JUDDD TWEAKERS, FAST 5-ers, & WATER FASTERS

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by caramel

hello everyone,

Not trying to be cruel but retroworx I know what you mean by that statement maizenbluebabe wrote and now it made me laugh out loud. I said
to myself, now that was some mean diet

OK, Caramel, you and Retro and TJ caught me in the act!

I confess: After I wrote that about the Dead JUDDDers thread , I looked at it again and realized it could easily be taken another way by someone with a creative mind and decided to leave it because in this grim world we can all lose another laugh!

But I can tell you one thing: for Dead Judders, they looked pretty darned good. That one girl lost 50 pounds in just a few months and did it by combining LC and JUDDD and Fast-Five and she looked like a model when she reached goal!

WOW--I just realized. Wouldnt that make a fabulous name for a Rock Band--THE DEAD JUDDDERS!? I bet their first CD would go Platinum and everyone would want them on their I-Pod.

[maizenbluebabe]

Hey everyone, did you see we now have a South Beach follower (Denise) Isnt it super that we can now welcome people following all kinds of plans and not have to worry about sticking to one narrow interpretation of one single plan!

Also t is so nice to be able to admit we are trying various kinds of fasts and not have to worry about being criticized for being off-topic..

SO--this is another AWF day for me and I am really looking forward to it. Like a bunch of you already know, it is no big whoop to manage this. And I am SHRINKING! Losing more inches than pounds and just put on a pair of my Chico's jeans that are a size smaller. Yippee Skippee

[WHIRLYBIRD]

Good Morning Peeps,

Hope everyone is having a good day so far.

WOW Skeeweeaka, I so admire you to be able to make a reference to everyone who has recently posted! You are GOOD!!!
I mean well but I either get a little side tracked by reading all the posts or I forget. This is certainly something I need to work on!!
Here's a BIG Welcome to Denise! We are so glad you found our thread. It's really a lot of fun here. None of us take things too seriously and there can never be a dumb question, ever. I love it here and I hope you will too.

Maizenbluebabe, how in the world did you learn to multi quote? Did I miss the post where you said how? I need to learn to do that so I won't forget to reply to others or have 18 different posts in a row.

Wallaby, If I were you, I would make this a normal UD. Like Sally said, it's not like you totally blew it yesterday with those yummy chicken pies.
Thank God for Moms!!!! That just melted my heart when I read that.
I wish I lived closer to my parents. My Dad has always loved the way I cook. When I got married, he was upset not because he was "losing" his daughter but because he was losing his cook! Can you believe he actually said that? Oh, sweet Dad. Back in the day when I still lived at home, I could get away with murder with a homemade chocolate pie.

Today is a down day for me. For those of you who were around earlier this week and read my post about a fellow business friend wanting to fast on Thursdays for spiritual reasons (bad economic times for his business), I will be doing a complete water fast today along with some heavy duty prayer. Reading and researching fasting for spiritual reasons has made a huge impact on me. I think I might be reading the "writing on the wall" from God to do this for more reasons than just dieting. How could it be bad? It can't.
Poor DH will be joining me today. He's never done a complete water fast other than doing the Master Cleanse Diet for 10 days in a row a few years ago. I was so proud of him! What's so amazing about that diet was that after about the third day, he was having bowl movements two and three times a day as if he was eating normal meals. He was astonished how much the bowls can hold excessive waste that we aren't even aware of. Scary hugh...
Hope I didn't gross anyone out.

I'm off to start the day with a big ol mug of hot water and lemon. Might as well add in some minerals while I'm at it.
Have a Blessed and Wonderful Day Everyone.
Jen

[dasiey]

hey all still following plan. today is a ud. I have had to dd so far. two ???? frist are most of you doing lc or what ever? second how much have you lost on juddd? thanks I am still working on my plan.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by wallaby

ARGH, I'm up 2 lbs. I know I know it's water weight because 1) it's TOM and 2) I have not been drinking my water as before. I think until I magically hit the maintenance button, I'm going to just refrain from daily weigh-ins. This fluctuation is killing me. I'm still down 8 lbs overall (or more since I started after holiday binge) so I'll try to keep looking on the bright side.

Maizebabe - I read your JUDDDers thread comment the very same way as Caramel at first. Thanks for the laugh!

wallaby, you too? Dead JUDDDERS? YOU GUYS ARE SICK! Hey, it's the middle of winter and if the thought of dead Juddders (shall we name names?) makes you laugh, be my guest and I will join in!

As to your weight loss (or gain ) I am sure you are right about it being water weight. You mentioned TOM and not getting anuff water, but here is something else: I bet those yummy chicken pies that Mama produced for you last night had a fair amount of sodium. (Your Mom is THIN? grrr Let's send her over to my skinny kids' houses to fatten them up: insert grinning devil face here.)

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by dasiey

hey all still following plan. today is a ud. I have had to dd so far. two ???? frist are most of you doing lc or what ever? second how much have you lost on juddd? thanks I am still working on my plan.

Daisey, good to see you again. Dont be discouraged if it doesnt look like you are making porgress at first. It takes awhile for the weight loss results of most eating plans to begin showing up and for me at least, this one was no different. You kind of have to get into a pattern of this and get your body into a rhythm of eating this way.

I am right now experimenting with combining "intermittent eating" with low-carbing and tomorrow will be the end of the first week of doing that faithfully. So I will weigh in then and let you know the results.

Feel free to tweak your plan and follow it as it works best for you.

The reason we started this thread is because we wanted people to be able to post as much as they want about trying ideas that look like far-out things to the narrow-minded, especially if you dont want to stick to some rigid rules set up by others. You will have fun here and learn a lot and you will never hear a discouraging word here.

[dasiey]

good I like making choices. and to change things up every now and then.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by dasiey

good I like making choices. and to change things up every now and then.

super! if you like to change things around a bit to suit yourself, you have come to the right place! We are all about being creative and it sounds like you are, too!

[maizenbluebabe]

JEN, great post! You gave us lots to think about in the realm of the spiritual benefits of fasting. I dont exactly know how to describe what it does for me--guess that cutting out the emphasis on food somehow helps me to step back a bit from "the world" and give some thought to things of the soul.

Well, I have seen lots of people doing multi quotes and asked about it and I think it was Zer who said you click on the icon immediately to the right of the blue "quote" button and then push quote and then go and do the same for each quote you want to add. I dont have it down perfectly yet and have to kind of mess around with it, but eventually get it to work. (But it aint easy yet)

Ah, my father loved my cooking, too. Fathers! He especially loved my clam chowder and said it reminded him of the clam bakes and chowders he and his friends used to make when he visited his grandparents at the shore (Long Island)

[dasiey]

and also on fasting...I think when your stomach fills empty. I feel the best.

[wallaby]

you're right Maizebabe, those pies were high in sodium - they tasted slightly salty to me but no one else seemed to notice. Seems that since JUDDing I've been more sensitive than usual to salt. Suddenly EVERYTHING is too salty for my taste. And I loved salt. (another great benefit to this WOE.) And congrats on your shrinkage!

Jen, best wishes for this day of spiritual growth. thanks for the reminder of the lemon juice and hot water (and cayenne!) . I love that for AS, even though I don't really need it at this point. I may try it in the future to suppress a desire to binge if that happens. I did the lemonade fast (not quite master cleanse) last year. I remember feeling pretty good.

Dasiey you'll do great. It just takes awhile for your body to catch on. It DOES get easier! Do make sure you check out the website for the JUDDD plan (link here somewhere on the thread, maybe at the start?....) if you haven't yet. I like to go back fairly often and check it out to confirm calorie calculations just to make sure I'm on the right track overall. I have not read the book though, which I should. To me, JUDDD is a great foundation - a really good way to establish some structure for attempting Alternate Day Fasting (or Eating) and stay on track without getting carried away. As I've said, it's hard for me to do both JUDDD and VERY LC.


Today is an UD - and I'm gonna do fine. I can definitely say within my recommended limit. I'm going to try to be a little less hard on myself and get back to the mood I was in a few days ago when I realized this was a fine way to live! Making progress, but certainly not overnight success (which wouldn't be lasting anyway.)

[dasiey]

thanks wallaby. I will go back and read more.

[maizenbluebabe]

[B]

Originally Posted by skeeweeaka;11493661[/B

Everyone...I like reading all of the indepth insights that this way of eating brings. It is defiitely a learning process. When I first did IF I learned how my body quickly adjusted to only eating during my 5 hour window and how it truly helped me to stop the binge eating that I had been doing.

In the same vane, JUDDD is helping me to do the same and to recognize true hunger versus hunger that is brought on by sweeteners, boredom, or something else..

TJ

TJ, I sure agree with you that there aare a number of advantages of intermittent eating (whether FF or JUDDD or other "fasts") beyond mere weight loss--for one thing, I sure dont crave sweets anymore the way I used to. And me too, when it came to the 5 hour window--amazing how quickly my body adjusted! It helps me so much to read everyone's approaches here to a better use of food and wiser ways of thinking about it as well


[B]

Originally Posted by skeeweeaka;11493661[/B

Quandria...Thanks for reminding me about those SIRT1 stores... Yes indeed as long as we pretty much stick to our DD and UD rules I think think we'll all be okay...

TJ

SIRTI -we really need to be reminded of that like you and Quandria have just done. They are often one of the overlooked jewels of this plan!


[B]

Originally Posted by skeeweeaka;11493661[/B

Maize...my appetite seems to be much smaller on my UD's as well. I think on my DD that I'm going to eat everything the next day, and don't have the appetite to go there..so I just focus on getting in good foods and it seems to be working well. Even though the scales are still not moving a lot, I'm trying to focus on health as opposed to what the scales are reading!

TJ

YES! Great points. I think sometimes our scale readings lag behind what is actually happening inside us when we IF. And Dr Atkins sort of hinted at that when he set up his strict rules for 2 wk induction--it starts people, not just on a physical change, but also time to get their minds into the plan, too, and so your comments above are great advice to those just starting IF--this is not a quick fix.


[B]

Originally Posted by skeeweeaka;11493661[/B

I think I'm prediabetic... Yesterday I fasted until about 6:30 and then I ate my meal of meat and veggies... I was fine after that. Then I had a SF jello pudding cup and instantly went to sleep. I'm wondering if the carbs just put me in a sugar coma or something! It was really strange. I'm supposed to be having a 24 hour fasting glucose test and I wonder if that will catch it. I had a fasting glucose and my number was at the HIGH END of the bell curve...right at the end but not over the lab range I was concerned about that, but of course my doctor never even mentioned it...

TJ

Yes, you are smart to be concerned, TJ-- one of my husband's colleagues at U of M specialized in this field and now and then (because of a family history of diabetes) he'd do a fasting GTT on me. Only he did it for SIX hours! And I had to load up on carbs for 3 days ahead of time and then go and drink that "stuff". (They put lemon in it and it was a long time before I could enjoy the smell of lemon ) MY curve always showed the high end of normal and he warned me to be very careful with carbs all my life even though I never showed truly pre-diabetic in a clinical sense.

My fasting BG is always normal now but I know that doesnt tell the whole story and so that family history is one more reason for me to lose weight and avoid carbs.

[DeniseBBW]

I'm going to try a water fast today just for the heck of it, I love the way I feel after, so light from losing all the excess fluid.

[jgw]

Originally Posted by skeeweeaka

Lol...that's so funny... It's easy to see how we all sometimes can misinterpret things...

Denise to the boards... Southbeach is a good plan. Happy to see you're dong well on it!

Everyone...I like reading all of the indepth insights that this way of eating brings. It is defiitely a learning process. When I first did IF I learned how my body quickly adjusted to only eating during my 5 hour window and how it truly helped me to stop the binge eating that I had been doing.

In the same vane, JUDDD is helping me to do the same and to recognize true hunger versus hunger that is brought on by sweeteners, boredom, or something else...


JGW...It is nice not freaking out when you have to cook something that is not necessarily on your plan and that you can control not eating it! Congrats to you on your progress!

I think I'm prediabetic... Yesterday I fasted until about 6:30 and then I ate my meal of meat and veggies... I was fine after that. Then I had a SF jello pudding cup and instantly went to sleep. I'm wondering if the carbs just put me in a sugar coma or something! It was really strange. I'm supposed to be having a 24 hour fasting glucose test and I wonder if that will catch it. I had a fasting glucose and my number was at the HIGH END of the bell curve...right at the end but not over the lab range I was concerned about that, but of course my doctor never even mentioned it...

Have a great day all!

TJ

Since I have been JUDDDing I noticed I sleep better. I hope you are not pre-diabetic. Do you have a home glucose monitor? I have one and it help me a lot.
I'm not a diabetic but I like to check my blood sugar levels every now and then, diabetes runs in my family.

As for the cake I can not believe the control. Today is my UP and if I feel the urge I will eat a small piece later.

BTW I am down another pound today!!!
Later Juddders

[jgw]

Originally Posted by DeniseBBW

I'm going to try a water fast today just for the heck of it, I love the way I feel after, so light from losing all the excess fluid.

Great! have a great water fast day!

[dasiey]

way to go Janice

[dasiey]

Denice I love that feeling to

[dasiey]

well I have been reading Dr. J web site. It says on the frist 2 weeks to use shakes I have been eating food but staying at 500 cals. on DD should I start over and go to weeks using the shakes or am I ok? I will be a bother to you all until I figure this out.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by dasiey

well I have been reading Dr. J web site. It says on the frist 2 weeks to use shakes I have been eating food but staying at 500 cals. on DD should I start over and go to weeks using the shakes or am I ok? I will be a bother to you all until I figure this out.

BAD DAISEY! WE neverr allow anyone to say they are "a bother" around here!

Although Dr J advises it, one of the things I didint do was to use the shakes as my exclusive source of food those first 2 weeks . Lots of people do and find them a super help for getting into the program fast.

But I was so used to following Atkins that I knew how to combine low cal on DD's with the low carb I needed to do. ( I love eggs and dont have a cholesterol problem so when I was just learning to really do a DD, I ate a lot of eggs)

Each of us is different (that is why we have a thread like this rather than one with just one narrow plan.) And what works for one may not work for someone else. You will see we are all over the map here, and to some people, it looks like we are taking a "dangerous" direction, but those of us who chose to come here regard this open-mindedness as our right (as thinking human beings)to make choices about what is best for US.

Dont ever hesitate to ask questions or give us hints about some discoveries you have made.

[dasiey]

thanks
BAD DASIEY

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by dasiey

thanks
BAD DASIEY

do you think it might make a good screen name if you got tired of "just plain Daisey" sometime ? I mean, someone named Bad Daisey must have a lot of very interesting things hidden in their past ===it would really get people wondering.

Heaven only knows what kind of Private Messages you might get with a name like that! ,

[dasiey]

wow... you got me thinking

[Ilpirata]

And I wasnt being "dismissive"-just -thought I hadnt explained it well and if you had a chance to see the book, it is much clearer than anything I could say.

well it was just a stupid miscommunication! Moving on... (and so sorry for my part in it)

[Ilpirata]

Maize... i can't remember but are you doing low carb also? I'm wondering if the loss of appetite could be deep deep ketosis. I totally got that way back when I did Stillmans.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

well it was just a stupid miscommunication! Moving on... (and so sorry for my part in it)

not to worry, Kisha, like I said, my DH and I sometimes seem to be picking out words and meanings from a different dictionary. And Dr J sure explains this stuff a lot better--and with fewer words :blush: than I can.

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Maize... i can't remember but are you doing low carb also? I'm wondering if the loss of appetite could be deep deep ketosis. I totally got that way back when I did Stillmans.

I think you have put your finger on it because, yes, I am doing very LC and am sure that I must be in ketosis. (no bad ketosis breath yet, tho) And of course, ketosis hastens fat loss as well--in addition , many "experts" say that drinking plenty of water actually flushes out fat and I am finally drinking plenty of water (ya cant claim to be on a AWF if you dont drink lots of water, can you? )

Earlier this morning, I filled a 2 quart bottle with water and am using that as a measure of how well I am doing on water intake.

[NoSugarShell]

Good Morning everyone!

Well, I am up .4 but I guess brownies will do that. I am also ovulating which for me brings on cravings and water retention. I get to have PMS twice a month.....

I am soooooo freakin hungry today. I am not sure I will make it till 2 but I am trying. That is 3 more whole hours.....

Everyone here is so good at doing personals. I am going to work on that. I read all the posts and find them very interesting. Especially, all the different tweaks.

Question for everyone - Has anyone found info about how long it takes to activate the SIRTI benefits? Does Fast Five work for that? Just curious.

Michelle

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by NoSugarShell

Good Morning everyone!

Well, I am up .4 but I guess brownies will do that. I am also ovulating which for me brings on cravings and water retention. I get to have PMS twice a month.....

I am soooooo freakin hungry today. I am not sure I will make it till 2 but I am trying. That is 3 more whole hours.....

Everyone here is so good at doing personals. I am going to work on that. I read all the posts and find them very interesting. Especially, all the different tweaks.

Question for everyone - Has anyone found info about how long it takes to activate the SIRTI benefits? Does Fast Five work for that? Just curious.

Michelle

MIchelle, so glad to see you today! I was wondering if you were getting the worst of the storm after we heard from you and that maybe ice had knocked out your power and you were "stuck without us to talk to"

OK, Dr J says that the SIRTI effect doesnt kick in right away, I dont remember the exact time, tho.. And while I dont recall Dr Herring mentioning it specifically for Fast Five (both of my books are loaned out now) I know that many proponents of calorie restriction claim that ANY kind of fasting will turn it on.

Are you familiar with Dr Michael Eades? He co-authored (with his wife ) a very wonderful plan called Protein Power which is a variation of Atkins but with an emphasis on protein intake. Well, he has a blog where he has praised Intermittent Fasting and it turns out he and his wife often combine IF with Protein Power to maintain their healthy weight.

His blog is very inspiring and informative and I love reading it. I think anyone interested in any kind of carb control or IF would find his observations worthwhile either in his blog or in his books (all are in paperback and easily availble.)

[Quandria]

Originally Posted by dasiey

well I have been reading Dr. J web site. It says on the frist 2 weeks to use shakes I have been eating food but staying at 500 cals. on DD should I start over and go to weeks using the shakes or am I ok? I will be a bother to you all until I figure this out.

Please ask - it's never a bother!!

I think the advice to stick with shakes for the first 2 weeks is because most people SIGNIFICANTLY underestimate their calorie intake. If you know how to accurately count calories, I think it's fine to have real food instead.

I had a little 12 oz drink bottle and used it to mix half a protein shake, or to measure other liquids like V-8 juice or Kefir (liquid yogurt). The half-shakes helped me in the first few weeks, as did having half a can of V-8 (35 calories) here and there throughout the day. Once I got really into the swing of things I found that I preferred having one or two sort of regular meals a day, but at first the mini-meals really helped out.

Good luck, and remember it gets MUCH MUCH easier with each down day you do.

[Quandria]

Originally Posted by NoSugarShell

Good Morning everyone!

Well, I am up .4 but I guess brownies will do that. I am also ovulating which for me brings on cravings and water retention. I get to have PMS twice a month.....

I am soooooo freakin hungry today. I am not sure I will make it till 2 but I am trying. That is 3 more whole hours.....

Everyone here is so good at doing personals. I am going to work on that. I read all the posts and find them very interesting. Especially, all the different tweaks.

Question for everyone - Has anyone found info about how long it takes to activate the SIRTI benefits? Does Fast Five work for that? Just curious.

Michelle

Hey Shell - hang in there, sorry today isn't behaving the way it should be!

I think it's a couple weeks before you feel the effects of SIRT1 kicking in. The levels build each time there is fasting, and if I recall correctly it takes about 3 weeks to completely deplete the stores. I don't know how it works with Fast Five, but it seems to me any type of fasting would do the trick (that's just me guessing there).

I hope your day gets a bit less challenging soon!!