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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 4,673
Gallery: shelbyla
Stats: 210/141/140
WOE: hhCG, rx hCG
Start Date: rx hCG R5 start 08/11/12
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Hi Shelle! Hi Colleen!
Just thought I would pop in here and see how you guys were doing... Great first day drop Shelle! Keeping thinking of that and how GOOD it felt when you are hungry. Sometimes, that's all it takes to power through. Shelle - Like Colleen mentioned (and buttah too I think), fish and shellfish are very low calorie and often do not "satisfy" like beef or chicken. Do you not eat beef? One way that I used beef in my last round that was AWESOME was to make mini-sliders. I would dry-fry a hamburger patty, split it horizontally down the middle, so essentially I had two really thin burgers (although come to think of it you could just fry them that way). I then cut my rounds into 6 little pieces and put them in between two cucumber slices with a dot of reduced-sugar catsup (Heinz makes one that they sell at most grocery stores) and a dot of mustard. Yum! AND it takes forever to put 12 little sliders together so it stretches the meal out. Anyway just an idea. KUTGW guys!
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Pre-hhCG cleanse (P1) - 01/03/2011, 12 days, 210 -> 200 hhCG round 1 - 01/15/2011, 32 days, drops, 10/10/10, 200 -> 175 hhCG round 2 - 04/15/2011, 38 days, drops & pellets, 10/4/10, 177 -> 154 hhCG round 3 - 01/03/2012, 23 days, pellets, 3/3/3, 157 -> 141 _hCG round 4 - 05/05/2012, 24 days, rx hCG, 125IU, 148 -> 136 _hCG round 5 - 08/11/2012, 26 days, rx hCG, 125IU, 159 -> 140
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 348
Gallery: Shelle135
Stats: -3/3days - include 2.6 lb regain from cheat. :(
WOE: HCG injections
Start Date: March 2, 2013
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I didn't know we could have the reduced calorie ketchup. THat will help!
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Ca
Posts: 379
Gallery: Felina
Stats: 250/132/120
WOE: Atkins! HCG, Now JUDDD
Start Date: 7/3/11 Atkins, 12/11/11 hhcg, 2/26/13 JUDDD
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This is where I get into trouble.
I think my hunger sensors are damaged or something since I hardly ever experience hunger. So much of the time I just forget to eat. I usually think that others just never stop eating but my family keeps reminding me that it is because I don't eat. Myself, I wouldn't say that I "don't" eat, but I guess, compared to the way others eat it might seem that way. Nobody can figure out how I got to be so obese. Everyone else in my family eats a lot more and they are normal for their size. My Mom says that she would be dead if she ate the way I do. Well, enough of that history. I think I do eat to hunger in a way. I don't eat much because I'm just not hungry. Most of the time I eat because its something I like. For instance, if my husband came home with Chinese takeout, I would eat it right away, not because I'm hungry but because its so delish. I guess, you would say that's an emotional eater because I'm eating just because I like it, not because I'm hungry. People keep telling me that I have to eat more. Family members text me to remind me to eat. I'm not sure what to do. Eating to hunger has made me deficient in vitamins and maybe was the cause of my obesity, as per several Doctors. They tell me not eating enough has put my body into starvation mode and that was why I kept gaining weight while eating so little. I think thats the reason HCG was the only thing that worked for me for weight loss because HCG prevents starvation mode. Well, now I have one more day left of P3. I have been JUDDDing for a week with p3 foods. Yesterday i ate only 340 calories with no hunger. Today is an UD and I just am not hungry. I don't think I will be able to eat anything else today. I had breakfast but on my UD's I'm supposed to eat 1000 calories more than my DD in order to prevent starvation mode. I don't think I can do it today. Eating to hunger doesn't help if you don't get hungry and consistently eat too low. Without HCG I will get into starvation mode that way. Last time when I did JUDDD and I didn't eat enough I gained six pounds in three days! Im glad this thread was started. it has reminded me to go through the WLA book again. I really want to learn The hunger scale method better in the hopes of repairing my hunger sensors. If I can get hungry like a normal person then maybe I will eat like a normal person. |
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,741
Gallery: buttah
Stats: 189/136/135-138
WOE: P3 w/a dash of P4 + Hunger Scale forever
Start Date: LowCal/Dukan/JUDD 2/12-8/12, then 3 rounds rxHCG
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Shelle, be careful that you are pulling P2 recipes and not P3 ones. I wish I wasn't so swamped. I would post a few for you. I'll try to dig them up. But again, if you use the search feature with my posts and recipes, you'll find them.
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Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: NJ
Posts: 171
Gallery: fiveninepointfive
Stats: 175/148/143
Start Date: February 2012
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 348
Gallery: Shelle135
Stats: -3/3days - include 2.6 lb regain from cheat. :(
WOE: HCG injections
Start Date: March 2, 2013
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As for me....I BOMBED last night!!! I felt something different after I ate. I knew I was NOT HUNGRY and maybe even borderline, past NOT HUNGRY. But the feeling I had was one... hard to describe.... uneasy, not satisfied, something. It was much different. Believe it or not, I would have prefered another night of tormenting hunger than what I felt after dinner last night. I really want to try to describe it.... like cravings were close, will-power weakening. And I knew that there was no reason for this to happen. I should have a better 2nd day than 1st. So I started on water and went to bed... semi-confident. At 12:30 I woke up in full blown cravings, zero will-power, began eating a repeat of my last meal and then went straight to binge. It cost me 2.6 pounds!!!! ![]() ![]() Hindsite.... I ate 2 melba toasts, orange, salsa and low sugar ketchup all in one meal. Also used vanilla extract, worchestire sauce and liquid smoke. Water intake was lower than first day. Would this have done it?
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,741
Gallery: buttah
Stats: 189/136/135-138
WOE: P3 w/a dash of P4 + Hunger Scale forever
Start Date: LowCal/Dukan/JUDD 2/12-8/12, then 3 rounds rxHCG
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Yes, a whole different site, whose name I am not allowed to post. Created by either Robin or her minions.
I used Braggs Liquid Aminos instead of soy sauce, but sparingly due to sodium. It's lower than soy sauce, but still pretty high. I can't remember what my clinic said about soy sauce, but I THINK they recommended Braggs instead. I'm pretty sure my clinic allowed the SF ketchup, but I avoided it (although I did buy some). My big thing is mustard. I used O Organics Dijon by the ton. It has no sugar. Add a bit of SF Rice Vinegar and stevia to it, and OMG, it's good on steamed asparagus and other things. I stayed away from diet soda's, although my clinic allowed one a day. I probably had one a week. But in the early days, you've got to just get through it, so do what you have to. I don't consider that "cheating, " and I'm pretty anal about that. As far as I know, all extracts are okay. I tended not to need them because I used the flavored stevias by Sweet Leaf. Stevia was VERY important to me on protocol, even for my chicken cabbage dijon recipe (and the French Onion soup, and the Spicy Beef and Onions recipe, which you MUST find.) Again, if I have a second to breathe, I will hunt them down. ETA: just read about your "bomb." I wished you'd just had something on protocol, either some protein (I always put a bit of leftover plain meat or chicken in the fridge), some broth, or a hardboiled egg (what Robin W said to do). Oh well. Next time. FYI, there is an 800 calorie protocol (actually it's more like 600-800) that just adds egg whites and protein (and eliminates the melba/grissini). People who've done both say they've lost as well or better on the that. REMEMBER that if this ever happens again. That said, your gain is probably mostly water (although i really can't tell what you ate total). Be better today!
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 348
Gallery: Shelle135
Stats: -3/3days - include 2.6 lb regain from cheat. :(
WOE: HCG injections
Start Date: March 2, 2013
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Welcome CJTitus! Yes, the book is a must read. I originally downloaded but found it to be such an amazing resource that I bought the paperback.
I am not quite understanding how to do the Hunger Scale Method while on Ph 2. She tells us it is imperative to eat, take shots, go to bed ALWAYS at the same time every day. So how can we do that AND the HSM at the same time. Not to mention that the food we eat will prob not fill us at one setting. |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 348
Gallery: Shelle135
Stats: -3/3days - include 2.6 lb regain from cheat. :(
WOE: HCG injections
Start Date: March 2, 2013
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The Diet Breakfast: Tea or coffee in any quantity without sugar. Only one tablespoonful of milk allowed in 24 hours. Saccharin or Stevia may be used. Lunch: 1. 100 grams of veal, beef, chicken breast, fresh white fish, lobster, crab, or shrimp. All visible fat must be carefully removed before cooking, and the meat must be weighed raw. It must be boiled or grilled without additional fat. Salmon, eel, tuna, herring, dried or pickled fish are not allowed. The chicken breast must be removed from the bird. 2. One type of vegetable only to be chosen from the following: spinach, chard, chicory, beet-greens, green salad, tomatoes, celery, fennel, onions, red radishes, cucumbers, asparagus, cabbage. 3. One breadstick (grissino) or one Melba toast. 4. An apple, orange, or a handful of strawberries or one-half grapefruit. Dinner : The same four choices as lunch (above.) The juice of one lemon daily is allowed for all purposes. Salt, pepper, vinegar, mustard powder, garlic, sweet basil, parsley, thyme, majoram, etc., may be used for seasoning, but no oil, butter or dressing. Tea, coffee, plain water, or mineral water are the only drinks allowed, but they may be taken in any quantity and at all times. In fact, the patient should drink about 2 liters of these fluids per day. You may not be hungry on P2 but you still need to eat even if you just eat the protein.
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 4,673
Gallery: shelbyla
Stats: 210/141/140
WOE: hhCG, rx hCG
Start Date: rx hCG R5 start 08/11/12
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"malt vinegar (from barley), spirit vinegar, molasses, sugar, salt, anchovies, tamarind extract, onions, garlic, spice, and flavoring" Both the molasses and the sugar are no-no's and will cause cravings. I'm not sure what was in your salsa but sometimes those have sugar too. Check your ingredients. Most vanillas are prepared with alcohol which can trigger cravings so something to think about. The "reduced sugar catsup" has the following in it (no ADDED sugars, just sucralose/Splenda as a sweetener). I don't use it much and when I do, I don't use a lot (<2T). Tomato concentrate made from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar, salt, natural flavoring, onion powder, sucralose*, spice. I'm sorry you had this reaction to whatever it was. I'm not really sure what to recommend other than what I've said before. |
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For an late Adele Davis fan don't know why I ever left her teachings. |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: MA
Posts: 504
Gallery: ColleenMA66
Stats: 227/???/147ish I think?
WOE: HCG/Hunger Scale WLA
Start Date: December 1 2008
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I love Robin and love her Youtube channel. I re watch the videos depending on what I need to review and what I might be struggling with at any given moment.
Once I started listening to my body I realized it was telling me what it needed and how much. I need to practice it a lot. Right now I'm trying to fine tune how hungry before I eat and how satisfied before I stop. Somedays are better than others...but it's a learning process and I do think it makes a lot of sense. I'm also reading The Eden Diet...pretty much the same idea but it does include God. |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 348
Gallery: Shelle135
Stats: -3/3days - include 2.6 lb regain from cheat. :(
WOE: HCG injections
Start Date: March 2, 2013
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Hi Jabbok..... I am not sure what your point is that you were trying to make. I did read the P&I a few times as well as TWA. Please explain further.
Shelby... that is what I suspected but didn't realize it was so much. Good information. Thx!!! Colleen... I am very interested in reading that. Love that it includes God. CJTitus... you may never look at food the same way again. LOL!!! |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Ca
Posts: 379
Gallery: Felina
Stats: 250/132/120
WOE: Atkins! HCG, Now JUDDD
Start Date: 7/3/11 Atkins, 12/11/11 hhcg, 2/26/13 JUDDD
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I am not quite understanding how to do the Hunger Scale Method while on Ph 2. She tells us it is imperative to eat, take shots, go to bed ALWAYS at the same time every day. So how can we do that AND the HSM at the same time. Not to mention that the food we eat will prob not fill us at one setting. You don't need to do the hunger scale method on P2, P2 is a diet itself that if you follow you will get results. |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Ca
Posts: 379
Gallery: Felina
Stats: 250/132/120
WOE: Atkins! HCG, Now JUDDD
Start Date: 7/3/11 Atkins, 12/11/11 hhcg, 2/26/13 JUDDD
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I remember Robin Woodall saying that 500 calories is the maximum in p2. If you are not hungry you can eat less. You do not need to eat your entire meal. That's the way I understand it.
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Big Yapper!!!!
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I have heard that you need to make sure to eat all of the protein but you can skip the melba or fruit if you aren't hungry.
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 348
Gallery: Shelle135
Stats: -3/3days - include 2.6 lb regain from cheat. :(
WOE: HCG injections
Start Date: March 2, 2013
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I read the whole book and remember her speaking specifically about the ph 2. I am confused now. I will need to look at it again. I do remember that too Felina.
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 348
Gallery: Shelle135
Stats: -3/3days - include 2.6 lb regain from cheat. :(
WOE: HCG injections
Start Date: March 2, 2013
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Well, I am REALLY working on my hunger/full signals today. In fact, for snack I only ate 1/2 of my apple. Felt ok so I put other half away. I lived! Then for lunch I pulled out my serving of shrimp, ate a little over half, stopped and walked away. I survived again!!! I have those same choices to snack on when the hunger is back. I like this!!!
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: MA
Posts: 504
Gallery: ColleenMA66
Stats: 227/???/147ish I think?
WOE: HCG/Hunger Scale WLA
Start Date: December 1 2008
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That's exactly what I do Shelle. I have 2 bites of burger and an apple slice from lunch sitting here and if I get hungry later I'll have it.
When the feeling goes away I stop....wait about 20 mins and then I'm usually at a 5.5ish and it lasts until next time. One of my issues is waiting too long to eat. I have to work on that. Practice, practice, practice. Robin said in a video to eat to hunger even in P2. I'm not sure if I posted it or not. I am NOT,NOT approaching this as a diet. Nor will I approach the rest of the phases as a diet. If I do that I might as well quit now...diets lead to binges....it's inevitable. If i have had all my food and I'm hungry at 8:30 pm I will be eating a small bit of protein. Somedays I do....somedays I don't. But, I'm not talking about head hunger I'm talking about real, physical hunger. Once you know and understand the difference it gets a bit easier. |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 348
Gallery: Shelle135
Stats: -3/3days - include 2.6 lb regain from cheat. :(
WOE: HCG injections
Start Date: March 2, 2013
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That is very sound advice and makes tons of sense. But you are right, Colleen, it is practice, practice, practice!!! I have done very well today eating to "get rid of hunger". However right now...2:33pm, I am getting hungry and have one meal left and one fruit.
I agree with you. This is NOT a diet but a transformation of how we look at, relate to and use food for the rest of our lives. This is the BEST time to practice it while we are so restricted that binging is NOT an option. Bc the old me would do this for a while and at least once a day, yes, I said once a day, I would end it in a binge and probably get up in middle of the night and secretly binge. Only to ruin all efforts and hopes for the next day. I am SOOO thankful that I am sitting here right now with a twinge of hunger. That twinge is telling me that I AM in control. That food is NOT controlling me and ruining my life. That my body IS functioning at it's utmost calliber to burn fat right. I am thankful!!! So I guess I answered my own question. hahaha! |
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,741
Gallery: buttah
Stats: 189/136/135-138
WOE: P3 w/a dash of P4 + Hunger Scale forever
Start Date: LowCal/Dukan/JUDD 2/12-8/12, then 3 rounds rxHCG
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Just popping in to say that when I skyped with Robin, I asked her how the heck I could eat to hunger on P2 when it was really never enough to remove hunger, at least not quite long enough!
The bottom line is that it's harder in P2, and you might be hungrier than you'll be in P3, but what she DOESN'T want people to do is wait until lunch to eat if they are too hungry prior to then. She said "think of all that you're allowed as on a big platter, and you can draw from that platter any time, in any amounts you need, until it's all gone." It doesn't have to be "meals." Of course the platter wasn't enough for me the first couple of weeks of my first round, and a few days of week one in my second. That's when she said to have the hard-boiled egg. My research and my own obsession told me to have egg whites, or maybe a half yellow, so I added that "to the platter." Was it like eating the HS in P3, or P4? No. But it was way better than waiting until lunch (with nothing more than an apple) and never "catching up to the hunger." A few other things. Cutting up an apple into wedges and sprinkling cinnamon on it to have with coffee for breakfast helped me get to early lunch time. (When I was STARVING and weak, a few times, I had a half-yoke hardboiled egg or just 1/4 cup egg whites cooked wit no oil and a bit of onion for flavor). Nibbling radishes helped too. I often saved a few bites of protein (or I cooked a bit of extra, just a few chunks of chicken maybe) from my lunch and dinner for hunger emergencies those first hungry days. The HCG French Onion soup recipe was a godsend. I repeat: have it at 5pm, or even 4pm... then have your protein for dinner when the hunger returns. THEN have your second apple (I loved apples on P2) when it returns again, at 7 or 8 or so. That usually got me through. I did have better weigh-ins the earlier I stopped eating, but you can't get fixated on that. It's the whole bulk of the protocol time that matters, not the next morning. Final word about evenings. Since HCG I never snack more than a piece of fruit or some TJs seaweed snacks after dinner. I'll have Yogi Licorice tea (no calories) and let my stomach go back to that empty place, where it will be when I go to bed. I am CONVINCED this is the number one reason I've maintained. HCG cured me of the night time snacking. sorry for the rant. I never get on here anymore, and I have so much to say when I do! Last edited by buttah; 03-08-2013 at 04:34 PM.. |
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