Dr Emma's plan

[SookieMama]

There we go... found this on their web site as soon as I posted that.

[SookieMama]

I soon found a listing of sorts of some things in the drops, pellets.
The list includes things like fat metabolizers, Vitamin B12, Mag-Phos Cell Salts, and Nat-Phos Cell Salts. Like I suspected, things from your local supplement store. It also says something about the drops having a 3X, 6X, etc. concentration. Doesn't mention what that concentration is of. It is worded though in a quite clever way as to make you think they are talking about HCG. You would have to be paying close attention to read what they actually are saying, or not saying. That doesn't work for me! I wish those of you on it good luck and you might want to stock up just in case the FDA finds your supplier!

[sillyme]

Just to be clear you believe then that no homeopathic remedies will work?

i think you have to have some understanding of homeopathy to understand the 3x, 6x etc.

If you read the book the Diet Cure you will understand about Aminos and their effect on the body as well. While i don't have a degree in this my understanding is that under "normal" circumstances your body makes all the amino acids it needs from the protein that you feed it. Having some added extras isn't going to hurt!

And probably the last comment i will make on this particular subject. We are here to support each other not to critisize each others choices. I'm sure if injectable HCG was easily found everywhere and affordable we would all be on it.

[Shelle135]

Originally Posted by sillyme

Just to be clear you believe then that no homeopathic remedies will work?

i think you have to have some understanding of homeopathy to understand the 3x, 6x etc.

If you read the book the Diet Cure you will understand about Aminos and their effect on the body as well. While i don't have a degree in this my understanding is that under "normal" circumstances your body makes all the amino acids it needs from the protein that you feed it. Having some added extras isn't going to hurt!

And probably the last comment i will make on this particular subject. We are here to support each other not to critisize each others choices. I'm sure if injectable HCG was easily found everywhere and affordable we would all be on it.

This is interesting, Sillyme. Can you go deeper into what amino acids actually do for the body?

[SookieMama]

Originally Posted by sillyme

Just to be clear you believe then that no homeopathic remedies will work?

i think you have to have some understanding of homeopathy to understand the 3x, 6x etc.

If you read the book the Diet Cure you will understand about Aminos and their effect on the body as well. While i don't have a degree in this my understanding is that under "normal" circumstances your body makes all the amino acids it needs from the protein that you feed it. Having some added extras isn't going to hurt!

And probably the last comment i will make on this particular subject. We are here to support each other not to critisize each others choices. I'm sure if injectable HCG was easily found everywhere and affordable we would all be on it.

I don't consider educating people to be criticizing people. If I were ingesting something fraudulent and I didn't know it, you better believe it that I would LOVE someone to give me the facts.

Again, I said that I believe the homeopathic HCG formula's contain things that help with hunger control and fat break up in our systems. That would mean they would work to some capacity, like other supplements you can buy to lose weight. My point is that homeopathic HCG contains no HCG and for them to write HCG drops on the label is wrong. I am not threading about all homeopathic remedies or covering the span of medicine, just hHCG. If it is working for you I am glad. We all are trying to find what works for us!

[buttah]

I wish I had time to post more. I too have doubts about hhcg, but it has seemingly done wonders for many here and even Robin Woodall believes it needs to be studied more. It may be that whatever is in the homeo drops has the same or a similar affect on leptin to the affect HCG has on leptin. So even if it isn't working the same way, it may be doing something similar? I just don't know because nobody has done clinical trials!

I will also say that there is a great study you can hunt for, either Brazil or Argentina, done by doctors, where they compared losses in BODY FAT, not just pounds with people who did rxHCG (taken sublingually, mind you, so drops, but RX - my clinic used to give that as a choice) with people who did just the 500 calorie diet. The losses in body fat were substantially better, dramatically, with rxHCG. I wish someone would do a study comparing RX to homeopathic. I know there are anecdotal studies here, and that many LC members have done both and measured their body fat, although that's not really scientific.

There are also homeopathic experts who point out that however and whyever hhcg works, it is NOT following the principles of homeopathy in terms of "like curing like." As in giving a bit of poison ivy to cure poison ivy (the example they always give). Because HCG doesn't make you GET fat. I'm simplifying, if anyone's interested they can do all the searching I did. However it "works," as the experiences of many seem to indicate it might, it actually works in the exact opposite way of homeopathic principle.

All that said, that's why I do RX. It's a mind thing for me, too. I just feel better knowing I'm doing the real thing. I feel very fortunate that I can afford it through a clinic, and I don't begrudge anyone their joy over having lost their weight with hhcg. It's ALL better than being overweight, that's for sure. I just wish they'd study it. Because I'd love to see the data, and I'd be rooting for it to be proof.

Anyway, way more than I wanted to say.

So the only way to use Dr. Emma is to go fly out and see her once? Or have a clinic that works remotely with her clinic?

I guess I feel fortunate that I've found the clinic I've found. I honestly can't complain. It's changed my life. Went the my dentist today, who has known me for years. He almost fell over when he saw me. It was fun!

[Shelle135]

Originally Posted by buttah

I wish I had time to post more. I too have doubts about hhcg, but it has seemingly done wonders for many here and even Robin Woodall believes it needs to be studied more. It may be that whatever is in the homeo drops has the same or a similar affect on leptin to the affect HCG has on leptin. So even if it isn't working the same way, it may be doing something similar? I just don't know because nobody has done clinical trials!

I will also say that there is a great study you can hunt for, either Brazil or Argentina, done by doctors, where they compared losses in BODY FAT, not just pounds with people who did rxHCG (taken sublingually, mind you, so drops, but RX - my clinic used to give that as a choice) with people who did just the 500 calorie diet. The losses in body fat were substantially better, dramatically, with rxHCG. I wish someone would do a study comparing RX to homeopathic. I know there are anecdotal studies here, and that many LC members have done both and measured their body fat, although that's not really scientific.

There are also homeopathic experts who point out that however and whyever hhcg works, it is NOT following the principles of homeopathy in terms of "like curing like." As in giving a bit of poison ivy to cure poison ivy (the example they always give). Because HCG doesn't make you GET fat. I'm simplifying, if anyone's interested they can do all the searching I did. However it "works," as the experiences of many seem to indicate it might, it actually works in the exact opposite way of homeopathic principle.

All that said, that's why I do RX. It's a mind thing for me, too. I just feel better knowing I'm doing the real thing. I feel very fortunate that I can afford it through a clinic, and I don't begrudge anyone their joy over having lost their weight with hhcg. It's ALL better than being overweight, that's for sure. I just wish they'd study it. Because I'd love to see the data, and I'd be rooting for it to be proof.

Anyway, way more than I wanted to say.

So the only way to use Dr. Emma is to go fly out and see her once? Or have a clinic that works remotely with her clinic?

I guess I feel fortunate that I've found the clinic I've found. I honestly can't complain. It's changed my life. Went the my dentist today, who has known me for years. He almost fell over when he saw me. It was fun!

And congrats on knocking your dentist over!!!

[Tamra]

Hi SookieMama,

Great info, thx!! I have been mixing similar veggies too, it's just impossible to have "salad" that consists of only lettuce. I agree that DR Simeon lived a long time ago, where they may not have had access to all the things we have now like cauliflower in the middle of winter, who knows why he only lists some veggies, but I know carbs and cauli and asparagus and beans are about par!

To answer your question about ingredients in hHCG ...The hHCG spray I take is only a little alcohol and water with the "magnetic signature" of HCG imprinted in it! It supposedly fools the body into reacting as if it has received the real thing, but the body figures it out after 6 weeks and it stops working by day 50 in my experience and never works as well again IMHO. We are advised to keep the spray away from electronics, cell phones etc so it doesn't erase this imprint. There is no actual HCG in it, but it does say HCG on the bottle, even though there is no hcg in the bottle!! Lol.

I believe there are ongoing studies about how a magnetic imprint of a drug can fool our bodies into thinking we are getting the real thing, and reacting accordingly. This is the only example I have heard of doing this so far but, if it's true, what if the magnetic signature of morphine could be imprinted on alcohol and water so as to fool the body into thinking it is getting morphine and releasing it's own pain suppressant? On the theory that what drugs we give our bodies just trigger the body's natural reactions...? This could be revolutionary as the person who took the "hMorphine" would have no side effects or withdrawals since it was just fooled into reacting? I hope it's possible!!

I dunno, but the 3-4 times I have done this type of hHCG I don't believe I have lost any muscle, my skin did tighten WAY faster than after Atkins and I was never hungry!! I lost 29lbs in 46 days the first round taking me from 168 to 138. Subsequent time I lost 24 in 50days ... as you see, the effectiveness was never the same... which is why I have ordered some questionable RX HCG off the internet, which may not make it into Canada but I'm willing to risk it for the real deal!

[Tamra]

PS I could keep it off as long as I did a steak day after a binge day but events
seem to come 2 days in a row making the second day impossible to do a steak day, and the 3-4lb gain each time added up again!!! This time I hope to succeed since I started yoga and bought a juicer. Here's to another go at it!!

[onedimsim]

Originally Posted by sillyme

first ingredient on my intermountain pellets is

hCG.........6x,12x,30x,60x

so these are the "real deal" - not homeopathic? How do you get around the Rx thing?

[SookieMama]

When a homeopathic bottle indicates HCG concentration as “number X” (6X, 12X…), that means the actual ratio of HCG to water is 1 (drop):10,000,000. To put this number into perspective imagine one drop of HCG dissolved in a bathtub of water.
The “X” means the original product was cut (diluted) 1,000 times in a row, so 3X means the original product was cut 3,000 times. 6X means it was diluted 6,000 times in a row and 12X means it was cut 12,000 in a row.

“Homeopathic hCG 3X, 6X, 12X” means there is less than 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000 of a gram of original hCG.

[Shelle135]

WOW! That is amazing. I didn't know that.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by SookieMama

When a homeopathic bottle indicates HCG concentration as “number X” (6X, 12X…), that means the actual ratio of HCG to water is 1 (drop):10,000,000. To put this number into perspective imagine one drop of HCG dissolved in a bathtub of water.
The “X” means the original product was cut (diluted) 1,000 times in a row, so 3X means the original product was cut 3,000 times. 6X means it was diluted 6,000 times in a row and 12X means it was cut 12,000 in a row.

“Homeopathic hCG 3X, 6X, 12X” means there is less than 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000 of a gram of original hCG.

I think regardless of the concentration, this DOES indicate that it contains hCG, just a very small amount, as is typical with homeopathic preparations. It's kind of like saying the odds of winning the lottery are statistically equal if you buy a ticket or if you don't buy a ticket. I don't think that homeopathic remedies are false or fraudulent but it's always good for everyone to know exactly what homeopathic means before committing.

I DO think that given the success that many many people have had on it and the relative challenges of self-mixing and self-injecting and/or the expense of going through a lot of doctors, that the homeopathic remedies are all some people can really handle, either physically or financially. Frankly some people cannot afford to go through a doctor or figure out how to self-mix. For these, the homeopathic seems like a good place to start. Again, JMHO.

[SookieMama]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

I think regardless of the concentration, this DOES indicate that it contains hCG, just a very small amount, as is typical with homeopathic preparations.

I don't think that homeopathic remedies are false or fraudulent but it's always good for everyone to know exactly what homeopathic means before committing.
.

We are going to have to agree to disagree on that, Shelby!

I certainly would not take an advil with less than 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000 of a gram of advil. Would you?

[SookieMama]

On a different note, last night I made a fantastic fish/shrimp stew and I wanted to share it with you all! It was sooooo GOOD!!!

Seafood Stew: Makes 2 servings

1 tsp Chili paste
4 baby portabella's
10 squirts of Bragg's
2 tsp garlic minced
1 tsp garlic powdered
1 tbls dried cilantro or 2 tbls fresh
1/2 small onion quartered
1/2 cup cabbage
2 cups chicken broth
juice of 1 lemon
pinch of dried ginger
7 ounces of shrimp or fish

Simmer all ingredients at least an hour. Don't add in your seafood of choice till the last 15 minutes or so.

Nutrition breakdown: (based on using 3.5 oz. of shrimp)
Per serving=
Calories 105
Fat 1.4 g
Protein 14.7 g

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by SookieMama

Great hearing what has worked for you, and your weight loss success is admirable.

I have a couple of questions though about what you wrote. My problem with the homeopathic is that it is false advertising. The homeopathic HCG has no HCG in it, and for them to say it does on the label is wrong and misleading. Obviously the FDA agrees since they have come out against homeopathic HCG companies. Im sure you have read that in December 2011 they issued a warning to all manufacturers of hHCG to stop the sale of all homeopathic HCG. That would be a problem for me, maybe not for all.

Out of curiosity, I went to intermountain, the source for a lot of people's drops around here, it seems. There is no where that I can find on that entire website that tells you the ingredients in the drops. Not the strength of HCG in them, the other ingredients, nothing. I of course believe that is due to them not having HCG in them, and they not wanting to advertise that. I would love someone to fill me in on the ingredient list. I believe they must have an appetite suppressant in them along other things that you could find at a nutritional supplement store.

I hope you will fill me in as to some specifics about your journey! I am curious why your never got close to the 40 day mark. Was it due to the plan you were on's limits or did you just need a break? How long did you whole journey take? Were any of your subsequent rounds more difficult, making you wish you had kept going? Still very much up in the air about how long I will stick with round 1. Really my only concern is giving my skin enough time to catch up with me, so far so good. My diet is so varied on the plan I am on, and my hunger is so faint that I think I could go till I hit goal. The skin is my concern!!!

As mentioned I do not believe that the Intermountain is "false advertising" any more than any other homeopathic preparation. People SHOULD know what they are taking and what it means, however. If the very small amount bothers anyone then they shouldn't take it. If they are willing to take a chance on the homeopathic preparation, then that is certainly their choice. Is it really better to be obese?

On the FDA, please don't get me started. If I followed what the FDA says, I would be DEAD. Seriously. I have all sorts of adrenal, thyroid and other hormonal issues and the FDA puts roadblock after roadblock in the way of treatment for people who choose a different path than traditional medicine. I know they are often simply misguided but frankly, homeopathic hCG has helped SO many people and hurt no one, that I wish they would focus on education (about thing like what IS a homeopathic preparation) instead of shutting down the one avenue left out of obesity for many. Seriously, can we focus on heroin and cocaine and other "hard" drugs instead of this kind of thing??? Ok, off MY soapbox!

As far as why I didn't go to the 40 day mark, I actually planned my rounds around various social events in my life. Stats, preparations, and durations of my various rounds are in my signature.

My first round (homeopathic) ended immediately before a wine tasting trip for my cousin's bachelorette party. I lost around 25 pounds, went off for a weekend of wine tasting, stuck to strict P3, and came back at exactly the same weight as when I left. I did a full P3 and P4+ and maintained in my window eating ~2300 calories per day and then went on a cruise. I behaved myself on the cruise for the most part. Came back a couple of pounds up and immediately started my second round (also homeopathic). I lost a similar percentage of body weight on that round, which I believe was my longest--I was smaller so had less to lose. I stopped my round on a weird last week of playing around with the same couple of pounds up and down. I was pretty close to 40 days at that point and I think my body was just done losing.

I maintained from May of 2011 to January of 2012 when I started my first goal/vanity/last 10 pounds round. That round was also homeopathic. I did a minimum round because I didn't have much to take off and actually needed to up my calories in the week or so to keep from going below where I needed to be. Unfortunately, I did NOT ease into P3 very well. I added everything under the sun the first couple of days and just had a devil of a time keeping the last few pounds off. I decided to do another round to stop the bleeding (so to speak) but I had a similar experience with my second "goal round"--too much, too fast into P3. That time I did NOT get a lid on it very well and with four back to back vacations over the summer, gained up to--you guessed it--mu last LDW of my second round. Finally, I did a last "goal round" in August of 2012. That time I used a different technique to enter P3 and for the most part it has worked very well. My body still seems to like the upper 140's as opposed to the lower 140's but I've maintained between about 141 and 148 since then.

I posted pics in a thread here somewhere called ShelbyLA - From Start to Finish or something like that. You can see for yourself what hCG did for me, homeopathic AND rx. I've also posted a couple of times about body fat reading that I took during my journey. I retained a good portion of my muscle mass according to the various measurement methods that I used. I did lose SOME, but as I said, it doesn't take as much muscle to lug around 140 pounds as it does to lug around 210 pounds.

Anyway, that's my story. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. Happy to share the good and the bad. But frankly, I believe in BOTH the homeopathic AND the rx. I think it's a personal choice and while there may be false products out there, I do not think that all homeopathic preparations--including the Intermountain hhCG--are false and should be written off.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by SookieMama

We are going to have to agree to disagree on that, Shelby!

I certainly would not take an advil with less than 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000 of a gram of advil. Would you?

Advil is a medicine. HHCG is a homeopathic preparation. These are two different things. The DEFINITION of homeopathic preparations is exactly as you stated. Thus, it is legitimate HOMEOPATHIC preparation, not a hormone or a medicine.

I agree that we can agree to disagree.

[SookieMama]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Advil is a medicine. HHCG is a homeopathic preparation. These are two different things. The DEFINITION of homeopathic preparations is exactly as you stated. Thus, it is legitimate HOMEOPATHIC preparation, not a hormone or a medicine.

I agree that we can agree to disagree.

The HCG they dilute is also a medication. In fact it is a prescription medication, unlike Advil. They dilute it so anyone on the planet, doctor or not, can sell it.

[shelbyla]

In case you are interested, here is the thread. I am actually about 7 pounds up from LDW right now but continue to reshape as I add exercise, etc.

ShelbyLA - From Start to Finish with hHCG

[SookieMama]

That is fantastic! Love the pictures!! As you know from reading this thread I'm obsessed with how my skin bounce back. Yours seems to be great! What are your thoughts about skin bouncing back? How old r u, if you don't mind me asking? I think that matters in the long run. I'm 39.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by SookieMama

That is fantastic! Love the pictures!! As you know from reading this thread I'm obsessed with how my skin bounce back. Yours seems to be great! What are your thoughts about skin bouncing back? How old r u, if you don't mind me asking? I think that matters in the long run. I'm 39.

I think that the P3 and P4 breaks are VERY important for skin recovery. I looked a LOT better after my P3's than just after my rounds, and always better after P4 than even after P3. Even though I am about 7 pounds up from LDW, five out of my window, I still wear the same sized pants, and some are actually looser now than at the end of my first "goal round" (e.g. after the first one, I was wearing a size 6, now I wear a 4 or the same exact brand and style). It's one of the reasons I always recommend NOT cycling, i.e. going from P2 to P3 and back to P2, directly. I also think it's pretty common knowledge that the faster you lose, the more time it takes your skin to recover, if it ever does. Does that mean you shouldn't do a long round if it's working for you? No. Does it mean that you might have to wait longer for your skin to recover? Maybe.

To answer your other question, I am now 45. When I finished my first goal round (from the last set of pictures), I was 44.

[Shelle135]

Shelby you are a such an inspiration!!! Thank you for being such an open book, both personally and as a reference to us who are beginning out journeys. Your opinions and experiences are greatly respected!!!

[buttah]

Shelby, I'm experiencing the same thing. I seem to stabilize about 4 lbs above LIW, but nothing is tighter than my last injection day, and in fact people who see me think I've lost a bit more since then. I think it's the subtle skin changes. And the fact that I'm moving more (I really don't do much during P2 - just two 15 minute walks).

[SookieMama]

Well TOM has struck! I really don't like it when TOM comes around on HCG. In 3 days I have lost 1.2. So, a serious slow down but not a stop, so for that I am pleased. Noticed yesterday I was having more cravings for things. It's funny that I have never noticed having cravings during TOM. I guess that was because I always just ate what I wanted, so having a craving and not fulfilling that desire was really not an option before. Does anyone else feel Tom is heavier while doing shots? This time my TOM while taking 225 iu's is heavier than the last TOM taking 150 iu's. I found that interesting. Wonder what it will be like when I am at the full strength dose for this round of 275 iu's?? YIKES!!!

I have been eating out a bit lately and wanted to share the results of that with you. One place I have been eating at is Jimmy John's, (2x's). I get their lettuce wrap with onion, tomato, extra lettuce, mustard and double turkey. The weight of their turkey per serving is around 60 grams so I double that to 120 grams. They have a nutrition calculator online so you can determine the calories of what you get. Their lettuce wrap is such a nice change of pace. It has been nice to meet a friend for lunch there, as I am doing today, without having to explain why I am eating a salad with lemon juice as the dressing! I am keeping my HCG under wraps! I have also been eating sashimi. My family LOVES sushi, even my 9 year old, so being able to go to dinner with them is great! Instead of getting sushi, I get sashimi. The chef will usually weigh it for me, although I would have no problem busting up in there with my scale!! I have about 4 oz of fish with a dry salad. I will take my braggs and mix it with a drop or two of reduced calorie soy sauce. I have eaten sashimi 3 times since I started with no ill effects. If you have any go to restaurants you eat at, please share!

[Shelle135]

I wish I could share but I am def not that far yet, sookiemama!!!

However, I did want to tell you that my dr told me to prepare for heavier toms due to taking the shots through them. No big deal to me.... heavy anyways.

[SookieMama]

Thanks Shelle! I am usually what I could call regular, not crazy heavy. HCG has definitely had an impact on that! How are your losses coming along?

[usacoton]

Hi Sookiemama!
Thanks for posting the information about Dr Emma's protocol. I soooooo appreciate it. I was super curious as to how it compared to P&I, and about the losses and immunity factor.

How are you doing on weight loss and hunger? Are you on 275 now? Also meant to ask does she have you do a skip day each week? How long are you allowed to stay on HCG and follow vlcd.So appreciate the info.

I have done HCG RX cream twice, a couple years ago to great success. Then family death/drama and I just didn't eat right and gained back a lot. Am on the RX injections now, for 2 weeks following P&I with the exception of 2 small eggs whites in the morning so I can take my medication. So far, in two weeks, I've lost 12.4 lbs. which is amazing, if you think about it. If I continue to lose, even close to this rate, I will be fairly close to goal and I know I won't want to stop at 42 days. Which goes back to my questions above.

Congrats again on your weight loss and am looking forward to hearing your reply and weight loss update.

Juli

[Chaquita]

Just joined and this is my first post.

Sookie, I too am on Dr Emma's protocol, I went to see her about 2.5 weeks ago and was browsing the web to find someone else that is using her. How do you know how much hcg is in the injection?? Mine is filled to the 40cc line. I am sooo curious to know how much I am taking. I assumed her was her "trade secret"!

She has me on a 600 cal diet, although I was struggling with hunger the first 2 weeks and came in closer to 700 calories, however 3 days ago, I started my 3rd wk of injections and the hunger is gone. Totally. Finally.

[onedimsim]

Originally Posted by usacoton

Hi Sookiemama!
How are you doing on weight loss and hunger? Are you on 275 now? Also meant to ask does she have you do a skip day each week? How long are you allowed to stay on HCG and follow vlcd.So appreciate the info.
Congrats again on your weight loss and am looking forward to hearing your reply and weight loss update.

Juli

Everything she said! Sookie! Do tell us - do you do the skip day each week? what dosage? Are you still losing like gangbusers? (VERRY jealous btw - i had several stalls with P2 )

I am trying to figure out how to keep from stalling so much next time (e.g., playing with dosage, skip day....) I am fairly sure I developed some immunity towards the end of the round.

[SookieMama]

Originally Posted by Chaquita

Just joined and this is my first post.

Sookie, I too am on Dr Emma's protocol, I went to see her about 2.5 weeks ago and was browsing the web to find someone else that is using her. How do you know how much hcg is in the injection?? Mine is filled to the 40cc line. I am sooo curious to know how much I am taking. I assumed her was her "trade secret"!

She has me on a 600 cal diet, although I was struggling with hunger the first 2 weeks and came in closer to 700 calories, however 3 days ago, I started my 3rd wk of injections and the hunger is gone. Totally. Finally.

You just made my day, Chaquita!!! I have been hoping to find someone else doing her protocol to compare with!!

When I went to my clinic, I asked how many iu's were going to be in the shots and for the details of how she would increase the dosage. I actually spoke with Dr Emma on the phone about 2 weeks prior to starting with her, and she clued me in about her dosing method. I had already been to a different clinic and was on 150 iu's before starting with Dr Emma and she said that was to low.

All 4 weeks of my shots are filled to the same level. On the packet it is stated which week the shot is to be taken in, i.e. week 1, week 2, etc. Are you seeing her personally? Will you please share with me what you have been told regarding her protocol? Is there anything I have posted in the past threads that you were told to do differently?

What is your loss so far?

Finally, someone on the same program I am!!