Grapefruit vs Apple

[2bfitb440]

Has anyone notice better losses related to which fruit they eat? I would prefer to skip the fruit but I want to follow protocol. I'm dong the grapefruit only. Might try some apples but for some reason worried about the impact. (I was on Atkins so long that fruit is scary).

[heahyou00]

I have tried using fruit and not using fruit and my losses have been the same, dont think it really matters, but lately I have been eating just 1 serving of my fruit per day, I eat an apple in the afternoon everyday because I get hungry in between lunch and dinner.

[buttah]

Apples, which I always used to think made me hungry, actually curbed my hunger far better than grapefruit. Perhaps because they have more calories - I don't know. Losses weren't any different.

[dawnyama]

Yeah, it is really comparing apples to oranges LOL. I have tried to include different fruits only because I thought they had different properties that we needed on protocol. Dr Simeons really did his research and included every food item for a reason, not because he was being nilly willy or punishing us. Then I heard Dr Oz talk about citrus fruits burning fats and that apples are really good for the fiber they have (I believe it is pectin). Both are good for varying reasons and you SHOULD include a variety. I am 13 year old Atkins girl and to have an apple nearly killed me, but I am in love with them once again. Do not fear the apple!!! Have them!!! You will do well. I also have the strawberries, but you already know those are low carb. Again, they have their own properties that are great for P2 and beyond!!!!

[2bfitb440]

Thanks for the feedback Dawnyma, Buttah, and Heahyou! I had my first apple last night. Funny, but my wieght stayed the same today, no gain, no loss. I'm not thinking it's the apple though. Just my body catching up. I'm on day 11 and lost 9 pounds. (I didn't really gain loading as I didn't do a great job of loading but def ate much more high fat food).

What I didn't know though Dawn is that Dr. Simeons did work hard to determine which foods work and don't work. It always creeps into my head, Does it really need to be THIS restrictive? Like eating broccoli wouldn't be just as good as cabbage??? Good to hear things were purposely not included.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by 2bfitb440

Thanks for the feedback Dawnyma, Buttah, and Heahyou! I had my first apple last night. Funny, but my wieght stayed the same today, no gain, no loss. I'm not thinking it's the apple though. Just my body catching up. I'm on day 11 and lost 9 pounds. (I didn't really gain loading as I didn't do a great job of loading but def ate much more high fat food).

What I didn't know though Dawn is that Dr. Simeons did work hard to determine which foods work and don't work. It always creeps into my head, Does it really need to be THIS restrictive? Like eating broccoli wouldn't be just as good as cabbage??? Good to hear things were purposely not included.

He researched this for years and years. I think it is best to stick to what he said works. Who am I to "guess" what he would say nowadays? I hate it when others start adding in things because "he was basing his research on old science". What we are learning now is that the science is catching up TO HIM. Not he is behind the times. He was way ahead of the times. But sometimes I have to hold my tongue, as I have been known here as the food police. Passionate about that man I am hcg is wonderful and I love Dr S for bringing it to light.

[2bfitb440]

LOL... I know what you mean. I feel that way about Dr. Atkins!

[Felina]

I have to agree with Dawn. As one blogger put it, lets say you ask me for a recipe, say, my grandmothers apple pie and I give it to you. The pie shell calls for white flour and you substitute it for wheat. The apples should be green Granny Smith, but you substitute them for pears. Are you really making my grandmothers apple pie?

The point is the protocol is the way it should be as written by Simeon. It's a protocol, not a diet. If you don't follow it as written, you probably will not get the results that you could have because you are not really following Simeon's protocol.

[2bfitb440]

Felina,

I agree! I was comparing the allowable fruits.... Grapefruit just feels more "diety" LOL.

[Felina]

Originally Posted by 2bfitb440

Felina,

I agree! I was comparing the allowable fruits.... Grapefruit just feels more "diety" LOL.

Oh, that's right, you were. I guess I just got off on a tangent because I'm the one that tries to reason that I can have something similar to a protocol food. Lol.

When I'm doing low carb I stay away from citrus and apples, but on HCG I have them both and still stay in ketosis so no harm there.

Have you guys noticed how excellent the navel oranges are right now? I think it's the season for them, at least here in Ca. They are so delicious and sweet. I try to savor my one orange and make it last. It's the best thing on the protocol right now. When I was loading my local Sprouts had them five lbs for $1 so I ate a ton of them and also made fresh juice. Yumm.

[2bfitb440]

Felina,

Do you test for ketosis on hcg? I never thought of that because with the melba and fruit I thought maybe we wouldn't go into ketosis...

[Felina]

I do test for ketosis because it shows that there are ketones (fat) in my urine. For me it's just nice to know that my body has adapted to burning fat.

I always have my Melba/grassini too. I know that some of us skip the fruit and grassini. When I'm off protocol I eat low carb and I don't have apples, citrus or wheat , so since I can have them now and still be in ketosis, I make sure that I eat them every day.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Felina

Oh, that's right, you were. I guess I just got off on a tangent because I'm the one that tries to reason that I can have something similar to a protocol food. Lol.

When I'm doing low carb I stay away from citrus and apples, but on HCG I have them both and still stay in ketosis so no harm there.

Have you guys noticed how excellent the navel oranges are right now? I think it's the season for them, at least here in Ca. They are so delicious and sweet. I try to savor my one orange and make it last. It's the best thing on the protocol right now. When I was loading my local Sprouts had them five lbs for $1 so I ate a ton of them and also made fresh juice. Yumm.

I am so sorry to confuse it was me who brought up going off protocol. That is what I love about this plan. I can have fruit again I am never one to miss my fruit and I don't feel that skipping it means bigger losses. I also don't know of one that is better than another--I have heard that you can stall with some of them. Some don't like oranges because of the sugar content. I personally don't do the oranges, but I do the other fruits. And love them

[Kateenie]

RE: old science vs new science.

If you read Pounds and Inches, Dr. S's biggest hope is that someone will take his research and test it appropriately in a laboratory setting, because he was not able to. He practically BEGS someone to do it. It is not blasphemy against him to realize that new science has proven other angles to the success of HCG, it is PROGRESS. I highly doubt he would be offended by the new understanding of leptin and other "new science."

Fearing new science is dangerous. Maybe we should all get our ailments treated by attaching leaches to our body? Progress is positive and I strongly feel he would have encouraged it. He had very little at his disposal, other than observation and a scale, but wished he had more.

I think it is extremely important to point out that, again according to P&I, he intended this to be a "hormonal therapy" as a cure for obesity, NOT A DIET. He expected people to follow the protocol strictly, stabilize, and live the rest of their lives free of obesity. The ease of access to this treatment has certainly morphed into something entirely different than what he intended, funded by the weight loss industry.

Now, instead of it being a hormonal "cure" for obesity, we use it as a tool to enable ourselves to binge in P3 or P4 without the consequence of obesity, because we can always do another P2. What must that do to us hormonally, since this is an actual hormonal treatment? Scary stuff, not to be taken lightly.

But, again, the WL industry is flooding us with quick weight loss claims. Unfortunately, with HCG the claims are TRUE, but we are abusing this protocol we all so adamantly defend.

Since I don't fully understand the old or new science (even though I have read BOTH), I probably should leave the opinions up to the experts, whoever they are.

But, I truly believe Dr. S. would be encouraged by the new science, not offended by it, scientist that he was.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Kateenie

RE: old science vs new science.

If you read Pounds and Inches, Dr. S's biggest hope is that someone will take his research and test it appropriately in a laboratory setting, because he was not able to. He practically BEGS someone to do it. It is not blasphemy against him to realize that new science has proven other angles to the success of HCG, it is PROGRESS. I highly doubt he would be offended by the new understanding of leptin and other "new science."

Fearing new science is dangerous. Maybe we should all get our ailments treated by attaching leaches to our body? Progress is positive and I strongly feel he would have encouraged it. He had very little at his disposal, other than observation and a scale, but wished he had more.

I think it is extremely important to point out that, again according to P&I, he intended this to be a "hormonal therapy" as a cure for obesity, NOT A DIET. He expected people to follow the protocol strictly, stabilize, and live the rest of their lives free of obesity. The ease of access to this treatment has certainly morphed into something entirely different than what he intended, funded by the weight loss industry.

Now, instead of it being a hormonal "cure" for obesity, we use it as a tool to enable ourselves to binge in P3 or P4 without the consequence of obesity, because we can always do another P2. What must that do to us hormonally, since this is an actual hormonal treatment? Scary stuff, not to be taken lightly.

But, again, the WL industry is flooding us with quick weight loss claims. Unfortunately, with HCG the claims are TRUE, but we are abusing this protocol we all so adamantly defend.

Since I don't fully understand the old or new science (even though I have read BOTH), I probably should leave the opinions up to the experts, whoever they are.

But, I truly believe Dr. S. would be encouraged by the new science, not offended by it, scientist that he was.

Never said he would be offended by it. I know he wanted someone to carry the torch when he passed. He didn't want it to die out. I think that unless something is tested, and tested by "those with authority" , whoever they may be , we should not be doing the tweaking. So I am not saying that the science has changed---just our understanding of it has changed. I for one would love for this to work with the foods I love, but I know that eating a lb of chocolate a day won't work Wish it would but I know it won't . Don't want to find out what I can get away with either, well other than some stuff in my coffee so I can be civil around people while in P2

[Felina]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Never said he would be offended by it. I know he wanted someone to carry the torch when he passed. He didn't want it to die out. I think that unless something is tested, and tested by "those with authority" , whoever they may be , we should not be doing the tweaking. So I am not saying that the science has changed---just our understanding of it has changed. I for one would love for this to work with the foods I love, but I know that eating a lb of chocolate a day won't work Wish it would but I know it won't . Don't want to find out what I can get away with either, well other than some stuff in my coffee so I can be civil around people while in P2

I agree. I know that the protocol works when followed properly. I've also tried to do some rogue things. If I'm serious about getting this weight off I'll stick with what I know works.

I agree with Robin Woodall's theory that hCG stimulates leptin and that's is why it works. It's really interesting to research and learn about it. Our fat cells actually contain several hormones so who knows what is all at work. I know I don't but I am certain we will continue to receive enlightenment as more information becomes available

[2bfitb440]

Originally Posted by Kateenie

RE: old science vs new science.

If you read Pounds and Inches, Dr. S's biggest hope is that someone will take his research and test it appropriately in a laboratory setting, because he was not able to. He practically BEGS someone to do it. It is not blasphemy against him to realize that new science has proven other angles to the success of HCG, it is PROGRESS. I highly doubt he would be offended by the new understanding of leptin and other "new science."

Fearing new science is dangerous. Maybe we should all get our ailments treated by attaching leaches to our body? Progress is positive and I strongly feel he would have encouraged it. He had very little at his disposal, other than observation and a scale, but wished he had more.

I think it is extremely important to point out that, again according to P&I, he intended this to be a "hormonal therapy" as a cure for obesity, NOT A DIET. He expected people to follow the protocol strictly, stabilize, and live the rest of their lives free of obesity. The ease of access to this treatment has certainly morphed into something entirely different than what he intended, funded by the weight loss industry.

Now, instead of it being a hormonal "cure" for obesity, we use it as a tool to enable ourselves to binge in P3 or P4 without the consequence of obesity, because we can always do another P2. What must that do to us hormonally, since this is an actual hormonal treatment? Scary stuff, not to be taken lightly.

But, again, the WL industry is flooding us with quick weight loss claims. Unfortunately, with HCG the claims are TRUE, but we are abusing this protocol we all so adamantly defend.

Since I don't fully understand the old or new science (even though I have read BOTH), I probably should leave the opinions up to the experts, whoever they are.

But, I truly believe Dr. S. would be encouraged by the new science, not offended by it, scientist that he was.

You make some good points. This time for me it's all about doing it right and the impact that has on the hormones to "fix" my body's craving to be fat. I've figured out that HCG isn't any faster than any other good program. Sure we shed the lbs quickly at first, but if you do it right... Let's say I do a 21 day round and lose 14 lbs. Then I do 3 weeks of P3 maintaining my weight. That's a total of 6 weeks, which is pretty close to what a good diet like Atkins will do in that amount of time... And now it's time to load again... I guess doing a longer round would make an impact but I think the losses do slow down there too.

For sure, the initial appeal was the quick fix that I thought I would get when I did my first round in March... But, I've matured. LOL