since starting this WOE on 01/02.

Not constantly hungry
Not obsessed with food
Weight loss (7 lbs so far)
Increased energy
Acne gone! (I have always struggled with this)
Mental clarity (most of the time)
Blood Sugar is more stable
Less water retention
PMS less severe (at least this past month) Hubby was happy!

I am sure there are more but that is all I can think of off the top of my head.

The only problem I have had is that I have more joint pain for some reason but I haven't really figured out why yet. It could be the weather.

I am still waiting for the ice to hit and maybe we can go home.....

Michelle

[wallaby]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

Wallaby, our niece made us each a rice-filled pillow to heat in micro for Christmas and they are a very useful thing.

I just logged on to say that I tried to heat my little rice bag up in the microwave here at work and started a fire! LOL. Smells like burnt rice. I will not live this one down (I'm always doing something slightly ditzy here.)

As for eating, I had a big UD on Sunday - and my overall weekly average for daily calories is about 1100. If this continues to stall, I'll up the cals on UD and see what happens. I'm wondering if the few days that I ended up with "moderate" intake - about 1200 per day - sort of screwed things up with not enough variation in the DD and UD.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by EmandM

Hi ladies,

Everyone is doing so well!

Yep, Maizenbluebabe hit the nail on the head with the whole freedom from obsession thing. I tend to have all-or-nothing thinking when it comes to food and dieting. I think that is part of my personality but also stems from all the rules that diets have, like you stated before. When I was following CAD one meal, if I ever had carbs outside of the one-hour window, then I felt like I had blown it and I would binge that day and start again tomorrow. With JUDDD tweaks or no tweaks, the rules are so easy and don't feel like rules. It really suits my personality. 'I am someone who needs structure and rules, and yet I rebel against them! Hmmmmm, analyse that! lol

Today is DD for me. Doing well so far. Had my coffee and am off to have my green tea.

whoa EmandM--"I am someone who needs structure and rules, and yet I rebel against them."...this SO describes me. All my life I have wanted to follow the rules, but always in my own way ! that probably explains why I thought it was a good idea to start an alternative thread for people like us who like to color outside the lines. And my reaction to other plans has been like yours Em&M, I would get bogged down in details and flub it and then figure, "oh, wotthehell, the plan is ruined anyhow, I might as well scarf down 3 do-nuts and 2 bowls of ice cream."

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by NoSugarShell

- ... It has been such a struggle to lose weight with hypo that I am in complete awe that I have lost this weight so effortlessly when I was trying soooo hard before. There is definelty something to this. ...

Anyway, I will list some of the benefits I have seen since starting this WOE on 01/02.

Not constantly hungry
Not obsessed with food
Weight loss (7 lbs so far)
Increased energy
Acne gone! (I have always struggled with this)
Mental clarity (most of the time)
Blood Sugar is more stable
Less water retention
PMS less severe (at least this past month) Hubby was happy!

I am sure there are more but that is all I can think of off the top of my head.

The only problem I have had is that I have more joint pain for some reason but I haven't really figured out why yet. It could be the weather.

I am still waiting for the ice to hit and maybe we can go home.....

Michelle

MIchelle, if it's cold and rainy/icey and damp there in your part of the world, it could sure cause to you feel feeling stiff and achey in your joints. But also, if you take in any grains at all or simple sugars on your UD's it might also be making a contribution. Some people are very sensitive to them in terms of inflammatory reactions.

As for the PMS, I told my Gyn one time that my husband had a bad case of PMS . Miraculously, when the doc put me on a mild diuretic to take pre-TOM, it cured my husband's PMS .

[Ilpirata]

As for eating, I had a big UD on Sunday - and my overall weekly average for daily calories is about 1100. If this continues to stall, I'll up the cals on UD and see what happens. I'm wondering if the few days that I ended up with "moderate" intake - about 1200 per day - sort of screwed things up with not enough variation in the DD and UD.

I think this might be a problem. I noticed on the other thread that some of us have had no success incorporating MDs. MDs I think are best used only in emergencies... such as when a DD gets out of hand. I think it is important to really eat enough on UD to create the variation and keep the metabolism going.

I'm a little concerned to see people undereating on UD and then fasting on DD. I know this is a tweak thread but I thought the basic principals of JUDD - meaning the principal of UD followed by DD followed by UD followed by DD etc. would still be followed. Fast Day followed by Low/Moderate Day followed by Fast Day followed by Low/Moderate Day is not JUDD... and seems to totally work against JUDDs principals.

Well, kick me out of the thread if you need to but its a disturbing trend and I think it will negatively impact people's results as well.

[WHIRLYBIRD]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

I think this might be a problem. I noticed on the other thread that some of us have had no success incorporating MDs. MDs I think are best used only in emergencies... such as when a DD gets out of hand. I think it is important to really eat enough on UD to create the variation and keep the metabolism going.

I'm a little concerned to see people undereating on UD and then fasting on DD. I know this is a tweak thread but I thought the basic principals of JUDD - meaning the principal of UD followed by DD followed by UD followed by DD etc. would still be followed. Fast Day followed by Low/Moderate Day followed by Fast Day followed by Low/Moderate Day is not JUDD... and seems to totally work against JUDDs principals.

Well, kick me out of the thread if you need to but its a disturbing trend and I think it will negatively impact people's results as well.

That's why we aren't on the regular JUDDDD forum, we are tweakers here. There's no one here that is an "Expert" on this diet so we are just doing what works best for us. Please keep that in mind!
Having an average of 1100 calories per day is not starvation. Do you have science to back your concern up? There's plenty of science to back up calories restriction diets leading to longer life spans. Dr. Johnson speaks of that too in his book. Basically, that's what his whole book is about!
Have you noticed that some people are incorporating more than one diet plan? Hence the name of the thread??
No rigid diet plans here, no no.

[Quandria]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

I think this might be a problem. I noticed on the other thread that some of us have had no success incorporating MDs. MDs I think are best used only in emergencies... such as when a DD gets out of hand. I think it is important to really eat enough on UD to create the variation and keep the metabolism going.

I'm a little concerned to see people undereating on UD and then fasting on DD. I know this is a tweak thread but I thought the basic principals of JUDD - meaning the principal of UD followed by DD followed by UD followed by DD etc. would still be followed. Fast Day followed by Low/Moderate Day followed by Fast Day followed by Low/Moderate Day is not JUDD... and seems to totally work against JUDDs principals.

Well, kick me out of the thread if you need to but its a disturbing trend and I think it will negatively impact people's results as well.

Very well said. Mid days don't really work for me, although I tried and tried to figure out a way to make Sundays a mid day so I could keep my M-W-F down days on track. And for me, I have to keep my up day calories high enough or I don't get good results. Now I have my down days set, making one of them a water fast (water & unsweetened tea, usually Mondays) and for me Sunday is an up day with only healthy foods (eat as much as I want of fruits and veggies, making sure I have enough good protein - eggs and seafood for me - so I'm not hungry going into the Monday water fast).

There is definitely tweaking required to find a plan that works for the individual; and I do know people who swear by double-down-days or water fasts longer than one day. But I agree with you Ilpirata that this type of thing does, in my mind, go against the logic of the plan.

And I think it would be a sad thing if people were hesitant to voice their opinions here - in a constructive manner - as you have above.

[maizenbluebabe]

KIsha, thanks for sharing your concerns, but there is no need to be so dramatic as no one is going to "kick you out of this thread" at all. That's not what WE are about. And I am sure you mean well. So we appreciate other outlooks like yours just as long as it doesnt confuse or discourage anyone.

You sound a bit frustrated about some of our experiments. But just remember, we are here because we are TWEAKERS! And that means we are all going to fool around a little bit with the "rules " and that will naturally include customizing JUDDD or any other plan to suit ourselves.

And also, keep in mind that the freedom to say whatever we want about what we are doing with complete HONESTY--and be supported by the other members, is one of the uniquely valuable things about this thread and is why many of us are here now rather than at other threads.

I doubt you will find very many peeps who will descend into Health Hell because of what we are discussing here.

[Quandria]

Well I'm back from vacation; didn't do TOO much damage; about 5 pounds in two weeks.

I'll be starting with a down day on Wednesday. Not sure what today is going to end up being; so far not very hungry.

Thanks Maizen, I love the new thread - this is really fantastic!!

And a big hello to everyone I haven't met yet

Caramel! Mine was yesterday too, and my BF brought home a whole cake, but I managed to just have one slice. He's a big sugar addict so I have all the faith in the world that he will be able to finish off the rest without my assistance! Next year I'm following your advice and making sure he buys it in slices!!

Okay - back to work. Happy Alternating and Window Opening and Water Sipping everyone

[maizenbluebabe]

One of the reasons the members enjoy this thread is is that we all feel free to discuss whatever we want in a POSITIVE way and dont try to proselytize anyone. And if Quandria and Kisha want to come here and share with us what is working wonderfully well with them, helping them lose successfully and keep it off. They are more than welcome here and we will treat them with respect just as we expect them to treat us--and our ideas-- with respect. .

But let's not get sidetracked with nit-picking what each other is doing, And let's just go on with what works for each of us and enjoy being together and supporting each other on this journey.

And Quandria and Kisha, the people here who are trying unusual (in your eyes) approaches to various forms of IF are not going to persist in something if it isnt working so please dont be so worried about them ruining their health and please have faith that none of us are retarded (at least that we know of .

But feel free jump in and have fun like the rest of us are doing! But please realize--and show an awareness of this in the thoughts you share--that the uninvited "concern" about not following rigid rules is why we are here in the first place. We wanted a place where we could say whatever we want without first having to apologize or explain or justify or give an acceptable title to what we are doing to the satisfaction of some self-appointed JUDDD censor.

[Ilpirata]

Having an average of 1100 calories per day is not starvation. Do you have science to back your concern up? There's plenty of science to back up calories restriction diets leading to longer life spans. Dr. Johnson speaks of that too in his book. Basically, that's what his whole book is about!
Have you noticed that some people are incorporating more than one diet plan? Hence the name of the thread??
No rigid diet plans here, no no.

I wasn't looking to get into a scientific debate. Yes of course there are many many scientific studies showing that 1200 calories per day is the suggested minimum. All I was doing was expressing concern. Not looking to debate the merits or insult anyones WOE. Of course everyone is entititled to follow whatever WOE they think is best. I absolutely support this idea. I just felt moved to express my concern.

There is definitely tweaking required to find a plan that works for the individual; and I do know people who swear by double-down-days or water fasts longer than one day. But I agree with you Ilpirata that this type of thing does, in my mind, go against the logic of the plan.

This is all i was trying to do. Everyone find their own plan. I guess my question is... at what point is a WOE tweaked so far that it no longer resembles the original WOE. If the basic principal of JUDD is UD DD UD DD then doesn't it follow that MD FD MD FD is no longer JUDD at all? And yes of course this thread is JUDD TWEAKED... But Tweaked into what? MD FD MD FD isn't JUDD. Its simply intermittent fasting.

Like I said though i'm really NOT trying to be antagonistic. I absolutely support everyones right to their own WOE. I just wanted to express my concern.

[WHIRLYBIRD]

Good Morning!!
Well, we have really cold weather here this morning in North Texas so I'm sending my DH out to do the errands today instead of going myself. He can handle the cold better than I can.
I haven't even had a chance to start on cleaning my closet today. Our business phones have been ringing all morning. That's a good thing, I'm not complaining at all!!
Today is a total WF day for me. I was going to make a cup of coffee and decided to try to do without it for one day and see what happens. Hopefully I won't get that awful caffeine headache.

Maiszenbluebabe, good luck today with your MD. I hope it turns out well for you.
Caramel, we will triumph today with our WF!!! I'll be thinking about you today and sending lots of good vibes your way.

Anybody else I missed doing a WF today? If so, good luck to you too.
We can do this! Consider it house cleaning for the body and soul.

Off to do more work. Lots of loose ends to take care of this morning.

Talk to you soon,
Jen

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by WHIRLYBIRD

That's why we aren't on the regular JUDDDD forum, we are tweakers here. There's no one here that is an "Expert" on this diet so we are just doing what works best for us. Please keep that in mind!
Having an average of 1100 calories per day is not starvation. Do you have science to back your concern up? There's plenty of science to back up calories restriction diets leading to longer life spans. Dr. Johnson speaks of that too in his book. Basically, that's what his whole book is about!
Have you noticed that some people are incorporating more than one diet plan? Hence the name of the thread??
No rigid diet plans here, no no.

Whirly:

May I just say that I seem to see a pattern of response from you that is a touch defensive and a bit more "aggressive" than has been warranted by some of the thoughtful and measured comments of others on these threads? If you could ratchet back just a little I think your responses would be a little less jarring and a little more in keeping with the spirit and tone of others on the thread.

[WHIRLYBIRD]

Originally Posted by Quandria

Well I'm back from vacation; didn't do TOO much damage; about 5 pounds in two weeks.

I'll be starting with a down day on Wednesday. Not sure what today is going to end up being; so far not very hungry.

Thanks Maizen, I love the new thread - this is really fantastic!!

And a big hello to everyone I haven't met yet

Caramel! Mine was yesterday too, and my BF brought home a whole cake, but I managed to just have one slice. He's a big sugar addict so I have all the faith in the world that he will be able to finish off the rest without my assistance! Next year I'm following your advice and making sure he buys it in slices!!

Okay - back to work. Happy Alternating and Window Opening and Water Sipping everyone

Aboard! Happy belated birthday!!!

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Quandria

Well I'm back from vacation; didn't do TOO much damage; about 5 pounds in two weeks.

I'll be starting with a down day on Wednesday. Not sure what today is going to end up being; so far not very hungry.

Thanks Maizen, I love the new thread - this is really fantastic!!

And a big hello to everyone I haven't met yet

Caramel! Mine was yesterday too, and my BF brought home a whole cake, but I managed to just have one slice. He's a big sugar addict so I have all the faith in the world that he will be able to finish off the rest without my assistance! Next year I'm following your advice and making sure he buys it in slices!!

Okay - back to work. Happy Alternating and Window Opening and Water Sipping everyone

Quandria, 5 pounds in two weeks is not bad at all--it wont take long to get rid of it with the plan you are talking about.

And belated Isnt it neat that you and Caramel both share the same day! And yes, I think we are ALL going to steal her wonderful idea about individual pieces of birthday cake.