JohnsonAlternateDayDiet/JUDDD Jan 2009

[Ilpirata]

You-all are confessing LINDA SUE? FOOD PORN? THE FOOD CHANNEL? CLEOCHATRA? Lord have mercy--this is truely dangerous living! I am sure that Jacques Pepin cant be far away! Be strong my friends, you can lick this addiction to The Dark Side if you really try.

What if you found out that I just spent twenty minutes filling up a shopping cart on netrition? For an order I will probably never PLACE!?!?! Just for the sheer torture... err, joy of looking at all of the food?

thank god we've got you hooked on us or you might ditch us!

[shunsweets]

QuandriaHope I'm not too late to wish you a great time! It's freezing here. You chose a perfect week.

Mammapo I've gotten hooked on ****** since starting this plan too. It helps me to see evrything plotted out. Just hope I don't get compulsive about it.

Kisha ooo - food porn. I'm hooked on the food channel, but I need all the help I can get with cooking so that may be a good thing.

Maizen Your scallops sounded so good. Yes you have fallen in with the wrong crowd here. Seems we have a bunch of visual processors and foodies (me included). You are stuck with us now.

Donia, jgw, kate You are all doing great. Really mastering the DD quickly. Kate I exercise most days be they UD or DD. Actually usually feel best on DD which I find weird.

Leo41 I'm trying to listen to my body but I can't trust it - it asks for carbs! Got to keep telling it no! And whoever mentioned cereal - now that's food porn to me - I loved it. I'm amazed that my DD totals have dropped like yours, but boy do I eat on UD!

Ocean Glad to see you! Your beautiful avatar picture always makes me smile.

Debi Isn't work the pits. I hate that it takes so much of my life and strenghth and whoever thought we could keep this up until age 66 must not have had a hard job. At least if we get healthy and fit it will make everything easier.

zer I love your posts. So have you officially started yet - no matter stay with us!

Today is UD for me. Good because I felt hungry and ate a lot. Tomorrow will have to be an UD too as we have a lunch date with our daughter and granddaughters. I'll try for moderate but I never seem to manage it. So I guess I'll make Fri a DD and start again from there.

Hello to all. I think we have the best thread on the web and enjoy each and every post.

[skeeweeaka]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

it's funny you mention the bowl of cereal as a temptation--my DH often has it as a before-bed snack and it is sooo tempting to me, because he always has the granola stuff with nuts and raisins and lots of carbs and I used to love it.

And when I gave in, I was ALWAYS "up" the next day and hated myself. So like you I have learned to know it's a mistake to even think about A Bowl of Cereal and it's why I have psyched myself into a frame of mind of saying publicly "I dont eat anything after dinner." and doing my all-out damndest to stick with it

Please let me join you in patting yourself on the back for not undoing your great day!




you got me thinking with this remark, TJ, and this little sentence is worth a lot in sheer wisdom. With JUDDD, tomorrow can always be a better day in one way or another, especially if we have slipped a bit or not gotten the results we want--we dont have to be discouraged because we know that tomorrow can always be a "better day" if we just hang in there. ( And even if it isnt better in terms of what the scale says, it can still be better in some other important way if we just have faith in ourselves. )

Maize...That's the beauty in this program, as I see it, and it is that "better day" approach that gives me hope and keeps me moving forward toward better health in 09! It truly feels like I'm starting over every other day....AND I LIKE THAT!

You guys are funny talking about the food porn. I was laughing my head off thinking about it...On the DD's, if I'm not focused, I do start thinking only about food... Getting my water in on those days seems to help a lot!

I also saw that book about the QOD food plan on Amazon when doing a search on JUDDD...so I, too, have been trying to focus on the healthy foods on my up days...some days even throwing in some complex carbs but watching my portion sizes.

DD for me today and I did fairly well... Had a balanced meal and was happy with that! Well I am back to my 215 preholiday weight as per the doctor's office... So I was excited about that. Now I'm hoping that I can lose an additional 5 pounds for this month...ambitious for me...so we'll see!

Congrats on those who have lost weight and/or inches... I really do enjoy this program! Thanks for starting the thread!


TJ

[kater422]

Made it through the 2nd DD. It wasn't as easy as the first one... I am not sure how much I ate because I had a business meeting at lunch and didn't have a choice about what I ate. It was cobb salad with yummy grilled chicken on it. I ate the chicken, lettuce, tomatoes, dressing and a little of the blue cheese. I didn't eat the avodado or the bacon. I don't think I did too bad (no bread!). I was starving when I got home from work and had a few slices of deli roast beef. I am hungry right now but tomorrow is a UD and I can eat! I will wait.

Good night everyone.

Kate

[donia]

Yay, Kate! You did really well! I, on the other hand, caved a bit yesterday and it turned in to a moderate day. I think I'm just going to have a down day today and stick to it and go from there. I wish I had more will power!

[Zer]

I'm just a lurker here, but... may I ask why you dodged some foods that I'm almost sure are LC - as I count avocado, bacon, blue cheese as good LC choices for any day's eating. Wondering why you dodged these while eating carbier lettuce and tomato and a dressing that was surely carbalicious. Even on a DD, I'd think twice about choosing as you did. Just asking, as I lurk.

All in all you did great! Always a challenge, picking LC food from a catered array. Dodging bread deserves an ATTAGAL! That's worth a cheer!

Originally Posted by kater422

Made it through the 2nd DD. It wasn't as easy as the first one.... I am not sure how much I ate because I had a business meeting at lunch and didn't have a choice about what I ate. It was cobb salad with yummy grilled chicken on it. I ate the chicken, lettuce, tomatoes, dressing and a little of the blue cheese. I didn't eat the avodado or the bacon. I don't think I did too bad (no bread!). I was starving when I got home from work and had a few slices of deli roast beef. I am hungry right now but tomorrow is a UD and I can eat! I will wait.

Kate, deli roast beast tastes so much better than plain home-cooked beast that I am almost sure it is loaded with carby seasoning and worse (sugars). But I too have resorted to deli meats in a pinch, figuring it beats anything in a crinkly wrapper when I am caught up in raging hunger and being driven by my Feast Beast. Kudos on dodging the bread, but what am I missing on the decision to eat vegie carbs and leave protein-fat choices that I rate as better for a LC plan?

[kater422]

Originally Posted by Zer

I'm just a lurker here, but... may I ask why you dodged some foods that I'm almost sure are LC - as I count avocado, bacon, blue cheese as good LC choices for any day's eating. Wondering why you dodged these while eating carbier lettuce and tomato and a dressing that was surely carbalicious. Even on a DD, I'd think twice about choosing as you did. Just asking, as I lurk.

Hi, Zer. I am new to this but as I understand it the DD are all about calories not LC. I am trying to steer toward LC but the focus yesterday was on calories. The bacon and avocado are high in calories. The dressing was a vinagarette - maybe it was high in calories? I wanted some fat (the oil). Thinking about it now, I should have just asked for some olive oil....

Kate

[kater422]

I woke up this morning at 2:30 and felt wide awake/wired/hungry. Yesterday it was 4:00 a.m. Anyone else have this problem?

Today is second UD.

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by Zer

I'm just a lurker here, but... may I ask why you dodged some foods that I'm almost sure are LC - as I count avocado, bacon, blue cheese as good LC choices for any day's eating. Wondering why you dodged these while eating carbier lettuce and tomato and a dressing that was surely carbalicious. Even on a DD, I'd think twice about choosing as you did. Just asking, as I lurk.

All in all you did great! Always a challenge, picking LC food from a catered array. Dodging bread deserves an ATTAGAL! That's worth a cheer! Kate, deli roast beast tastes so much better than plain home-cooked beast that I am almost sure it is loaded with carby seasoning and worse (sugars). But I too have resorted to deli meats in a pinch, figuring it beats anything in a crinkly wrapper when I am caught up in raging hunger and being driven by my Feast Beast. Kudos on dodging the bread, but what am I missing on the decision to eat vegie carbs and leave protein-fat choices that I rate as better for a LC plan?

Zer,

JUDDD primarily focuses on calories, with a lot of freedom for determination as to how many/few grams of carb/fat/protein one wants to eat. The emphasis on down days, from what I understand, is on nutrient density.

When someone, like kate, is trying to make a decision about what to eat for satiety, lettuce (per cup = 10 calories, 0 net carbs) may be a better decision than avocado (per cup= 240 calories, 2.5 net carbs) or blue cheese ( per cup = 400 calories, 0 net carbs), simply because she can have a ton of it and not go over her calorie limits. LG Vegetables in general tend to be great because they offer a ton of nutrients without a ton of calories. The side benefit is that they tend to be lower in carbs.

A lot of us came from a LC background - I was an Atkid for years back in the early 90s. Some people still incorporate carb counting into this WOE, which is perfectly fine. And some don't - which is also okay. I've observed that many of us from a LC background find it really hard to: a) readjust the emphasis from carbs to calories and b) avoid insisting everyone do a strict LC WOE for JUDDD.

You'll find this group has everyone from HC to LC on it, and each person makes the determination what side of the scale of carb grams per day they feel comfortable. One thing we ALL haev in common, though, is calorie counting on DDs. This is absolutely vital for the plan to work. Especially for those using the program for weight loss.

One reason why kate chose lettuce and tomatoes etc was because the (hefty, restaurant) meal, with all the goodies probably weighed in between 400-800 calories. By omitting the avocado, bacon, etc, she would reduce the calories to (roughly) 300 and she would be able to eat something later in the day (a few slices of meat).

For more information on JUDDD please go ahead and read the information on his website - it's good stuff and quite clear.

naomi

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by kater422

Hi, Zer. I am new to this but as I understand it the DD are all about calories not LC. I am trying to steer toward LC but the focus yesterday was on calories. The bacon and avocado are high in calories. The dressing was a vinagarette - maybe it was high in calories? I wanted some fat (the oil). Thinking about it now, I should have just asked for some olive oil....

Kate

Kate, you probably did well to pick the vinagarette.

your dressing was probably 1/4 c (based on typical restaurant servings) and probably contained 160 calories and 16g of fat

If you'd gotten olive oil, the same amoutn of olive oil would have weighed in at a whopping 480 calories and 56g of fat!!!

You'd have had to stick with one measly tbsp of oil for the whole salad, which wouldn't have satisfied you.

Good Call, IMO.

[Zer]

Ah, thank for helping me catch on. Counting calories. Nutrient density. DDs focus on calorie counting, with some leaning toward water fasting on DDs.

Originally Posted by mammapo

JUDDD primarily focuses on calories, with a lot of freedom for determination as to how many/few grams of carb/fat/protein one wants to eat.

The emphasis on down days, from what I understand, is on nutrient density.

When someone, like kate, is trying to make a decision about what to eat for satiety, lettuce (per cup = 10 calories, 0 net carbs) may be a better decision than avocado (per cup= 240 calories, 2.5 net carbs) or blue cheese (per cup = 400 calories, 0 net carbs), simply because she can have a ton of it and not go over her calorie limits. LG Vegetables in general tend to be great because they offer a ton of nutrients without a ton of calories. The side benefit is that they tend to be lower in carbs.

A lot of us came from a LC background - I was an Atkid for years back in the early 90s. Some people still incorporate carb counting into this WOE, which is perfectly fine. And some don't - which is also okay.

I've observed that many of us from a LC background find it really hard to:
a) readjust the emphasis from carbs to calories and
b) avoid insisting everyone do a strict LC WOE for JUDDD.

You'll find this group has everyone from HC to LC on it, and each person makes the determination what side of the scale of carb grams per day they feel comfortable.

One thing we ALL have in common, though, is calorie counting on DDs. This is absolutely vital for the plan to work. Especially for those using the program for weight loss.

One reason why kate chose lettuce and tomatoes etc was because the (hefty, restaurant) meal, with all the goodies probably weighed in between 400-800 calories. By omitting the avocado, bacon, etc, she would reduce the calories to (roughly) 300 and she would be able to eat something later in the day (a few slices of meat).

For more information on JUDDD please go ahead and read the information on his website - it's good stuff and quite clear.

naomi

Thank you. I'll keep on lurking. I'm also reading at website as a way of getting fundamentals locked in. Meanwhile, I'm grateful for help in understanding what I read here at this thread. Good point that restaurant portions are abundant, with plenty of room to pick and choose for a fair portion to satisfy a person on a DD!

[Zer]

Vinagrette is always a better choice - for calories and for flavor. I like piquant and appreciate what vinegar does to bring out flavors in vegies.

Originally Posted by kater422

Hi, Zer. I am new to this but as I understand it the DD are all about calories not LC. I am trying to steer toward LC but the focus yesterday was on calories. The bacon and avocado are high in calories.

The dressing was a vinagarette - maybe it was high in calories? I wanted some fat (the oil). Thinking about it now, I should have just asked for some olive oil.

Kate

Nope. I think you chose wisely - for flavor and calories too! I'm a huge fan of vinegar - from cider vinegar to balsamic vinegar. A great way to tweak flavors, excite a metabolism, flavor my daily water quota!

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by Zer

Vinagrette is always a better choice - for calories and for flavor. I like piquant and appreciate what vinegar does to bring out flavors in vegies. Nope. I think you chose wisely - for flavor and calories too! I'm a huge fan of vinegar - from cider vinegar to balsamic vinegar. A great way to tweak flavors, excite a metabolism, flavor my daily water quota!

amen to that! Vinegar is a gift!

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by Zer

Ah, thank for helping me catch on. Counting calories. Nutrient density. DDs focus on calorie counting, with some leaning toward water fasting on DDs. Thank you. I'll keep on lurking. I'm also reading at website as a way of getting fundamentals locked in. Meanwhile, I'm grateful for help in understanding what I read here at this thread. Good point that restaurant portions are abundant, with plenty of room to pick and choose for a fair portion to satisfy a person on a DD!

No problem! Everyone here is positive and quite kind, and always willing to teach. Glad to 'meet' another Learner. Wish there were more of us in the world!

[jgw]

I made it through my DD yesterday. Kind of disappointed because I am up 2 pounds since Tuesday. I had Chicken broth yesterday and I hope it's just the sodium.
Up day to and I'm afraid to eat.
Later ladies. have a great day!

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by Zer

Ah, thank for helping me catch on. Counting calories. Nutrient density. DDs focus on calorie counting, with some leaning toward water fasting on DDs. Thank you. I'll keep on lurking. I'm also reading at website as a way of getting fundamentals locked in. Meanwhile, I'm grateful for help in understanding what I read here at this thread. Good point that restaurant portions are abundant, with plenty of room to pick and choose for a fair portion to satisfy a person on a DD!

Hi Zer:

I'm keeping an eye on this plan (while not yet participating) as well and I can see that these JUDDDers have a fine line to walk re calories vs carbs on their DDs.

I find I have similar challenges on my current very low calorie plan -- while my overall carbs may remain low (20-30 net), they wind up being a fairly large PERCENTAGE of my daily nutrients because of the low cal trade-offs I have to make thruout my day. (Generally, the lower the fat (calories) the higher the carb percentage, as you know.)

I admit I fret over this percentage thing a bit.

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by jgw

I made it through my DD yesterday. Kind of disappointed because I am up 2 pounds since Tuesday. I had Chicken broth yesterday and I hope it's just the sodium.
Up day to and I'm afraid to eat.
Later ladies. have a great day!

Stick with it - I was up after my first WEEK, but I'm not going anywhere. The body is in shock and will eventually let go of the water!

naomi

[Ilpirata]

SO HAPPY to be back on track after my last DD turned into a MD.

Here's my totals for yesterday:
Calories 465
Fat 31.6 281 60 %
Carbohydrate 7.3 28 6 %
Dietary Fiber 0.8
Protein 38.1 156 34 %
Alcohol 0.0 0 0 %


I just aim to stay under 500 so I'm really happy with those results. Man those carbs are low though! I usually eat more vegetables but was literally only home for twenty minutes yesterday so I just had three scrambled eggs cooked in pam topped with 2 oz of melted cheese and 3 tbs of salsa. I don't like to go that low on carbs and should be aiming for 35-40 today on my UD.

OMG, how rad is it to wake up on the morning after DD for BREAKFAST!?!?! When I was doing the BMR eating I really retrained myself to eat brekky and now I just love it on my UDs when I get to eat something totally NOM NOM NOM after a succesful low cal/carb day the day before.

[jgw]

Originally Posted by mammapo

Stick with it - I was up after my first WEEK, but I'm not going anywhere. The body is in shock and will eventually let go of the water!

naomi

Thanks Naomi. Cute name!

[maizenbluebabe]

are we a great bunch of learners and teachers, or what!

For me, the awesome benefit of a group like this is its breadth of thought. I mean, if someone who is stalled reads something here that is kind of off-beat and it is a different approach for them, it may help them to break a stall to try something a bit different even though it may not be a regular part of "Dr Johnson's rules."

I think we all learned a lot of valuable information from the exchanges and explanations coming out of Zer and Mammapo regarding counting calories vs counting carbs.

I myself am a carb-counter and continue to do that even when keeping an eye on my calories. It is sticking to low carbs that make my DownDays possible. Because of my odd, tho not diabetic, blood sugar reactions, I cant get away with counting calories alone--have to avoid all carbs except for salad type stuff and "green things"

I looked at some of the QOD sites and comments. Think it sounds a bit more complicated than JUDDD although it is clear that is is very effective for some. But for me, one of the great advantages of Dr Johnson's method is that it is so simple and easy to do once I got into the rhythm of it again. So unless I stop getting results with JUDDD, I reckon I will just stick with that.

This is a DD for me--I've had coffee with cream, am about to have a cup of green tea and will now wait until early evening to finish off my calories. Probably an omelette and a little bit of salad for fiber.

Have a super JUDDD today, everyone.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

SO HAPPY to be back on track after my last DD turned into a MD.

Here's my totals for yesterday:
Calories 465
Fat 31.6 281 60 %
Carbohydrate 7.3 28 6 %
Dietary Fiber 0.8
Protein 38.1 156 34 %
Alcohol 0.0 0 0 %


I just aim to stay under 500 so I'm really happy with those results.

OK, Kisha, THIS is so upbeat--and such a great example for all of us.

You are now fully forgiven for using the F word ("failed")

[Ilpirata]

You are now fully forgiven for using the F word ("failed")

LMAO... and STRIKING it from the lexicon.

[Leo41]

More on calories and carbs--

I've counted calories even before JUDDD, basically because I need extreme calorie restriction to lose. I also low carb, both for health and to control my appetite (make DD possible!), but hypothyroids are advised to avoid extreme low carb and I've never been happy eliminating things like beans, lentils, brown rice completely.

So I've been experimenting with adding in a little of these "good" carbs. Last week, I made a pot of lentil soup (boiled ham bones, onion, garlic, celery--strained and took off fat, boiled lentils in this broth, added chopped spinach) to have on UDs. So far, I haven't seen any significant increase in appetite in having this soup (basically lentils and spinach) for lunch on two different UDs.

I want to emphasize eating healthy and getting enough protein (to avoid muscle wasting with low calorie). That's why I keep shakes in my diet--they provide a lot of protein for few calories.

I think that the beauty of JUDDD is that allows the individual to adapt any eating plan to it without difficulty. I know that I can have "anything" on my UD, and that is so liberating that I don't feel inclined to overeat at all!

[caramel]

Hello everyone,
Today is a UD for me and yesterday was an easy DD finishing my calories at 530. Today I had lc pancakes made from carbquick because my children wanted regular pancakes so I didn't want to get tempted. jgw I had a weight gain after a DD day a few weeks ago, I know now it was the sodium in the soup plus the salt I added but I quickly flushed it out with plenty of water and vitamin c. Hope you all are having good DD and UD. Well see you guys later.

[jgw]

Originally Posted by caramel

Hello everyone,
Today is a UD for me and yesterday was an easy DD finishing my calories at 530. Today I had lc pancakes made from carbquick because my children wanted regular pancakes so I didn't want to get tempted. jgw I had a weight gain after a DD day a few weeks ago, I know now it was the sodium in the soup plus the salt I added but I quickly flushed it out with plenty of water and vitamin c. Hope you all are having good DD and UD. Well see you guys later.

Carmel I think it's water weight, the soup was quick and I will prepare better for my DD tomorrow.

[maizenbluebabe]

Caution: odd-sounding recipe follows:

Here's something I love--it's low calorie, high protein, low carb. (Watch the sodium in the broth, though) (I usually thin out Swanson's reduced sodium broth with some powdered NO-sodium chicken bouillon in water)

This will probably sound nuts and you have to tweak it to your own tastes but, odd as it sounds, it is very good and satisfying and didnt cause me any weight gain or cravings. (Not cheap, either, but my DH doesnt like seafood so this makes a good meal if he is eating out and I am home alone.)

In a stainless steel skillet, simmer some frozen scallops (add a few peeled frozen shrimp if you want; I did) in a mixture of low-sodium chicken broth and a tad of dry white wine (just enough to cover.) Put in a little butter for flavoring, some garlic & herb powder, a T of lemon juice, and a handfull or two of frozen chopped broccoli. When the scallops and shrimp are tender, and the broccoli is cooked but still crisp, put the stuff in a soup bowl and enjoy. It was so good on a cold winter's night and so filling.

I didnt put it into ****** so cant give any nutritional figures, but had some on a DD earlier this week for my one meal of the day and still lost .4 by that next AM's weigh-in. (I have to admit, scallops are a real addiction for me, and when I go to Maine in the summer, practically live on them fresh from Passamaquoddy Bay.)

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by caramel

Hello everyone,
Today is a UD for me and yesterday was an easy DD finishing my calories at 530. Today I had lc pancakes made from carbquick because my children wanted regular pancakes so I didn't want to get tempted. jgw I had a weight gain after a DD day a few weeks ago, I know now it was the sodium in the soup plus the salt I added but I quickly flushed it out with plenty of water and vitamin c. Hope you all are having good DD and UD. Well see you guys later.

on having the carbquick pancakes for your little ones and avoiding temptation, Caramel!

A PET PEEVE OF MINE: I see you and Janice are both sensitive to sodium like I am. I dont understand these stupid food companies who make stuff they push as "low-calorie: and "healthy" and then absolutely load their products with sodium. WHO needs 970 mgs of sodium (or even 1,200) per serving?

Someone ought to hold a gun to those CEO's heads and force them to eat/drink that crap for several days until they blow up like a circus balloon!

[EmandM]

I haven't read any of your posts yet, I will catch up tonight. yesterday I had my first (and hopefully my last) migraine. It happened in the middle of teaching and I was so sick I threw up 6 times (sorry if this is TMI). I had to be driven home (Dh had to come and get the van to pick up the girls and leave his car at my school)! Once I got home I crawled upstairs and napped for an hour and a half. I woke up totally fine (just groggy from the gravol I took)! I was starving and I inhaled 4 pieces of double pepperoni pizza (thank goodness it was an UD)! i was sure I would be up a ton this morning, but nope. Only up .6 pounds so I am a happy camper!

I will read and respond to you all tonight!

[jgw]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

Caution: odd-sounding recipe follows:

Here's something I love--it's low calorie, high protein, low carb. (Watch the sodium in the broth, though) (I usually thin out Swanson's reduced sodium broth with some powdered NO-sodium chicken bouillon in water)

This will probably sound nuts and you have to tweak it to your own tastes but, odd as it sounds, it is very good and satisfying and didnt cause me any weight gain or cravings. (Not cheap, either, but my DH doesnt like seafood so this makes a good meal if he is eating out and I am home alone.)

In a stainless steel skillet, simmer some frozen scallops (add a few peeled frozen shrimp if you want; I did) in a mixture of low-sodium chicken broth and a tad of dry white wine (just enough to cover.) Put in a little butter for flavoring, some garlic & herb powder, a T of lemon juice, and a handfull or two of frozen chopped broccoli. When the scallops and shrimp are tender, and the broccoli is cooked but still crisp, put the stuff in a soup bowl and enjoy. It was so good on a cold winter's night and so filling.

I didnt put it into ****** so cant give any nutritional figures, but had some on a DD earlier this week for my one meal of the day and still lost .4 by that next AM's weigh-in. (I have to admit, scallops are a real addiction for me, and when I go to Maine in the summer, practically live on them fresh from Passamaquoddy Bay.)

Wow, sounds yummy. Yea I hear you on the broth. I will not do that again.

[jgw]

Originally Posted by maizenbluebabe

on having the carbquick pancakes for your little ones and avoiding temptation, Caramel!

A PET PEEVE OF MINE: I see you and Janice are both sensitive to sodium like I am. I dont understand these stupid food companies who make stuff they push as "low-calorie: and "healthy" and then absolutely load their products with sodium. WHO needs 970 mgs of sodium (or even 1,200) per serving?

Someone ought to hold a gun to those CEO's heads and force them to eat/drink that crap for several days until they blow up like a circus balloon!

I agree, there is so much sodium in foods, and the so call healthy packages foods have a very high content of sodium.