P3~P4 SIMEONS PROTOCOL MARCH 2013

[pandora174]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

I'm .8 over my 2lb. Limit so a Greek yogurt correction day is the plan for me. Should I still have my tea and coffee today? Should I drink coconut water to help.with the water retention? This is my first cd. Tomorrow is the last day of p3.

Dons: I think a week between correction days. I know back to back correction days don't work. the weight loss won't stay off.

When I do my correction days I skip the coconut water in the morning (I'm just worried it will interfere somehow ) I have no proof of that but I tend to stress over CD so why give myself something else to worry about kwim ?I have my coffee with hwc throughout the day & I break up the GY into meals and even a snack if needed. I have added berries or just sweetner & cinammon & even one time the sugar free chocholate powder. I also drink tons of water.

The GY itself makes me go to the bathroom like crazy. Good luck !!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

I've been eating to many almonds, cashews and macadamia nuts and cheese. To much snacking and not enough real meals.

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Thank you for the information.

On this p3. I've noticed the days I don't put in my calorie and percentage tracker, I'm less stressed out and eat cleaner. When I start adding stuff in the tracker its like I eat more. I feel guilt. Or I see how far I can push the calories, fats, protein and carbs for the day.

[donsdatter]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Dons: I think a week between correction days. I know back to back correction days don't work. the weight loss won't stay off.

Thank you for this! I will keep eating as clean as I can and then I will do a correction day in a week if the weight is still up. My impending TOM probably has something to do with the extra weight too.

I was feeling discouraged, but then my husband reminded me that 6 weeks ago I weighed 205, so struggling to stay at 175 is not such a bad thing. So to put it in perspective, if I level off at 177, I have still lost 28 pounds.

He's right. I just don't want to go back to the way I was before!

[pandora174]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Thank you for the information.

On this p3. I've noticed the days I don't put in my calorie and percentage tracker, I'm less stressed out and eat cleaner. When I start adding stuff in the tracker its like I eat more. I feel guilt. Or I see how far I can push the calories, fats, protein and carbs for the day.

YES and I tend to snack more ! but I also tend to get nervous about the carbs when I keep track of my food & then next thing my carb percentage goes way down & I do not want to be low carb. I want my 2 fruit/veggies & then my healthy starches in P4. I also tend to do the same thing "oh I have how much left ?" and the all of a sudden I'm hungry

Trying to see if I can just go with a set menu but not enter into any tracker & see what happens.

[Jeanyyy]

Up 0.8 today, to .8 above LDW, so still okay... I know what happened yesterday, it was Indian food including a little rice and naan (on P3).. Naughty, I know.

As for the main dishes, I got butter chicken and lamb curry (for DH). I sauteed about 1 lb of chicken breast and added that to the butter chicken and let it simmer a while with a little extra cream and chicken broth since, as is, it tasted very tomatoe-y and I knew it would cook down some. It turned out great and of course, the extra chicken stretched it out a lot! There is still a bunch left over. I ate about 200 grams of it including sauce, 1 piece of lamb, and the aforesaid 1/4 cup rice and 1/4 naan. So yeah, starch in P3 - probably not such a good idea. I'll be eating clean today but may still have butter chicken for lunch without the bread or rice. And some kind of fish for dinner, I have mahi mahi and cod in the house at the moment.

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Dons: That is a great loss! Your doing great! I understand that, I don't want to go back either. It's a daily battle,especially when you are doing all you can

Jeanyyy that sounds yummy. I almost ate a tortilla chip last night. I had drop it and run lol

Pandora: you should do fine with a set menu. I do better with that set structure. If I could just eat what I want it would be nuts and cheese all day lol

[walkingwoman]

Tmb, That is BEAUTIFUL!! what an awesome dessert! My gamenight was just changed and I am going to make that to take! Thanks for the brilliant idea!

I'm below my ldw again today and dare I say I had a banana and some chocolate chips yesterday. My body seems to be adapting well. I haven't gone crazy on any one food type and haven't had much starch (a little, but very limited and yes, I know it's a no-no)
My weight has been under my ldw for the last 5 days. It seems to want to stabilize lower? dunno. I do know i'm eating plenty and I log my food, my fitbit records my exercise and tells me how many calories to eat to maintain, etc. so I'm just going on. I'm on day 13 of p3 today

[fiveninepointfive]

Originally Posted by dooy

Just got back from vacation and finished day 2 of loading. Starting R2P2VLCD1 tomorrow! Not sure how long I'm going to do P2. NOT another 40 days, though. I was so good on vacation until three or four days ago and then, the fecal matter hit the rotary oscillator and I wound up in a binge today. I am hating myself right now but will get over it. Weighing in tomorrow and will just get back on track. I'll be over at P2 mostly but will read here tonight to catch up on how everyone is doing!

Lol! You are human. Plus, loading is sort of like a binge. Good luck!

[Avy]

Had a tablespoon of peanut butter yesterday and also some sour cream. Seems to be ok! I really need to eat more during the day so that I don't have to eat a big meal for supper. it will probably be easier when I can eat more dairy and things like pepperoni sticks for snacks during the day.

March 5, 2013 184.60 Vlcd 23 - LDW
March 6, 2013 184.60 Vlcd 24 Day 1 no drops
March 7, 2013 184.80 Vlcd 25 Day 2 no drops
March 8, 2013 185.60 Vlcd 26 Day 3 – about 1000 cals
March 9, 2013 185.40 P3 Day 1 ramping up to 1800 cals to stabilize.
March 10, 2013 184.80 P3 Day 2 1577 cals
March 11, 2013 185.00 P3 day 3 1809 cals
March 12, 2013 185.40 P3 day 4 1876 cals
March 13, 2013 185.60 P3 day 5 1801 cals
March 14, 2013 186.20 P3 day 6 1573 cals
March 15, 2013 186.20 P3 day 7 1595 cals
March 16, 2013 187.20 P3 day 8 1506 cals
March 17, 2013 186.20 P3 day 9 1546 cals
March 18, 2013 186.00 P3 day 10 1322 cals - just can't eat any more right now, and don't want to eat after 8, so I think that's it for today.

[toomuchbooty]

Originally Posted by Avy

Had a tablespoon of peanut butter yesterday and also some sour cream. Seems to be ok! I really need to eat more during the day so that I don't have to eat a big meal for supper. it will probably be easier when I can eat more dairy and things like pepperoni sticks for snacks during the day.

When you are ready, you should eat the Nanaimo bar I posted earlier! It's full of delicious healthy fats! :P

[sherrymyra]

I can't believe I was up 2 pounds this morning. This is P3 day 14. So far I have been almost on my ldw. Hopefully it is water weight. I really never ate anything different. For supper I did make fajita meat (no tortilla) which was maybe too salty.

I guess if it is still up in the morning I will probably do the yogurt CD. I really didn't want to go the CD route. So you can still have coffee with cream? That would make it not so bad then. lol.

[Avy]

I will scroll back and look for it. Funny thing is, I never liked them my whole life lol. But I'm betting I won't mind them these days.

Originally Posted by toomuchbooty

When you are ready, you should eat the Nanaimo bar I posted earlier! It's full of delicious healthy fats! :P

[toomuchbooty]

Originally Posted by Avy

I will scroll back and look for it. Funny thing is, I never liked them my whole life lol. But I'm betting I won't mind them these days.

My boyfriend and I decided these are superior. Nanaimo bars are far too sweet, even for my sweet tooth. These are tempered by the nuttiness of the cashews.

[walkingwoman]

Tmb, a gazillion years ago I remember making something similar to this and the recipe was made with crushed pork rinds as the base, then chocolate, then coconut and they were out of this world as well. I think it was the saltiness of the rinds that made them really fantastic. You added a sweetener to the rinds but you still got that sweet and salty action going Hadn't thought about those in literally years and years

[quezsmom]

TMB, WALKINGWOMAN, AVY, JEANYY.....I FOUND YA

It's official I finished my long round of P2 ending at 49 days /7 weeks down 36lbs. I am over the moon, so happy with my success. I cannot wait to start P3 tomorrow. I did my two days w/o hcg did well. I am on an online tracking site as we speak creating a menu for tomorrow so I don't over do it with every thing I wanna eat. I figured I'd add 1 day of eating out if I have to (have a 12year old) he's been very patient with me these last 7 weeks, no eating out! My plan is to make my menu the day before so I know what I get to try each day and can really watch my body for any reactions. Glad to see everyone doing so well on P3.

so question, I know your LDW is the last day you take the drops. Mine was 277.6 The following day I went up to 278.2, and I am the same today. I'm thinking of using the 278.2 as my LDW what do you think? Its such a close number. I mean if I went anywhere near up 2lbs then I could be 280.2 and not be over. If I had come back down instead of maintaining the 278 I probably would just go by the 277.6. Just curious looking for input?

loving this journey....

ciao marva

[donsdatter]

I think coconut cream is a trigger food for me. I ate all P2 foods and some coconut cream yesterday, and I am up .8. I'm going to cut out the coconut cream and try again today. Then I am definitely going to do a steak day on Saturday.

Has anyone tried correction days closer than a week with any success? I am up 3.4 from LDW.

[Jeanyyy]

Marva, I think it's really up to you. It's only .6 lbs after all. You could also decide to use 3 lbs as the Correction Day trigger. You already know what the book says. I'd be tempted to use the 278.2 as LDW too.

Down 0.7 today, to 181.8 lbs... just 0.1 over LDW. I'm maintaining well again this round, but still do not have calories up to where they should be. Gotta work on that! I should be around 1800 but seem to be averaging closer to 1500. I find it tough without starches and sugars... and tend to run out of "day" to get them all in.

[dooy]

Originally Posted by pandora174

here's a question ? This P2 round I have not been entering my foods in my food log. I realized as long as I am eating the allotted foods looking at the numbers & percentages is useless & causing me stress. Every other past round I always put everything in a tracker.

So in 2 weeks I go into P3. I am trying to not get caught up in the percentages & P3 is very stressful as it is. Has anyone done P3 without entering all their foods in a food log ? I'm not planning on being adventuresome & I'm eating what I know has worked for me in the past. I do have my old food logs to refer back to. Just wondering

I didn't do the food log in P3. Stayed on P3 for 4 weeks although the last week we were on vacation so I got a little more free with food. Didn't go up or down more than the two lbs in P3. At first, I was really scared to add anything other than more P2 foods and felt like I was obsessing over every bite, weighing protein, but I realized that for me, this is the crazy diet mentality that keeps me in the hamster wheel. NOT to say I wasn't cognizant of portions but I focused more on hunger rhythms this time. I added cream, nuts, additional fruits, avocados, full fat dressings, some wine occasionally, and some fried, breaded fish and DH and I shared a dessert several evenings on vacation. I ate to contentment, not to "stuffed". I had one binge day of loading as I am now back on round 2 of P2 but back on track. I wish you well with whatever you decide! I know these are really personal decisions but I learn so much from all of you! YOU, Pandora, are in inspiration!

Originally Posted by walkingwoman

I'm below my ldw again today and dare I say I had a banana and some chocolate chips yesterday. My body seems to be adapting well. I haven't gone crazy on any one food type and haven't had much starch (a little, but very limited and yes, I know it's a no-no)
My weight has been under my ldw for the last 5 days. It seems to want to stabilize lower? dunno. I do know i'm eating plenty and I log my food, my fitbit records my exercise and tells me how many calories to eat to maintain, etc. so I'm just going on. I'm on day 13 of p3 today

I love my fitbit, too! I am back on P2 (day 3) and ready for another round of loses!! I'm going to be more intentional about exercising this time. You get in a LOT of steps! I need to really set some step goals!

Originally Posted by fiveninepointfive

Lol! You are human. Plus, loading is sort of like a binge. Good luck!

LOL! Thanks for the encouragement! I really am trying to learn how to have a healthy relationship with food and my scale! I'm happy to report that I was 151.4 this morning which is a pound under my LDW from round 1! Day 3 of R2P2!

[toomuchbooty]

Quezsmom, I adjusted my LIW up 3 whole lbs because that is where my weight seemed to stabilize. Now, I've dropped back down a pound, but I'm going to keep the higher LIW.

Today is my last day of p3, but I will admit I started p4 early yesterday when I had two pieces of salmon nigiri at dinner. That is about 3 tbsp of cooked sushi rice.

I'm really looking forward to sweet potatoes and squash!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Greek yogurt Correction day was a success. Down to 182.4 that's .2 above from my ldw. lost 2.6lbs
I don't know how I should eat today. I had 3 eggs scrambled with rotel. And some guacamole. Now I'm thinking this was a bad idea. To much sodium I'm sure since it was all canned and pre made.

Shelby: do you think doing a potato hack in p4, is a good idea? I was thinking of doing one before I start another round next month.

[walkingwoman]

Looks like everyone is doing great! Love all the positive posts Scale is still below my ldw and my steps are still up in the 20K. So, doing well and just working my way through p3. I definitely think my body wants to stabilize a pound or so less than my ldw since this is the 6th day it's been below. No problem for me. Seriously thinking I'm going to do something to lose 5 more after I finish p3 but not sure that going back to p2 is the answer for me. I'm getting more into socializing and p2 makes it very difficult for any 'real' dates. Coffee dates, no worries but otherwise, sorta hard. Thinking maybe I will just continue doing what I have been and see where it takes me. I'm not really missing anything at the moment (this could change...lol) so eating p3 style for a bit might be my answer? do I really need to go to p4 after my 3 weeks or can I continue on p3? experts? opinions? Thanks!

Wishing everyone a great day and keep up the good work!

[Lifeisgood]

Has anyone had luck with freezing their HCG injections for later use? I'm going to have 4 shots left due to my ending date and want to save them for the next round in a few weeks.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Greek yogurt Correction day was a success. Down to 182.4 that's .2 above from my ldw. lost 2.6lbs
I don't know how I should eat today. I had 3 eggs scrambled with rotel. And some guacamole. Now I'm thinking this was a bad idea. To much sodium I'm sure since it was all canned and pre made.

Shelby: do you think doing a potato hack in p4, is a good idea? I was thinking of doing one before I start another round next month.

Glad the GY CD worked for you. Don't worry too much about the rotel and guac. If you go up, you know it's sodium and will go back down. As far as the potato fast, I'm not sure. Do you have carb sensitivities? The reason I do it is to heal the gut and reduce my carb sensitivities. Jury is still out on the latest PH. Giving myself a few days of normal eating (i.e. lower carb, non-train, non-restaurant food) after my mini-vacation. You might try a potato hack just to see how you do. It really IS an exercise in patience though. You really can't expect to see much loss/benefit unless you do at least 3 to 4 days and you might see a whole lotta STS or even go up the first couple of days. I actually like it--it helps me get my head in the right place, iykwim--but I can see how it would freak some people right out!

Originally Posted by walkingwoman

Looks like everyone is doing great! Love all the positive posts Scale is still below my ldw and my steps are still up in the 20K. So, doing well and just working my way through p3. I definitely think my body wants to stabilize a pound or so less than my ldw since this is the 6th day it's been below. No problem for me. Seriously thinking I'm going to do something to lose 5 more after I finish p3 but not sure that going back to p2 is the answer for me. I'm getting more into socializing and p2 makes it very difficult for any 'real' dates. Coffee dates, no worries but otherwise, sorta hard. Thinking maybe I will just continue doing what I have been and see where it takes me. I'm not really missing anything at the moment (this could change...lol) so eating p3 style for a bit might be my answer? do I really need to go to p4 after my 3 weeks or can I continue on p3? experts? opinions? Thanks!

Wishing everyone a great day and keep up the good work!

You can keep eating P3 indefinitely if you like it. You might check out the Perfect Health Diet or Pacfic Paleo/Primal if you're trying to keep it healthy but still add a few good carbs back.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by walkingwoman

Tmb, a gazillion years ago I remember making something similar to this and the recipe was made with crushed pork rinds as the base, then chocolate, then coconut and they were out of this world as well. I think it was the saltiness of the rinds that made them really fantastic. You added a sweetener to the rinds but you still got that sweet and salty action going Hadn't thought about those in literally years and years

If you have the substitution of the pork rinds handy, I'd love it. Sweet/salty is awesome! Also to TMB - do you think you could sub almond butter instead of cashew? I really can't have cashews around! Also, do these stay solid out of the freezer or do they melt?

Originally Posted by donsdatter

I think coconut cream is a trigger food for me. I ate all P2 foods and some coconut cream yesterday, and I am up .8. I'm going to cut out the coconut cream and try again today. Then I am definitely going to do a steak day on Saturday.

Has anyone tried correction days closer than a week with any success? I am up 3.4 from LDW.

Yes, I've done it. CD's shouldn't be done back to back for best results (and to keep them effective for when they are really needed) but you can do CD, clean eating day, CD, clean eating day, etc. with no issues. It's fine. You also may be stabilizing a bit higher than LDW. It happens sometimes. Also, that 0.8 may have absolutely NOTHING to do with the coconut cream. That is actually a very small amount and could be attributed easily to too much salt, not enough Bernice visits, any old time of the month (ovulation, your period, etc.), or the phase of the moon! I think it was my second round where I literally would go up and down by 2+ pounds every day. I got numb to it after a while! Chin up!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Shelby: I don't think I am that sensitive to carbs. I will do a few days of p4 and see how I do. If I blow up lol I will correct and do the potato hack.

[onedimsim]

Originally Posted by Lifeisgood

Has anyone had luck with freezing their HCG injections for later use? I'm going to have 4 shots left due to my ending date and want to save them for the next round in a few weeks.

Sort of interested in this one too! My hubby is doing a short round and will have 7 injections left.

[walkingwoman]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

If you have the substitution of the pork rinds handy, I'd love it. Sweet/salty is awesome! Also to TMB - do you think you could sub almond butter instead of cashew? I really can't have cashews around! Also, do these stay solid out of the freezer or do they melt?

I just searched the recipe forum high and low for the old recipe but can't find it but, as I recall it was basically using crushed pork rinds in place of crushed graham crackers as a crust for something similar to a magic bar. So, you crushed the porkrinds, mixed with some melted butter and could add sweetner if you'd like or not and then used that as a base for whatever topping you were going with. I'd think the nut butter then choc then possibly coconut topping would be a sure hit! yikes. lol...I am making tmb's on Thursday but won't pick up the ingredients till then. They sound way too good and I could just see myself landing face first into those babies

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by donsdatter

I think coconut cream is a trigger food for me. I ate all P2 foods and some coconut cream yesterday, and I am up .8. I'm going to cut out the coconut cream and try again today. Then I am definitely going to do a steak day on Saturday.

Has anyone tried correction days closer than a week with any success? I am up 3.4 from LDW.

You really should NOT go a week before doing one. I have heard of some doing every other day CDs. But do NOT wait a full week! That is way too much time in between doing one WHEN IT IS NECESSARY. Good luck!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by sherrymyra

I can't believe I was up 2 pounds this morning. This is P3 day 14. So far I have been almost on my ldw. Hopefully it is water weight. I really never ate anything different. For supper I did make fajita meat (no tortilla) which was maybe too salty.

I guess if it is still up in the morning I will probably do the yogurt CD. I really didn't want to go the CD route. So you can still have coffee with cream? That would make it not so bad then. lol.

I have my cups of coffee with every CD I do while in P3. They have not harmed me yet! I don't know why you say "it would not make it that bad then". On a yogurt CD you don't have to fast all day. You get to eat all day Maybe you just don't like the thought of eating one food all day long? Is that what you dread?