JUDDD TWEAKERS, FAST 5-ers, & WATER FASTERS

[wallaby]

MBB and Angie on the pounds down! Seems like your experience is right in line with Jen's friend, and some others here who saw dramatic results when adding WF (or AWF) to the regimen. More incentive for me to stick to it!

Apparently I'm doing an AWF today too - which I did on Monday. I've had about 100 cals and since I'm so insanely pre-occupied with work deadlines (although I'm taking a break to check in here because I got a reprieve on one) I haven't even left my desk to see about food.

Will go drink some H20 however, maybe some tea. I'm feelin a little parched.

[Ilpirata]

Also, as I recall, Dr J warns us that 2 DD's in a row may slow the metabolism down so that we dont lose as rapidly as we do when we fool our body into thinking food is always close by and it can afford to burn fat. (Can anyone tell I am not a scientist? )

But we're not talking about two in a row right? I TOTALLY know not to do two in a row. We're talking about two AWF with a real complete UD in between (aren't we?)

[NoSugarShell]

Hey guys -

Quandria - I LOVE taking Epsom salts baths. I didn't even think that I might be getting some of the magnesium but that is an added bonus.

Well, I have surely enjoyed my ice day although it seems to all be melting at this point. I opened my window at 2:30 and had some chili. My son talked me into making brownies and I had 2. They are gluten free and fairly low carb, for brownies that is. The kids love them.

I might have to add in an Epsom salt soak for later!

Michelle

[caramel]

Hello Everyone,

Maizenbluebabe and Angie Great job on your loss


Yesterday was a wf day for me and will do another tommorow, since I changed my regular DD from monday because of my birthday I will end up with fewer DD for the week thus increasing my caloric intake for the week. I don't mind the wf in fact they are usually a lot easier than my regular DD I just feel so much better afterwards, Today is an UD for me and its the afternoon and I am almost half finished my calorie intake for the day.

I'll post later this everning hope to hear reports on everyone today

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

But we're not talking about two in a row right? I TOTALLY know not to do two in a row. We're talking about two AWF with a real complete UD in between (aren't we?)

Yes, Kisha. Dr Johnson was saying DONT do TWO DOWNDAYS IN A ROW (of any kind) because they dont speed up your weight loss, but they actually slow it down for the reasons I gave earlier. So, yes, no matter what my DD is like in the details--whether plain low cal or an AWF, you wont find me doing two DD's in a row--always an UpDay in between. Nutritionally I think consecutive DD'S would be bad me and also I am sure doing that would interfere with my weight loss.

Kisha, his book isnt expensive and I think you'd really enjoy reading it. (Your library might have it, also--some do.) It would answer a lot of your questions better (clearer) than any of us could.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by caramel

Hello Everyone,

Maizenbluebabe and Angie Great job on your loss


Yesterday was a wf day for me and will do another tommorow, since I changed my regular DD from monday because of my birthday I will end up with fewer DD for the week thus increasing my caloric intake for the week. I don't mind the wf in fact they are usually a lot easier than my regular DD I just feel so much better afterwards, Today is an UD for me and its the afternoon and I am almost half finished my calorie intake for the day.

I'll post later this everning hope to hear reports on everyone today

YOU GO, GIRL!

Caramel, you understand the mechanisms of this UP/DD thing and increasing caloric intake so well. And your sensible, and successful use of WF's as a helpful tool is so impressive. You have certainly inspired me to try it and I really like the results!

Originally Posted by NoSugarShell

Hey guys -

Quandria - I LOVE taking Epsom salts baths. I didn't even think that I might be getting some of the magnesium but that is an added bonus.

Well, I have surely enjoyed my ice day although it seems to all be melting at this point. I opened my window at 2:30 and had some chili. My son talked me into making brownies and I had 2. They are gluten free and fairly low carb, for brownies that is. The kids love them.

I might have to add in an Epsom salt soak for later!

Michelle

MIchelle, isnt it nice to have a snow day now and then and just spend time at home alone with your child? I used to love it when our girls and I would get "snowed in" in Ann Arbor for a day off from school. Ah, those were the days of hot cocoa and marshmallows...sweet memories. I absolutely love marshmallows but they are sure a thing of the past now.

[skeeweeaka]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

Yes, Kisha. Dr Johnson was saying DONT do TWO DOWNDAYS IN A ROW (of any kind) because they dont speed up your weight loss, but they actually slow it down for the reasons I gave earlier. So, yes, no matter what my DD is like in the details--whether plain low cal or an AWF, you wont find me doing two DD's in a row--always an UpDay in between. Nutritionally I think consecutive DD'S would be bad me and also I am sure doing that would interfere with my weight loss.

Kisha, his book isnt expensive and I think you'd really enjoy reading it. (Your library might have it, also--some do.) It would answer a lot of your questions better (clearer) than any of us could.

I'm definitely trying to make sure my UD's are full of calories and nutrients! Also not doing two DD's in a row.

Definitely a good point about getting in vitamins and minerals ona WF, that's probably why I became light headed. I did not take my supplements that day because I thought they may make me sick to my stomach. Today I haven't had that problem, wonder if the ACV had something to do with that???

Today is my DD and so far so good... I've had ACV twice and no hunger pains...hah! I'm loving that! I'm considering eating my 500 calories but might make it a complete fast...we'll see in about 15 minutes lol... Might just consider doing a WF perhaps once or twice a week to see how it goes...

Thanks for the input everyone...

TJ

[Ilpirata]

Kisha, his book isnt expensive and I think you'd really enjoy reading it. (Your library might have it, also--some do.) It would answer a lot of your questions better (clearer) than any of us could.

this has just been a miscommunication. i absolutely understand that we are not to do two down days in a row. as i stated already. I just read your post incorrectly and thought that you said you did two in a row which i was confused about. i understand the concept completely. i just misunderstood you. i have the book. i'm clear on the concept. THANKS.

Your original post was confusing TO ME because you said

Oooops, I want to make sure that I make it very plain to everyone:

I never plan to do two extreme DownDays or Fast Days in a row--that is where I think I'd get into trouble--with both weight loss--and more important--with my health.

It was the IN A ROW that made me think they were indeed immediately following each other. Like I said, MY MISUNDERSTANDING. but it was a misunderstanding of your post. Not of the concepts in the book.

pointing someone at the manual...
classic dismissal technique isn't it?

[DeniseBBW]

Hi all, I'm doing JUDDD combined with Fast-5 eating South Beach foods, how's that for confusing?? lol. Anyway, I'm doing pretty good on it and I'm so glad to see this thread. I'd like to join of that's ok.

[jgw]

Hello everyone, I made it fine so far through my DD today. I got so much energy and not hungry. My DD are getting so much easier and I think it's because I did those WF or AWF days.
I want to thank everyone for their support and advice during this learning phase of tweaking JUDDD.
I am baking a cake at this time for work tomorrow and I'm not nervous and anxious like I use to be. I could not have done this in the past without freaking out.
I have better control of food intake (no binging) and my mood is so much calmer.
Thanks again all my Juddding, tweaking friends.

[jgw]

Welcome Denise!

[wallaby]

Denise. Your WOE sounds a lot like a lot of us here. Seems many of us end up eating in a relatively small window whether we're on UD or DD - and one meal at that. I'm trying to stick with LC but I'm finding that the hardest part of all - doing LC AND Low Calorie is tough isn't it? (well, if you are also doing high protein and fat) Or am I just not thinking it through.

Great work on your DDs Janice - it does get easier doesn't it? You are brave too - I'm not quite ready to bake a cake I think. I had a hard time resisting pancakes this morning - had a tiny one. Didn't lead to any dangerous binging - I attribute it to this fantastic WOE.

[shunsweets]

Snowing and freezing rain here. Had a minor accident and canceled my second shift - just couldn't face the commute between jobs - feeling guilty like I should have toughed it out and gone on to work but I was scared and shaking and exhausted so here I am at home curled up with my honey by the fire and overeating a bit on UD. Definitely not what I expected my evening to be.

I've decided to fast tomorrow for personal reasons. I'm not trying to lose weight but to clear my mind and spirit and bargain with the powers that be for strength and health. I'll have coffee in the morning then nothing until suppertime Friday when I will break fast with a healthy UD meal. We'll be in Philadelphia for consults with Drs all day Fri so not eating the second day will be fine and I can support my DH in his fasting for medical tests which he finds difficult. This will be about a 40 hour fast which in medical terms is a good thing as it will trigger all the good hormonal/metabolic changes of fasting but not start the slowing of metabolism. It's OK don't panic. I've done it many times before and although I lose a couple of pounds they come right back after a good meal. I'm a health nut and will never do anything to damage my body.

I"m concerned about our nation's children's dietary health but more specifically about my own grandchildren's diets. My DD and SIL are educated, smart, loving parents. They both work demanding jobs and are extremely busy and they feed the girls a diet of fast food, prepared foods, sweets, and soft drinks. They think I'm a fanatic about health and diet and believe the low fat dogma the FDA supports. All I can do is feed them all well when they are here, teach the little ones as much as I can, and let it go.

I'm so glad to see so many learning what works best for their bodies and experimenting to find their own truths. Self knowlege can only bring growth.

Best wishes to all stay warm and safe!

[wallaby]

shunsweets it sounds like you're doing this fast for all the right reasons, that's for sure. I do hope things go well for your DH. And, VERY sorry about your weather and driving troubles! We got slammed with that weather last night and this morning. It's still January and I am already tired of winter driving.

[Quandria]

Well it's been a bit rough today, my first DD in a while. I wanted to fast until dinner (okay honestly I wanted to do a WF today), but was soooo hungry that I had a Boca patty and can of V-8 at about 2:00pm (170 calories). This of course isn't the end of the world and it won't be a problem staying under 500 for the day, but still. Now I know (or am pretty certain) that the SIRT1 stores really do help make the down days easier. I know the first few DD are difficult, but having so many under my belt I wondered if it would be easy to jump right back into them, but it wasn't. So here's to rebuilding my SIRT1 stores and getting back soon to easy down days!

Boy it sure is funny now that I think of it, that by trying for a WF and "failing", I'm still totally on plan (I will definitely be under 500 calories for the day) and a success. I simply LOVE that!! Oh yeah and not to mention that I workout tonight, so there will be some calorie deficit action going on there too. I love this plan!!!

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

this has just been a miscommunication. i absolutely understand that we are not to do two down days in a row. as i stated already. I just read your post incorrectly and thought that you said you did two in a row which i was confused about. i understand the concept completely. i just misunderstood you. i have the book. i'm clear on the concept. THANKS.

Your original post was confusing TO ME because you said



It was the IN A ROW that made me think they were indeed immediately following each other. Like I said, MY MISUNDERSTANDING. but it was a misunderstanding of your post. Not of the concepts in the book.

pointing someone at the manual...
classic dismissal technique isn't it?

Ha ha-- maybe we need a translator? My husband and I go through this sometimes and then we realize we dont always speak "the same language" (or at least use the same dictionary. ).

When I said "I dont do two DownDays in a row" I intended that to mean I dont do one DD immediately following the other. As in a DD on Wednesday and then another DD on Thursday. But I can see how the phrase could be confusing i.

And I wasnt being "dismissive"-just -thought I hadnt explained it well and if you had a chance to see the book, it is much clearer than anything I could say.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by shunsweets

Snowing and freezing rain here. Had a minor accident and canceled my second shift - just couldn't face the commute between jobs - feeling guilty like I should have toughed it out and gone on to work but I was scared and shaking and exhausted so here I am at home curled up with my honey by the fire and overeating a bit on UD. Definitely not what I expected my evening to be.

I've decided to fast tomorrow for personal reasons. I'm not trying to lose weight but to clear my mind and spirit and bargain with the powers that be for strength and health. I'll have coffee in the morning then nothing until suppertime Friday when I will break fast with a healthy UD meal. We'll be in Philadelphia for consults with Drs all day Fri so not eating the second day will be fine and I can support my DH in his fasting for medical tests which he finds difficult. This will be about a 40 hour fast which in medical terms is a good thing as it will trigger all the good hormonal/metabolic changes of fasting but not start the slowing of metabolism. It's OK don't panic. I've done it many times before and although I lose a couple of pounds they come right back after a good meal. I'm a health nut and will never do anything to damage my body.

I"m concerned about our nation's children's dietary health but more specifically about my own grandchildren's diets. My DD and SIL are educated, smart, loving parents. They both work demanding jobs and are extremely busy and they feed the girls a diet of fast food, prepared foods, sweets, and soft drinks. They think I'm a fanatic about health and diet and believe the low fat dogma the FDA supports. All I can do is feed them all well when they are here, teach the little ones as much as I can, and let it go.

I'm so glad to see so many learning what works best for their bodies and experimenting to find their own truths. Self knowlege can only bring growth.

Best wishes to all stay warm and safe!

shunsweets, you know you and DH are in my and in a special way at this time. I am so sorry you had to go through the wretched trauma of an accident today of all days but am so glad that you are not hurt and that you are having a chance to relax and spend time tonight in front of a cozy fire with DH and not having to brave the elements for that extra shift.

I love my AWF days and am so much looking forward to tomorrow and my next DD. I find that fasting makes my body feel better--lighter, cleaner if that makes sense--and puts my mind in a good place, too.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Quandria

Well it's been a bit rough today, my first DD in a while. I wanted to fast until dinner (okay honestly I wanted to do a WF today), but was soooo hungry that I had a Boca patty and can of V-8 at about 2:00pm (170 calories). This of course isn't the end of the world and it won't be a problem staying under 500 for the day, but still. Now I know (or am pretty certain) that the SIRT1 stores really do help make the down days easier. I know the first few DD are difficult, but having so many under my belt I wondered if it would be easy to jump right back into them, but it wasn't. So here's to rebuilding my SIRT1 stores and getting back soon to easy down days!

Boy it sure is funny now that I think of it, that by trying for a WF and "failing", I'm still totally on plan (I will definitely be under 500 calories for the day) and a success. I simply LOVE that!! Oh yeah and not to mention that I workout tonight, so there will be some calorie deficit action going on there too. I love this plan!!!

Dont be disappointed or discouraged--you have done so well! We are sometimes so hard on ourselves

And thanks for bringing up the SIRT1 gene again--that is something we sometimes forget and it is such an important part of this plan.

[wallaby]

I'm not having such a great DD after all. I'm at about 600 cals Mine should be at around 300. My mother, who lives nearby - and is THIN - did me a "favor" by baking some yummy little chicken pies for my family for dinner and it seemed rude to turn them down (without starting a big saga about "the diet.")

So I'm confused about what to do about tomorrow. Do I go ahead and have an Up day? Do I try to reach the 1600 cals I'm "supposed" to eat on an UD or do I modify that and stay at around 12-1400 to balance out the wackiness of today. (I do tend to overthink things like this...) Any recommendations from you pros would be most welcome.

[maizenbluebabe]

My only complaint so far about this plan is that it just killing my appetite for UpDAys and I am having to work to get enough food in. Of course, I have upped my water intake so that makes me feel more full. But it is so weird to feel satiated after a day of fasting and not wake up hungry the next day. Do our stomachs really "shrink" physically in terms of "storage space" when we cut back on food?

Despite telilng Kisha that I would never do two DownDays in a row, I am so "unhungry" on my UPDays this week that going for a second day of 500 calories doesnt seem to be an impossible challenge except I know it is wrong. I always used to wonder how people could ask if they could do two DD's in a row instead of having an UpDay in between and I thought they must have been nuts--who would even think they were capable of such a thing? Now I'm beginning to understand how they could ask that and actually feel it might be do-able.

Going without food for most of the day like I ended up doing today wasnt at all in my food plan. I had fully intended to have something mid-afternoon during my "window." (I even headed for the kitchen at one point but got sidetracked. ) And I did not eat anything today (after my morning coffee with cream) until 6:00 when we had dinner and even then, I just literally didnt give a damn if I ate or not--had to make myself do it.

Oh, I have been able to do controlled eating before and not even feel physical hunger, but dont remember a time when eating something didnt appeal to my head--I mean, I always felt like I was giving up something.

I am beginning to see how some of my old friends at the other JUDDD forum (now dead) were able to lose so much weight, stick with this plan for months and never complain about it being hard or feeling deprived. I feel like I am finally somehow getting into the groove on this.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by wallaby

I'm not having such a great DD after all. I'm at about 600 cals Mine should be at around 300. My mother, who lives nearby - and is THIN - did me a "favor" by baking some yummy little chicken pies for my family for dinner and it seemed rude to turn them down (without starting a big saga about "the diet.")

So I'm confused about what to do about tomorrow. Do I go ahead and have an Up day? Do I try to reach the 1600 cals I'm "supposed" to eat on an UD or do I modify that and stay at around 12-1400 to balance out the wackiness of today. (I do tend to overthink things like this...) Any recommendations from you pros would be most welcome.

Ummm, I am not a pro. at all Just want to say, though I have been in your shoes before more than once and what I did was to eat a reasonable UpDay after "sinning slightly" like you did today and then go and have my next DD on schedule . Even if your cals are "supposed " to be around 300, having 600 is by no means "pigging out" wallaby.

Cheer up and just enjoy the thought of a mom who lives nearby and loves you enough to bring you lovely chicken pie on a cold winter night.

PS--the other time I did this plan and fell off the wagon like you did was when I lost 18 pounds in about 4 1/2 months so you see it did not ruin things for me to slip up like you did and then do a regular UD afterward.

[wallaby]

You're right, it wasn't pigging out! I'll do a regular UD tomorrow and then do a great DD the next day. This is a great plan.

[Quandria]

Originally Posted by DeniseBBW

Hi all, I'm doing JUDDD combined with Fast-5 eating South Beach foods, how's that for confusing?? lol. Anyway, I'm doing pretty good on it and I'm so glad to see this thread. I'd like to join of that's ok.

Great to see you here!!

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by DeniseBBW

Hi all, I'm doing JUDDD combined with Fast-5 eating South Beach foods, how's that for confusing?? lol. Anyway, I'm doing pretty good on it and I'm so glad to see this thread. I'd like to join of that's ok.

Denise!

It's a good thing Quandria spotted you (thanks , Quandria!) or your welcome greeting might have gotten lost in the shuffle and then you might well wonder if we were an unfriendly bunch when in fact, we are delighted to see you . Our hearts are warm and friendly despite the delay in welcoming you.

As you can see, we are all over the map on what we are doing so you ought ti fit right in here.

I like to say that we prefer to "color outside the lines" when it comes to eating plans (which is what most really creative people like to do in one way or another anyhow) .

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

I am beginning to see how some of my old friends at the other JUDDD forum (now dead) were able to lose so much weight

First I read this as all the JUDDDers were dead!

[caramel]

hello everyone,

Not trying to be cruel but retroworx I know what you mean by that statement maizenbluebabe wrote and now it made me laugh out loud. I said
to myself, now that was some mean diet

[wallaby]

ARGH, I'm up 2 lbs. I know I know it's water weight because 1) it's TOM and 2) I have not been drinking my water as before. I think until I magically hit the maintenance button, I'm going to just refrain from daily weigh-ins. This fluctuation is killing me. I'm still down 8 lbs overall (or more since I started after holiday binge) so I'll try to keep looking on the bright side.

Maizebabe - I read your JUDDDers thread comment the very same way as Caramel at first. Thanks for the laugh!

[skeeweeaka]

Originally Posted by retroworx

First I read this as all the JUDDDers were dead!

Lol...that's so funny... It's easy to see how we all sometimes can misinterpret things...

Denise to the boards... Southbeach is a good plan. Happy to see you're dong well on it!

Everyone...I like reading all of the indepth insights that this way of eating brings. It is defiitely a learning process. When I first did IF I learned how my body quickly adjusted to only eating during my 5 hour window and how it truly helped me to stop the binge eating that I had been doing.

In the same vane, JUDDD is helping me to do the same and to recognize true hunger versus hunger that is brought on by sweeteners, boredom, or something else...


JGW...It is nice not freaking out when you have to cook something that is not necessarily on your plan and that you can control not eating it! Congrats to you on your progress!

Kisha...CONGRATS on staying on plan! You're doing a wonderful job! Keep up the good work!

Wallaby...congrats on limiting the pancakes...my favorite not sure if I could have done that...

Shunsweets...we are having the same AWFUL weather here. My daughter han't been to school in two days! Good thoughts go out to you and your dear husband on his medical testing!

Quandria...Thanks for reminding me about those SIRT1 stores... Yes indeed as long as we pretty much stick to our DD and UD rules I think think we'll all be okay...

Maize...my appetite seems to be much smaller on my UD's as well. I think on my DD that I'm going to eat everything the next day, and don't have the appetite to go there..so I just focus on getting in good foods and it seems to be working well. Even though the scales are still not moving a lot, I'm trying to focus on health as opposed to what the scales are reading!

Caramel..Congrats on your water fasts... I'm building up to a full day... Hopefully Friday I can make it through the entire day!

NoSugarshel...those brownies sound so good, and chili sounds like a plan for the weekend!

Angie...CONGRATS on your WEIGHT LOSS even while aunt flo was visiting!

Well today's my UD and I have some good eats planned...mostly leftovers though! NOT SURE what I'm planning for dinner. I might do a soup and perhaps a tuna salad or something...but defiitely a soup for this cold weather we are having!

I think I'm prediabetic... Yesterday I fasted until about 6:30 and then I ate my meal of meat and veggies... I was fine after that. Then I had a SF jello pudding cup and instantly went to sleep. I'm wondering if the carbs just put me in a sugar coma or something! It was really strange. I'm supposed to be having a 24 hour fasting glucose test and I wonder if that will catch it. I had a fasting glucose and my number was at the HIGH END of the bell curve...right at the end but not over the lab range I was concerned about that, but of course my doctor never even mentioned it...

Have a great day all!

TJ

[Leo41]

Skeeweeaka-

You mentioned having a glucose tolerance test, and I noticed on your avatar that you eat low carb. Do you know that you have to "carb up" for about 3 days before that test for it to be accurate?

When I had one, my endo told me to eat "high carb" for 3 days, and I thought she was nuts, so I researched it, and she was correct. I really enjoyed muffins, pancakes, and pasta for the first time in a LONG time, but I feared that my glucose would be sky high. It turns out that I was normal, and I needed those carbs to get an accurate reading.

If you already know this, I apologize, but I wanted to make sure you didn't get a wrong diagnosis.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by caramel

hello everyone,

Not trying to be cruel but retroworx I know what you mean by that statement maizenbluebabe wrote and now it made me laugh out loud. I said
to myself, now that was some mean diet

OK, Caramel, you and Retro and TJ caught me in the act!

After I wrote that about the Dead JUDDDers thread , I looked at it again and realized it could be taken another way and decided to leave it because in this grim world we can all lose another laugh!