dr oz today and hcg

[Sunny7]

i see Dr OZ will be talking about the hcg on his show today if anyone is interested---

[dawnyama]

it comes on at 4PM for me. I cannot wait!!! I rearranged my son's piano lesson today so I can be home to watch it LOL.

[toomuchbooty]

I'll be looking for the summary on here, I don't have cable. :P

[dawnyama]

I will report back!! But only after my kid's piano lessons LOL. It will be late, so if anyone else can get on and update before I can, go ahead and post away!!!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

im recording it lol

[walkingwoman]

It is on twice here. Missed the first showing but will catch it tonight if you guys post and say its worth seeing

[dawnyama]

WW-the previews show that he is actually amazed by it and actually endorses it. So yes, I think it is sooo worth it!! My kids are laughing at me because I postponed their piano lessons by about 15-20 mins so I can actually stay home to watch it! We have no way to record off the tv and I know I can watch it on his website, but why wait?

[buttah]

I'm recording it, but if it's on right now, there goes my work!

[mojopage]

Just watched it..... Dr. Emma has "customized" doses of HCG and different calories for different people- she also included excercise in her protocol. She also teamed up with a chef who transformed some foods from the original protocol- I wish that they would have given a food list.

The chef mixed veggies, included broccoli, "faux-tatos", and used Panko for breading- there was also a fruit dipping sauce for the panko cooked shrimp. She also mixed roasted veggies-

[toomuchbooty]

Were they talking about rx or prescription?

[mojopage]

I just looked at her recipes on his website- coconut shrimp with whole wheat panko and SF apricot jelly for a dip- egg white omlette with ham.......

[mojopage]

Originally Posted by toomuchbooty

Were they talking about rx or prescription?

Rx injections (into the stomach)

[artsyfartsy]

Originally Posted by mojopage

Just watched it..... Dr. Emma has "customized" doses of HCG and different calories for different people- she also included excercise in her protocol. She also teamed up with a chef who transformed some foods from the original protocol- I wish that they would have given a food list.

The chef mixed veggies, included broccoli, "faux-tatos", and used Panko for breading- there was also a fruit dipping sauce for the panko cooked shrimp. She also mixed roasted veggies-

I missed the first 10 minutes. So, I only caught some part of the talk between the man and the HCG doc.

I saw the food segment part. The chef definitely mixed foods and had a larger variety of foods. The chef lost 35lbs on HCG. She is going to continue at some point to lose the last 10lbs.

A few other things the chef included was pumpkin, and Panko with coconut flakes. I got the impression that she was more about keeping the calories ~500, but fine with mixing and eating within that range than following strict protocol. Good for me!

[mojopage]

Originally Posted by artsyfartsy

I missed the first 10 minutes. So, I only caught some part of the talk between the man and the HCG doc.

I saw the food segment part. The chef definitely mixed foods and had a larger variety of foods. The chef lost 35lbs on HCG. She is going to continue at some point to lose the last 10lbs.

A few other things the chef included was pumpkin, and Panko with coconut flakes. I got the impression that she was more about keeping the calories ~500, but fine with mixing and eating within that range than following strict protocol. Good for me!

Artsy- I agree - I, too got the impression that it was more about calories- wonder if that's true or if it was for the "show"

[buttah]

Haven't watched it yet, but I went to Dr. Emma's website a while back, and if I recall, it was an up to 800 calorie VLC and loading was "optional." I may be remembering wrong, but I just googled her to find it.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by buttah

Haven't watched it yet, but I went to Dr. Emma's website a while back, and if I recall, it was an up to 800 calorie VLC and loading was "optional." I may be remembering wrong, but I just googled her to find it.

She also said that some of her patients go up to 1200. She and the guy next to her were saying that Simeon's had the same diet and regimen for a small petite female as a 300+ lb male. She said that made no sense, so that for the larger types they can go higher in calories. But yes, they said that higher in protein was basically Dr Emma's plan, hence the reason the chef showed a breakfast--something totally not Simeons' protocol

But I was rather pleased to see that someone (I know of others, but at least this was on mainstream tv) has done studies. And that is what Dr Oz is all about---there has to be studies and research. His reason to do this show at all. I bet that the Chef's husband being a close friend/colleague didn't hurt either

[buttah]

Overall, was it positive, Dawn? Will it get some of my friends off my back? BTW, I would think the smaller types (closer to goal) would need more calories. At least that jives with all the Leptin research in recent years. If only they'd really study this thing.

[dawnyama]

buttah--yes it was very positive!!!! He had the chef on and she said it was so much more than the pounds, it was the inches!!! And she was going to be on another round (after having done 2 rounds already and she was tiny !!) to get back to high school weight because she knew she could do it. It was great for those last 10 lbs!!! So again, he endorsed it!!! He did last year as well, but only the Rx. Didn't want anyone doing the 500 calories and didn't want anyone doing it without a doctor's supervision (I am guessing a disclaimer since you have to say that on tv!!) . But yes, very positive. The ladies on the show were a bit larger for having lost 55 lbs and maintaining on 1500 calories--they looked like me at my start weight and not at the end of their journey. But the goal for them was health and not being skinny, like me! But to have them say they were maintaining their end weight at 1500 calories......so not what I wanted to hear. I think that is too few calories for them. Oh well. I highly suggest you look at his segment on it. The chef butchered the meals though. She made broccoli, cauliflower, had chicken rolled in panko breadcrumbs. And one of her desserts (I am assuming it was to be a fruit?) was a pumpkin mousse type thing. With coconut whipped cream!!!! Oh my what have they done!!! But it is impressive. And at least out in the mainstream now. Maybe we CAN have broccoli and cauliflower now and it be considered protocol LOL. That would be great!!!

[buttah]

It's funny, because, and I realize this may be the wrong forum to say this, but I have recently gotten my hands on one of the 800 calorie protocols - I've been really curious what's on them and I stumbled upon Sonia E. Russell's FB (she's an RN and HCG "coach" who promotes an 800 calorie protocol via her ebook). I read the ebook, and it's very strict, clear, and very, for lack of a better word... Simeons'y.

Additives of every kind are discouraged, there is no melba/grissini (completely empty calories anyway, if you ask me!), but she adds an egg white breakfast (whites of 3 eggs), and suggest 4 oz of protein for lunch and dinner, plus an extra fruit (optional) as long as you're not pre-diabetic or insulin sensitive. But most important, it's not really 800 calories - it's more like UP TO 800 calories. And her book is filled with stories of people who did 2-4 rounds w/ 500 calories and had same or better results (fat loss, lbs lost or both) with the extra protein/calfories.

She does allow a few other "green" veggies, but doesn't want them mixed... but allows mixing of things she calls "water veggies" like cukes, celery, lettuce or adding them in small amounts to the main veggie. I'm leaving out stuff, but you get the idea. Like I said, it's very Simeons-ish, and she claims to have tested it with 100's of patients at the clinic she's associated with.

I suspect from what I read that this is similar to Dr. Emma's "protocol," and I've actually said to myself... if I do this again, I'm going to try it this way. I just won't tell my clinic!!! BUT... only if I were still hungry on 500 calories + RX. If I weren't, trusting the HS, i would do 500 or less. It actually seems way less "rogue" to me than what I read about in the "rogue" threads.

[dawnyama]

I agree buttah. For some reason broccoli and cauliflower seem so much heavier than the original protocol veggies, but I could do with the egg whites for breakfast. That would be heaven. And I didn't notice any fruit on the plan the chef was talking about. It could be that the sauce she used had the juice in it? I didn't pay attention. The recipes are on the Dr oz site. So we have to go there to see what they actually are. But the gist of the whole thing was the number of calories. Although the chef did touch on the "no oil/no fat" thing. I agree, if you are not hungry then why add in extra calories? But if you are hungry.....no need to be going hungry.

[buttah]

Dawn, on Sonia Russell's plan (via ebook) there is broccoli, but no cauliflower. She only added a few green veggies (like green zucchini). The fat is still zero (other than what you can't get off your meat), but she allows people to use a fraction of oil spray (then wipe it right back off the pan) to cook stuff if necessary for the pan. I did that once or twice anyway, if it was something that sticks terribly.

Pumpkin and panko seem very non-Simeons'y to me, but I can't wait to watch it!

[dawnyama]

I had zucchini once on plan and it was fabulous!! I was out at a restaurant and it was the best choice they had. I lost the next day too. But I am sure they did use oils/butter to cook it. I would love to add THAT in. But not the pumpkin or broccoli cauliflower, those just seem wrong to me. But I think others have done well with them. Maybe, maybe I can try.....I mean I did try the zucchini.

[walkingwoman]

i liked the show today. I'm gonna have to go look at those recipes for potential future reference. I'm doing a boring round for me. I don't want food on the brain so want to steer clear of making too many recipes

[C'Marie]

I went and looked for the recipe for the coconut shrimp - my favorite! Seriously, I would be all over that (not in P2) except for the wheat Panko. So I'd have to substitute something different for that. Also, in the coconut mash recipe they are using fat-free cream cheese and fat-free greek yogurt. On the recipes, some they list the calories but not the serving size - such as a whole head of cauli and such but then saying calories 47? that can't be right.
(here it is cut n pasted -
Cauliflower Mash
2 oz of non-fat cream cheese
2 tbsp non-fat Greek yogurt
Butter flavoring
Large head of cauliflower
1/4 cup skim milk
1 tbsp parmesan
Sea salt and pepper)

However, I have to say that I have gone a little "rogue" this time - my 8th round. I do completely observe the 500 calories - and no fat - but I have added mushrooms once or twice, tuna a few times, non-fat Greek yogurt several times, whey protein powder, sf pickles, non-fat hotdogs both beef and turkey, sf jello, and since I've gone wheat-free I use those super thin rice crackers on a few occasions. I still follow the proportions of protein-vegs-fruit-minimal starch (like 24 calories of those rice crackers). I use the regular protocol as a base and then just sub in something here or there and not every single day, either.

Who knows if it will end up a bust or not, but so far I seem to be losing at approximately the same rate. If I could add fat-free cream cheese also that would be DA BOMB but one of the things that is a big negative with all those kinds of fat-free things - way too many gumbs and chemicals for my liking. I have always considered P2 as a cleanse, and therefore I have always been very chemical free. So this time I lightened up a bit on myself and went somewhat rogue, but I don't want to go crazy with all the extras or substitutes.

[dawnyama]

What I didn't like were the "real life" folks. One lady got up and said that she lost 55 lbs 2 years ago and was maintaining "ON 1500 CALORIES" since. OMG!!! She still looked mightily larger than me (and could stand to be on another round or 2) and was eating much fewer calories than me???!! Maybe that is why I won't stay at my goal LDW. I want to eat more than that. Next time I do P2, I will have this in mind. I am not sure what she is eating for those 1500 calories--could be that she is not doing Low Carb, or JUDDD or any other plan. But she is maintaining, so that is the point--the weight lost is staying off if done correctly. The healthy vs skinny. That is the most important part for Dr Oz I believe----he says the weight can be kept off. On any other diet, that is hard to do.

Definitely an eye opener for me!!!

[Sleepy]

Originally Posted by buttah

It's funny, because, and I realize this may be the wrong forum to say this, but I have recently gotten my hands on one of the 800 calorie protocols - I've been really curious what's on them and I stumbled upon Sonia E. Russell's FB (she's an RN and HCG "coach" who promotes an 800 calorie protocol via her ebook). I read the ebook, and it's very strict, clear, and very, for lack of a better word... Simeons'y.

Additives of every kind are discouraged, there is no melba/grissini (completely empty calories anyway, if you ask me!), but she adds an egg white breakfast (whites of 3 eggs), and suggest 4 oz of protein for lunch and dinner, plus an extra fruit (optional) as long as you're not pre-diabetic or insulin sensitive. But most important, it's not really 800 calories - it's more like UP TO 800 calories. And her book is filled with stories of people who did 2-4 rounds w/ 500 calories and had same or better results (fat loss, lbs lost or both) with the extra protein/calfories.

She does allow a few other "green" veggies, but doesn't want them mixed... but allows mixing of things she calls "water veggies" like cukes, celery, lettuce or adding them in small amounts to the main veggie. I'm leaving out stuff, but you get the idea. Like I said, it's very Simeons-ish, and she claims to have tested it with 100's of patients at the clinic she's associated with.

I suspect from what I read that this is similar to Dr. Emma's "protocol," and I've actually said to myself... if I do this again, I'm going to try it this way. I just won't tell my clinic!!! BUT... only if I were still hungry on 500 calories + RX. If I weren't, trusting the HS, i would do 500 or less. It actually seems way less "rogue" to me than what I read about in the "rogue" threads.

this is the plan i follow , lost 100 lbs and have kept it off
you can also have greek yogurt instead of the egg white for breakfast
you can have zucchini, green beans, broccoli etc
its much more managable

i liked Dr Emma on the show yesterday, her plan seems similiar and i agree with her the the Simeons protocol was written so long ago for some it needs to be adjusted
i dont give up my exercise and actually feel better doing it while on hcg so i love that i have a little breakfast after that to start my day

i didnt really understand the receipes at the end (the panko shrimp) etc
the first meal they showed was what Dr Emma said to eat ~pretty much protocol stuff
the second meal was a revised meal with about the same amount of calories
i didnt get whether she said thats what she ate or thats what she eats now i didnt get it cuz the egg whites had ham in them, pumpkin mousse for dessert ??? that would certainly be awesome

[buttah]

Good to hear, Sleepy!!!

And yes, I forgot to mention the subs for the breakfast egg white (4 oz 0% GY or 4 oz. 4% low sodium cottage cheese in the 2nd edition of her book) Sonia Russell's plan allows. I wrote everything down, just in case... I do one more round.

Sometimes Dr. Oz (like Oprah before him) is not the best interviewer when he's rushed for time. I still haven't watched, but if that recipe seemed not to be on Dr. Emma's protocol, he should have asked... or she should have explained! Oh well.

[buttah]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

What I didn't like were the "real life" folks. One lady got up and said that she lost 55 lbs 2 years ago and was maintaining "ON 1500 CALORIES" since. OMG!!! She still looked mightily larger than me (and could stand to be on another round or 2) and was eating much fewer calories than me???!! Maybe that is why I won't stay at my goal LDW. I want to eat more than that. Next time I do P2, I will have this in mind. I am not sure what she is eating for those 1500 calories--could be that she is not doing Low Carb, or JUDDD or any other plan. But she is maintaining, so that is the point--the weight lost is staying off if done correctly. The healthy vs skinny. That is the most important part for Dr Oz I believe----he says the weight can be kept off. On any other diet, that is hard to do.

Definitely an eye opener for me!!!

Well, I have always suspected that many former HCGers, and in fact maintainers in general, think they "should" be allowed to eat more than they really can, especially women... especially over 40. For me, unless I'm working out regularly, the number seems to be pretty close to 1500 - 1600, max. Perhaps bit more if it's very low carb. It is what it is. You can listen to some calculator (which I personally consider silly) or you can listen to your body!

[Reddy]

Wow I wish I would have seen this but thank you all for filling us in on what it was all about.

LIke Buttah, I'd like to be able to tell some of the Naysayers that it has been endorsed by Dr. Oz. Especially my parents who are overly concerned with me doing this diet (even though they are so thrilled that i lost the weight)

I have to agree that I think that if you keep the calories in the same general range that a few other foods here and there or mixing SHOULDN'T really make a huge difference in the loss but I've always been a protocol person just b/c I'm afraid to mess with any potential losses.

Id LOVE to add Broccoli or Green Beans into my veggie mix.

I don't like to get too crazy with recipes, I like to keep things simple but I'm super tired of eating asparagus, Cabbage and Celery (which is really the only allowed veggies I eat)

I wonder if I could find this episode to watch somewhere online?

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by buttah

Well, I have always suspected that many former HCGers, and in fact maintainers in general, think they "should" be allowed to eat more than they really can, especially women... especially over 40. For me, unless I'm working out regularly, the number seems to be pretty close to 1500 - 1600, max. Perhaps bit more if it's very low carb. It is what it is. You can listen to some calculator (which I personally consider silly) or you can listen to your body!

I am so resisting the counting calories thing. That is why I am kicking and screaming. But if it is the only way to eat after getting to goal.........I may just kick and scream my way to skinny I told it takes me a few postings to get things to sink in I mean a few years of postings, but it eventually sinks in I may just have to live on 1500 calories forever. I can live with that--I mean I am petite and don't want to outeat my man (or 16 yr old son) anymore.