What happens if I end early?

redinva · 04-27-2013, 02:54 PM

Ok, I am on VLCD6 and I have lost about 8 pounds but I am miserable! I have been hungry the entire time and feel terrible. I know I did not load well but I thought I would feel better or at least less hungry by now. I have been following the plan well but I don't think I can continue.
Has this ever happen to anyone else and what is the best way to transition? I would like to go onto P3 if I could after 2 more days of VLCDs without drops. Would this work?

mojocat · 04-27-2013, 03:09 PM

From Pounds and Inches: Sounds as if you will need to follow the low calorie protocol for the 72 hours after your last dose so you don't put it on with HCG in your system, and you may very well regain that 8lbs. Are you absolutely sure you don't want to try adjust your dose somehow to find your sweet spot?

Patients who need to lose 15 pounds (7 kg.) or less require 26 days treatment with 23 daily injections. The extra three days are needed because all patients must continue the 500-Calorie diet for three days after the last injection. This is a very essential part of the treatment, because if they start eating normally as long as there is even a trace of HCG in their body they put on weight alarmingly at the end of the treatment. After three days when all the HCG has been eliminated this does not happen, because the blood is then no longer saturated with food and can thus accommodate an extra influx from the intestines without increasing its volume by retaining water.

We never give a treatment lasting less than 26 days, even in patients needing to lose only 5 pounds. It seems that even in the mildest cases of obesity the diencephalon requires about three weeks rest from the maximal exertion to which it has been previously subjected in order to regain fully its normal fat-banking capacity. Clinically this expresses itself, in the fact that, when in these mild cases, treatment is stopped as soon as the weight is normal, which may be achieved in a week, it is much more easily regained than after a full course of 23 injections.

As soon as such patients have lost all their abnormal superfluous fat, they at once begin to feel ravenously hungry in spite of continued injections. This is because HCG only puts abnormal fat into circulation and cannot, in the doses used, liberate normal fat deposits; indeed, it seems to prevent their consumption. As soon as their statistically normal weight is reached, these patients are put on 800-1000 Calories for the rest of the treatment.

The diet is arranged in such a way that the weight remains perfectly stationary and is thus continued for three days after the 23rd injection. Only then are the patients free to eat anything they please except sugar and starches for the next three weeks.

redinva · 04-27-2013, 04:27 PM

Thanks for the info. Maybe I will try to adjust my dose. I feel a little better after dinner so I have a better perspective. I notice that I am not ravenous when I wake up but I have no energy and my energy level does not get any better as the day goes on. Does that mean I should try to increase my dose or decrease? I am taking HHCG drops. Any support/guidance is really appreciated!

mojocat · 04-27-2013, 04:56 PM

I'm not familar with hhcg but from what I read most people seem to lower their dose. The general idea is that you miss your dose and then if you get hungrier as the day goes on it means you need to up your dose; if you don't get hungry it means you lower. Energy is always an issue on HCG I think. A little bit of hunger is OK, but if you have that gnawing, burning, desperate wanting to eat you own arm hunger, that is wrong. Hopefully someone more familiar with hhcg will chime in.

Last few rounds I didn't have a lot of energy either but have better energy on the injections; this is my first time on injections. I'm on my 4th round and I don't have a lot to lose and am suffering from severe boredom and head hunger because I believe for that reason..so I kind of know how you feel..

CalgaryGirl · 04-27-2013, 05:03 PM

I find that I need to make sure that I have not eaten or had anything to drink about half hour of administering the drops under my tongue; I then wait another 30 minutes before I eat or drink after my drops. If I don't do this, it is not absorbed as efficiently. !~ just a tip!

40tolose · 04-27-2013, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redinva

Thanks for the info. Maybe I will try to adjust my dose. I feel a little better after dinner so I have a better perspective. I notice that I am not ravenous when I wake up but I have no energy and my energy level does not get any better as the day goes on. Does that mean I should try to increase my dose or decrease? I am taking HHCG drops. Any support/guidance is really appreciated!

I think upping and lowering doses is different for different people. I say take the drops more frequently and try to have the frequency spread out as evenly as possible during a 24 hr period. If you increase the frequency then you would lower the amount you take at each interval but the total amount you take during the 24 hr period would be the same. If that doesn't work, then try decreasing your dose a little. Try that for a few days and see if it works. If that doesn't work, try increasing your daily amount by a couple of drops per day.

I wanted to see if I could increase my daily weight loss so increased my total daily dose by a couple of drops and ended up being more hungry so went back to original recommended amount. I always tried to have 8 hrs in between each dose. I was taking drops or pellets 3 times a day and almost never felt any hunger.

I hope this helps!

redinva · 04-28-2013, 04:34 AM

I am going to try increasing my dose by 2 drops but I do remember others saying they tended to be more hungry too so I will see how that goes today and try the more frequent drops but less drops each time, back to original amount.
I was only waiting 15 minutes before and after drops so I am also trying 30 minutes on each side of the drops to see if that will help too.

Thanks for the help!! I really needed it. I was up .4 this morning but I feel like my measurements are smaller so the # on the scale is not discouraging me at all.

mojocat · 04-28-2013, 05:21 AM

We just have to plough through it; sometimes we deal with mind hunger as well ...This is my 4th round and I can't tell you how tired and bored I am with the food, but I refuse to give up, it's not an option and I will ride it out to the end. Today I tossed my chicken in curry and spices before grilling and it wasn't bad. Check the recipe thread here; there are some great foods and I love the chicken and asparagus soup. Make teas your friend as well and fill that tummy up. I'm glad you are feeling better and I hope it continues. It's so worth it.

Nicole T · 04-28-2013, 02:55 PM

You could also try going rogue. I know that eating 1 slice of fat free cheese, using fat free dressings and eating other rogue things has made my last round and this one SOOOOO much more do-able!!!

redinva · 04-28-2013, 07:53 PM

I think increasing my dose may have helped with my hunger. I also took some B vitamins which helped with my energy. Going rogue is an idea.......but I think I am too much of a chicken.

I did mess up today for my dinner. I made a beef and cabbage meal, (which was awesome) but I ate too much. I think it may have been maybe even double what I should have eaten. I measured my food before I cooked it but since the veggie and protein were mixed together I did not weigh my food again, I was distracted by my family and only cut the food in half and I think I should havve cut it in 4! I am trying not to beat myself up too much but I am afraid of the scale tomorrow. Rookie mistake....

Has anyone else had pregnancy symptoms while taking the HCG drops? I was really nauseous in the evening when I was pregnant and I seem to be nauseous in the evenings since taking the drops and I know I am not pregnant.

mojocat · 04-28-2013, 08:53 PM

Don't stress about eating more than you should have, especially beef and cabbage which is allowable food. I have done that in the past without stalls when I really was hungry and needed more and it did not stall me. Some people swear by the 800 calorie program, so if you went over a bit, don't worry.

Nicole T I did go slightly rouguish this round by incorporating 0% greek yoghurt instead of an apple. At 104 calories and 17g protein it seemed a better option than the apple, but I have dropped it as I am getting close to the finish line and am tightening the belt and going stricter on protocol. I don't want to come back for another round in a long long time. I have to say however that the GY was so yummy and made the round much more pleasant. It was so delicious and decadent I felt like I was eating cream. Can't wait to indulge in my beloved GY.

RedsSkinnyJeans · 05-01-2013, 04:47 AM

redinva:

Please play around with your dosing. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE HUNGRY!!

I agree with giving your body lots of vitamins and supplements. If you know of a store that sells green juice, you can get one there. They seem to give LOTS of energy. Tons of water with lemon is good too. Also some liver support tea. Hope it gets easier for you.

Oh...last note. I have found I REALLY love organic chicken broth! I empty a whole box of it into a pan and add a whole box of the organic baby spinach, and a few spices. It is SO satisfying, and so low in calorie. That may help too.

redinva · 05-01-2013, 06:05 AM

I have made it to VLCD10! It is def getting easier. I am messing around with my dosing and am feeling less hungry or at least a different kind of hunger that it tolerable.
I usually dring a green drink every morning but since starting HHCG I have not. I wasn't sure if it would be allowed. I usually have Green Vibrance or Greens+ brand. Would those be ok to start again?

I just bought some Dandelion Tea which is supposed to be liver support, I think. Will try it today. Thanks for the idea on the organic chicken broth. Just thinking about chicken broth makes my mouth water!

julieboolie · 05-01-2013, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redinva

I am going to try increasing my dose by 2 drops but I do remember others saying they tended to be more hungry too so I will see how that goes today and try the more frequent drops but less drops each time, back to original amount.
I was only waiting 15 minutes before and after drops so I am also trying 30 minutes on each side of the drops to see if that will help too.

Thanks for the help!! I really needed it. I was up .4 this morning but I feel like my measurements are smaller so the # on the scale is not discouraging me at all.

Glad adjusting your dose (and just plain time) is helping. I recall rounds where the hunger didn't subside until well into the 2nd week

I use the pellets now and find them to help w. hunger and energy much better than the drops did. FWIW. You're also pretty close to your "goal" weight so that always makes things harder. Glad you're hanging in there, you're almost half way to the end!!

RedsSkinnyJeans · 05-02-2013, 03:23 AM

The last 5 pounds, for me, seem to take FOREVER. And when I got to goal last year, it was only through going to the gym every day. I got to 138, and that was my absolute bottom, (I'm 5'7"). People were telling me I was too skinny. But, I often stayed in the same weight for 3 or 4 days before moving down a notch. Those last 5 really drag out!

redinva · 05-02-2013, 04:41 PM

Reds- you must be really skinny wighing 144 if you are 5'7''! I am 5'4'' so I really should be even smaller than 140 but I am trying to set small goals. I have been walking every night and I do think that is what is helping me slowly tick down to goal. .4 loss this morning!

04-27-2013, 02:54 PM	#1
redinva Junior LCF Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: northern VA Posts: 18 Gallery: redinva Stats: 157/144.4/140 WOE: HHCG Start Date: 4/13	What happens if I end early? Ok, I am on VLCD6 and I have lost about 8 pounds but I am miserable! I have been hungry the entire time and feel terrible. I know I did not load well but I thought I would feel better or at least less hungry by now. I have been following the plan well but I don't think I can continue. Has this ever happen to anyone else and what is the best way to transition? I would like to go onto P3 if I could after 2 more days of VLCDs without drops. Would this work?

04-27-2013, 03:09 PM	#2
mojocat Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 474 Gallery: mojocat Stats: 233/209/180/127 Goal 122 Height 5ft7inch WOE: LC/Juicing/rxHCG & 5:2 or IF or IE to maintain	From Pounds and Inches: Sounds as if you will need to follow the low calorie protocol for the 72 hours after your last dose so you don't put it on with HCG in your system, and you may very well regain that 8lbs. Are you absolutely sure you don't want to try adjust your dose somehow to find your sweet spot? Patients who need to lose 15 pounds (7 kg.) or less require 26 days treatment with 23 daily injections. The extra three days are needed because all patients must continue the 500-Calorie diet for three days after the last injection. This is a very essential part of the treatment, because if they start eating normally as long as there is even a trace of HCG in their body they put on weight alarmingly at the end of the treatment. After three days when all the HCG has been eliminated this does not happen, because the blood is then no longer saturated with food and can thus accommodate an extra influx from the intestines without increasing its volume by retaining water. We never give a treatment lasting less than 26 days, even in patients needing to lose only 5 pounds. It seems that even in the mildest cases of obesity the diencephalon requires about three weeks rest from the maximal exertion to which it has been previously subjected in order to regain fully its normal fat-banking capacity. Clinically this expresses itself, in the fact that, when in these mild cases, treatment is stopped as soon as the weight is normal, which may be achieved in a week, it is much more easily regained than after a full course of 23 injections. As soon as such patients have lost all their abnormal superfluous fat, they at once begin to feel ravenously hungry in spite of continued injections. This is because HCG only puts abnormal fat into circulation and cannot, in the doses used, liberate normal fat deposits; indeed, it seems to prevent their consumption. As soon as their statistically normal weight is reached, these patients are put on 800-1000 Calories for the rest of the treatment. The diet is arranged in such a way that the weight remains perfectly stationary and is thus continued for three days after the 23rd injection. Only then are the patients free to eat anything they please except sugar and starches for the next three weeks. Last edited by mojocat; 04-27-2013 at 03:11 PM..

04-28-2013, 08:53 PM	#11
mojocat Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 474 Gallery: mojocat Stats: 233/209/180/127 Goal 122 Height 5ft7inch WOE: LC/Juicing/rxHCG & 5:2 or IF or IE to maintain	Don't stress about eating more than you should have, especially beef and cabbage which is allowable food. I have done that in the past without stalls when I really was hungry and needed more and it did not stall me. Some people swear by the 800 calorie program, so if you went over a bit, don't worry. Nicole T I did go slightly rouguish this round by incorporating 0% greek yoghurt instead of an apple. At 104 calories and 17g protein it seemed a better option than the apple, but I have dropped it as I am getting close to the finish line and am tightening the belt and going stricter on protocol. I don't want to come back for another round in a long long time. I have to say however that the GY was so yummy and made the round much more pleasant. It was so delicious and decadent I felt like I was eating cream. Can't wait to indulge in my beloved GY. Last edited by mojocat; 04-28-2013 at 08:55 PM..

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04-27-2013, 04:27 PM	#3
redinva Junior LCF Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: northern VA Posts: 18 Gallery: redinva Stats: 157/144.4/140 WOE: HHCG Start Date: 4/13	Thanks for the info. Maybe I will try to adjust my dose. I feel a little better after dinner so I have a better perspective. I notice that I am not ravenous when I wake up but I have no energy and my energy level does not get any better as the day goes on. Does that mean I should try to increase my dose or decrease? I am taking HHCG drops. Any support/guidance is really appreciated!

04-27-2013, 04:56 PM	#4
mojocat Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 474 Gallery: mojocat Stats: 233/209/180/127 Goal 122 Height 5ft7inch WOE: LC/Juicing/rxHCG & 5:2 or IF or IE to maintain	I'm not familar with hhcg but from what I read most people seem to lower their dose. The general idea is that you miss your dose and then if you get hungrier as the day goes on it means you need to up your dose; if you don't get hungry it means you lower. Energy is always an issue on HCG I think. A little bit of hunger is OK, but if you have that gnawing, burning, desperate wanting to eat you own arm hunger, that is wrong. Hopefully someone more familiar with hhcg will chime in. Last few rounds I didn't have a lot of energy either but have better energy on the injections; this is my first time on injections. I'm on my 4th round and I don't have a lot to lose and am suffering from severe boredom and head hunger because I believe for that reason..so I kind of know how you feel..

04-27-2013, 05:03 PM	#5
CalgaryGirl Junior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 21 Gallery: CalgaryGirl Stats: R1:263.8/248/ R2:253.5/Loading Day1 WOE: HCG Start Date: April 5, 2013	I find that I need to make sure that I have not eaten or had anything to drink about half hour of administering the drops under my tongue; I then wait another 30 minutes before I eat or drink after my drops. If I don't do this, it is not absorbed as efficiently. !~ just a tip!

04-28-2013, 04:34 AM	#7
redinva Junior LCF Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: northern VA Posts: 18 Gallery: redinva Stats: 157/144.4/140 WOE: HHCG Start Date: 4/13	I am going to try increasing my dose by 2 drops but I do remember others saying they tended to be more hungry too so I will see how that goes today and try the more frequent drops but less drops each time, back to original amount. I was only waiting 15 minutes before and after drops so I am also trying 30 minutes on each side of the drops to see if that will help too. Thanks for the help!! I really needed it. I was up .4 this morning but I feel like my measurements are smaller so the # on the scale is not discouraging me at all.

04-28-2013, 05:21 AM	#8
mojocat Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 474 Gallery: mojocat Stats: 233/209/180/127 Goal 122 Height 5ft7inch WOE: LC/Juicing/rxHCG & 5:2 or IF or IE to maintain	We just have to plough through it; sometimes we deal with mind hunger as well ...This is my 4th round and I can't tell you how tired and bored I am with the food, but I refuse to give up, it's not an option and I will ride it out to the end. Today I tossed my chicken in curry and spices before grilling and it wasn't bad. Check the recipe thread here; there are some great foods and I love the chicken and asparagus soup. Make teas your friend as well and fill that tummy up. I'm glad you are feeling better and I hope it continues. It's so worth it.

04-28-2013, 02:55 PM	#9
Nicole T Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 1,021 Gallery: Nicole T Stats: 192/180/170 WOE: 5:2/JUDDD/Paleo Start Date: 4/22/13	You could also try going rogue. I know that eating 1 slice of fat free cheese, using fat free dressings and eating other rogue things has made my last round and this one SOOOOO much more do-able!!!

04-28-2013, 07:53 PM	#10
redinva Junior LCF Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: northern VA Posts: 18 Gallery: redinva Stats: 157/144.4/140 WOE: HHCG Start Date: 4/13	I think increasing my dose may have helped with my hunger. I also took some B vitamins which helped with my energy. Going rogue is an idea.......but I think I am too much of a chicken. I did mess up today for my dinner. I made a beef and cabbage meal, (which was awesome) but I ate too much. I think it may have been maybe even double what I should have eaten. I measured my food before I cooked it but since the veggie and protein were mixed together I did not weigh my food again, I was distracted by my family and only cut the food in half and I think I should havve cut it in 4! I am trying not to beat myself up too much but I am afraid of the scale tomorrow. Rookie mistake.... Has anyone else had pregnancy symptoms while taking the HCG drops? I was really nauseous in the evening when I was pregnant and I seem to be nauseous in the evenings since taking the drops and I know I am not pregnant.

05-01-2013, 04:47 AM	#12
RedsSkinnyJeans Major LCF Poster! Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,007 Gallery: RedsSkinnyJeans Stats: 170/144/140 Start Date: 4/1/11	redinva: Please play around with your dosing. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE HUNGRY!! I agree with giving your body lots of vitamins and supplements. If you know of a store that sells green juice, you can get one there. They seem to give LOTS of energy. Tons of water with lemon is good too. Also some liver support tea. Hope it gets easier for you. Oh...last note. I have found I REALLY love organic chicken broth! I empty a whole box of it into a pan and add a whole box of the organic baby spinach, and a few spices. It is SO satisfying, and so low in calorie. That may help too.

05-01-2013, 06:05 AM	#13
redinva Junior LCF Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: northern VA Posts: 18 Gallery: redinva Stats: 157/144.4/140 WOE: HHCG Start Date: 4/13	I have made it to VLCD10! It is def getting easier. I am messing around with my dosing and am feeling less hungry or at least a different kind of hunger that it tolerable. I usually dring a green drink every morning but since starting HHCG I have not. I wasn't sure if it would be allowed. I usually have Green Vibrance or Greens+ brand. Would those be ok to start again? I just bought some Dandelion Tea which is supposed to be liver support, I think. Will try it today. Thanks for the idea on the organic chicken broth. Just thinking about chicken broth makes my mouth water!

05-02-2013, 03:23 AM	#15
RedsSkinnyJeans Major LCF Poster! Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,007 Gallery: RedsSkinnyJeans Stats: 170/144/140 Start Date: 4/1/11	The last 5 pounds, for me, seem to take FOREVER. And when I got to goal last year, it was only through going to the gym every day. I got to 138, and that was my absolute bottom, (I'm 5'7"). People were telling me I was too skinny. But, I often stayed in the same weight for 3 or 4 days before moving down a notch. Those last 5 really drag out!

05-02-2013, 04:41 PM	#16
redinva Junior LCF Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: northern VA Posts: 18 Gallery: redinva Stats: 157/144.4/140 WOE: HHCG Start Date: 4/13	Reds- you must be really skinny wighing 144 if you are 5'7''! I am 5'4'' so I really should be even smaller than 140 but I am trying to set small goals. I have been walking every night and I do think that is what is helping me slowly tick down to goal. .4 loss this morning!