P3~P4 SIMEONS PROTOCOL MARCH 2013

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Greek yogurt Correction day was a success. Down to 182.4 that's .2 above from my ldw. lost 2.6lbs
I don't know how I should eat today. I had 3 eggs scrambled with rotel. And some guacamole. Now I'm thinking this was a bad idea. To much sodium I'm sure since it was all canned and pre made.

Shelby: do you think doing a potato hack in p4, is a good idea? I was thinking of doing one before I start another round next month.

What a great result Whenever I do a CD in P3, I always instruct others to have a "clean P3 day" the very next day. A clean P3 entails NO NUTS and NO CHEESE. Those are the most likely culprits in weight gain, thus the advice of not eating them. The advice comes from my hcg bootcamp coach. She really knows her stuff!

I am not Shelby, but believe that a potato hack in P4 is ideal!! Have at it and let us know how it goes. I want to try one in P4 too. But it seems I never make it to P4 in order to try one.

[onedimsim]

Folks, Refresh my memory on GY correction day? Fat Free GY only? or the full fat one?

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by onedimsim

Folks, Refresh my memory on GY correction day? Fat Free GY only? or the full fat one?

Full fat! Definitely full fat.

[onedimsim]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Whenever I do a CD in P3, I always instruct others to have a "clean P3 day" the very next day. A clean P3 entails NO NUTS and NO CHEESE. Those are the most likely culprits in weight gain, thus the advice of not eating them. The advice comes from my hcg bootcamp coach. She really knows her stuff!

Interesting! should these be avoided or just used in moderation during ALL of P3? If i look @ my last correction day, prior to it i was adding in bit of cheese (like 1 oz per day) and nuts (10/15 nuts per day).....

Culprit?

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by onedimsim

Interesting! should these be avoided or just used in moderation during ALL of P3? If i look @ my last correction day, prior to it i was adding in bit of cheese (like 1 oz per day) and nuts (10/15 nuts per day).....

Culprit?

When you are in P3, the purpose of the phase is to find out what food(s) you are sensitive to. So when you add in a food, you are to see if your body reacts to it. The way to do that is if you have a gain when you eat it. Hence the very reason to weigh in every single day. If you see a gain, you know you have hit a food you should avoid. Take Torister. She noticed a gain every time she had almond flour. She would gain like 4 lbs after she would eat something with almond flour in it. So that clues her into knowing her body is sensitive to it! Now most of us won't have that abrupt a weight gain, but something like that would definitely be a clue!

I said "following a correction day" you do a "clean P3 day". Then after that, you eat P3 style. So no, you don't have to eat cheese or nuts in moderation UNLESS you have an intolerance to them and have to avoid them. The rules
of P3 are NO SUGAR AND NO STARCH. Not, no nuts and no cheese. People tend to overdue those 2 items once in P3 (I know I DO ) so that is why there is that little caveat in there. I have a hard time with portion control. I Love cheese slathered on everything, not just 1 oz. I also love nuts too much to stop at 10 or 15. I have more along the lines of 10 or 15 handfuls. You can take my advice or leave it! Up to you and I won't know if you adhere to it or not. Just passing along information I have learned (and paid for!) along the way.

[toomuchbooty]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

If you have the substitution of the pork rinds handy, I'd love it. Sweet/salty is awesome! Also to TMB - do you think you could sub almond butter instead of cashew? I really can't have cashews around! Also, do these stay solid out of the freezer or do they melt?

Shelby,you could try almond butter but it would be less like the original Nanaimo bar. I chose cashews because they are more neutral tasting. I've been keeping mine in the freezer and letting them defrost a little before eating them. I will have to test them out to see how well they hold up. There is a lot of coconut oil, so I imagine they would get a bit soft if left out too long.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by toomuchbooty

Shelby,you could try almond butter but it would be less like the original Nanaimo bar. I chose cashews because they are more neutral tasting. I've been keeping mine in the freezer and letting them defrost a little before eating them. I will have to test them out to see how well they hold up. There is a lot of coconut oil, so I imagine they would get a bit soft if left out too long.

I've never had one so I don't know what the original tastes like. Do they use cashews? I mean if I *HAD* to eat cashews, I suppose I could. For the sake of the recipe, of course...

[toomuchbooty]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

I've never had one so I don't know what the original tastes like. Do they use cashews? I mean if I *HAD* to eat cashews, I suppose I could. For the sake of the recipe, of course...

In the original recipe, the middle is a butter, icing sugar and custard powder. It's pretty much pure, sweetened fat.Super sweet.

[onedimsim]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I said "following a correction day" you do a "clean P3 day". Then after that, you eat P3 style. So no, you don't have to eat cheese or nuts in moderation UNLESS you have an intolerance to them and have to avoid them. The rules
of P3 are NO SUGAR AND NO STARCH. Not, no nuts and no cheese. People tend to overdue those 2 items once in P3 (I know I DO ) so that is why there is that little caveat in there. I have a hard time with portion control. I Love cheese slathered on everything, not just 1 oz. I also love nuts too much to stop at 10 or 15. I have more along the lines of 10 or 15 handfuls. You can take my advice or leave it! Up to you and I won't know if you adhere to it or not. Just passing along information I have learned (and paid for!) along the way.

Thanks Dawn! I am frightened to death to actually have nuts around me in any large portion - so my 10/15 have been "gifted" nuts from other folks . Cheese I am OK with generally - however I made some of those cream cheese mini muffin thingy's and i felt as if the remaining four were staring at me

[Lifeisgood]

Originally Posted by onedimsim

Sort of interested in this one too! My hubby is doing a short round and will have 7 injections left.

I think someone on here does freeze injections and I can't remember who that was, but I think they said make sure you allow for the liquid to expand...

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by toomuchbooty

In the original recipe, the middle is a butter, icing sugar and custard powder. It's pretty much pure, sweetened fat.Super sweet.

Hmmm...I wondered about using a sugarfree butter cream (that's like butter icing here in the US--kind of like what you described) maybe with sf vanilla pudding powder. I also made a meringue buttercream last fall. Hmmm... May play around with it--thanks TMB! Sorry one more q. Is there sugar in the chocolate topping? It wasn't in the recipe and I thought the other layers were probably sweet enough without but thought I'd ask.

[toomuchbooty]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Hmmm...I wondered about using a sugarfree butter cream (that's like butter icing here in the US--kind of like what you described) maybe with sf vanilla pudding powder. I also made a meringue buttercream last fall. Hmmm... May play around with it--thanks TMB! Sorry one more q. Is there sugar in the chocolate topping? It wasn't in the recipe and I thought the other layers were probably sweet enough without but thought I'd ask.

I didn't add any sweetener to the chocolate layer. I used 85% dark lindt, it is very low carb naturally. I find the dark chocolate is nice with the sweeter layers.

[walkingwoman]

uH OH. Shelby, what is sf butter cream? do I even want to know I am shopping a variety of grocery stores now and saw that my Albertsons has sf angelfood cake made with Splenda. Nice size portions and decent calories etc for when I hit p4. i saw on their site a recipe for making angelfood cake bruschetta with berries. Doesn't that sound divine? Oh and I also came across a pavlova recipe. Completely forgot about pavlova as a wonderful option! I have dessert on the brain since seeing TMB's glorious creation

[Avy]

Dairy and peanut butter seem to be ok. Yay. And my low carb single serve cake. Going to finish the night with greek yogurt with chia/flake/coconut, and see how that works. Couldn't bring myself to eat supper tonight, just not into it.

March 5, 2013 184.60 Vlcd 23 - LDW
March 6, 2013 184.60 Vlcd 24 Day 1 no drops
March 7, 2013 184.80 Vlcd 25 Day 2 no drops
March 8, 2013 185.60 Vlcd 26 Day 3 – about 1000 cals
March 9, 2013 185.40 P3 Day 1 ramping up to 1800 cals to stabilize.
March 10, 2013 184.80 P3 Day 2 1577 cals
March 11, 2013 185.00 P3 day 3 1809 cals
March 12, 2013 185.40 P3 day 4 1876 cals
March 13, 2013 185.60 P3 day 5 1801 cals
March 14, 2013 186.20 P3 day 6 1573 cals
March 15, 2013 186.20 P3 day 7 1595 cals
March 16, 2013 187.20 P3 day 8 1506 cals
March 17, 2013 186.20 P3 day 9 1546 cals
March 18, 2013 186.00 P3 day 10 1322 cals
March 19, 2013 185.60 P3 day 11 1414 cals

[sherrymyra]

Well I'm thinking that gain for me maybe was salt. I was down 1.2 this morning. Still a bit up but will see what scale says tomorrow. Makes me nervous to do a CD. I didn't need to in my first two rounds. I don't know why, but it worries me that I will end up doing them constantly and won't get back down. The thing is I didn't really eat anything I wasn't already eating. Just that darn fajita mix.

[quezsmom]

okay so I had a post, and I guess it disappeared into thread hell? Go figure. Anyway day 1 of P3 and I am stuffed to the gills. OMG! who would have thought that trying to eat the calories you actually need would be so difficult. Crazily enough I had to change over to Fitbit from the other site I was using. The other one said my calorie count was 1900, fitbit said it was 2454. Go figure. I should be at around 2500. I didn't make it. I am at 2007 and I still have to eat 1/2 grapefruit. I just don't know if I can... I ve had all my water. I only had 2 cups of coffee today. I had an apple. I could only double breakfast and lunch portion of protein. My dinner time I just didn't want to eat at all, so I had to go with just 4oz of chicken plus veggies. I got in plenty of veggies today. I love love love cooking with CO again! Love the smell of it! i've had 96oz of water, plus cup of tea. I forgot to get my probiotics, so tomorrow will be another trip to the store for them. I am interested to see what the scale says tomorrow. Thanks for the input guys.. I am definitely going to go with the higher weight as my LDW -278.2.

today I was 279.6 which is up +1.4. Part of that is that I woke up 4hrs earlier and weighed. I needed to go to the store, and I was gonna eat before I came back so no other way to weigh. Also maybe some sodium as well. Still can't wait to see how well I did. You know if I hadn't eaten at IHOP today, I don't think I would even be at 2000. OMG!

how do you guys get in all the food?

ciao marva

[dawnyama]

Marva--day 1 of P3 is hard. Your stomach shrinks in P2. How can it not with so little food . In just a few days your body will get acclimated to eating again (wake up those organs that were dormant when you ate so little) and you WILL be able to eat all the food. Trust me You may just have to work your way up to your allowed calories.

[walkingwoman]

Morning Ladies! Scale is down exactly 1 pound under my ldw and today is day 15. i guess my body is just adjusting to where it want to be since I am not making awny effort to lose more, it's just doing it. i suppose I could up something? I've been eating shrimp a bunch but in large quantities and usually with eggs too. i love a nice salad with shrimp, hb eggs, a variety of veggies and a homemade caper dressing. Guess I'll just keep doing what I'm doing. I'm not going to force feed myself to a number. I suspect all my walking greatly helps as well. Hmmm...tomorrow will be my challenge day. Game night rescheduled for then plus making tmb's goodies

[torister]

Just popping in to say Hi!!

Enjoying P4 and looking forward to starting a new round some time around Easter depending when my HCG arrives. I am loving having steel cut oats with blueberries, cream and cinnamon for bfast. I am adding *some* extras like almond flour biscuits (from Elana's Pantry website) and they are delish with butter when I am hungry and I have a while until my next meal.

Starting my new job on Monday. I an excited and nervous all at once!!

[quezsmom]

I need to do a correction day. Day 2 up 2.8bls. Can I have coffee with cream or just water? Hoping peanut butter is the culprit. Plan to do 1 CD day, 1 clean P3, then try PB again to make sure, if so no PB for me..

[onedimsim]

Up 2 lbs this morning...sigh....the Scale @ the hotel hates me - I'm convinced. Maybe it is the Travel Day lack of sleep on Tuesday. I also was a little bad yesterday and had sausage in the morning, cheese and a bit of breaded chicken for dinner (like 1.5 oz). Lunch was pretty darn perfect. Today I am resolved to eat very clean P3 (almost P2) - no cheese - very limited dairy (little milk in tea) - we will see if that will take me back down. I am .7 lbs away from buying myself another steak day! Although my pattern seems to be that i either stall (P2) or GAIN (P3) when I am on the road! Saturday the scale at home is typically nicer to me...(but hard to tell b/c Friday i did a correction day) i don't know if it is 1) the scales are different (both digital bathroom varieties) 2) the less sleep when i travel - yesterday i can point to my food choices MAYBE....i just don't understand the variables???
FYI - i am sticking to ~1100 calories and 100+ gm protein.

I log my food diary on another website and would welcome folks to look @ my calories - but link over to that other popular website removed by moderators twice now

[shelbyla]

onedimsum - If you are in your window, do not stress over it. It is completely and totally normal to go up and down in P3. Also, lack of sleep, travel AND restaurant food can all cause issues. Yes, I'd stay away from breading and eat clean but seriously, it's normal. And frankly, I NEVER trust anyone's scale but my own and I don't even trust my own if it isn't in EXACTLY the same spot on the bathroom floor!

Any particular reason you are sticking to 1100 calories? That's well below starvation level. I'd try to gradually raise to something closer to normal, but that's just me. I don't want to "stabilize" well below BMR then not lose as fast or as well in P2.

Linking to sites where they sell things or have advertisements isn't permitted according to TOS so those links always get removed.

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Not much to update for me. Had a wonderful trip with my sweetie which included all kinds of eating and drinking. Giving myself a couple of days to reduce travel bloat then weighing. Pants are still fitting and I'm hopeful the potato fast got me a little more used to starches. I've got two young gals visiting me for the next 6 days (one Mom is an old friend--they are out for their spring break) but I'm thinking it should be slightly easier to eat clean with them and maybe get in a few workouts. More to come.

KUTGW everyone!!!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by quezsmom

I need to do a correction day. Day 2 up 2.8bls. Can I have coffee with cream or just water? Hoping peanut butter is the culprit. Plan to do 1 CD day, 1 clean P3, then try PB again to make sure, if so no PB for me..

I think all of them allow coffee/cream during the day. What kind of cd are you doing? I doubt that peanut butter is the culprit unless you ate cups of it. Probably restaurant food and sheer bulk from the volume of food. Good luck whatever you decide!

I've found that easing into P3 and slowly raising calories worked better for me than an all-out head-first dive. I did that twice on goal rounds and it backfired both times. Just something to think about.

[onedimsim]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Any particular reason you are sticking to 1100 calories? That's well below starvation level. I'd try to gradually raise to something closer to normal, but that's just me. I don't want to "stabilize" well below BMR then not lose as fast or as well in P2.

I am going to a WL clinic that advices 1000 calories for the first couple of weeks in P3 then up to 1200 for the next couple - i do agree I want to get my metabolism as high as possible (e.g., used to higher calories) prior to starting another round (due to start April 15th or thereabouts). I am inching up 100 kcal a week (i actually did way too little week one - I'm on day P3D12 i think). I know orig. protocol does not have calorie restrictions on P3 - but i have to admit I'm scared of food a bit! Think i should go ahead and pump up calories a bit more now? My end game is to have a successful 2nd round so whatever that takes....I will do! I am also burning on average of 600 calories a day @ gym - so maybe under-eating is getting me?

I am trying to be "cool" about the two lb gain

[onedimsim]

Originally Posted by quezsmom

I need to do a correction day. Day 2 up 2.8bls. Can I have coffee with cream or just water? Hoping peanut butter is the culprit. Plan to do 1 CD day, 1 clean P3, then try PB again to make sure, if so no PB for me..

Steak Day Correction treated me well - 3.1 lb loss - little hungry and miserable in the afternoon but had a really lovely prime rib that made it all better!

[Lifeisgood]

P2...DONE!
I didn't take my injection today - movin it up one more day. I can smell baaacooon it's so close. See ya Friday Mr. Bacon.

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Does this happen to anyone here, if you eat lot of stevia, splenda, equal or sweet and low. You get extra hungry or you just want to eat and eat.
I had like 12 packets today with tea and 2 mug cakes. Plus a coke zero. I just want to eat everything right Now. A year ago one packet was enough.

[Lifeisgood]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Does this happen to anyone here, if you eat lot of stevia, splenda, equal or sweet and low. You get extra hungry or you just want to eat and eat.
I had like 12 packets today with tea and 2 mug cakes. Plus a coke zero. I just want to eat everything right Now. A year ago one packet was enough.

I know that the splenda packets do have carbs (but not the liquid form), I use the liquid stevia. The coke zero (my personal favorite) may have excitotoxins in there that make you crave more. Sugar in any form can make you crave more I think.

I'm a grazer on P3.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by onedimsim

Steak Day Correction treated me well - 3.1 lb loss - little hungry and miserable in the afternoon but had a really lovely prime rib that made it all better!

Yum! And thanks for explaining about the ramp up. That makes more sense but I would probably go a bit higher a bit faster, especially since you are exercising. I posted my most recent ramp up in the short form thread--it's basically 250 calories PER DAY, starting on 2nd vlcd after injections stop so a bit quicker. Obviously YMMV but I'd go a little faster is I were you.

Originally Posted by Lifeisgood

P2...DONE!
I didn't take my injection today - movin it up one more day. I can smell baaacooon it's so close. See ya Friday Mr. Bacon.

Dude! 71 days! CRRRRAAAAZY! Enjoy your bacon!

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Does this happen to anyone here, if you eat lot of stevia, splenda, equal or sweet and low. You get extra hungry or you just want to eat and eat.
I had like 12 packets today with tea and 2 mug cakes. Plus a coke zero. I just want to eat everything right Now. A year ago one packet was enough.

Yes, the more I eat, the more I want. For me anyway, it really provokes that insulin/leptin response. I've really been trying to cut back and it HAS helped.

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

I've really got to pay attention to this. I think I may be on to something here! Im really seeing a pattern.