JohnsonAlternateDayDiet/JUDDD Jan 2009

[Quandria]

Originally Posted by Quandria

Yes, I definitely have a hard time getting in all my up day calories while eating healthy. I added in a good size helping of raw organic nuts and I also use healthy oils on up days and avocados. I don't eat fruit on DOWN days - so there's lots of that on the up days, and beans and higher-carb vegetables help. Dr. Johnson says you don't have to eat all your up day calories; but for me personally I see better weight loss if I get them in.

Let me amend that to say "but for me personally, I see better weight loss if I get them (enough up day calories) in from healthy (okay, at least semi-healthy) sources, and I still try to get my carbs in earlier in the day rather than later".

And while I'm no fan of the big 'ol meal right before bed, I am not afraid to eat within 2 hours of bedtime if I'm hungry or if I don't feel like I'm ready for the down day that's coming up tomorrow.

Today is a down day for me, and it's 4:30 and so far has been a water fast. I'm not sure yet if I'll have dinner or just leave it as a water fast. I have to workout tonight, so I guess I'll gauge how I feel when I get home from work at 6:00 and have a salmon burger on a piece of Ezekiel bread if I feel like it and have nothing if I don't feel like it. So far hunger hasn't been an issue at all today - had 96 ounces of tea (I make it in a 24oz sports bottle- just add another bag each time - so I can always tell if I've had enough to drink by counting the teabags ).

Sorry for the excessive posting today - our Receptionist is out today and I've been stuck at her desk with nothing to do! Still, me me me, I I I.... Hope you don't all think I'm completely self-obsessed, I'm really not!!

[Leo41]

I am doing JUDDD for the calorie restriction (i.e., it's the only way I can lose). Trying to do 1000c every day made me crazy and prone to binges, so I love having the DD/UD split.

However, I try not to eat to my limit on UD (I think it's too high for me because I'm hypothyroid). I also try to eat as healthily as possible--fish, veggies, olive oil. The UD gives me an opportunity to add some nuts and a glass of wine with dinner to my basically low carb meals. It's satisfying but I'm about 600 cal below my limit for the day most times.

I'm seeing the scale move slowly downward for the first time in a while, but since I only began this plan in mid-Dec., it's too soon to tell if it will allow me to lose steadily.

[Ilpirata]

I'm seeing the scale move slowly downward for the first time in a while, but since I only began this plan in mid-Dec., it's too soon to tell if it will allow me to lose steadily.

That is so rad! Any loss when hypO is something to celebrate. I really hope this works long term and all the way to GOAL.

[shunsweets]

Quandria You're not self absorbed - you're so helpful and responsive to everybody. We love you post as much as you can. I love it when I recheck our thread and find a few new posts!

Leo I'm like you - everyday calorie restriction drove me nuts and eventually led to binging on something too carby and sending BGL's soaring. JUDDD works so much better for me.

DebiMamapo I don't think you need to force in calories. Maybe cut down volume foods and go for compact high cal foods? It's awful to feel overfull!

Ocean, Debi, Maizen Thanks for the good wishes on DH. I'm so relieved!

Ilpirata You're right hypothyroid makes it all so much harder. It's like your metabolism is fighting you every step of the way and you have to keep it guessing.

I only ended up at 600 cals today so tomorrow will be UD and I'll stay on pattern. Don't think I'll be running, it's supposed to rain/sleet/snow all day.

Goodnight JUDDDers. Talk to you in the morning.

[mammapo]

I'm relatively sure I'm borderline hypO. I say that because even though my tests came back within normal range, my family has a history of confirmed and my body temperature is ALWAYS low (96.7 is 'normal' for me... and if my core temp dips - like it always does in the winter - I canNOT warm up), it's next to impossible for me to really lose weight, even though I usually eat a 'perfect' diet, and and and...

Anywhoodles.

I finally got the last bit of calories in with a glass of non dairy milk. I just can't think about the last 110 calories, so I'm giving myself a break. Maybe mystomach really is shrinking - two days ago (first upday) I don't remember being stuffed to sickness, and I certainly got all my calories in.

Hrm.

I suppose as we lose weight our updays should go down calorically? How often are we supposed to check that?

I'm off to have some hot tea and hit the hay soon.

Naomi

Today here are my Upday stats:
Totals: 1,814 calories 94% RJUDDDV
87g fat 133%RDV
1,330mg sodium 55%RDV
232 g carbs 77%RDV
83g sugars
20f fiber
120g protein 240% protein



The overall calories are okay, not sure about the rest.

I'm actually glad to be done eating.

[skeeweeaka]

Wow you guys have been busy... So much good information! Happy to hear that everyone is doing so well on the plan!

Personally, I'm having a few problems getting in all of the calories on the UD's. Trying to get in more vegetables than I would normallly eat so hopefully that will help me! I've also tried adding in more complexs carbs for dinner but they seem to just sit in y stomach. I think I'll cut the serving size back and see if that helps. I still haven't gotten on the scale, although I was tempted to do so.

Also happy to hear that this plan is clearing up some health issues. I joined this group because I noticed some of the members were hypo and so am I, and I just needed the support of others who were in a similiar position. It can be very frustrating not losing when you're sticking to the plan! Then again, some days it is hard for me to get in more than two meals so I've got to plan a lot better... Wonder if my body is in starvation mode...although I'm eating about 1500 on my up days.

I have noticed when I fast that I have more energy...and for me that's major... Wonder what's going on with that?? I might try fasting tomorrow since it is Satuday and see how it goes...water...water...water...

TJ

[Quandria]

Today ended up at 472 calories consumed, and 524 burned on the treadmill (Gray's Anatomy on the Tivo so I stayed on 55 minutes instead of stopping at 30, yay yay), so I'm calling that good.

I tried some new flatbread/tortillas from Costco, called Flatout Flatbread with flax and they're huge and only 100 calories 2.5 fat, 17 carbs, 8 fiber and 1 gram of sugar. That's not too bad; they're super super filling. The package says they make a great pizza crust, and I can't wait to try that too. I tried the Ezekiel tortillas once or twice and didn't like them so much. These I like, and they're big ovals instead of round. I filled one with some fresh spinach and half a can of tuna and some salsa and little bit of cottage cheese and it was really good and about 270 calories (60 of that was from splurging on the cottage cheese).

Okay time to shower. Goodnight everyone, happy alternating!!

[Leo41]

Naomi-

You may be MORE than "borderline" hypo. I will spare you the extended narrative, but briefly explain that my bloodwork was always in the "normal" range, but I had increasingly severe hypo symptoms. In fact, I eventually had carpal tunnel surgery on both wrists, which I later found out was a symptom of severe hypo (as my endo explained, with severe hypo, all the tendons in the body swell, and the wrist is the only area where there is no place for them to expand). When they did the pre-surgical testing, my heart rate was off-the-chart slow (another hypo signal), but because of my "normal" bloodwork, my PCP kept insisting that I had no thyroid issues (I also had an enlarged thyroid which he dismissed when the ultrasound showed no sign of cancer!).

So I found a body temperature test online that was developed by Dr. Broda Barnes, took the test (10 days duration), and went to an endo on my own with the results. She not only immediately began medicating me but told me that MANY hypo patients present with "normal" bloodwork. The reason for that is because the parameters are generalized to the entire population, and what's "normal" for others may be abnormal for any individual.

When you mentioned your low temperature, that was a red flag to me because that was the symptom that finally got me diagnosed--although I had many more severe symptoms that doctors ignored. By the way, it took me more than 5 years (from the first time I suspected thyroid) to eventual diagnosis. [I suspect they believe that any overweight woman is just looking for an 'excuse.']

If I were you, I'd begin looking for a doctor who understands thyroid issues.

[ravae11]

Just danced through our (wild child and I) third down day/growl day (I call it growl day because I let my tummy signal when it needs to eat and then only give it enough to quiet it.) This is how yesterday went time and food wise.

1egg about 6:30

Egg kept our tummy happy until 11:30, when it let us know it wanted food by growling so I gave it another egg.

At 12 ish we ate a cup of low carb soup

At 2:30 I ate another egg because I had a massage apt. and did not want my tummy visiting with me during my massage.

Waited until about 7 pm for my tummy to growl again. It was quiet but I could fell pangs so we had another bowl of low carb soup.

I feel like we had an A+ day and I’m feeling really skinny and ready for our up day.

The down day is showing me how little food my body can get by on. And letting us really enjoy our up day with no guilt. We’re really enjoying this way of eating. And I’m going to be saving tons on the food bill.

[ravae11]

Originally Posted by Quandria

And while I'm no fan of the big 'ol meal right before bed, I am not afraid to eat within 2 hours of bedtime if I'm hungry or if I don't feel like I'm ready for the down day that's coming up tomorrow.

I can relate.... down days have also given me the gift of being able to eat later in the day, guilt free, on my up day.

I know on one of my last up days my " sweet wild child" (that's the part of me that has good issues was feeling alittle shakey about the next day being a down day; so we ate a small bag of popcorn and a large glass of stevia skim milk to help build SWC confidence. It's must have worked because we danced through the next day.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Leo41

I am doing JUDDD for the calorie restriction (i.e., it's the only way I can lose). Trying to do 1000c every day made me crazy and prone to binges, so I love having the DD/UD split.

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this is a big advantage I find in JUDDD too, as well as doing LC.

Originally Posted by Leo41

However, I try not to eat to my limit on UD (I think it's too high for me because I'm hypothyroid). I also try to eat as healthily as possible--fish, veggies, olive oil. The UD gives me an opportunity to add some nuts and a glass of wine with dinner to my basically low carb meals. It's satisfying but I'm about 600 cal below my limit for the day most times.

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my heart goes out to anyone with throid issues! It is such a complicated thing that most doctors dont even have a handle on it, and I think being hypo must be a real curse against any kind of weight loss.

Originally Posted by Leo41

I'm seeing the scale move slowly downward for the first time in a while, but since I only began this plan in mid-Dec., it's too soon to tell if it will allow me to lose steadily.

I dont blame you for being cautious about the loss, even a slow one, but am really keeping my fingers crossed that this will work for you. You certainly have a great attitude toward weight loss with a health condition which must be very wearing and discouraging at times and we are all rooting for you.

[maizenbluebabe]

yesterday was a DD and I really felt like I had blown it--had THREE Clementines. SO loaded with sugar and I never do anything like that. And had somewhere around 700 estimated calories instead of 500. The fruit gave me hunger pangs so I filled up on water and was very unhappy with myself. But danged if I am not down .4 this AM. Well, maybe the sugar from the Clemmies is lagging and will hit me later and I will go up again, but for now, I will take it and feel like I had a narrow escape.

[Debbi]

I am concerned - I am up again today after my up day -.8. I ate about 1400 calories yesterday - but my last meal was out- 3/4 of bunless burger/1/4 of top of bun/broccoli w/cheese (not much)/coffee w/creamer and 1 swallow of cabernet (tasted bad). I ate later than usual around 6:30 - so that may be it. I sure hope it is not my body revolting again and going upward. Today is a DD I have had Coffee w/creamer and1 black. I am getting ready to exercise although my heart is not into it..........I plan on having yogurt later and soup tonight.

Quandria - I am so grateful for your post about levels in your weight loss - maybe that is what is happening to me.

Shunsweets - I need to eat more whole/low carb/healthier foods. I will concentrate on that for this next week and see what happens on my up days.

I also think I will try to start weighing only on the mornings after my DD as Dr Johnson recommends.

I will post later or tomorrow - home pc is really slow and aggravating.

[mammapo]

Wow. And here I am, thinking I"m just the crazy hypo-Chondriac! LOL. I'll have to look into it.

Originally Posted by Leo41

Naomi-

You may be MORE than "borderline" hypo. I will spare you the extended narrative, but briefly explain that my bloodwork was always in the "normal" range, but I had increasingly severe hypo symptoms. In fact, I eventually had carpal tunnel surgery on both wrists, which I later found out was a symptom of severe hypo (as my endo explained, with severe hypo, all the tendons in the body swell, and the wrist is the only area where there is no place for them to expand). When they did the pre-surgical testing, my heart rate was off-the-chart slow (another hypo signal), but because of my "normal" bloodwork, my PCP kept insisting that I had no thyroid issues (I also had an enlarged thyroid which he dismissed when the ultrasound showed no sign of cancer!).

So I found a body temperature test online that was developed by Dr. Broda Barnes, took the test (10 days duration), and went to an endo on my own with the results. She not only immediately began medicating me but told me that MANY hypo patients present with "normal" bloodwork. The reason for that is because the parameters are generalized to the entire population, and what's "normal" for others may be abnormal for any individual.

When you mentioned your low temperature, that was a red flag to me because that was the symptom that finally got me diagnosed--although I had many more severe symptoms that doctors ignored. By the way, it took me more than 5 years (from the first time I suspected thyroid) to eventual diagnosis. [I suspect they believe that any overweight woman is just looking for an 'excuse.']

If I were you, I'd begin looking for a doctor who understands thyroid issues.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by Debbi

I am concerned - I am up again today after my up day -.8. I ate about 1400 calories yesterday - but my last meal was out- 3/4 of bunless burger/1/4 of top of bun/broccoli w/cheese (not much)/coffee w/creamer and 1 swallow of cabernet (tasted bad). I ate later than usual around 6:30 - so that may be it. I sure hope it is not my body revolting again and going upward. Today is a DD I have had Coffee w/creamer and1


I also think I will try to start weighing only on the mornings after my DD as Dr Johnson recommends.

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Debbi--fear not. I am often up .6 to .8 pounds after an UpDay. Just be patient with yourself and keep on doing what you are doing combining exercise and good DD's. It may take a while for the results to show up regularly--and it always helps me to remember the SIRT1 advantages when my progress seems to be slow or stalled when I get on the scale.

And if your UD results are discouraging (I have learned to roll with the punches on that) you might be wise to try limiting the scale to the morning after a DD like Dr J mentions.

And sometimes when my scale doesnt show success, my clothes fit better so that means I am getting less "fluffy" So even if my numbers arent shrinking, my fat is!

[Leo41]

Debbi-

I don't blame you for being concerned. There's nothing more disheartening than to eat exactly on plan and register no loss or a slight gain. I know; I've been there often!

However, I read once that when the body is faced with a fat loss (which it doesn't like), it often replaces the fat in the cell with water--which weighs more, but this is only temporary. That's why some people will report a large loss (say 5 pounds) in what they think is one day when they've not lost any weight in three weeks. The body has "adjusted" to the loss, but it's been going on all 21 days.

The scientific answer to this is to weigh just once a month--something I am too weak to do! But many, many years ago at age 14, I went on my first diet--completely on my own. My family didn't own a scale, so I used to go down to the local drugstore where they had a big scale and weigh myself there. Since I'd read it was best to weigh only once a month, that's what I did--the first Saturday of every month. And I NEVER saw a gain, only regular losses. And that was very encouraging; I lost 80 pounds in about 6 months! (Of course, that was with an adolescent metabolism:-)

My point is that our too regular weighing can be disheartening because we may be losing, but our body is adjusting and it doesn't "show" yet.

One solution I use is that I weigh on the weekend and record that weight. This way I can judge my weight from week to week regardless of how often I step on the scale due to weakness! And if I don't see a loss in 4 weeks, I know there's a problem somewhere.

[EmandM]

Hi ladies, I've read all of page 9, not caught up on 10 yet.

Shunsweets - I am so incredibly thrilled to hear about DH's test results. Wonderful! It's been a great week for us in the health department!

I am down 3 pounds and my week isn't even over! I am thrilled. I should be able to maintain it too because now that the holiday food and events are over, I won't be having two UD's in a row (where I would gain back my loss and start from square one during the holidays)! lol

I will catch up on the other pages and post personals later.

ETA - I have never felt more liberated in any eating plan before. I am no longer playing the deprivation-then-binge game. This woe puts me in such a good head space in terms of food. For the first time I am not eating junky stuff just because I can and that feels amazing!

[mammapo]

you're right, EmandM,

There's a certain freedom to this way of life. Perhaps because there's nothing 'forbidden' or 'prescribed' on this WOE?? We don't have to worry about how many servings of xyz we 'should' be having or panicking because we had xyz category of food. We can alter this diet to our taste and body type.

On the other diet plan I was on, I had to make sure to schedule my sushi for a day where a serving or two of carbs was allowed. If I didn't get sushi on a Friday, let's say, I was out of luck, and if I didn't want sushi on a friday... I was forced to eat some other starch, because that was my 'starch' day.

This WOE, I literally wake up and say, what do I feel like having today??? TOday's a DD, but I felt like sushi. Plug in the nutrition, according to my software, and voila! I can have 12 pieces of sushi. Plus the hot and sour soup. But if I wanted it tomorrow (my UD), I could have twice that PLUS the sauteed green beans PLUS whatever else floated my boat. It's incredibly freeing for someone like me.

My scale's broken right now, so no idea how this is working for me in terms of weight loss. But in terms of 'head space' I'm incredibly happy.

I dread down days right now (I'm only on my third) because of the hunger, but I am expecting them to get easier.

It's worth it, for the freedom I feel.

[maizenbluebabe]

Originally Posted by EmandM

Hi ladies, I've read all of page 9, not caught up on 10 yet.

Shunsweets - I am so incredibly thrilled to hear about DH's test results. Wonderful! It's been a great week for us in the health department!

I am down 3 pounds and my week isn't even over! I am thrilled. I should be able to maintain it too because now that the holiday food and events are over, I won't be having two UD's in a row (where I would gain back my loss and start from square one during the holidays)! lol

I will catch up on the other pages and post personals later.

ETA - I have never felt more liberated in any eating plan before. I am no longer playing the deprivation-then-binge game. This woe puts me in such a good head space in terms of food. For the first time I am not eating junky stuff just because I can and that feels amazing!

[Zer]

Originally Posted by ravae11

Just danced through ... third down day/growl day (I call it growl day because I let my tummy signal when it needs to eat and then only give it enough to quiet it.)...

What a wonderful way to handle a day when a tummy's growls are met with a HB egg or a bite of protein-fat to fuel the beast, to stop the growling. I'll remember this, on my lean-eating days as I work a 48hr cycle to ease my inflammation issues. Thanks!

[donia]

Hello again, everyone! I am really impressed with how much you all know about eating right and how your own bodies work. I love this group!

I'm on another DD today and I'm pretty happy with it. I've had a vitatop with some strawberries for breakfast and for lunch, it will be iceburg salad with a bit of lemon pepper tuna. I feel much better about this one than the other 2 that I've done.

I just keep telling myself that I need to do this for my health. It's still so hard though.

[OceanDreaming]

Originally Posted by donia

Hello again, everyone! I am really impressed with how much you all know about eating right and how your own bodies work. I love this group!

I'm on another DD today and I'm pretty happy with it. I've had a vitatop with some strawberries for breakfast and for lunch, it will be iceburg salad with a bit of lemon pepper tuna. I feel much better about this one than the other 2 that I've done.

I just keep telling myself that I need to do this for my health. It's still so hard though.

You can eat tomorrow though! Hang in there!

[OceanDreaming]

Good morning all!

Up day for me today, hooray! I've already eaten 1/2 of my daily calories, HA! But I'll be asleep the rest of the day as I work night shift. Just wanted to check in, everyone seems to be doing just GREAT! Have a good weekend fellow Juddd-ites!

[EmandM]

okay, I can respond to those who are still on the page. My kids are napping so I have some time!

Mammapo - yes! Even though I am losing weight and that is great, the best thing about this woe for me has been not obsessing about eating (or not eating). You nailed it about not worrying when I eat something from xyz food group that I wasn't supposed to eat etc. The rules of this woe are not restricting for me, so I don't feel like I am "on" anything. That way I can't fall "off" anything and punish myself by bingeing or hopping to another diet. The psychological benefits of this woe for me has been truly life changing!

Quandria - congrats on the DD and the workout! I used to love Grey's but I don't watch it anymore. I love Lost now and that is pretty much the only show I watch religiously. Are Meredith and Derrick together or apart this season?

Donia - good for you for thinking of it from a health perspective as well as weight. My first few DD's were torture, I swear. But now they are so easy. I go all day without food and sometimes I am still not hungry but I eat just because I want to. I may ease into water fasts on those days. I do get hungry at times on DD's but it goes away quickly and I can easily ignore it. I think of hunger pangs as fat burning weight melting sounds! lol Hang in there you are doing great! And oncedreaming is right, tell yourself you can eat tomorrow without guilt! If you blow a DD you might feel guilty. Eating without guilt tastes better! lol

Oncedreaming - Enjoy your UD and your sleep!

Leo - interesting about the water weight. Thanks for sharing that. I will think of that if the scale goes up unexpectedly! 80 pounds in 6 months is terrific, even with that teen metabolism!

Maizenbluebabe - you are right about the scale not being the only indicator of weight loss. Esp. for thos who exercise as muscle weighs more than fat. It's good to consider how your clothes fit too. In fact last year I wasn't weighing every day and I noticed my clothes were tighter and then i went on the scale and was up a few. So clothes are very telling. I find I really know my body too. On any given day I can guess how much I weigh by looking at my nekkid self in the mirror and I am usually pretty close! It's a skill, really!

Debbie - I have been up anywhere from .4 - .8 after an UD but I am still registering a 3 pound loss so far this week. I weighed Mon morning after Sunday's UD and then today (an UD) and I am down 3 pounds. So don't worry about UD gains, look at the average loss from week to week.

Ravae - your SWC is super smart! I do the same thing. I try to save 100 calories so I can have a bag of popcorn right before bed on an UD to get me through the DD.

Skeeweaka - I read that the UD calories are just there to help us calculate the DD calories. So sticking to your DD calories is more important than geting all your UD cals. I think as long as you are eating enough on your UD's (eat when hungry, stop when full) then you will be ok. It's not like you are eating 300 cals on DD and then 800 on UD. That would send you into starvation mode. So if you are eating at least 1200 on UD (which I am sure we all are lol) then I think you will be a-ok. But double check with the others as I am not an expert (I don't have Johnson's book, I just go by my own instinct and what I read here and on the JUDDD website).

So far today for my UD I've had a banana and two Van's waffles. I did my cardio pilates this morning while DH took my kids out for their weekly outing. I was amazed I didn't wake up starving from yesterday's DD. Oh, here is another bit of info for those just starting:I used to go to bed hungry on DD's as I had finished my allocated calories. The past few DD's I have not been hungry and sometimes I'm even eating less than I am allowed and when I wake up I don't feel the need to eat my arm off. So it does get easier!

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by Debbi

I also think I will try to start weighing only on the mornings after my DD as Dr Johnson recommends.

Hi Debbi:

I believe I recall from the Johnson book that I finished earlier this week that he recommends weighing on the morning after a DD only every 8 days or so. I've read your diary on the board here and I understand (as well as share!) some of your particular weight struggles, but I think you're gonna go crazy weighing every day and looking for portents of doom in less than 1 lb fluctuations, which can come from salt, not enough sleep, daily hormonal shifts, etc.

Easier said than done to stay off of the scale, I know, as I weighed every day for the past 4 years. Having broken that cycle recently, I can highly recommend it! Do you think you might be able to try weighing only once a week?

Just a friendly mental health suggestion.

[retroworx]

Question about "starvation mode." (We dieters commonly understand "starvation mode" to mean that if our bodies do not get adequate calories for function, our metabolisms will downwardly adjust and weight loss will halt.) It is "common wisdom" that we hear about all the time: all diets, literature, even some docs (including Johnson) refer to it. But where is the medical literature or scientific evidence for this syndrome? I would like to read more about it: when does it kick in? How long on calorie restriction before the weight loss stops, etc.

And why is this apparently NOT true for people who are TRULY starving? Are you familiar with the US starvation experiment from the 1940s?

Minnesota Starvation Experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have read a book about the experiment and while the subjects' metabolisms did slow, I have seen photos of these guys and believe me, they lost weight, down to emaciation similar to concentration camp survivors. And why didn't starvation mode kick in for those survivors, keeping them from the extreme weight loss? Or people starving in third world countries?

It could be that starvation mode kicks in only at a certain range of calories, that anything above or even below does not produce the same effect, but of course I am just speculating here.

Anyone have some studies to point me to?

Thanks!

[mammapo]

Originally Posted by donia

Hello again, everyone! I am really impressed with how much you all know about eating right and how your own bodies work. I love this group!

I'm on another DD today and I'm pretty happy with it. I've had a vitatop with some strawberries for breakfast and for lunch, it will be iceburg salad with a bit of lemon pepper tuna. I feel much better about this one than the other 2 that I've done.

I just keep telling myself that I need to do this for my health. It's still so hard though.

You are NOT kidding. My body is yelling at me that being hungry isn't a good thing, but I keep telling it to shut up. Still I'm having a panic moment thinking about doing this forEVER. I ate most of my calories at one meal at lunch (DD) and was stuffed to sickness, but now it's 3 hours later and I'm starving. More hot tea, I guess.

The positive effect is that I'm always well hydrated, lol.

[mammapo]

Is there any scientific evidence of "Starvation Mode"? - Two Plus Two Poker Forum


he discusses the 'myth' of starvation mode. Quite balanced actually, and scientifically accurate.

Naomi

[Debbi]

Everyone: Thanks so much for the encouraging words - and you are correct of course. I said I was giving this 30 days and that is what I will do. I will definitely try to stay off the scale every day and hopefully work up to retroworx's recommendations. It is so hard to not see it coming off like it used to - I could easily lose 2 lbs overnight on Atkins several times a month - I can remember following Atkins 72 when I weighed 139(towards what I thought would be the end - goal was 132) and losing 11lbs in 9 days w/daily exercise and strict eating. I maintained for years.

Oh well, enough of the pity party - I am comitted to JUDD for 30 days.

I have not been able to read the book any more but I will start again tonight. I will weigh tomorrow and then not again until after my next DD which will be Monday

EMandM - Congratulations on your loss!!!! You are such an inspiration!!

[EmandM]

Retro - good points and definately something to think about. Maybe there is no starvation mode. I did read about that a long time ago. Didn't they gain back more of their initial weight once the study was over? If I take in too few calories over time I tend to binge but that is probably only when I get hungry. Not sure if this is something others would have to worry about if they take in too few cals on their UD's. But if starvation mode is just a myth than for UD's I think we should all eat when hungry and stop when full without worrying about getting close to our allotted UD cals. That's what I do now for UD's but I do estimate at the end of the night and if I am on the low side I eat something.