JohnsonAlternateDayDiet/JUDDD Jan 2009

[wallaby]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

OK wallaby--I see by your sidebar info that YOU are doing what I have briefly touched upon. And you have been losing weight. Please tell us more.

PS--how come the unusual screen name--do you have one for a pet or do you really live in the land of Oz?

LOL, considering my workplace lately, I FEEL like I live in the land of Oz! (Nickname from childhood). Yes, it turns out that I share a WOE which is very much like yours, LC with both Fast Five and JUDDD. AND, staying busy. (I am utterly obsessed with food, and have a very large cookbook collection to prove it. ) I also hope to have the success you've described.

On both UD and DD I just hold off as long as possible before I open my eating window and if I feel like I can't take it anymore, I eat an egg or some other protein to tide me over. On UDs I also try to add some fat to the protein to satisfy me more. I also drink as much water as humanly possible and a very spicy chai that I make myself, using either a splash of cream or milk (cream on UDs and milk on DD's - the latter higher carb but lower calorie. )

Sometimes, I'm finding it easier just to not eat on DD rather than figure out what to eat that's LC and also Low calorie ( I do like my fat) Although those Shirataki noodles have definitely come in handy!

Finally, I want to add that I have serious problems with low blood sugar, and have all my life. I'm prone to fainting and as a result, I have an anxiety disorder - I'm terrified of fainting! I've always known that protein is key to keeping me "upright" and that in the morning, or after any fasting period, I can never eat carbs alone. I must have protein too or I'll crash. But it's only recently that I've realized that not-eating doesn't make me crash and doesn't make me feel ill. It's the spike of carbs - and then the free fall of blood sugar - that apparently causes me problems. (I always thought I had to have at least SOMETHING to eat, some sort of protein or I'd be in trouble.)

This is also what helps keep me away from caving into foods I love - like the delicious looking bagels that were staring at me this morning during one of endless work meetings. I just imagine that I will be flat on my back w/in hours of consuming! Lately, I've also felt really ill after eating high carb food. Probably all in my head....

Whew, this is probably more than you wanted to know!

p.s. maizenblue are you a Wolverine?

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by wallaby

LOL, considering my workplace lately, I FEEL like I live in the land of Oz! (Nickname from childhood). Yes, it turns out that I share a WOE which is very much like yours, LC with both Fast Five and JUDDD. AND, staying busy. (I am utterly obsessed with food, and have a very large cookbook collection to prove it. ) I also hope to have the success you've described.

On both UD and DD I just hold off as long as possible before I open my eating window and if I feel like I can't take it anymore, I eat an egg or some other protein to tide me over. On UDs I also try to add some fat to the protein to satisfy me more. I also drink as much water as humanly possible and a very spicy chai that I make myself, using either a splash of cream or milk (cream on UDs and milk on DD's - the latter higher carb but lower calorie. )



Sometimes, I'm finding it easier just to not eat on DD rather than figure out what to eat that's LC and also Low calorie ( I do like my fat) Although those Shirataki noodles have definitely come in handy!

Finally, I want to add that I have serious problems with low blood sugar, and have all my life. I'm prone to fainting and as a result, I have an anxiety disorder - I'm terrified of fainting! I've always known that protein is key to keeping me "upright" and that in the morning, or after any fasting period, I can never eat carbs alone. I must have protein too or I'll crash. But it's only recently that I've realized that not-eating doesn't make me crash and doesn't make me feel ill. It's the spike of carbs - and then the free fall of blood sugar - that apparently causes me problems. (I always thought I had to have at least SOMETHING to eat, some sort of protein or I'd be in trouble.)

This is also what helps keep me away from caving into foods I love - like the delicious looking bagels that were staring at me this morning during one of endless work meetings. I just imagine that I will be flat on my back w/in hours of consuming! Lately, I've also felt really ill after eating high carb food. Probably all in my head....

Whew, this is probably more than you wanted to know!

p.s. maizenblue are you a Wolverine?

Am I a WOLVERINE? Oh baby, you betcha! They had to draw blood from me not long ago and it came out "yellow and blue"

And the rest of your post is so much like my experience, it is amazing--I used to suffer low blood sugar as a young woman when I ate the good old "Healthy American Breakfast" Ya know the one with toast and/or cereal of some kind--oatmeal a lot of the time cause I love it. And by 10 AM, I'd be sick as hell--weak, shakey, faint, ready to fight or cry.

For years my mom had been waking up having continuous and hideous anxiety attacks (like she was going to die--weak, shakey, heart racing, feeling faint--you know the rest. She thought she was going crazy and some doctors were happy to tell her she was imagining it all. ("Now, now dear--if you just control your mind, you'll be fine") Then by the grace of God, she stumbled upon a doctor who said YOU ARE NOT NUTS--AND YOU ARE HAVING A LOW BLOOD SUGAR ATTACK. How did he know? Because he suffered from the same thing! So then she would keep a piece of cheese by her bed and if she woke up sick would quickly eat it. But she also learned never to have any simple carbs for dinner or later. In fact, gave them up completely and no more attacks of "craziness" in the middle of the night.

So when this happened to me, we knew what it was and we already knew the cure, thanks to that dear doctor, long dead now, but still remembered with love,

[WHIRLYBIRD]

Originally Posted by jgw

Jennifer I have no idea. I would love to see her after!

I know, I'm still trying to figure out how I can add it.
I don't have photoshop or a program to help me resize it.
I'm waiting on someone to give me a clue on how to do this.
Jennifer

[Zer]

I am getting absurdly excited at the prospect of losing tons of weight by eating a full meal every other day and fasting (with plenty of water) on alternate days - and enjoying the decrease in inflammation that I associate with my light-food days. Thanks for sharing what works for you. I'm getting really excited!!!

[Ilpirata]

I am getting absurdly excited at the prospect of losing tons of weight by eating a full meal every other day and fasting (with plenty of water) on alternate days - and enjoying the decrease in inflammation that I associate with my light-food days. Thanks for sharing what works for you. I'm getting really excited!!!

I'm really glad that you're excited Zer! I really think this WOE will work great for you. For now though would you maybe consider just doing it as outlined on the JUDDDD site? Meaning not just eating one meal on your UD. Eating normally on your UD? I think that might be a good place for you to start.

(just food for thought)

[WHIRLYBIRD]

Originally Posted by Zer

I am getting absurdly excited at the prospect of losing tons of weight by eating a full meal every other day and fasting (with plenty of water) on alternate days - and enjoying the decrease in inflammation that I associate with my light-food days. Thanks for sharing what works for you. I'm getting really excited!!!

I know how you feel! I've been doing it for the past 1-1/2 weeks and have lost over 14 pounds. I'm sure it's mostly water but it sure feels great to pull those jeans on a little easier. Plus, the energy surges I have during the day is amazing! I have a non-stop amount of it on both the UD's & DD's.
But Zer, if you have any blood sugar problems at all, please consult your doctor first. I would hate for anyone to get weak from not eating at all on the DD's. I'm doing a lot of research right now about fasting and have found that the longer one fasts, the greater the health benefits. So, I'm just saying, if you are healthy, you probably will be a good candidate for doing the diet this way. The Doctor said himself in his book that a complete fast on the DD's reaps better results but that not many can adhere to it. I don't think he said anything about spreading out the calories on the UD's... Correct me if I'm wrong. I think as long as you get in enough and above 1000 calories, you'll be fine.
My friend said that her Doctor told her to make sure she eats everything within one hour, not to spread it out over the day. There's a reason but I'm not sure why. I'll try and find out and let you know.
So, however you want to do it, I'm sure will be fine. Just eat a well balanced meal on your UD's.

[Zer]

Oh, I'm still mostly lurking, as I do what I can do to sustain life. Fixing a meal a day is about all I can manage. I tend to fix a dish and snack off it over a few hours, to finish up a pound of fish in olive oil with an onion and maybe avocado added to the mix. Today's eats is a can of spinach and a can of SPAM for fuel. Not my best menu, but what's at hand. Lately I'm mad for spinach, so I have a few cans on hand. The SPAM was bought months ago, as emergency rations.

Today felt like an emergency. Total calories 1380, with 30g carbs. Not great, but not as bad as days when I do not manage to find food that tempts me. I am revisiting ****** and checking out the damage as I start off most days with a WPP mixture that totals 1,000cals (with three heaping spoons of VCOil added). Some days that is capped off with a tin of sardines. Others days with various snacks (pumpkin seeds, nuts, nori - yes, lately I'm snacking on nori bought in 2003 and just discovered in a ziploc). Nori is an interesting snack. Funny stuff.

So I really want to lose weight and will likely try working UD/DD as a good way to manage a 48hr cycle of eating. Meanwhile, I'm lurking and loving it!

[Zer]

My doctor? My HMO MD whose idea of health care is a light stethascoping for a disabling groin pull that I've been nursing since Aug.2006? Don't get me started on inept MDs, please! My blood sugar is fine, according to a public health nurse who checked me out for free at a senior center for a couple of years running. Iron is fine too, according to her fast little gadget. I'm okay to work out a plan that will allow me to drop weight. Then I'll find an MD who can help me work on other stuff like thyroid. First, I'm eager to take weight off a hinky hip that hurts a lot.

Originally Posted by WHIRLYBIRD

Zer, if you have any blood sugar problems at all, please consult your doctor first.

AGHHHHH! MDs!!!

[WHIRLYBIRD]

Originally Posted by Zer

My doctor? My HMO MD whose idea of health care is a light stethascoping for a disabling groin pull that I've been nursing since Aug.2006? Don't get me started on inept MDs, please! My blood sugar is fine, according to a public health nurse who checked me out for free at a senior center for a couple of years running. Iron is fine too, according to her fast little gadget. I'm okay to work out a plan that will allow me to drop weight. Then I'll find an MD who can help me work on other stuff like thyroid. First, I'm eager to take weight off a hinky hip that hurts a lot. AGHHHHH! MDs!!!

I hear ya! Docs can sometime treat us as if we are just a number and a paycheck. Not all of them but some...
Do what you can and stick around for more support. I'm sure others here will chime in and give their 2 cents worth as well.
Everyone here has different ideas of what's right or wrong but you can take from it what will work for you and leave the rest behind.
Try a day of fasting and see how you do. You never know, it might just be what will help with the pain. When your body isn't busy digesting food, it will send the blood flow to other parts of the body that need it most. If you are having pain somewhere, it will go there to repair the damages. The body is so amazing!
Good Luck and hang out with us. We're the cool ones that know what's up with dieting! hahaha

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Zer

I am getting absurdly excited at the prospect of losing tons of weight by eating a full meal every other day and fasting (with plenty of water) on alternate days - and enjoying the decrease in inflammation that I associate with my light-food days. Thanks for sharing what works for you. I'm getting really excited!!!

Zer, I just got a look at your mind-blowing stats. You've come a long way, baby! And I am in awe of you.

And if you can stick with a plan (or plans) long enough to come down that far, I KNOW you can go all the way. It is just a matter of finding what works the best and I hope that JUDDD will do it for you!

[maizenbluebabe]

Jennifer, I wish I could help you with the picture problem but I wonder if some of the help forums explaining the website and how it works might have some information about re-formatting or posting a picture. I know that oveer at the IF thread, some of those gals have posted pix in the past that take up a whole post screen so they are big. But I dont know how they did it .

I really would love to see your friend now in her Size 4 persona .

[shunsweets]

EmandM Great news! I'm so happy for you!

Leo Hope your problem works out and you can continue with JUDDD.

Reading the IF/WF discussion with interest. As many of you know I've been pleased to find my BGL's stay stable on DD and I only eat one small meal at dinner time. My blood sugar is more unstable on UD but the less frequently I eat the less problems with insulin rush/low blood sugar/high blood sugar. I am thinking for diet controlled diabetics like me that IF might be a great tool, I don't think it would be safe or effective for those on meds. I'm in maintenance so I see no need for waterfasting at this point (except for spiritual purposes - I sometimes do a weekend retreat of fasting, meditation, and prayer). I feel like Kisha that there is a danger in going and staying too low cal and low carb. The UD should be high cal/fat/nutrients but having it all as one meal in an IF mode sounds reasonable and maybe helpful. Hmm. So many variables to juggle.

Meanwhile I'm sticking with my exercise program. Finally got outside today for a 4 mile jog. Felt good but hard after a week stuck indoors on the mini tramp. Why does it take so long to get fit but we lose fitness so quickly?

Maizen I had attacks similar to your Mom's throughout my 30's. Thought I was going crazy and was finally diagnosed with low blood sugar - a precursor to diabetes now. The Docs all wanted to give me valium or antidepressants and I was so relieved when the actual problem was finally identified. I do have some social anxiety as I am painfully shy, but low blood sugar is a whole different type of feeling with shakes, sweats, fainting, and a feeling of impending death or doom - really horrible! When it happens now(much less often) I can easily deal with it knowing what it is. Amazing what we can control with diet.

Happy JUDDDing everybody.

[Ilpirata]

While some choose to combine JUDD with other approaches such as intermittent fasting, JUDD itself does not include fasting periods within its basic framework. JUDD recommends replacement meal shakes on DD with no restriction on when they are eaten and no reccomendation to wait until late in the day to consume them. I just want to state this so that newbies, lurkers, and the curious don't get confused or put off by our talk about different tweaks and approaches beyond the JUDD basic plan.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

While some choose to combine JUDD with other approaches such as intermittent fasting, JUDD itself does not include fasting periods within its basic framework. JUDD recommends replacement meal shakes on DD with no restriction on when they are eaten and no reccomendation to wait until late in the day to consume them. I just want to state this so that newbies, lurkers, and the curious don't get confused or put off by our talk about different tweaks and approaches beyond the JUDD basic plan.

excellent point Kisha, I know it must be confusing for those not familiar with the plan to see us saying we follow it and then in the next breath admitting we are modifying it in some odd-soundng way. Classic JUDDD works very well for many people and stands on its own as an excellent source of better health as well as a good way to lose weight consistently. It is very straight-forward and much simpler than some of us make it sound.

We low carbers and JUDDDers are a big bunch of tweakers, that's for sure.

[wallaby]

I agree that as with any diet, you should try it as written first before tweaking. I would not start out an alternate day diet with water fast and IF. For me, it's something that just sort of evolved naturally.

Zer, your weight loss is amazing! All LC?

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by WHIRLYBIRD

I know, I'm still trying to figure out how I can add it.
I don't have photoshop or a program to help me resize it.
I'm waiting on someone to give me a clue on how to do this.
Jennifer

Try opening the photo in Paint on your computer. Then go to the Resize/reskew option. Set the percentage at something like 70%/70% and it should shrink it for you.

[mammapo]

well, today ended up being a slightly over 500 calorie day... boohiss.... but I did some excercise which brought it slightly under 500... huzzah... so I'm not sure whether to count this as a DD or a MD. Anyone?

[Ilpirata]

you're so cute mammapo! lol "boohiss...huzzah...LOL"

[Ilpirata]

I'm going to post them to put a period on today's eating.

Calories 319
Fat 25.3 225 71 %
Carbohydrate 2.5 10 3 %
Dietary Fiber 0.3
Protein 20.6 84 26 %
Alcohol 0.0 0 0 %

It was two eggs cooked in pam
1 square inch of blue cheese
1/4 of a slice of cheddar cheese
a few bites of SPROUTS (weird right?)

I wasn't feeling hungry today (amazing) so I didn't eat until after work which happened to be about six pm today.

I've been on a good roll with a couple of consecutive good down days.. I think I'll weigh myself tomorrow. here's hoping and praying for a new low low!

[wallaby]

Kisha you did great! I ended up blowing it a bit later in the evening when DH came home and had his dinner and I lost my head for a minute and had some with him (I really really need to get into habit of entering foods on ****** BEFORE I eat them) .

I think I'm going to try an MD today or another DD if I can swing it. I have a big b-day party for several family members coming up on Sunday so I don't want to start creeping up on calories before that. And I do not want to skip dinner or have to explain my WOE to anyone on Sunday.

So far, the only people who know I'm doing this are on this board!

[Buffy45]

If any of you have read The Carbohydract Addicts Diet books by Rachael Heller, the way she initially lost her weight was by eating one meal a day, within one hour, and eating a dessert with it. By keeping it withing an hour, it keeps your insulin more stable, or something like that. It has been a long time since I read it.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Buffy45

If any of you have read The Carbohydract Addicts Diet books by Rachael Heller, the way she initially lost her weight was by eating one meal a day, within one hour, and eating a dessert with it. By keeping it withing an hour, it keeps your insulin more stable, or something like that. It has been a long time since I read it.

I read CAD a long time ago, too, Buffy, and that's what I also recall from Dr Heller--Interestingly, this general conclusion is also the basis for Dr Bert Herring's Fast Five plan. He says that eating your whole day's allowance of food within a 5 hour window "rests" the body's "whole chemical/digestive system" (my words, not his) and allows your blood sugar/insulin to remain stable and not under attack as it is when we are constantly shoving food down our gullets. (A theory Dr Johnson also shares) And of course, it's the stability of the bs/insulin metabolism that helps with weight loss on these plans--especially for those of us who are sensitive to simple carbs.

Funny isnt it that all we human beings look so much alike on the outside and yet are so astonishingly different in the individual ways our bodies react to activity and everything we eat and drink. No wonder it's so often said that we are like snowflakes.

[retroworx]

I see some talk here of "moderate" days on the JUDDD plan but don't recall reading about these in the book. Can someone tell me more about them? Thanks!

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by wallaby

And I do not want to skip dinner or have to explain my WOE to anyone on Sunday.

So far, the only people who know I'm doing this are on this board!

WE PROMISE NOT TO TELL, wallaby! (And a lot of us are in the same boat.)

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

I'm going to post them to put a period on today's eating.

Calories 319
Fat 25.3 225 71 %
Carbohydrate 2.5 10 3 %
Dietary Fiber 0.3
Protein 20.6 84 26 %
Alcohol 0.0 0 0 %

It was two eggs cooked in pam
1 square inch of blue cheese
1/4 of a slice of cheddar cheese
a few bites of SPROUTS (weird right?)

I wasn't feeling hungry today (amazing) so I didn't eat until after work which happened to be about six pm today.

I've been on a good roll with a couple of consecutive good down days.. I think I'll weigh myself tomorrow. here's hoping and praying for a new low low!

Kisha, HUZZAH!

[Ilpirata]

So far, the only people who know I'm doing this are on this board!

I've told some folks.. but I've got my pesky thyroid to blame it on! I'm like "well I HAVE to eat this way or I'd weigh three hundred pounds. Medical condition" lol. but yeah they sure think its weird! Thank god we've got each other.

[Ilpirata]

I see some talk here of "moderate" days on the JUDDD plan but don't recall reading about these in the book. Can someone tell me more about them? Thanks!

weeeeeeeeelllllll..... I'm no expert but I think the "moderate" days are a sort of tweak that some of us have been forced into. Its kind of what you call a DD that turned out alot higher cal than you wanted... but not nearly enough cals to be an UD. I've had what was supposed to be a DD turn into about 1000 cals. So thats not an UD but its not DD either. I just do either UD or DD the very next day. Others do their own tweaks. But the way the plan is written I think its important to truly aim for UD followed by DD followed by UD etc. and not go over cals on DD and not eat too far under cals on UD.

[Ilpirata]

203!!!!!!!!!
*woot*

I've glimpsed 203.5 before since starting JUDD but this morning it was a solid and convincing 203. yay. the scale is moving down. SO SLOWLY but thats how it is for me and I'm feeling pretty good. Another month maybe I'll be in ONEderland!

[Buffy45]

Yay Kisha, I know how hard you have worked for that solid 203!!!

[jgw]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

203!!!!!!!!!
*woot*

I've glimpsed 203.5 before since starting JUDD but this morning it was a solid and convincing 203. yay. the scale is moving down. SO SLOWLY but thats how it is for me and I'm feeling pretty good. Another month maybe I'll be in ONEderland!

Great! KUTGW!!!